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2013-06-08 01:17:20 PM
Well, that 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition ordered by DHS didn't help.
 
2013-06-08 01:46:40 PM
The elephant in the living room of the US gun debate is that, with so much stockpiling of ammo, do those hoping to enact a widespread ban of semi-automatics really think these folks will turn it all over?
 
2013-06-08 01:53:34 PM

Mrbogey: The elephant in the living room of the US gun debate is that, with so much stockpiling of ammo, do those hoping to enact a widespread ban of semi-automatics really think these folks will turn it all over?


well, i've got news for you, it's not street thugs buying all the ammo... its real people. doubt they'll turn anything over.
 
2013-06-08 01:56:20 PM

Mrbogey: The elephant in the living room of the US gun debate is that, with so much stockpiling of ammo, do those hoping to enact a widespread ban of semi-automatics really think these folks will turn it all over?


What in God's name are you talking about?
 
2013-06-08 02:28:29 PM
It just doesn't even make any sense at this point. The AWB failed, and it wouldn't have taken most of the hoarded calibers off the market anyhow.

Honestly, the AWB threat was ironically the best thing that's happened to gun manufacturers in years. I'm starting to think the entire thing was just staged brinksmanship to sell more ammo and firearms.
 
2013-06-08 02:33:03 PM
When the f*ck is this sh*t going to die down? Because I really need to get some more ammo yet refuse to spend 4x the amount it's worth.

CSS: like a week before all this sh*t I finally had saved up to get the 9mm I'd been wanted, but was planning on going on a certain day because of a friend who needed to go to the gun shop too... yep.... saw the line, called and asked, the one I wanted was sold out, but he could put my name on a list to order one for almost double what it originally cost.
 
2013-06-08 02:38:29 PM

CapeFearCadaver: When the f*ck is this sh*t going to die down? Because I really need to get some more ammo yet refuse to spend 4x the amount it's worth.

CSS: like a week before all this sh*t I finally had saved up to get the 9mm I'd been wanted, but was planning on going on a certain day because of a friend who needed to go to the gun shop too... yep.... saw the line, called and asked, the one I wanted was sold out, but he could put my name on a list to order one for almost double what it originally cost.


Dick's is being boycotted right now by the NRA.  They've got weights and calibers you can't get elsewhere.

Otherwise go to a local gun show and buy in boxes of 1000.  It's the best deal around.
 
2013-06-08 02:39:29 PM

CapeFearCadaver: When the f*ck is this sh*t going to die down? Because I really need to get some more ammo yet refuse to spend 4x the amount it's worth.

CSS: like a week before all this sh*t I finally had saved up to get the 9mm I'd been wanted, but was planning on going on a certain day because of a friend who needed to go to the gun shop too... yep.... saw the line, called and asked, the one I wanted was sold out, but he could put my name on a list to order one for almost double what it originally cost.


My local WalMart is swimming in 9mm.
 
2013-06-08 03:42:39 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Dick's is being boycotted right now by the NRA. They've got weights and calibers you can't get elsewhere.


Oh yeah, that's right! I'll try Dicks then. Totally forgot about that boycott thingymabob. Thanks.
 
2013-06-08 03:47:34 PM
This year I rediscovered the joys of airgunning, because people are stupid.
 
2013-06-08 03:55:56 PM

Marcus Aurelius: My local WalMart is swimming in 9mm.


Yah, walmart. If your local seems extra-dry, ask around the sproting goods department about which employee is buying the stock and is willing to sell privately ... Then report the asshole to Walmart Corporate. They are having a problem with this.
 
2013-06-08 04:39:21 PM

DrRatchet: Marcus Aurelius: My local WalMart is swimming in 9mm.

Yah, walmart. If your local seems extra-dry, ask around the sproting goods department about which employee is buying the stock and is willing to sell privately ... Then report the asshole to Walmart Corporate. They are having a problem with this.


Really? Why would WalMart have a problem with capitalism and the entrepreneurial spirit of America?
 
2013-06-08 04:39:23 PM
Upside-down people problems
 
2013-06-08 04:39:35 PM

Somaticasual: It just doesn't even make any sense at this point. The AWB failed, and it wouldn't have taken most of the hoarded calibers off the market anyhow.

