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(The Hollywood Reporter)   JJ Abrams says he will "honor, but not revere" the past Star Wars films. Translation: lots of lensflares, the dropping of canon he finds to be too complicated, and terrible casting choices. But hey, it starts production next year   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 269
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2013-06-09 04:04:14 PM

Gunther: Mentat: As I said in another thread, the new Star Trek movies are technically sound.  They're well-made, well-acted, action-packed movies that offer enough throwbacks and easter eggs to keep fans happy while making the franchise accessible to a new generation.

There's no mystery to it, they're just not very well written.

The second one in particular suffers from not even really having an actual plot, just a not-particularly-convincing simulacrum of one. Here, I'll give an example; it is not possible to describe Khan's motivation or his plan to achieve them in a way that makes any kind of sense. He's a super-genius, but his plan to rescue his frozen buddies from the admiral is to... blow up a random secret base, shoot at the admiral with a space helicopter in a way that's fairly unlikely to kill the admiral but will make Khan a notorious criminal no matter if he succeeds or not, then run away to a Klingon planet and hide there indefinitely. Nothing he does is in service to his stated motivation.

There's a half dozen other major reasons why the plot is incoherent and probably dozens of other minor plot holes (why did McCoy randomly inject a dead tribble with Khan's blood? It wasn't because he thought it had magical resurrection properties; he was shocked to discover that. Does he just keep a box of dead tribbles on board so he can inject them with strange blood for no reason?), because the script is just a succession of action scenes and character beats held together with spackle. The Transformers movies had less contempt for their audience.


God knows the original Trek movies NEVER had any plot holes.
 
2013-06-09 04:06:27 PM

frepnog: He assumed that at that point Robocop would just destroy the torpedoes


The admiral didn't know Khan's people were in the torpedoes or he presumably wouldn't have given them to Kirk.

frepnog: he was taking his revenge upon Robocop .

So there's this super-powered super-genius who is so smart he can construct ships way better than anything Starfleet has with scientific knowledge 200 years out of date... and he immediately gives up on saving his people  in favor of this utterly retarded nonsensical revenge plan ("hey, I'll lure him into the open, shoot haphazardly at him, then run away to a Klingon planet for no reason other than to give the Admiral an excuse for the war he wants!"), that makes sense to you?

Also, speaking of the Admiral's war-boner, how the fark does "I'm worried we are unprepared for a war, therefore I'll provoke a war that we are unprepared for. It's OK though, I have one slightly tougher than average ship!" make any kind of sense as a plan?

Oh, then despite his plan to start a war (by having Kirk provoke the Klingons then crippling the Enterprise in Klingon space so they find and blow it up) actually working, he for no reason abandons it to come blow up Kirk himself. Why? because nothing in the plot makes any goddamn sense.

gimmegimme: Maybe we were hoping for a Star Trek movie that didn't require us to bring a pen and notebook into the theater.


Oh fark off. A movie doesn't have to be insultingly stupid to be fun.
 
2013-06-09 04:17:46 PM

Farking Canuck: - Khan's long term plan was never revealed simply because it was abandoned when he discovered his crew was on the Enterprise. He could have been planning on launching endless attacks from the relative safety of the Klingon home world until the Marcus gave him his crew back. We'll never know nor do we need to.


He was one guy hiding out on his own, on a hostile planet. The enemy he thought was going to attacking him (the admiral) planned to freaking torpedo him from space. What was his master plan, exactly?

Farking Canuck: McCoy's Tribble experiment was an obvious a dues ex machina setup so they could revive Kirk after killing him


Deus Ex Machinas are generally considered terrible writing.

Farking Canuck: That said, as McCoy explained while he did it, it is common to expose cells to substances under study


It really, really isn't. Imagine if you were watching CSI and they found a mysterious substance at a crime scene which they decided to test by injecting it into a dead rat. Then they ignored the rat until it spontaneously came back to life, meaning that the substance could also cure humans who had died from radiation exposure, which was handy as it let them save the life of their boss. And nobody bothered mentioning the ramifications of the fact that they'd just CONQUERED DEATH ITSELF and the episode ended with them hiding the mysterious substance away in a freezer.
 
