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2013-06-08 09:45:25 AM
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untaken_name: Right, like you're really going to go do research on your own. You're going to browse a few internet sites, at best. The ones which say what you already believe, whatever that is, will seem the most credible to you. The ones that disagree with you will seem like crackpot morons. 15 whole minutes of your day gone....however would you recover?


Yup, because everyone should suddenly become climatologists and do their own experimentations to form their opinion.

Unless you happen to be a climatologist, then you are at the mercy of trusting someone else's data and conclusions.

That being said, I don't think anyone at this point can really claim the climate is not changing.  There could be some debate over what's causing it to change. But if you ask me, that debate is pointless.  Trying to be 'greener' can do nothing but good for everyone in the long run whether we are causing the climate change or not.
2013-06-08 02:14:50 PM
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indarwinsshadow: Ok. Let's put this into terms you can grasp. I really really really don't care. I don't care what your opinion is. I don't give a crap about the myriad of articles that get published for or against this. I. Don't. Care.
Clear now? Do we really need to continue to go on with this, or can you finally accept that I don't care because fark publishes this stuff week after week, the same believers come on and lay on the graphs and insults, the non believers laugh and say "how do you function being that you're so stupid". It's just a bunch of children arguing back and forth.

farking snooooorrrrreeeeeeee......


Ah, you didn't care so much that you went ahead and posted 3 times, once even looking up 2 "articles" which you thought proved your ignorant opinion correct.

You got your ass handed to you by facts, and now you're pretending you don't care about the issue at all. What are you, 12?
2013-06-08 12:42:02 PM
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Kimpak: MarkEC: Please show a time in recorded history that the climate didn't change. It would be more surprising if the climate remained static over a few decades.

I believe the problem is its rate of change.  But that isn't the main point of my post.  My point was, we can still try to be as 'green' as possible, whether the climate is changing or not.  I don't think climate change has to be an excuse to make things more efficient and clean.


It does matter though.  The price of fuel is currently based on the cost of finding, extracting, processing, and transporting it.  If burning fuel is causing climate change, then the costs associated with climate change should be factored into its price.  Otherwise we're effectively subsidizing fuel by externalizing the costs to the future.

If we don't factor that in, then there is a strong financial incentive to deny that the climate is changing, or that if it is, that the use of carbon based fuels is the cause.  Going green isn't free, and while it saves money in the long term, the costs of climate change make the magnitude of those savings extremely uncertain.  This is the biggest problem with combating climate change, in my opinion.  To really cause a shift from carbon to other greener fuels would require an increase in carbon based fuels by factoring in the future costs, which are extremely unknown.  And even if everyone agreed on them, there's still a huge incentive for people to ignore them and produce cheap fuel for short term financial gain.

I'm a huge environmentalist, and I strongly believe that people are impacting the climate, but I can't claim to be optimistic on the issue.
2013-06-08 12:03:26 PM
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MarkEC: Please show a time in recorded history that the climate didn't change. It would be more surprising if the climate remained static over a few decades.


I believe the problem is its rate of change.  But that isn't the main point of my post.  My point was, we can still try to be as 'green' as possible, whether the climate is changing or not.  I don't think climate change has to be an excuse to make things more efficient and clean.
2013-06-08 11:52:48 AM
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indarwinsshadow: MithrandirBooga: indarwinsshadow: MyRandomName: Hack Patooey: But but but, I was told global warming was a myth.  Someone please tellme what to believe so I dont have to do research on my own.

Well, a new study out of Canada is linking CFCs more closely to the warming/cooling trends of the last 3 years than.  Global Warming Scientists still can't explain the cooling in the earlier part of last century (they blame aerosols, but as there is no data it is merely conjecture, nor can they explain the last 15 years).  The CFC study may point to the climate pattern the last 30 years (data they have on CFCs).

C02 still contributes, but it may not be the primary drivers as many would like you to believe.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/cfcs-are-the-rea l- culprit-in-global-warming/story-e6frg8y6-1226655487533

Interesting theory. My own theory is that giant glowing ball of gas 93 million miles away occasionally puts out more solar radiation, which in turn heats the earth a few degrees up or down depending on the output (giving some sort of cooling or heating effect in the process, crazy as that sounds.)

Dear ice age. How the hell did you happen?

Well, no.

http://skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.h tm

The sun is experiencing a downturn in its activity levels.


Thank you, try again.

And my counter;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warmin g- stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart -prove-it.html

http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alar mi sm-192334971.html

etc, etc.

Doesn't prove jack sh*t.

There's thousands and thousands of articles on the internet that can prove whatever you possibly believe in. And that's the point. It's argument and anger over nothing.



So you say the sun is experiencing less activity. I prove you're wrong, and you counter with two articles that have nothing to do with solar activity...

Brilliant.


Anyway, here's why your counter is also amazingly wrong. Global Warming, surprisingly enough, deals with global temperatures. The "Global Warming Stopped 16 Years Ago" crowd are obsessed with a single data point, atmospheric temperature, which is only *part* of the globe. The majority of temperature increases are happening in the earths oceans. As it turns out, water holds way more heat than air due to it being a better conductor. http://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998.htm


Please try to cite actual science next time, instead of derp from The Daily Fail and Yahoo.
2013-06-08 11:47:19 AM
1 votes:
Alright, another global warming/climate change thread!

It amazes me people still don't believe in climate change.
2013-06-08 11:32:15 AM
1 votes:

indarwinsshadow: There's thousands and thousands of articles on the internet that can prove whatever you possibly believe in. And that's the point. It's argument and anger over nothing.


And that's why articles on the internet are probably not the best source for answering scientific questions.
2013-06-08 11:12:45 AM
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indarwinsshadow: MyRandomName: Hack Patooey: But but but, I was told global warming was a myth.  Someone please tellme what to believe so I dont have to do research on my own.

Well, a new study out of Canada is linking CFCs more closely to the warming/cooling trends of the last 3 years than.  Global Warming Scientists still can't explain the cooling in the earlier part of last century (they blame aerosols, but as there is no data it is merely conjecture, nor can they explain the last 15 years).  The CFC study may point to the climate pattern the last 30 years (data they have on CFCs).

C02 still contributes, but it may not be the primary drivers as many would like you to believe.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/cfcs-are-the-rea l- culprit-in-global-warming/story-e6frg8y6-1226655487533

Interesting theory. My own theory is that giant glowing ball of gas 93 million miles away occasionally puts out more solar radiation, which in turn heats the earth a few degrees up or down depending on the output (giving some sort of cooling or heating effect in the process, crazy as that sounds.)

Dear ice age. How the hell did you happen?


Well, no.

http://skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.h tm

The sun is experiencing a downturn in its activity levels.


Thank you, try again.
2013-06-08 09:21:57 AM
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But but but, I was told global warming was a myth.  Someone please tellme what to believe so I dont have to do research on my own.
 
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