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(CNN)   Has "Hope and Change" fallen to the to the level of truth as "trickle down economics"?   (cnn.com) divider line 26
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2013-06-08 08:21:08 AM
12 votes:
a shiatload of stuff has changed (obamacare, winding down two wars, financial reform, no second great depression, etc.) and i'm still way more hopeful than i would have been had a president mccain or president romney been in the WH.
2013-06-08 10:22:23 AM
5 votes:

Mrtraveler01: mikaloyd: He killed the occupy movement at least.

Obama didn't do that. Occupy did that on it's own when they failed to capitalize on their message.

Elizabeth Warren has done more to spread their message than those guys have.


What OWS did was wake up the Democratic Party and make them realize that a good chunk of the American people were tired of being screwed over by the 1% of the country that owns the GOP.

Don't think for a second that his 2012 election strat of 'tax the rich' would have happened if it wasn't for the OWS movement.

OWS made the Democrats realize that there's support for regulation of Wall Street and forcing the rich to do more for their country.

Now, on topic:

No. The GOP 'wants' to discredit 'hope and change'.  They've been trying to do that for 5 years now.  They want the American people to get cynical and distrustful of the Obama WH.  And it bothers them that we're not holding Obama with as much distaste as we did GWB, but they can't and won't understand the differences between the two.
2013-06-08 08:34:22 AM
5 votes:
Butthurt much? Republicans were all for giving up civil liberties in the name of security when Bush was in charge. We told you we'd never get that Geni back in the bottle.

Also, trickle-down economics as always a cynical lie designed to enrich the rich. The Patriot Act was a misguided panic reaction to 9/11. Very different things, but both were Republican brain-children.
2013-06-08 08:40:36 AM
3 votes:

FlashHarry: a shiatload of stuff has changed (obamacare, winding down two wars, financial reform, no second great depression, etc.) and i'm still way more hopeful than i would have been had a president mccain or president romney been in the WH.


This.
2013-06-08 07:53:52 AM
3 votes:
It's way, way, way, way harder to convince and prod and push the US government towards self-serving decision that are easy than massive changes which are disruptive.

Hell, on top of that, the people don't want to deal with it. They just want things to be improved through no action or effort of their own.

We're a lazy, ignorant people who have created exactly the government we deserve.
2013-06-08 11:17:25 AM
2 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: jcooli09: It's something that you should expect from every president for the next generation.  It's now the default position, and it won't go away until the next great president is elected or we have another revolution.  Neither of those will happen through conservatism.

I guess I just don't understand how Dems can rage and protest when Dubya does it, but when Obama does it all I see is "meh, we should expect this from now on".

Seems hypocritical.


When bush did it he set the precedent, it's part of his legacy that it will take a great president to undo it.

I don't rage against Obama doing it because I expected him to continue it, not because I don't mind it.  I never expected Obama to be a great president, I hoped he would contain the damage republicans have been doing to the country since 1980.  He's lived up to me expectations generally, not great but not bad.  About like Clinton.

The government does lots of things I don't like, many of them for years and years.  I understand that being able to undo these things is part of greatness.  I also understand that it can't be done without a loyal opposition, and the republicans haven't been that since the 70's.
2013-06-08 10:59:54 AM
2 votes:
3.bp.blogspot.com

Obamacare that is.
2013-06-08 10:07:03 AM
2 votes:
Yeah imagine that. The President isn't all powerful and can't get his agenda pushed through a racist, obstructionist, ignorant and often downright hostile Congress.
2013-06-08 10:02:20 AM
2 votes:

FlashHarry: a shiatload of stuff has changed (obamacare, winding down two wars, financial reform, no second great depression, etc.) and i'm still way more hopeful than i would have been had a president mccain or president romney been in the WH.


I agree.  And just because people may be outraged over certain policies and are organizing around them doesn't mean they are joining the "worst president evah!" derptards.  I keep getting the impression the media wants us to consider Obama to be either a saint or an evil monster and nothing in between.
2013-06-08 09:57:08 AM
2 votes:

sammyk: So CNN is concern trolling now?