2013-06-09 04:19:57 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I don't get why people have so much of a problem with lens flare.


It's because he adds it afterwards in post, to cover up his shiatty camera work.
 
2013-06-09 04:22:04 PM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Into the blue again: To all who are (or will be) butthurt, please suck it.

So, you're butthurt about people being butthurt?

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/Now THAT was funny.
 
2013-06-09 04:22:38 PM

ShadowKamui: Shostie: To be completely honest, anything that wasn't in the movies should be excised from the canon.

No need to complicate matters with hundreds of sh*tty novels, comic books and early 80's television specials.

Canon is only what's in the movies according to Lucas


Quote him saying this and I'll find quotes of him giving his blessing to book series and games.
 
2013-06-09 04:26:13 PM
Doesn't it take more than a year to produce a summer movie?  So it's gonna be rushed and suck regardless of the writing
 
2013-06-09 04:29:55 PM

Champion of the Sun: Doesn't it take more than a year to produce a summer movie?  So it's gonna be rushed and suck regardless of the writing


Though I admit my sense of time is questionable at be st, last I checked, 2015 is 2 years from now....
 
2013-06-09 04:31:37 PM
I'd be ok with dropping the canon that is ep 1-3.

It's pop sci-fi fantasy.

Go back to ep 4. Digitally edit in a TARDIS in the background of Tatooine for about 2-3 seconds and declare that from here on is a different timeline.

It may not be the best way, but we would all be complicit in the coverup and generations from now Jar Jar will be for gotten...
 
2013-06-09 04:32:13 PM
forgotten.

Long day...
 
2013-06-09 04:33:11 PM

James F. Campbell: The only good Star Wars movie was (and will continue to be) The Empire Strikes Back.

There, I said it.

 
2013-06-09 04:33:13 PM

frepnog: Khan in TOS was about 30. STII was around 15 years later.

Now, granted, life on Ceti Alpha V was harsh, but he was still only around 50, and being genetically enhanced, probably in better shape and with a longer life expectancy than most humans in Kirk's era.

Look at pictures of George Bush Jr before he became president and then look at some after he left office. That sucker aged like 15 years in the 4 years he was in office.


latimesblogs.latimes.com
Not really seeing that.  More like W gave up  on the Grecian Formula after using it 2002-2003

/Not sure if serious: W leaving office after 4 years.  You're not counting vacations and brush clearing?
 
2013-06-09 04:36:57 PM

Andric: Champion of the Sun: Doesn't it take more than a year to produce a summer movie?  So it's gonna be rushed and suck regardless of the writing

Though I admit my sense of time is questionable at be st, last I checked, 2015 is 2 years from now....


The headline and all other news indicates that production starts next year, so roughly one year from May 2015.
 
2013-06-09 04:40:11 PM

Soulcatcher: frepnog: Bslim: frepnog: FirstNationalBastard: Does everyone who dislikes something you like have to be doing it for hipster cred, or can people just not like something?

when you are hating on something that is practically universally acclaimed, yep, you are generally just being contrary if you say you don't like it.  Even more so if you say crap like "the original movies are so much better".  Because as much as a Trek fan as I have always been - the movies pretty much all sucked and HARD (yes, even WoK, which I have called "the shiniest turd in the turd collection") before JJ rebooted the universe.

But wait, that's exactly what YOU were doing when WoK was universally acclaimed.

actually I was a kid at the time and thought Wrath of Khan was awesome.  I still think it is a good film, and I watch it regularly, I just don't delude myself into thinking it is as great as my child's mind thought because when you scrutinize the film, it really falls apart.

