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(NBC News)   One does not simply walk into Easter Island, unless of course you're one of the 5-ton, stone statues   (science.nbcnews.com) divider line 37
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2013-06-09 11:24:25 AM
As a girl with no upper body strength, I used to walk all kinds of heavy furniture from one end of my college apartments to the other.  So no surprises here.  Though it certainly makes more sense that the stone was simply carved into large cylinders and rolled down the mountainside, then stood upright and carved in place.
 
2013-06-09 11:35:44 AM
Yeah, that's how they did it, let's go with this one.

/idiots
 
2013-06-09 11:43:52 AM

desertmouse: As a girl with no upper body strength, I used to walk all kinds of heavy furniture from one end of my college apartments to the other.  So no surprises here.  Though it certainly makes more sense that the stone was simply carved into large cylinders and rolled down the mountainside, then stood upright and carved in place.


That would seem like a smart way to do it to me as well, but the Moai were actually carved in the quarry at the Rano Raraku crater.  About half of them, in various stages of completion, are still in the quarry.


Godscrack: Yeah, that's how they did it, let's go with this one.

/idiots


I'm not yet convinced that Lipo is correct, but he is most definitely not an idiot.  He's one of the smartest people I have ever met.  His hypothesis is very plausible.
 
2013-06-09 11:43:58 AM
Being stoned gives you super strength.
 
2013-06-09 03:02:13 PM
bbsimg.ngfiles.com

Well, they couldn't fit through the door, so they went for a stroll on the beach and fell asleep as the tide came in
 
2013-06-09 03:18:34 PM
Probably had help from Vic Viper. And his Dominion Rod.
 
2013-06-09 03:21:47 PM
img600.imageshack.us
 
2013-06-09 03:25:31 PM
i.imgur.com

Shh. No one tell Tia or NBC about the Intarwebs, let's see their reaction when they find out.
 
2013-06-09 03:41:19 PM
They landed on Easter Island after coming to Earth from space.  Duh.

images2.wikia.nocookie.net

But they seem to have lost their Cheerio death beams.
 
2013-06-09 03:45:02 PM

Godscrack: Yeah, that's how they did it, let's go with this one.

/idiots




Your dismissiveness implies that you feel there is an obvious answer that the researchers have missed or are ignoring?
 
2013-06-09 04:00:47 PM

RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 837x672]

Shh. No one tell Tia or NBC about the Intarwebs, let's see their reaction when they find out.


What is your point here? I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say.
 
2013-06-09 04:06:22 PM
www.redmeat.com

/figured Papa Moai should make an obligatory appearance
 
2013-06-09 04:07:36 PM

Repo Man: Godscrack: Yeah, that's how they did it, let's go with this one.
/idiots

Your dismissiveness implies that you feel there is an obvious answer that the researchers have missed or are ignoring?


He's not saying it was aliens.
But it was aliens.
 
2013-06-09 04:13:18 PM
An alternative explanation

i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-09 04:30:57 PM

Donnchadha: RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 837x672]

Shh. No one tell Tia or NBC about the Intarwebs, let's see their reaction when they find out.

What is your point here? I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say.


This is old news. The article was published in Oct and we read all about it even here on Fark.

Seems to me it's pretty likely and would explain all the broken and abandoned statues all up and down the main road.
 
2013-06-09 04:32:49 PM

Donnchadha: RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 837x672]

Shh. No one tell Tia or NBC about the Intarwebs, let's see their reaction when they find out.

What is your point here? I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say.


Mainly old news meme, since the rocking moai and the controversy has been discussed for a year now, but since you asked, it's literally hitler worse than that. Check out this link:

http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/06/19/12302614-how-easter-is la nds-statues-walked?lite

i.imgur.com

So a year ago, NBC reported this, using a picture from the same "roll of film", correctly captioning it as Hawaii. A year later, pretty much identical story, but this time

i.imgur.com


It's as if Tia Ghose and NBC doesn't read their own stories, or can't understand them, or somehow don't have an Internet in their corner of NBC.