Pretty much.  The Republican fishing expedition isn't going so well and everybody is getting pissed about how the Republicans are holding up everything and then blaming Obama for it.  It's amazing that in the span of thirteen years that the Republicans went from having a very good hold on the media to now being unable to turn opinion on anything at all.  Of course, it's also interesting how they preach one thing like 'liberal media' and then act shocked when people stop trusting that same media and find it's just loaded with more Republican nonsense.

The Republicans have several problems, but one that's coming to the forefront is how unable they are to contain their own tactics or are able to find a way to stand for something.  By placing Obama on the pedestal, they've made it all about him, and have given him the power.  Obama, more or less, has a lot of control over the Republican Party that they cannot really handle well, and it's remarkable as a social experiment to see the end result of this bigotry controlling and ruining what once was a major political party.  The Republicans are the premier example of what happens with bigotry as a whole.
2013-06-08 09:16:40 AM
2 votes:

MrBallou: Butthurt much? Republicans were all for giving up civil liberties in the name of security when Bush was in charge. We told you we'd never get that Geni back in the bottle.

Also, trickle-down economics as always a cynical lie designed to enrich the rich. The Patriot Act was a misguided panic reaction to 9/11. Very different things, but both were Republican brain-children.


THAT
2013-06-08 04:32:20 PM
1 votes:
Hobodeluxe:

I will now present the Republican response.  Calibrate your Poemeters, everyone.

1. Passed Health Care Reform:  REPEAL REPEAL REPEAL REPEALREPEALREPEALREPEALREEEEEPPEEEEAAAAALOBBBAAAAMMMAAACAARRREEE!
2. Passed the Stimulus:  Wasting government money on Solyndra.  Free market!  Freedom!  Lower taxes would have done better!
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: More job-killing regulations!
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Cut and ran like a crying libtard baby.
5. Began Draw-down of Afghanistan Troops:  See #4
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: He couldn't have done it without Dubya laying the groundwork, and information gained by waterboarding.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: *puts on Quote Mining helmet and grabs the pickaxe* The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment.
8. Recapitalized Banks:  ...and?
9. Repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell":  *censored due to homophobic undertones*
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: No American lives were lost.  Therefore, WHAT ABOUT BENGHAZI?
11. Told Mubarak to Go:  Barack, Mubarak, Obama, Osama, Hussein, Hussein...STUDY IT OUT, SHEEPLE!
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: But Gitmo is still open, so no he didn't.
13. Improved America's Image Abroad: But who gives a damn what people from other countries think?  USA!  USA!
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending:  College?  Loans?  What are those?
15. Created Race to the Top: We're not playing unless you agree to Teach The Controversy.
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Hey listen, libtardo.  If I wanna buy a car with a V-24 engine that pumps out one thousand horsepower and goes VROOOM VROOOM VROOOOOOOOOOM when I stomp on that gas pedal, then that's what I'm gonna do!  You can't stomp on Americans and tell us we all gotta drive hippiemobiles!  VROOOOOOOOOOM!
17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: But he did nothing about the bad economy!
18. Passed Mini Stimuli: Kept people on unemployment.
19. Began Asia "Pivot": Ching chong ching chinga chong.
20. Increased Support for Veterans: It's terrible how neglected veterans were in 2009.  Then Barry only wanted to increase government spending.
21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran: But didn't bomb Iran.  Therefore he's a weak leader.  You need to bomb things.
22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants: Killed the jobs of hundreds of hard-working power plant operators whose only crime was working for an older plant.
23. Passed Credit Card Reforms: Waste of time, the bootstrappy people would know better than to get into credit card debt. 
24. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws: Opened the door for every employer who ever hired women to be flooded with discrimination lawsuits.
25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court: Do I even need to mock the Republican response to Wise Latina Sotomayor?
26. Improved Food Safety System: More government spending and more regulations!
27. Achieved New START Treaty: We miss Reagan.
28. Expanded National Service: Would you like to know more?
29. Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection: Kissed hippie asses.