Don't get me wrong. I love the original WoK. I also really loved the latest Trek movie. What pisses me off are the people that say that you can't love or appreciate both. It's like they believe that anyone who loves the new film is stabbing the original film in the back. Ridiculous. It's like saying that if you love Marinara sauce you CAN'T love Alfredo sauce too. Because that would be UNPOSSIBLE!!1!!11!11!!!!

/Tards
//Even if JJ's new Star Wars film is nothing but some guy having diarrhea onto a glass table top filmed from below, it will be more entertaining than the prequels, so don't get your Spiderman briefs in a bunch.


^ THIS!
 
2013-06-09 04:47:08 PM

Gunther: He was one guy hiding out on his own, on a hostile planet. The enemy he thought was going to attacking him (the admiral) planned to freaking torpedo him from space. What was his master plan, exactly?


He did not expect to be tracked there ... if Scotty had not discovered the long range transport Marcus would still have been searching Earth. Even Marcus they extended the search past Earth they would never extend it to searching the Klingon home world. If Scotty hadn't been able to track the transport this would have been the perfect hiding spot ... but Khan had no way of knowing that the inventor of this technology would happen to be examining the wreckage of his attack ship.

Gunther: Deus Ex Machinas are generally considered terrible writing.


Fair enough ... but we were discussing plot holes. This was simply a technique used to allow J.J. to introduce a dramatic death scene and then reverse it ... cheezey but not a plot hole.

Gunther:  Imagine if you were watching CSI and they found a mysterious substance at a crime scene which they decided to test by injecting it into a dead rat.


When the Vegas CSI team become space explorers I will find this comparison more relevant. McCoy was not trying to solve a murder ... he was investigating a curiosity.

Gunther: And nobody bothered mentioning the ramifications of the fact that they'd just CONQUERED DEATH ITSELF


Actually we conquered death long ago. The problem is reviving a person when the cause of death is still present. So what they conquered was cell degradation due to radiation damage. It is silly to expect J.J. to have extended this movie to explore the ramifications of this discovery ... especially since the source is taking blood from a prisoner. Maybe the plot of the next movie will just be all about court cases deciding the legality and morality of keeping Khan alive to endlessly milk him for medical cures. Won't that be fun?

I have never said the plot of this action movie should be winning any awards ... but the nit-picky over analysis is just sad. It's not like it is in the same league as that abortion called Prometheus.
 
2013-06-09 04:58:35 PM

Champion of the Sun: Andric: Champion of the Sun: Doesn't it take more than a year to produce a summer movie?  So it's gonna be rushed and suck regardless of the writing

Though I admit my sense of time is questionable at be st, last I checked, 2015 is 2 years from now....

The headline and all other news indicates that production starts next year, so roughly one year from May 2015.


I guarantee preproduction has already started.
 
2013-06-09 04:58:39 PM
As if every Star wars flick after Empire wasn't garbage...
 
2013-06-09 05:02:00 PM

Farking Canuck: He did not expect to be tracked there


For a supergenius, he's kind of a dumbass.

Farking Canuck: McCoy was not trying to solve a murder ... he was investigating a curiosity.


By injecting blood into random dead animals for no reason.

Farking Canuck: So what they conquered was cell degradation due to radiation damage


So that tribble had just happened to die of radiation poisoning then? Wow, convenient.

Farking Canuck: the nit-picky over analysis is just sad


That's the thing, though; I've picked on a couple of problems, one major (the antagonist's actions make no sense), one minor (Jesus tribble), but the movie has dozens of fairly major plot holes. I came up with a bunch I hadn't thought of before off the top of my head about how nothing the admiral does makes sense  in this post - we could be here all damn day while I list off problems. It's easy to tear this film apart because it's really badly put together.

It really is on the same level as Prometheus, which shouldn't really be surprising as they were written by the same dude.
 
2013-06-09 05:03:50 PM

Farking Canuck: Gunther: He was one guy hiding out on his own, on a hostile planet. The enemy he thought was going to attacking him (the admiral) planned to freaking torpedo him from space. What was his master plan, exactly?