Honestly, the AWB threat was ironically the best thing that's happened to gun manufacturers in years. I'm starting to think the entire thing was just staged brinksmanship to sell more ammo and firearms.


I have long suspected this as well. One of the largest gun stores around has a standee of Clinton tagged with "Employee of the Year".
 
2013-06-08 04:40:51 PM

MFAWG: DrRatchet: Marcus Aurelius: My local WalMart is swimming in 9mm.

Yah, walmart. If your local seems extra-dry, ask around the sproting goods department about which employee is buying the stock and is willing to sell privately ... Then report the asshole to Walmart Corporate. They are having a problem with this.

Really? Why would WalMart have a problem with capitalism and the entrepreneurial spirit of America?


Because someone else is making money?
 
2013-06-08 04:41:31 PM
You know who else had an ammunition problem?
 
2013-06-08 04:42:56 PM

FrancoFile: You know who else had an ammunition problem?


The Russians during WWII?
 
2013-06-08 04:45:31 PM
They are having temporary shut downs of the drive thru Ammo & Liquor stores here in Oakland.

Now the stolen cars are parked on the lawns.

My son Reload, got nothin to do.
 
2013-06-08 04:45:42 PM
Is it the zombie apocalypse or something? Or are gun nuts just gullible?

I have plans tonight, so if it is zombies, I kind of need to know how to dress.
 
2013-06-08 04:46:11 PM

pxlboy: MFAWG: DrRatchet: Marcus Aurelius: My local WalMart is swimming in 9mm.

Yah, walmart. If your local seems extra-dry, ask around the sproting goods department about which employee is buying the stock and is willing to sell privately ... Then report the asshole to Walmart Corporate. They are having a problem with this.

Really? Why would WalMart have a problem with capitalism and the entrepreneurial spirit of America?

Because someone else is making money?


D'oh! Of course!

Seriously, there is no way all these knuckleheads can actually USE all the ammunition they're apparently hoarding. What's the shelf life of a 9mm round? 5 or 6 years?
 
2013-06-08 04:46:50 PM
If they want bullets they should get them from Chicago.
 
2013-06-08 04:51:00 PM

MFAWG: pxlboy: MFAWG: DrRatchet: Marcus Aurelius: My local WalMart is swimming in 9mm.

Yah, walmart. If your local seems extra-dry, ask around the sproting goods department about which employee is buying the stock and is willing to sell privately ... Then report the asshole to Walmart Corporate. They are having a problem with this.

Really? Why would WalMart have a problem with capitalism and the entrepreneurial spirit of America?

Because someone else is making money?

D'oh! Of course!

Seriously, there is no way all these knuckleheads can actually USE all the ammunition they're apparently hoarding. What's the shelf life of a 9mm round? 5 or 6 years?


They aren't hoarding it.  It's for practice.  They use a lot of rounds to practice with.  You know, like the Department of Homeland Security is doing.  Practice, practice, practice.
 
2013-06-08 04:52:13 PM

Somaticasual: It just doesn't even make any sense at this point. The AWB failed, and it wouldn't have taken most of the hoarded calibers off the market anyhow.


Gun legislation is only part of a larger picture.  There is now a vast political movement based on the premise that our government and economy are unsustainable, and that if we don't dismantle civilization it will collapse in the next few years.

Ironically, these people practically worship the US Constitution, despite their belief that the constitutionally defined government is defective and about to collapse.  They also identify themselves with patriots of earlier eras, even though every prior generation of Americans was able to run the country without freaking out and giving up.

Anyways, these people stockpile ammo not because the gummint is going to ban ammo (well, some people are honestly that paranoid,) but because doomsday is upon us in a more general sense, and that ammo will be necessary along with MREs and patriot seeds.

And lest I mock them too much, they have a point:  if this political movement ever gains enough political power that our nation unconditionally surrenders to the fact that big numbers are scary and everything is really hard, then their philosophy will become self-fulfilling.  It's enough that regular people end up making emergency plans just in case.
 
