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2013-06-08 11:57:30 AM
Does he smell like shoe polish?
 
2013-06-08 12:23:55 PM
I like that guy. Hopefully he can make the Catholic Church a better place.
 
2013-06-08 12:26:27 PM
I'm not Catholic, but I like this pope.
 
2013-06-08 12:26:37 PM

NewportBarGuy: I like that guy. Hopefully he can make the Catholic Church a better place.


If he doesn't have an 'accident'

/I have to admit; he seems a truly decent man
 
2013-06-08 12:31:10 PM

Once and Future Lurker: I'm not Catholic, but I like this pope.


This.  I like him a lot.  He seems to get the whole Jesus thing, which I'm pretty sure is ostensibly the central figure of the church.
 
2013-06-08 12:31:49 PM
TRY NOT TO CONDUCT ANY MASSES ON THE WAY TO THE PARKING LOT!
 
2013-06-08 12:35:04 PM
While he doesn't seem to have a history of facilitating child rape, he is anti-gay.  Let's not forget that because he seems nice.
 
2013-06-08 12:36:15 PM
Still waiting for that ball hockey game to start on the roof of the Lateran palace.
 
2013-06-08 12:46:05 PM

gimmegimme: While he doesn't seem to have a history of facilitating child rape, he is anti-gay.  Let's not forget that because he seems nice.


All Catholics are anti-gay, by the official church definition.
 
2013-06-08 12:51:59 PM
This is probably why he'll be one of the most popular Popes in modern history.
The last one was just down right creepy.
 
2013-06-08 12:55:17 PM

Lost Thought 00: gimmegimme: While he doesn't seem to have a history of facilitating child rape, he is anti-gay.  Let's not forget that because he seems nice.

All Catholics are anti-gay, by the official church definition.


Good point.  And the official church doctrine is as fantastic and made-up as Lord of the Rings, but people waste their time and money on these charlatans.
 
2013-06-08 12:59:18 PM

jehovahs witness protection: This is probably why he'll be one of the most popular Popes in modern history.
The last one was just down right creepy.


Especially coming after JP2, another pope who I have a certain degree of admiration for.  Benedict was just.... well, yeah, creepy.
 
2013-06-08 01:02:55 PM
Speaking to a huge group of children Friday at the Vatican, Pope Francis pushed aside a set of prepared remarks to talk directly to them and answer some of their questions.

I read that as "group of huge children" and so the entire article was framed as the pope denying he's really the real pope because the giant toddlers wanted vengeance.

I like this pope.
 
2013-06-08 01:31:37 PM
Speaking to a huge group of children

How many?
 
2013-06-08 01:38:25 PM

Once and Future Lurker: I'm not Catholic, but I like this pope.


Same here.

FirstNationalBastard: TRY NOT TO CONDUCT ANY MASSES ON THE WAY TO THE PARKING LOT!


I'm not Catholic, but I like this post.
 
2013-06-08 01:57:23 PM

Lost Thought 00: All Catholics are anti-gay, by the official church definition.


No.

There are certain requirements to being a Catholic, both what I'd call requirements of process (getting Baptized, Confirmed, etc) and requirements of faith (the Nicene Creed lists these). But outside of these individual Roman Catholics can disagree with the church and still be Catholic. Depending on how they manifest this disagreement, they might be sinning Catholics. Even if the disagreement is so great that the individual is excommunicated they are still considered Catholic by the church.

Many very faithful Catholics disagree with the Church on matters of faith. For example, many people believe in miracles that the Church does not recognize.
 
2013-06-08 02:01:11 PM

Krieghund: Lost Thought 00: All Catholics are anti-gay, by the official church definition.

No.

There are certain requirements to being a Catholic, both what I'd call requirements of process (getting Baptized, Confirmed, etc) and requirements of faith (the Nicene Creed lists these). But outside of these individual Roman Catholics can disagree with the church and still be Catholic. Depending on how they manifest this disagreement, they might be sinning Catholics. Even if the disagreement is so great that the individual is excommunicated they are still considered Catholic by the church.

Many very faithful Catholics disagree with the Church on matters of faith. For example, many people believe in miracles that the Church does not recognize.