He did not expect to be tracked there ... if Scotty had not discovered the long range transport Marcus would still have been searching Earth. Even Marcus they extended the search past Earth they would never extend it to searching the Klingon home world. If Scotty hadn't been able to track the transport this would have been the perfect hiding spot ... but Khan had no way of knowing that the inventor of this technology would happen to be examining the wreckage of his attack ship.

Gunther: Deus Ex Machinas are generally considered terrible writing.

Fair enough ... but we were discussing plot holes. This was simply a technique used to allow J.J. to introduce a dramatic death scene and then reverse it ... cheezey but not a plot hole.

Gunther:  Imagine if you were watching CSI and they found a mysterious substance at a crime scene which they decided to test by injecting it into a dead rat.

When the Vegas CSI team become space explorers I will find this comparison more relevant. McCoy was not trying to solve a murder ... he was investigating a curiosity.

Gunther: And nobody bothered mentioning the ramifications of the fact that they'd just CONQUERED DEATH ITSELF

Actually we conquered death long ago. The problem is reviving a person when the cause of death is still present. So what they conquered was cell degradation due to radiation damage. It is silly to expect J.J. to have extended this movie to explore the ramifications of this discovery ... especially since the source is taking blood from a prisoner. Maybe the plot of the next movie will just be all about court cases deciding the legality and morality of keeping Khan alive to endlessly milk him for medical cures. Won't that be fun?

I have never said the plot of this action movie should be winning any award ...


Seriously. We can only hope that the new JJ Star Wars movies have hours and hours of committees discussing trade negotiations and senatorial filibustering because that is the benchmark we are accustomed to and the stuff that dreams are made of. Maybe we will be lucky enough to get to watch someone scrape wookie shiat off their shoes.

/You farking tit
 
2013-06-09 05:05:32 PM

Gunther: Farking Canuck: He did not expect to be tracked there

For a supergenius, he's kind of a dumbass.

Farking Canuck: McCoy was not trying to solve a murder ... he was investigating a curiosity.

By injecting blood into random dead animals for no reason.

Farking Canuck: So what they conquered was cell degradation due to radiation damage

So that tribble had just happened to die of radiation poisoning then? Wow, convenient.

Farking Canuck: the nit-picky over analysis is just sad

That's the thing, though; I've picked on a couple of problems, one major (the antagonist's actions make no sense), one minor (Jesus tribble), but the movie has dozens of fairly major plot holes. I came up with a bunch I hadn't thought of before off the top of my head about how nothing the admiral does makes sense  in this post - we could be here all damn day while I list off problems. It's easy to tear this film apart because it's really badly put together.

It really is on the same level as Prometheus, which shouldn't really be surprising as they were written by the same dude.


Yes, that's the thing. It is a stupid soap opera in space on par with old ST movies. I decided that there's no need to put old ST in a pedestal anymore. Watch those movies again. There were just as terrible or worse when it comes to plot holes.
 
2013-06-09 05:07:23 PM

Digitalstrange:  Kinda ridiculous to not want him to do Star Wars because he's making ST more like SW


More that I don't want the same guy doing both.  Abrams should commit to one or the other, and let a different voice tell the other story.   I just don't all my sci-fi to look and feel the same, which is likely to happen when the same person controls both stories.
 
2013-06-09 05:15:25 PM

Gunther: Farking Canuck: He did not expect to be tracked there

For a supergenius, he's kind of a dumbass.


See this is where you are just being belligerent. The movie made it quite clear that the Star Fleet crash investigation team missed the detail of the long range transport (in fact I think the tech is secret so it was pretty much guaranteed that they would miss it). Why is he a dumb-ass for properly predicting what would happen?

What he failed to predict, as I already mentioned, is that the inventor of the technology would also be unofficially ordered to do a second investigation of the wreckage. As I said before, if Kirk had not gone against procedures and ordered Scotty to do an unauthorized 2nd investigation of the crashed vehicle, Khan would have had the best place in the galaxy to hide from Star Fleet. Seems like a pretty good plan ... foiled by the hero of the story doing something unexpected.