2013-06-08 04:53:30 PM
Ya the stupid hoarding crap is getting really, really, tiring. Crazies are just buying up anything they can get their hands on, certain kinds of guns too not just ammo, as quick as they can. They really seem to think the future will be like Fallout 3 or something, where they are roam the wastes, blowing through thousands of rounds of ammo in a day.

The good news it is eventually self-solving. Eventually, they'll run out of money and have to stop with all the gabbing. But it is annoying. A friend recently got a pistol and the only ammo he could find was real expensive, so I gave him some extra. The place I order from online normally (buying online in small bulk amounts, 500-1000 rounds is the cheapest I find) is out of all the more popular calibers, and most of the wildcat ones as well.

It is just retarded. People going crazy for no reason at all.
 
2013-06-08 04:53:32 PM

basemetal: Well, that 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition ordered by DHS didn't help.


no it was 16 trillion, 1/4 the national expenditure for the year. please check your facts.
 
2013-06-08 04:54:30 PM

MFAWG: . What's the shelf life of a 9mm round? 5 or 6 years?

Not being snarky.... but do you have a citation for this? I've been rotating 9mm for about a decade with no problems.... but I keep it very cool and dry.
 
2013-06-08 04:59:43 PM

MFAWG: pxlboy: MFAWG: DrRatchet: Marcus Aurelius: My local WalMart is swimming in 9mm.

Yah, walmart. If your local seems extra-dry, ask around the sproting goods department about which employee is buying the stock and is willing to sell privately ... Then report the asshole to Walmart Corporate. They are having a problem with this.

Really? Why would WalMart have a problem with capitalism and the entrepreneurial spirit of America?

Because someone else is making money?

D'oh! Of course!

Seriously, there is no way all these knuckleheads can actually USE all the ammunition they're apparently hoarding. What's the shelf life of a 9mm round? 5 or 6 years?


JoeJitsu: MFAWG: pxlboy: MFAWG: DrRatchet: Marcus Aurelius: My local WalMart is swimming in 9mm.

Yah, walmart. If your local seems extra-dry, ask around the sproting goods department about which employee is buying the stock and is willing to sell privately ... Then report the asshole to Walmart Corporate. They are having a problem with this.

Really? Why would WalMart have a problem with capitalism and the entrepreneurial spirit of America?

Because someone else is making money?

D'oh! Of course!

Seriously, there is no way all these knuckleheads can actually USE all the ammunition they're apparently hoarding. What's the shelf life of a 9mm round? 5 or 6 years?


No, decades at least, maybe centuries. All the components to ammo are stable, they don't chemically change. In fact you find that if you buy online in bulk the places will often get old ammo that got dug up. 7.62x39mm, as in AK-47 ammo, is particularly common in this regard. Some former Soviet republic will uncover and sell of a stockpile of it (the Soviets were practically like squirrels with it) so you'll see some old 1970s ammo for cheap. Unless water has gotten in or something it probably all works fine.

This is not to say that it is a smart idea to hoard, but it is stuff that lasts. My bet though is they end up having to sell a lot of it for a loss. They are probably running up CC debt buying it since they are so sure society will collapse and that the debt will thus go away. When that doesn't happen, well they'll find themselves in need of som emoney.

They aren't hoarding it.  It's for practice.  They use a lot of rounds to practice with.  You know, like the Department of Homeland Security is doing.  Practice, practice, practice.

I fail to see why people think this is a bad idea. The DHS purchase works out to about 1000 rounds per officer per year. That is not an unreasonable amount to shoot to maintain proficiency. That's around what many civilians (like myself) who like firearms but really aren't that great shoot. The people who are good, shoot a lot more. Personally, I'd like it if law enforcement could actually, you know, occasionally hit their target and not just spray half a city block. Only way that happens is practice and THAT takes a lot of rounds. People act like it is sinister that the DHS would want to practice marksmanship. I think it should be farking required. If cops are going to be given guns, they should damn well be required to train regularly using them.
 
2013-06-08 05:00:59 PM

part of the problem: MFAWG: . What's the shelf life of a 9mm round? 5 or 6 years?
Not being snarky.... but do you have a citation for this? I've been rotating 9mm for about a decade with no problems.... but I keep it very cool and dry.