So how much of Catholic dogma can one reject and still call oneself a Catholic?  How much of the Bible can one reject and still label oneself a Christian?
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2013-06-08 02:25:04 PM

gimmegimme: While he doesn't seem to have a history of facilitating child rape, he is anti-gay.  Let's not forget that because he seems nice.


With an organization as large as the Catholic church, change doesn't come overnight.  Look at JP2.  He had to take small, small steps.  But when you are as huge as the Catholic Church, the smallest steps can shake up the world.

Will we see the Catholic Church recognize gay marriage?  Probably not.  That is there right as a church to recognize what they want.

Will we see the church tell its members that gays deserve equal rights and freedoms that everyone else has?  Hopefully.

But it will take time.  This guy has the right idea.  Let's just...wait and see.
 
2013-06-08 02:27:38 PM

MBK: gimmegimme: While he doesn't seem to have a history of facilitating child rape, he is anti-gay.  Let's not forget that because he seems nice.

With an organization as large as the Catholic church, change doesn't come overnight.  Look at JP2.  He had to take small, small steps.  But when you are as huge as the Catholic Church, the smallest steps can shake up the world.

Will we see the Catholic Church recognize gay marriage?  Probably not.  That is there right as a church to recognize what they want.

Will we see the church tell its members that gays deserve equal rights and freedoms that everyone else has?  Hopefully.

But it will take time.  This guy has the right idea.  Let's just...wait and see.


How about we all just live in reality right now?  You seem to be saying that we should go to Taco Bell every day because they're TRYING to eliminate bodily fluids from the food and they'll get there one day.

There's no baby in the Catholic bathwater that we need to throw out.
 
2013-06-08 03:19:12 PM
give it time. he'll be diddling kids in his popemobile
 
2013-06-08 03:20:30 PM

FirstNationalBastard: TRY NOT TO CONDUCT ANY MASSES ON THE WAY TO THE PARKING LOT!


Hehehehehe!
 
2013-06-08 03:21:54 PM
 The pope also joked that the papal apartments aren't as sumptuous as people think they are.

It's hard to get that German old man smell out of it, I understand.
 
2013-06-08 03:22:29 PM
Has anyone tried to change the holy document of Vatican law, or has the giant spider queen kept them from doing so?
 
2013-06-08 03:25:33 PM
From a different article. ..

Francis has shown himself to be remarkably
comfortable around children, taking up to an hour
each Wednesday to greet mostly young people in
the crowds at his general audience: He caresses
and kisses the dozens of babies handed to him by
his bodyguards; and he tousles the hair of older
teens and pats them on the back, asking them to
pray for him.

And so it starts. ..
 
2013-06-08 03:26:26 PM

NewportBarGuy: I like that guy. Hopefully he can make the Catholic Church a better place.


He looks like he still gets surprised when people call him 'Pope'. 'Oh, right. That's me. Sorry.'
 
2013-06-08 03:27:43 PM
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2013-06-08 03:28:00 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: NewportBarGuy: I like that guy. Hopefully he can make the Catholic Church a better place.

If he doesn't have an 'accident'

/I have to admit; he seems a truly decent man


"Accident" right.
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2013-06-08 03:29:07 PM

FloydA: Speaking to a huge group of children

How many?


37
 
2013-06-08 03:29:43 PM

gimmegimme: How much of the Bible can one reject and still label oneself a Christian?


Personally I'd say you could toss all of it except for this bit, provided that you actually lived it instead of just reciting it.

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
 
2013-06-08 03:31:16 PM
He should lighten up.
 
2013-06-08 03:32:23 PM

gimmegimme: While he doesn't seem to have a history of facilitating child rape, he is anti-gay.  Let's not forget that because he seems nice.


Maybe give that one a few more generations to change doctrine.
 
2013-06-08 03:33:47 PM

gimmegimme: How much of the Bible can one reject and still label oneself a Christian?


How much of the bible was declared apocryphia over the first millennium of Christianity?
 
2013-06-08 03:34:57 PM

Arkanaut: FloydA: Speaking to a huge group of children

How many?

37


In a row?
 
2013-06-08 03:49:22 PM
"My mother took those pills, you see. But one day, she forgot.."
 
2013-06-08 03:49:52 PM
 
2013-06-08 03:52:06 PM
gimmegimme:

So how much of Catholic dogma can one reject and still call oneself a Catholic?