But you'll never admit this ... you've invested too much in ranting against this movie.

/funny thing is I wasn't even a fan of the 2009 ST movie ... had some stuff I liked but overall failed for me
 
2013-06-09 05:15:39 PM

Soulcatcher: Seriously. We can only hope that the new JJ Star Wars movies have hours and hours of committees discussing trade negotiations and senatorial filibustering because that is the benchmark we are accustomed to and the stuff that dreams are made of. Maybe we will be lucky enough to get to watch someone scrape wookie shiat off their shoes.


Saying I don't want nonsensical shiat doesn't automatically mean I want boring shiat. You can make something exciting and fast-paced without also making it farking stupid. Iron Man 3 was a fun, fast-paced action filled movie and I didn't walk out of that feeling like the writer held me in contempt.

jrodr018:  Watch those movies again. There were just as terrible or worse when it comes to plot holes.


Man, I watched WoK a couple weeks ago. It's still a damn solid movie, as is 3, 4, 6 and 8. The rest suck, but that doesn't somehow excuse the new one from also sucking.
 
2013-06-09 05:17:38 PM
After JJ's 2nd Trek, I'm not very hopeful for either future Trek or Star Wars.
It was a non-stop roller coaster.  That's ok for mindless action flicks, but Star Trek and Star Wars both dealt with bigger ideas.  It was about the story and the people and less about "get the bad guy!"

I blame Michael Bay.  But in lots of explosions and flash a bit of skin and audiences will love it.  No drama.  No tension.  Just a 2 hour caffeine rush.  Yeah, it can be fun, but not very fulfilling.  I expect that from a Michael Bay or Arnold Schwarzenegger film.  I guess I expected too much.
 
2013-06-09 05:19:40 PM

Gunther: Man, I watched WoK a couple weeks ago. It's still a damn solid movie, as is 3, 4, 6 and 8. The rest suck, but that doesn't somehow excuse the new one from also sucking.


It's a solid movie.  So is Into Darkness, though.
 
2013-06-09 05:20:49 PM

Farking Canuck: See this is where you are just being belligerent. The movie made it quite clear that the Star Fleet crash investigation team missed the detail of the long range transport (in fact I think the tech is secret so it was pretty much guaranteed that they would miss it). Why is he a dumb-ass for properly predicting what would happen?


Wow, secret tech. It's not like there's some Admiral who wants to track him down who might have access to that.

Farking Canuck: But you'll never admit this ... you've invested too much in ranting against this movie.


Jesus, I point out a few plot holes in a crappy film and all of a sudden I'm some kinda crazy obsessed hater. Strawman much?
 
2013-06-09 05:25:47 PM

Gunther: Soulcatcher: Seriously. We can only hope that the new JJ Star Wars movies have hours and hours of committees discussing trade negotiations and senatorial filibustering because that is the benchmark we are accustomed to and the stuff that dreams are made of. Maybe we will be lucky enough to get to watch someone scrape wookie shiat off their shoes.

Saying I don't want nonsensical shiat doesn't automatically mean I want boring shiat. You can make something exciting and fast-paced without also making it farking stupid. Iron Man 3 was a fun, fast-paced action filled movie and I didn't walk out of that feeling like the writer held me in contempt.

jrodr018:  Watch those movies again. There were just as terrible or worse when it comes to plot holes.

Man, I watched WoK a couple weeks ago. It's still a damn solid movie, as is 3, 4, 6 and 8. The rest suck, but that doesn't somehow excuse the new one from also sucking.


No, the point is you will NEVER like anything that he does with either franchise. Out of the gate you HATE it. You hate it now, you'll hate it next week, you'll hate it a year from now. You'll hate every word that he writes. You only even think about it now in order to come up more things to complain about in the future. It's already a done deal.

I'm tired of you crybabies.
 