OK that's enough of that.  Even I can't keep up this act for that long.
2013-06-08 03:37:47 PM
1 votes:

Vinz_Clortho: thamike: No.  I'm still hoping right wing dickbags will change.  It sucks and seems useless, but that's what hope's all about, really.

Vinz_Clortho: 51. Killed Space Program.

See?  i hope this dickbag changes.

Typical lib...don't like a comment.  Resort to '5th-grade name calling'.


Why should we honor your lies with anything more than they deserve?
2013-06-08 01:20:40 PM
1 votes:
"Hope and Change" was a campaign slogan.

"Trickle-down economics" is the basis of three decades of Republican economic policy.

"Apples and oranges" doesn't even begin to cover how far apart these two phrases are.
2013-06-08 12:47:13 PM
1 votes:

MrBallou: The Patriot Act was a misguided panic reaction to 9/11.


Even at the time, it was clear that it wasn't misguided or a panic reaction; it was a very clear and carefully crafted frontal assault on our civil liberties.  Because Bush could do no wrong and because of their hatred of "The Left", covservatives were happy to go along with it.  We tried to warn you it was a bad idea.

You (the American people) made your bed.  Now lie in it, you farkers.
2013-06-08 12:23:10 PM
1 votes:

not it's not the level of "trickle down"

it's not at the level of "Iraq has restarted it's nuclear program"

it's hard to blame total obstruction hindering his agenda on him. He's given up a lot to get what little he's gotten back.
and despite that he's

1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America's long-term fiscal problems

2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide "living wills" to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers' money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.

4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Draw-down of Afghanistan Troops: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.
8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country's largest banks via "stress tests" of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their "toxic" assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.
9. Repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell": Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi's forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.
11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator's position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain "enhanced" interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.

13. Improved America's Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of "soft power") during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.

15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.
17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.
18. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011) to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.
19. Began Asia "Pivot": In 2011, reoriented American military and diplomatic priorities and focus from the Middle East and Europe to the Asian-Pacific region. Executed multipronged strategy of positively engaging China while reasserting U.S. leadership in the region by increasing American military presence and crafting new commercial, diplomatic, and military alliances with neighboring countries made uncomfortable by recent Chinese behavior.
20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.
21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran: In effort to deter Iran's nuclear program, signed Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act (2010) to punish firms and individuals who aid Iran's petroleum sector. In late 2011 and early 2012, coordinated with other major Western powers to impose sanctions aimed at Iran's banks and with Japan, South Korea, and China to shift their oil purchases away from Iran.
22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants: New EPA restrictions on mercury and toxic pollution, issued in December 2011, likely to lead to the closing of between sixty-eight and 231 of the nation's oldest and dirtiest coal-fired power plants. Estimated cost to utilities: at least $11 billion by 2016. Estimated health benefits: $59 billion to $140 billion. Will also significantly reduce carbon emissions and, with other regulations, comprises what's been called Obama's "stealth climate policy."
23. Passed Credit Card Reforms: Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009), which prohibits credit card companies from raising rates without advance notification, mandates a grace period on interest rate increases, and strictly limits overdraft and other fees.
24. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws: Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act in 2009, giving women who are paid less than men for the same work the right to sue their employers after they find out about the discrimination, even if that discrimination happened years ago. Under previous law, as interpreted by the Supreme Court in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., the statute of limitations on such suits ran out 180 days after the alleged discrimination occurred, even if the victims never knew about it.
25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court: Nominated and obtained confirmation for Sonia Sotomayor, the first Hispanic and third woman to serve, in 2009; and Elena Kagan, the fourth woman to serve, in 2010. They replaced David Souter and John Paul Stevens, respectively.
26. Improved Food Safety System: In 2011, signed FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, which boosts the Food and Drug Administration's budget by $1.4 billion and expands its regulatory responsibilities to include increasing number of food inspections, issuing direct food recalls, and reviewing the current food safety practices of countries importing products into America.
27. Achieved New START Treaty: Signed with Russia (2010) and won ratification in Congress (2011) of treaty that limits each country to 1,550 strategic warheads (down from 2,200) and 700 launchers (down from more than 1,400), and reestablished and strengthened a monitoring and transparency program that had lapsed in 2009, through which each country can monitor the other.