This is the question on which even Catholics themselves disagree. Some very conservative Catholics would insist "not a lot" while more liberal Catholics would insist "quite a bit."  From a strict theological point of view, it is possible that one can reject it all and still be saved because with God "all things are possible."  In the end, America is a free country and one can call oneself whatever one likes. Our President calls himself a black man when he is manifestly not.
 
2013-06-08 03:58:37 PM

gimmegimme: Lost Thought 00: gimmegimme: While he doesn't seem to have a history of facilitating child rape, he is anti-gay.  Let's not forget that because he seems nice.

All Catholics are anti-gay, by the official church definition.

Good point.  And the official church doctrine is as fantastic and made-up as Lord of the Rings, but people waste their time and money on these charlatans.


Given that Tolkein was a devout Catholic himself, I find your choice of literary myth... amusing.
 
2013-06-08 03:59:20 PM

gimmegimme: While he doesn't seem to have a history of facilitating child rape, he is anti-gay.  Let's not forget that because he seems nice.


I don't really care about people's personal stances.  I care about actions.  His actions, so far, speak louder than his personal beliefs, and that's all I really care about.

/not Catholic
//Thomas Jefferson is a prime example from many directions.  Didn't like slavery, had slaves, wrote against slavery(Land Ordinance '84, early drafts of the DOI), wrote against Blacks(Notes on the State of Virginia), called his slaves family, sold captured runaways, etc.
 
2013-06-08 03:59:44 PM
I think this guarantees that the cardinals will never pick another South American. They're going to keep picking from the same pool of half-dead European guys.
 
2013-06-08 04:00:47 PM

Lost Thought 00: gimmegimme: While he doesn't seem to have a history of facilitating child rape, he is anti-gay.  Let's not forget that because he seems nice.

All Catholics are anti-gay, by the official church definition.


That is over-simplifying and ignores the facts of what has split the Roman Catholic church around the world for decades. Like... these comments on fark are getting to be tedious....Jesus wept, man, and the line in the Bible was "Welcome to fark" (John 3:16).

gimmegimme: So how much of Catholic dogma can one reject and still call oneself a Catholic?  How much of the Bible can one reject and still label oneself a Christian?


Freaky, eh? You'd almost think that throughout its history, the Roman Cartholic Church thinks of the Bible as a book of metaphors and parables compiled by fallible humans who need years of study and cultural comparisons to interpret properly for their local community. Like, it is almost as if a guy named St. Francis had to reinterpret the roles of monks in Spain when the Spanish racial and economic reality changed. As if the members of that particular worldview think that the Bible points toward truths, but the world is too complicated for those stories to be taken literally or applied when technology and economics and geography are different

I mean, HOW CAN THAT BE, right?
 
2013-06-08 04:02:34 PM

DrunkWithImpotence: gimmegimme: Lost Thought 00: gimmegimme: While he doesn't seem to have a history of facilitating child rape, he is anti-gay.  Let's not forget that because he seems nice.

All Catholics are anti-gay, by the official church definition.

Good point.  And the official church doctrine is as fantastic and made-up as Lord of the Rings, but people waste their time and money on these charlatans.

Given that Tolkein was a devout Catholic himself, I find your choice of literary myth... amusing.


Bigots rarely fact-check, so it's funny to see them trip up.
 
2013-06-08 04:05:29 PM

Ivo Shandor: gimmegimme: How much of the Bible can one reject and still label oneself a Christian?

Personally I'd say you could toss all of it except for this bit, provided that you actually lived it instead of just reciting it.

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Well, that sounds nice, but there's no proof whatsoever that the "Lord thy God" is anything but a Bronze Age Luke Skywalker.

hardinparamedic: gimmegimme: How much of the Bible can one reject and still label oneself a Christian?

How much of the bible was declared apocryphia over the first millennium of Christianity?


Are you talking about the Old Testament?

worlddan: gimmegimme:

So how much of Catholic dogma can one reject and still call oneself a Catholic?

This is the question on which even Catholics themselves disagree. Some very conservative Catholics would insist "not a lot" while more liberal Catholics would insist "quite a bit."  From a strict theological point of view, it is possible that one can reject it all and still be saved because with God "all things are possible."  In the end, America is a free country and one can call oneself whatever one likes. Our President calls himself a black man when he is manifestly not.