2013-06-09 05:26:50 PM

Gunther: Soulcatcher: Seriously. We can only hope that the new JJ Star Wars movies have hours and hours of committees discussing trade negotiations and senatorial filibustering because that is the benchmark we are accustomed to and the stuff that dreams are made of. Maybe we will be lucky enough to get to watch someone scrape wookie shiat off their shoes.

Saying I don't want nonsensical shiat doesn't automatically mean I want boring shiat. You can make something exciting and fast-paced without also making it farking stupid. Iron Man 3 was a fun, fast-paced action filled movie and I didn't walk out of that feeling like the writer held me in contempt.

jrodr018:  Watch those movies again. There were just as terrible or worse when it comes to plot holes.

Man, I watched WoK a couple weeks ago. It's still a damn solid movie, as is 3, 4, 6 and 8. The rest suck, but that doesn't somehow excuse the new one from also sucking.


I love it too. But it didn't bother you that nobody noticed a planet was missing? And an old admiral taking what amounts to be recruits to an unknown and possibly dangerous mission? Khan being outwitted several times by inferior beings? The death of Spock that came out of nowhere? That's not a solid movie to me, but to each...
 
2013-06-09 05:32:14 PM

Gunther: Soulcatcher: Seriously. We can only hope that the new JJ Star Wars movies have hours and hours of committees discussing trade negotiations and senatorial filibustering because that is the benchmark we are accustomed to and the stuff that dreams are made of. Maybe we will be lucky enough to get to watch someone scrape wookie shiat off their shoes.

Saying I don't want nonsensical shiat doesn't automatically mean I want boring shiat. You can make something exciting and fast-paced without also making it farking stupid. Iron Man 3 was a fun, fast-paced action filled movie and I didn't walk out of that feeling like the writer held me in contempt.

jrodr018:  Watch those movies again. There were just as terrible or worse when it comes to plot holes.

Man, I watched WoK a couple weeks ago. It's still a damn solid movie, as is 3, 4, 6 and 8. The rest suck, but that doesn't somehow excuse the new one from also sucking.


Oh and how did Khan know that Kirk was going inspecting a training ship AND that he would take said ship to investigate a defective transmission? Not a huge plot hole? That's the whole premise of the movie right there.
 
2013-06-09 05:33:52 PM

Soulcatcher: No, the point is you will NEVER like anything that he does with either franchise. Out of the gate you HATE it. You hate it now, you'll hate it next week, you'll hate it a year from now. You'll hate every word that he writes. You only even think about it now in order to come up more things to complain about in the future. It's already a done deal.


Calm down before you give yourself a heart attack. Jesus.

I actually really liked Cloverfield. And lost was pretty good until the last season came off the goddamned rails. Even the first Star Trek reboot was goofy fun. Just because Into Darkness objectively sucked ass does not mean I'm some kind of rabid JJ Abrams hater.
 
2013-06-09 05:37:48 PM
jrodr018:

Khan's characterization in WoK is of an incredibly smart guy who's also pretty ignorant due to being from the past. He makes brilliant leaps and dumb mistakes in equal measure. I'm far more OK with that kinda thing than I am with neo-Khan being a total dumbass.
 
2013-06-09 05:44:50 PM

jrodr018: Gunther: Soulcatcher: Seriously. We can only hope that the new JJ Star Wars movies have hours and hours of committees discussing trade negotiations and senatorial filibustering because that is the benchmark we are accustomed to and the stuff that dreams are made of. Maybe we will be lucky enough to get to watch someone scrape wookie shiat off their shoes.

Saying I don't want nonsensical shiat doesn't automatically mean I want boring shiat. You can make something exciting and fast-paced without also making it farking stupid. Iron Man 3 was a fun, fast-paced action filled movie and I didn't walk out of that feeling like the writer held me in contempt.

jrodr018:  Watch those movies again. There were just as terrible or worse when it comes to plot holes.