28. Expanded National Service: Signed Serve America Act in 2009, which authorized a tripling of the size of AmeriCorps. Program grew 13 percent to 85,000 members across the country by 2012, when new House GOP majority refused to appropriate more funds for further expansion.

29. Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection: Signed Omnibus Public Lands Management Act (2009), which designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, created thousands of miles of recreational and historic trails, and protected more than 1,000 miles of rivers.

30. Gave the FDA Power to Regulate Tobacco: Signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (2009). Nine years in the making and long resisted by the tobacco industry, the law mandates that tobacco manufacturers disclose all ingredients, obtain FDA approval for new tobacco products, and expand the size and prominence of cigarette warning labels, and bans the sale of misleadingly labeled "light" cigarette brands and tobacco sponsorship of entertainment events.
31. Pushed Federal Agencies to Be Green Leaders: Issued executive order in 2009 requiring all federal agencies to make plans to soften their environmental impacts by 2020. Goals include 30 percent reduction in fleet gasoline use, 26 percent boost in water efficiency, and sustainability requirements for 95 percent of all federal contracts. Because federal government is the country's single biggest purchaser of goods and services, likely to have ripple effects throughout the economy for years to come.
32. Passed Fair Sentencing Act: Signed 2010 legislation that reduces sentencing disparity between crack versus powder cocaine possessionfrom100 to1 to 18 to1.
33. Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense: Cut the Reagan-era "Star Wars" missile defense budget, saving $1.4 billion in 2010, and canceled plans to station antiballistic missile systems in Poland and the Czech Republic in favor of sea-based defense plan focused on Iran and North Korea.
34. Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Builddown: After winning agreement from congressional Republicans and Democrats in summer 2011 budget deal to reduce projected defense spending by $450 billion, proposed new DoD budget this year with cuts of that size and a new national defense strategy that would shrink ground forces from 570,000 to 490,000 over the next ten years while increasing programs in intelligence gathering and cyberwarfare.
35. Let Space Shuttle Die and Killed Planned Moon Mission: Allowed the expensive ($1 billion per launch), badly designed, dangerous shuttle program to make its final launch on July 8, 2011. Cut off funding for even more bloated and problem-plagued Bush-era Constellation program to build moon base in favor of support for private-sector low-earth orbit ventures, research on new rocket technologies for long-distance manned flight missions, and unmanned space exploration, including the largest interplanetary rover ever launched, which will investigate Mars's potential to support life.

36. Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology: As part of the 2009 stimulus, invested $90 billion, more than any previous administration, in research on smart grids, energy efficiency, electric cars, renewable electricity generation, cleaner coal, and biofuels.
37. Crafting Next-Generation School Tests: Devoted $330 million in stimulus money to pay two consortia of states and universities to create competing versions of new K-12 student performance tests based on latest psychometric research. New tests could transform the learning environment in vast majority of public school classrooms beginning in 2014.
38. Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges: In effort to fight predatory practices of some for-profit colleges, Department of Education issued "gainful employment" regulations in 2011 cutting off commercially focused schools from federal student aid funding if more than 35 percent of former students aren't paying off their loans and/or if the average former student spends more than 12 percent of his or her total earnings servicing student loans.