I love how you slipped that in.
 
2013-06-08 04:06:53 PM

Nabb1: DrunkWithImpotence: gimmegimme: Lost Thought 00: gimmegimme: While he doesn't seem to have a history of facilitating child rape, he is anti-gay.  Let's not forget that because he seems nice.

All Catholics are anti-gay, by the official church definition.

Good point.  And the official church doctrine is as fantastic and made-up as Lord of the Rings, but people waste their time and money on these charlatans.

Given that Tolkein was a devout Catholic himself, I find your choice of literary myth... amusing.

Bigots rarely fact-check, so it's funny to see them trip up.


I don't get it; are you saying that Tolkien didn't write the books or that he's a deity?
 
2013-06-08 04:08:30 PM

gimmegimme: Nabb1: DrunkWithImpotence: gimmegimme: Lost Thought 00: gimmegimme: While he doesn't seem to have a history of facilitating child rape, he is anti-gay.  Let's not forget that because he seems nice.

All Catholics are anti-gay, by the official church definition.

Good point.  And the official church doctrine is as fantastic and made-up as Lord of the Rings, but people waste their time and money on these charlatans.

Given that Tolkein was a devout Catholic himself, I find your choice of literary myth... amusing.

Bigots rarely fact-check, so it's funny to see them trip up.

I don't get it; are you saying that Tolkien didn't write the books or that he's a deity?


I'm wagering that you had no idea he was Catholic.
 
2013-06-08 04:09:05 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: NewportBarGuy: I like that guy. Hopefully he can make the Catholic Church a better place.

If he doesn't have an 'accident'

/I have to admit; he seems a truly decent man


Sadly, This. If he doesn't "continue the kennedy legacy", it'd be surprising since he's apparently a very pious, down-to-earth pope. Which, isn't exactly good news for the cardinals seeking to enrich the coffers or maintain the "old guard" so to speak.
 
2013-06-08 04:09:42 PM

Nabb1: gimmegimme: Nabb1: DrunkWithImpotence: gimmegimme: Lost Thought 00: gimmegimme: While he doesn't seem to have a history of facilitating child rape, he is anti-gay.  Let's not forget that because he seems nice.

All Catholics are anti-gay, by the official church definition.

Good point.  And the official church doctrine is as fantastic and made-up as Lord of the Rings, but people waste their time and money on these charlatans.

Given that Tolkein was a devout Catholic himself, I find your choice of literary myth... amusing.

Bigots rarely fact-check, so it's funny to see them trip up.

I don't get it; are you saying that Tolkien didn't write the books or that he's a deity?

I'm wagering that you had no idea he was Catholic.


You would be incorrect.  And you're doing an awful lot of name-calling and you're trying to be unpleasant.

WWJD?
 
2013-06-08 04:10:05 PM

FloydA: Speaking to a huge group of children

How many?


Size doesn't matter.
 
2013-06-08 04:10:50 PM
Just became a Dunedain last week .So I'm finding this to be a moment for St. Joan.
 
2013-06-08 04:12:47 PM

gimmegimme: Nabb1: gimmegimme: Nabb1: DrunkWithImpotence: gimmegimme: Lost Thought 00: gimmegimme: While he doesn't seem to have a history of facilitating child rape, he is anti-gay.  Let's not forget that because he seems nice.

All Catholics are anti-gay, by the official church definition.

Good point.  And the official church doctrine is as fantastic and made-up as Lord of the Rings, but people waste their time and money on these charlatans.

Given that Tolkein was a devout Catholic himself, I find your choice of literary myth... amusing.

Bigots rarely fact-check, so it's funny to see them trip up.

I don't get it; are you saying that Tolkien didn't write the books or that he's a deity?

I'm wagering that you had no idea he was Catholic.

You would be incorrect.  And you're doing an awful lot of name-calling and you're trying to be unpleasant.

WWJD?


I'm not very pious and have never claimed to be, but you post a lot in these threads, most of it hostile and inaccurate. But, hey, if you knew Tolkein was Catholic I guess I can't say you're wrong about everything.
 
2013-06-08 04:14:40 PM
He'll probably get shot, but Jesus will think that's too dark and send him back to do it all over again
 
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