HTH
 
2013-06-09 04:54:36 PM
"It goes from something you can't imagine moving at all, to kind of dancing down the road," Lipo told LiveScience.

OK, well that does it for me. LiveScience sucks. It's almost like the Cracked version of a science website.

As far as the whole "walking" goes... So they got one (1) statue to move 100 yards, must be a grand slam, huh? Seriously, I'm more willing to believe that aliens put the things into place than that they got this shiat to work as many times as it would have taken.
 
2013-06-09 05:00:11 PM
FTFA: What's more, Rapa Nui's prepared roads were rough and uneven, and the statues would have been moved over hilly terrain, said Christopher Stevenson, an archaeologist at Virginia Commonwealth University, who was not involved in Lipo's study.

By contrast, "in the NOVA exercise it was like an airport runway," Stevenson said.


I think this is probably what we need to know about the results of this study. Possible, but probably pretty unlikely
 
2013-06-09 05:06:32 PM

Mikey1969: "It goes from something you can't imagine moving at all, to kind of dancing down the road," Lipo told LiveScience.

OK, well that does it for me. LiveScience sucks. It's almost like the Cracked version of a science website.

As far as the whole "walking" goes... So they got one (1) statue to move 100 yards, must be a grand slam, huh? Seriously, I'm more willing to believe that aliens put the things into place than that they got this shiat to work as many times as it would have taken.


I'd recommend you read the J. Archaeological Science article before dismissing the research on the grounds that Live Science interviewed the author.  It's actually a very intriguing hypothesis.  As I said above, I'm not entirely convinced that this was  THE way it was done, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if at least some of them were moved this way.  It's consistent with the evidence at least.
 
2013-06-09 05:07:01 PM

RoyBatty: It's as if Tia Ghose and NBC doesn't read their own stories, or can't understand them, or somehow don't have an Internet in their corner of NBC.


Holy fark, you need to sue these people into oblivion for the unspeakable, unforgiveable horrorible crime they've done to you.  I am amazed that you even survived!
 
2013-06-09 05:10:18 PM
Recent excavations show the Easter Island statues are a lot taller than originally thought, and the different proportions would make it a lot harder to "walk" the statues as described in subby's article.

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/easter-island-statues-bodies.shtml
 
2013-06-09 05:18:23 PM

aerojockey: RoyBatty: It's as if Tia Ghose and NBC doesn't read their own stories, or can't understand them, or somehow don't have an Internet in their corner of NBC.

Holy fark, you need to sue these people into oblivion for the unspeakable, unforgiveable horrorible crime they've done to you.  I am amazed that you even survived!


Thanks, I'm glad someone understands.
 
2013-06-09 05:20:49 PM

FloydA: I'd recommend you read the J. Archaeological Science article before dismissing the research on the grounds that Live Science interviewed the author.  It's actually a very intriguing hypothesis.


I just think 40 minutes with no falls does not an island filled with almost 900 successful statue erections(I said 'erection'...) make. I think it's an interesting theory, but I would bet that for every statue successfully placed, there would be 6 or 7 that fell and broke, rolled down a hill, ended up in the water, sank too deep into the ground to be worth recovering, etc... To me, there seems to be too much margin for error this way, especially with people on the ends of ropes, nobody there to keep the thing from going just that little bit too far.

Otherwise, a new theory is always worth listening to, I just think this one is a little bit weak when the possible failures are considered.
 
2013-06-09 05:35:19 PM

RoyBatty: Donnchadha: RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 837x672]

Shh. No one tell Tia or NBC about the Intarwebs, let's see their reaction when they find out.

What is your point here? I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say.