Uh, modern metallic cartridges will easily last decades upon decades even when stored fairly haphazardly. Why on earth would you think they expire? I have plenty of ammo from the late 19th century that works just fine, but it's worth too much to shoot if it's in the original packaging.
 
2013-06-08 05:01:55 PM

MFAWG: Seriously, there is no way all these knuckleheads can actually USE all the ammunition they're apparently hoarding. What's the shelf life of a 9mm round? 5 or 6 years?


Bullets have a pretty much indefinite shelf life as long as they are kept dry.  I've shot bullets that are leftovers from World War 2 with no problems.
 
2013-06-08 05:02:20 PM

Mrbogey: The elephant in the living room of the US gun debate is that, with so much stockpiling of ammo, do those hoping to enact a widespread ban of semi-automatics really think these folks will turn it all over?


No. We won't.
 
2013-06-08 05:04:32 PM

Marcus Aurelius: CapeFearCadaver: When the f*ck is this sh*t going to die down? Because I really need to get some more ammo yet refuse to spend 4x the amount it's worth.

CSS: like a week before all this sh*t I finally had saved up to get the 9mm I'd been wanted, but was planning on going on a certain day because of a friend who needed to go to the gun shop too... yep.... saw the line, called and asked, the one I wanted was sold out, but he could put my name on a list to order one for almost double what it originally cost.

My local WalMart is swimming in 9mm.


I haven't seen 9mm locally in months. 45 and 40 are always around. So I sold my 9mm.
 
2013-06-08 05:06:26 PM

MFAWG: pxlboy: MFAWG: DrRatchet: Marcus Aurelius: My local WalMart is swimming in 9mm.

Yah, walmart. If your local seems extra-dry, ask around the sproting goods department about which employee is buying the stock and is willing to sell privately ... Then report the asshole to Walmart Corporate. They are having a problem with this.

Really? Why would WalMart have a problem with capitalism and the entrepreneurial spirit of America?

Because someone else is making money?

D'oh! Of course!

Seriously, there is no way all these knuckleheads can actually USE all the ammunition they're apparently hoarding. What's the shelf life of a 9mm round? 5 or 6 years?


Stuff like that can last decades.
 
2013-06-08 05:11:43 PM
Wouldn't you like to be a prepper too?
 
2013-06-08 05:12:50 PM
My friend told me suppliers were getting tight last year and suggested that I stock up. I Didn't listen. I have home defense ammo, but range ammo is hard to find and not cheap.
 
2013-06-08 05:13:04 PM
My lord.  We're helping the anti-gun nuts, not to be confused with those who are just anti-gun.

Oh wait, what's this we. I don't own a gun.  Maybe I should join the ammo buying spree though.
 
2013-06-08 05:14:17 PM

MFAWG: pxlboy: MFAWG: DrRatchet: Marcus Aurelius: My local WalMart is swimming in 9mm.

Yah, walmart. If your local seems extra-dry, ask around the sproting goods department about which employee is buying the stock and is willing to sell privately ... Then report the asshole to Walmart Corporate. They are having a problem with this.

Really? Why would WalMart have a problem with capitalism and the entrepreneurial spirit of America?

Because someone else is making money?

D'oh! Of course!

Seriously, there is no way all these knuckleheads can actually USE all the ammunition they're apparently hoarding. What's the shelf life of a 9mm round? 5 or 6 years?


I'll gladly buy your EXPIRED ammo. ;-)

/ dolt.
 
2013-06-08 05:17:03 PM

part of the problem: MFAWG: . What's the shelf life of a 9mm round? 5 or 6 years?
Not being snarky.... but do you have a citation for this? I've been rotating 9mm for about a decade with no problems.... but I keep it very cool and dry.


Wait there is a shelf life? I can't take a gun that has been sitting in a draw for ten years and shoot someone with it?
Should I go with plan B?
 
2013-06-08 05:17:11 PM

drewogatory: MFAWG


I think he thinks the current plan that some think the government is trying to get going, is already in effect.  Future president Insert Name came back in time and helped Obama put a time limit on bullets rendering them useless after that time frame.
 
2013-06-08 05:19:15 PM

bmr68: My friend told me suppliers were getting tight last year and suggested that I stock up. I Didn't listen. I have home defense ammo, but range ammo is hard to find and not cheap.