Man, I watched WoK a couple weeks ago. It's still a damn solid movie, as is 3, 4, 6 and 8. The rest suck, but that doesn't somehow excuse the new one from also sucking.

I love it too. But it didn't bother you that nobody noticed a planet was missing? And an old admiral taking what amounts to be recruits to an unknown and possibly dangerous mission? Khan being outwitted several times by inferior beings? The death of Spock that came out of nowhere? That's not a solid movie to me, but to each...


I know. But, apparently we can forgive every plot hole from the original series. I mean... if we REALLY love tried and true old school Trek, we can pretend that everything from the past is perfect and everything new is an abomination from Hell.

I don't know about you guys, but I grew up with these characters. I really love them. I cried when I saw Star Trek 2009 because I was so happy to see these amazing characters come alive again. Kirk and Spock and Bones... and they weren't 70 year olds wearing toupees- they were young inexperienced kids trying to find their way in the universe. I was so happy to see my old friends again. You can shiat all over everything, but you can never take that away from me.

If not for JJ they would be gone, gone, gone and dead forever.
 
2013-06-09 05:50:44 PM

Soulcatcher: I'm tired of you crybabies.


Soulcatcher: I cried when I saw Star Trek 2009


Something, something, something, you should really just relax.
 
2013-06-09 05:55:02 PM
Seems relevant to this thread...

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-06-09 05:56:50 PM
So repeat to yourself, it's just a show, I should really just relax...

Actually I'm cooking a turkey right now and it smells really good.

=]
 
2013-06-09 06:15:24 PM
The first Abrams Trek movie only partly worked: the origin story of "how the band got together" is almost always going to work,, that part, and the cast, carried the first movie, but the whole "revenge-obscessed Romulan out of his time" thing was crap.

Into Darkness, as Plinkett rightly describes it, is a generic action movie with star trek fan service and references to other Trek scenes glued on over it, but it really isn't much of a Star Trek movie. Maybe you could compare Abrams' trek in these terms:

Abrams' Trek is to Real Star Trek as the high school in "Grease" is to "American Graffitti".
 
2013-06-09 06:19:00 PM

Soulcatcher: Cumberbatch is a better actor in his sleep than Mr "Corinthian Leather" ever was.


Yeah but he was a foppish British guy playing a dictator from East India. Granted, Montalban wasn't Indian either but he was more convincing than Englebert Cabbage Patch. I mean was Hugh Grant not available?
 
2013-06-09 06:19:45 PM
dl.dropboxusercontent.com
What the JJ Abrams version will look like . . .
 
2013-06-09 06:26:08 PM
When I saw episode 1 (1999?), I had won tickets from a radio station (yes, there was such a thing in those days). They were "VIP" tickets so we could bypass the lines of people impressively dressed like it was Halloween. It was the first screening in my time zone. And man, I was stoked.

When the John Williams score exploded through the impressive multiplex sound system as the film began, everyone in the packed audience stood up and went apesh*t. We all clapped and screamed and I'm pretty sure no one read the scrolling script.

Then we saw the actual movie.

Jesus, after all that hype, you piss on our legs and tell me it's raining? I'd have had a better experience if Homer told me that Vader was the father.
 
2013-06-09 06:44:12 PM

Soulcatcher: jrodr018: Gunther: Soulcatcher: Seriously. We can only hope that the new JJ Star Wars movies have hours and hours of committees discussing trade negotiations and senatorial filibustering because that is the benchmark we are accustomed to and the stuff that dreams are made of. Maybe we will be lucky enough to get to watch someone scrape wookie shiat off their shoes.

Saying I don't want nonsensical shiat doesn't automatically mean I want boring shiat. You can make something exciting and fast-paced without also making it farking stupid. Iron Man 3 was a fun, fast-paced action filled movie and I didn't walk out of that feeling like the writer held me in contempt.

jrodr018:  Watch those movies again. There were just as terrible or worse when it comes to plot holes.

Man, I watched WoK a couple weeks ago. It's still a damn solid movie, as is 3, 4, 6 and 8. The rest suck, but that doesn't somehow excuse the new one from also sucking.