Mainly old news meme, since the rocking moai and the controversy has been discussed for a year now, but since you asked, it's literally hitler worse than that. Check out this link:

http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/06/19/12302614-how-easter-is la nds-statues-walked?lite

[i.imgur.com image 814x913]

So a year ago, NBC reported this, using a picture from the same "roll of film", correctly captioning it as Hawaii. A year later, pretty much identical story, but this time

[i.imgur.com image 489x294]


It's as if Tia Ghose and NBC doesn't read their own stories, or can't understand them, or somehow don't have an Internet in their corner of NBC.

HTH


Ah, okay. Although, just to play Devil's Advocate for a while ... the "new" story cites that the October 2012 story is now facing "controversy" (whatever that means), said the authors published a "published a more thorough justification in the June issue of the Journal of Archaeological Science", which makes it more of a "Followup" story than anything. However, the background of the article is pretty much the same as the first, so there's a lot of overlap -- especially for a press release intended for a non-expert audience.

Secondly, the second caption reads "An Easter Island statue" not "A statue on Easter Island". It could be reasonably inferred that the statue is reminiscent of those on Easter Island without actually being ON Easter Island -- especially since the article itself describes the replica statue experiment as taking place on Hawaii.
 
2013-06-09 05:50:58 PM

TheShadow: Recent excavations show the Easter Island statues are a lot taller than originally thought, and the different proportions would make it a lot harder to "walk" the statues as described in subby's article.

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/easter-island-statues-bodies.shtml


I don't want you to remain under a false impression.  The cement replica that Lipo's team are moving down the road is as large as the ones in your link.   It's long been known that the "heads" are only part of the statues, which also include the torso, and often a "pukao" or "topknot" of a different type of stone.  The replica has the same form as the statues in your link; that form does not interfere with moving them.
 
2013-06-09 06:04:34 PM
Mikey1969:

I just think 40 minutes with no falls does not an island filled with almost 900 successful statue erections(I said 'erection'...) make. I think it's an interesting theory, but I would bet that for every statue successfully placed, there would be 6 or 7 that fell and broke, rolled down a hill, ended up in the water, sank too deep into the ground to be worth recovering, etc... To me, there seems to be too much margin for error this way, especially with people on the ends of ropes, nobody there to keep the thing from going just that little bit too far.

Otherwise, a new theory is always worth listening to, I just think this one is a little bit weak when the possible failures are considered.



Well, there are a bunch of abandoned ones, there are a bunch of them sunk into the ground, and there are some broken ones.  I don't suppose they would have done it with "nobody there to keep the thing from going too far."  If they were smart enough to make the things, and smart enough to move them, they'd have been smart enough to have a guy standing in front shouting "left team pull, now right team pull, etc.  Maybe playing a drum or what have you.

But precisely how they moved the statues is only really important in the context of the discussion on environmental collapse and population size.  The old story was that Rapa Nui was colonized by a huge population, and that they cut down all the trees just to move the Moai, and then suffered a massive population decline.  The "support" for that hypothesis was the absence of trees and the presence of the Moai, but it has always been based on an assumption that the Polynesians were "irresponsible" and deliberately used up the trees.

Lipo's research is suggesting that we don't necessarily have to assume "reckless" use of the environment to account for the evidence.  By showing that the Moai could have been moved in a different way (or perhaps in several different ways), this research suggests that the deforestation of the island might have been due to rats eating the seeds of the palm trees faster than the trees could replenish themselves.  No matter how responsibly the Islanders had behaved, the island would have ended up deforested.  So we don't have to reduce the archaeology of Rapa Nui to a simple "morality play" or cautionary tale about "mistreating the environment," we can look at more interesting questions.

In short "how did they move the Moai?" is not really the main topic of interest; it's important only insofar as it helps us to answer other questions and dispel old myths.

But don't just take my word for it, read the JAS article.
 
2013-06-09 06:07:01 PM
Ah, okay. Although, just to play Devil's Advocate for a while ... the "new" story cites that the October 2012 story is now facing "controversy" (whatever that means), said the authors published a "published a more thorough justification in the June issue of the Journal of Archaeological Science", which makes it more of a "Followup" story than anything. However, the background of the article is pretty much the same as the first, so there's a lot of overlap -- especially for a press release intended for a non-expert audience.