Well, it may not have done all that much. I don't know that anyone (other than the crazies) expected the crazy to go on for this long. So unless you went REALLY hardcore on stocking up, might not have mattered. Like when things started to go nuts, I didn't bother. I had like 800 rounds of 9mm left (out of an original order of 1000) and had not too long ago gotten 500 rounds of 5.56mm. So no problem I thought. I mean I don't shoot all that much, maybe 1000-1500 rounds a year total, that'll easily last me until these morons settle down and things get cheap again.

Well, they still haven't settled down, and now I'm running low. Oh well, I'll just have to not go to the range for awhile.

Ultimately, don't worry. This just isn't sustainable. Not only are these people not shooting everything they buy, but they can't afford to just keep grabbing up ammo all the time, particularly at inflated prices. The CC bills will start to become a problem, and they'll have to sell some off, and as that happens, everything will snowball and return to equilibrium.
 
2013-06-08 05:19:29 PM

Mrbogey: The elephant in the living room of the US gun debate is that, with so much stockpiling of ammo, do those hoping to enact a widespread ban of semi-automatics really think these folks will turn it all over?


You sound real well informed.

Tell us all about this impending ban of all semi-automatics
 
2013-06-08 05:20:20 PM

dr_blasto: Marcus Aurelius: CapeFearCadaver: When the f*ck is this sh*t going to die down? Because I really need to get some more ammo yet refuse to spend 4x the amount it's worth.

CSS: like a week before all this sh*t I finally had saved up to get the 9mm I'd been wanted, but was planning on going on a certain day because of a friend who needed to go to the gun shop too... yep.... saw the line, called and asked, the one I wanted was sold out, but he could put my name on a list to order one for almost double what it originally cost.

My local WalMart is swimming in 9mm.

I haven't seen 9mm locally in months. 45 and 40 are always around. So I sold my 9mm.


'Round these parts I haven't seen 9mm, .40, or .45 in months at Walmart. Randomly came across a bunch of .38 special, so I picked it up for my Ruger, but aside from that, the only 9mm ammo I have is the loaded magazine of Hornady in the gun. Hell, I went and traded my Kimber for an AR since .45 was nonexistent in my area, and now the best deal I've seen on .223/5.56 is $60 per 100.
 
2013-06-08 05:20:28 PM

drewogatory: part of the problem: MFAWG: . What's the shelf life of a 9mm round? 5 or 6 years?
Not being snarky.... but do you have a citation for this? I've been rotating 9mm for about a decade with no problems.... but I keep it very cool and dry.

Uh, modern metallic cartridges will easily last decades upon decades even when stored fairly haphazardly. Why on earth would you think they expire? I have plenty of ammo from the late 19th century that works just fine, but it's worth too much to shoot if it's in the original packaging.


Most of us have a box or 2 of "wouldyalookatthat" antique ammo in the safe... I just wanted to determine if this guy was talking out of his hat and knew it, or was doing same and didn't know it.
 
2013-06-08 05:20:38 PM

MFAWG: DrRatchet: Marcus Aurelius: My local WalMart is swimming in 9mm.

Yah, walmart. If your local seems extra-dry, ask around the sproting goods department about which employee is buying the stock and is willing to sell privately ... Then report the asshole to Walmart Corporate. They are having a problem with this.

Really? Why would WalMart have a problem with capitalism and the entrepreneurial spirit of America?


I'm sure they'll have no problem when he's on the street with the rest of the proles with the same chance of getting ammo as they do, as opposed to exploiting his insider status and royally pissing off the WalMart customers. Then he'll have the same opportunity to buy all he wants and entrepreneur as much as he likes.
 
2013-06-08 05:24:15 PM

MFAWG: Seriously, there is no way all these knuckleheads can actually USE all the ammunition they're apparently hoarding. What's the shelf life of a 9mm round? 5 or 6 years?


I've got some 35-year-old .380 that shoots fine.
 
2013-06-08 05:24:39 PM

part of the problem: drewogatory: part of the problem: MFAWG: . What's the shelf life of a 9mm round? 5 or 6 years?
Not being snarky.... but do you have a citation for this? I've been rotating 9mm for about a decade with no problems.... but I keep it very cool and dry.