I love it too. But it didn't bother you that nobody noticed a planet was missing? And an old admiral taking what amounts to be recruits to an unknown and possibly dangerous mission? Khan being outwitted several times by inferior beings? The death of Spock that came out of nowhere? That's not a solid movie to me, but to each...

I know. But, apparently we can forgive every plot hole from the original series. I mean... if we REALLY love tried and true old school Trek, we can pretend that everything from the past is perfect and everything new is an abomination from Hell.

I don't know about you guys, but I grew up with these characters. I really love them. I cried when I saw Star Trek 2009 because I was so happy to see these amazing characters come alive again. Kirk and Spock and Bones... and they weren't 70 year olds wearing toupees- they were young inexperienced kids trying to find their way in the universe. I was so happy to see my old friends again. You can shiat all over everything, but you can never take that away from me.

If not for JJ ...


Wow.
 
2013-06-09 06:50:34 PM

Confabulat: Go on, subby, I'll call you. What's your problem, exactly, with the casting choices?


Seriously. Say what you want about other aspects of the films, but the casting is nearly farking perfect.
 
2013-06-09 07:04:21 PM
They could have removed the iconic ships and logos from the last one, changed all the names around and called it "Solar Journey" and nobody would have known it was a Star Trek movie.

My friends and I are in total shock at how terribly written it was.

Seriously, with a character's name like that, you cast one of the most white English actors to play the villain? Casting perfect? LOLWHUT.JPG
 
2013-06-09 07:08:52 PM

Skunkwolf: They could have removed the iconic ships and logos from the last one, changed all the names around and called it "Solar Journey" and nobody would have known it was a Star Trek movie.

My friends and I are in total shock at how terribly written it was.

Seriously, with a character's name like that, you cast one of the most white English actors to play the villain? Casting perfect? LOLWHUT.JPG


Can't wait for the casting of legendary (previously thought dead )Jedi Mace Windu as played by Chris Ecclestone?!
 
2013-06-09 07:13:51 PM

NutWrench: [dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 500x281]
What the JJ Abrams version will look like . . .


Now I know why those stormtrooper helmets have such dark lenses...
 
2013-06-09 07:15:47 PM
The hate makes me love these movies even more. The new Star Treks are amazing and I can't wait to see what he'll do with Star Wars.
 
2013-06-09 07:16:12 PM

Skunkwolf: They could have removed the iconic ships and logos from the last one, changed all the names around and called it "Solar Journey" and nobody would have known it was a Star Trek movie.

My friends and I are in total shock at how terribly written it was.

Seriously, with a character's name like that, you cast one of the most white English actors to play the villain? Casting perfect? LOLWHUT.JPG


I'm curious... what exactly do you like about Star Trek, in general?
 
2013-06-09 07:21:08 PM
Star Wars movies have clean shot action scenes, where you see what is happening.

JJ is in love with shaky camera work and lots of cut, to make action scene seem exciting.
 
2013-06-09 07:21:15 PM

Confabulat: Go on, subby, I'll call you. What's your problem, exactly, with the casting choices?


He got Cumberbatch for Khan.  Subby's argument is invalid.

/subby needs a Whaaaambulance
 
2013-06-09 07:27:56 PM

Gunther: objectively sucked ass


LOL ... is that your opinion?
 
2013-06-09 07:31:49 PM

Into the blue again: To all who are (or will be) butthurt, please suck it.


/Just a movie
//I will be second in line, great hope I have!
///I actually saw episode one 13 times in the theater, pathetic I know. It wasn't very good
////I'd rank the movies like this: 5, 4, 3, 6, 1, 2 ( 6 and 3 can be interchangeable)
//I hated Whiney anakin in ep2
//how many slashies are too many?


You thought that The Empire Strikes Back was the worst?  Wow.

My picks:

2, 1, 3...and the rest are garbage that I've never watched a second time.
 
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