I think this is right, and the headlines of both the story here and at nbc add to that confusion that the actual "news" is that a paper was published.

Secondly, the second caption reads "An Easter Island statue" not "A statue on Easter Island". It could be reasonably inferred that the statue is reminiscent of those on Easter Island without actually being ON Easter Island -- especially since the article itself describes the replica statue experiment as taking place on Hawaii.

I'm not a journalist, but I think that was a bad caption. I think most people looking at it, without knowing the background would infer it was "An Easter Island statue", that is, "A statue ON Easter Island".

But whatever. There are far more interesting threads on FARK for us to either do battle over or lock arms and do battle with others over. The war continues while we drown ourselves in booze. Or me at least.
 
2013-06-09 06:22:14 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: /figured Papa Moai should make an obligatory appearance


Thank you.
 
2013-06-09 06:36:46 PM
It sounds possible, but is there any evidence to suggest that's actually how it was done? There are plenty of ways they could have theoretically moved the statues.
 
2013-06-09 07:03:49 PM
I like how the researchers claim the theory as their own, when the natives of the island said this was how it was done.
 
2013-06-09 07:14:59 PM

Donnchadha: [bbsimg.ngfiles.com image 359x272]

Well, they couldn't fit through the door, so they went for a stroll on the beach and fell asleep as the tide came in


No matter how old I get, the scene with that kid trying to do a sit-up will leave me a broken, laughing man.
 
2013-06-09 09:32:01 PM

Ambitwistor: [img600.imageshack.us image 400x400]


Came for this reference....surprised that it took 7 posts.
 
2013-06-10 01:50:12 AM

Mikey1969: FloydA: I'd recommend you read the J. Archaeological Science article before dismissing the research on the grounds that Live Science interviewed the author.  It's actually a very intriguing hypothesis.

I just think 40 minutes with no falls does not an island filled with almost 900 successful statue erections(I said 'erection'...) make. I think it's an interesting theory, but I would bet that for every statue successfully placed, there would be 6 or 7 that fell and broke, rolled down a hill, ended up in the water, sank too deep into the ground to be worth recovering, etc... To me, there seems to be too much margin for error this way, especially with people on the ends of ropes, nobody there to keep the thing from going just that little bit too far.

Otherwise, a new theory is always worth listening to, I just think this one is a little bit weak when the possible failures are considered.


... and these statues, lad, are the strongest ones on the island.
 
2013-06-10 09:01:46 AM
I have always wanted to go to Easter Island.

Even if this particular theory doesn't seem plausible to some people, I still think that it's always worth looking into. Who knows, maybe by trying out one theory, something could go not according to plan which would lead them to a whole new theory all together.
 
2013-06-10 02:00:21 PM
www.farmland.org
Pennsylvania was once covered by vast forests until settlers arrived several hundred years ago. These settlers created mass deforestation in order to create the mysterious silver monoliths you see in the picture above. Because of this, most of the Pennsylvania settlers died off, leaving us with the tiny population of Pennsylvanians we have today. It is a sad tale of land mismanagement.
 
2013-06-10 03:28:17 PM

amindtat: [www.farmland.org image 300x199]
Pennsylvania was once covered by vast forests until settlers arrived several hundred years ago. These settlers created mass deforestation in order to create the mysterious silver monoliths you see in the picture above. Because of this, most of the Pennsylvania settlers died off, leaving us with the tiny population of Pennsylvanians we have today. It is a sad tale of land mismanagement.


Heh heh.  If you haven't read it, check out Motel of the Mysteries by David Macaulay.
 
2013-06-10 07:23:46 PM

FloydA: If you haven't read it, check out Motel of the Mysteries by David Macaulay.


Seconded.  Also _Culture Made Stupid_ (Tom Weller) and _An Incomplete Education_ (Judy Jones, Willam Wilson).
 
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