Uh, modern metallic cartridges will easily last decades upon decades even when stored fairly haphazardly. Why on earth would you think they expire? I have plenty of ammo from the late 19th century that works just fine, but it's worth too much to shoot if it's in the original packaging.

Most of us have a box or 2 of "wouldyalookatthat" antique ammo in the safe... I just wanted to determine if this guy was talking out of his hat and knew it, or was doing same and didn't know it.


I, in fact, have a box sitting here on my desk, hah!
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2013-06-08 05:24:51 PM

sycraft: bmr68: My friend told me suppliers were getting tight last year and suggested that I stock up. I Didn't listen. I have home defense ammo, but range ammo is hard to find and not cheap.

Well, it may not have done all that much. I don't know that anyone (other than the crazies) expected the crazy to go on for this long. So unless you went REALLY hardcore on stocking up, might not have mattered. Like when things started to go nuts, I didn't bother. I had like 800 rounds of 9mm left (out of an original order of 1000) and had not too long ago gotten 500 rounds of 5.56mm. So no problem I thought. I mean I don't shoot all that much, maybe 1000-1500 rounds a year total, that'll easily last me until these morons settle down and things get cheap again.

Well, they still haven't settled down, and now I'm running low. Oh well, I'll just have to not go to the range for awhile.

Ultimately, don't worry. This just isn't sustainable. Not only are these people not shooting everything they buy, but they can't afford to just keep grabbing up ammo all the time, particularly at inflated prices. The CC bills will start to become a problem, and they'll have to sell some off, and as that happens, everything will snowball and return to equilibrium.


I agree, but I love shooting on Saturday mornings in the summer. Getting old doing the Friday afternoon search for target ammo.
 
2013-06-08 05:26:11 PM

basemetal: Well, that 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition ordered by DHS didn't help.


Gah. Is this trolling, or are you just stupid? DHS BUDGETED to buy 750 million rounds over five years. They order it as needed; they didn't do one gigantic bulk buy. That's no more than they've ever bought; they have 100,000 cops of various sorts among their 90 agencies, and the ammunition manufacturers have been selling it to federal police agencies at that rate forever. U.S. manufacturers make about 5-6 billion rounds a year; DHS buying 150 million rounds is less than 3 percent; a drop in the bucket.
 
2013-06-08 05:26:44 PM
It's now been over 16 years? since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.


I must be in a state of Missing Time. Why do Australians need ammunition  if they haven't got any guns?


(hate to the left) (reasonable responses to the right)


/please
 
2013-06-08 05:27:20 PM

MFAWG: pxlboy: MFAWG: DrRatchet: Marcus Aurelius: My local WalMart is swimming in 9mm.

Yah, walmart. If your local seems extra-dry, ask around the sproting goods department about which employee is buying the stock and is willing to sell privately ... Then report the asshole to Walmart Corporate. They are having a problem with this.

Really? Why would WalMart have a problem with capitalism and the entrepreneurial spirit of America?

Because someone else is making money?

D'oh! Of course!

Seriously, there is no way all these knuckleheads can actually USE all the ammunition they're apparently hoarding. What's the shelf life of a 9mm round? 5 or 6 years?


I still have surplus 8mm ammo made in the 1930's. Works fine. If ammo is kept cool and dry, it will keep just about indefinately.

I wish I could get my hands on more Australian surplus .308...ADI made some great ammo, I guess they don't make anything for their own civilian market?
 
2013-06-08 05:27:40 PM

mbillips: basemetal: Well, that 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition ordered by DHS didn't help.

Gah. Is this trolling, or are you just stupid? DHS BUDGETED to buy 750 million rounds over five years. They order it as needed; they didn't do one gigantic bulk buy. That's no more than they've ever bought; they have 100,000 cops of various sorts among their 90 agencies, and the ammunition manufacturers have been selling it to federal police agencies at that rate forever. U.S. manufacturers make about 5-6 billion rounds a year; DHS buying 150 million rounds is less than 3 percent; a drop in the bucket.


I'm gonna go with stupid. Anyone still repeating that nonsense can't be that bright.
 
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