39. Improved School Nutrition: In coordination with Michelle Obama, signed Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act in 2010 mandating $4.5 billion spending boost and higher nutritional and health standards for school lunches. New rules based on the law, released in January, double the amount of fruits and vegetables and require only whole grains in food served to students.
40. Expanded Hate Crimes Protections: Signed Hate Crimes Prevention Act (2009), which expands existing hate crime protections to include crimes based on a victim's sexual orientation, gender, or disability, in addition to race, color, religion, or national origin.
41. Avoided Scandal: As of November 2011, served longer than any president in decades without a scandal, as measured by the appearance of the word "scandal" (or lack thereof) on the front page of the Washington Post.
42. Brokered Agreement for Speedy Compensation to Victims of Gulf Oil Spill: Though lacking statutory power to compel British Petroleum to act, used moral authority of his office to convince oil company to agree in 2010 to a $20 billion fund to compensate victims of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico; $6.5 billion already paid out without lawsuits. By comparison, it took nearly two decades for plaintiffs in the Exxon Valdez Alaska oil spill case to receive $1.3 billion.
43. Created Recovery.gov: Web site run by independent board of inspectors general looking for fraud and abuse in stimulus spending, provides public with detailed information on every contract funded by $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Thanks partly to this transparency, board has uncovered very little fraud, and Web site has become national model: "The stimulus has done more to promote transparency at almost all levels of government than any piece of legislation in recent memory," reports Governing magazine.
44. Pushed Broadband Coverage: Proposed and obtained in 2011 Federal Communications Commission approval for a shift of $8 billion in subsidies away from landlines and toward broadband Internet for lower-income rural families.
45. Expanded Health Coverage for Children: Signed 2009 Children's Health Insurance Authorization Act, which allows the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to cover health care for 4 million more children, paid for by a tax increase on tobacco products.
46. Recognized the Dangers of Carbon Dioxide: In 2009, EPA declared carbon dioxide a pollutant, allowing the agency to regulate its production.

47. Expanded Stem Cell Research: In 2009, eliminated the Bush-era restrictions on embryonic stem cell research, which shows promise in treating spinal injuries, among many other areas.

48. Provided Payment to Wronged Minority Farmers: In 2009, signed Claims Resolution Act, which provided $4.6 billion in funding for a legal settlement with black and Native American farmers who the government cheated out of loans and natural resource royalties in years past.

49. Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Appointed two envoys to Sudan and personally attended a special UN meeting on the area. Through U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice, helped negotiate a peaceful split in 2011.
50. Killed the F-22: In 2009, ended further purchases of Lockheed Martin single-seat, twin-engine, fighter aircraft, which cost $358 million apiece. Though the military had 187 built, the plane has never flown a single combat mission. Eliminating it saved $4 billion.


2013-06-08 11:34:32 AM
1 votes:

firesign: "Has fallen to the level as"?
"to the to the"?

...why do conservative trolls always get such a raging hard-on about their point that they can't even think enough to type a simple sentence correctly?


Sloppy language often belies sloppy thought. Everyone makes a typo from time to time, but when I see people who consistently butcher the language I conclude that they are simply not very bright. And although such people come from all over the political spectrum, people representing certain political beliefs seem to be consistently over-represented among them.
2013-06-08 11:26:45 AM
1 votes:

Infernalist: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Infernalist: It's a bit silly to rage about Obamacare

I'm not raging about Obamacare.  I'm saying "if you don't have insurance you are voluntarily being an idiot" is a stupid thing to say, and it used to be exclusively a GOP position.  And Dems who adopt that position just to circle-the-wagons on Obamacare should be ashamed of themselves.

Ah, that makes more sense.  You're pissed off at the people who aren't aware of what the GOP is doing to hamstring the ACA.

That's more reasonable.



He's merely trying to illustrate that both sides are bad. You're supposed to do something after realizing that, but it escapes me. However, I think it rhymes with "Goat Republican."
2013-06-08 11:14:24 AM
1 votes:
The Hope was a change from what the Republicans offered. The Change was the Hope that we could get Congress to do things for the American people, that only happened for a year or so.

No, Obama is not Rushmore material. But he's a damn sight better than the Republican alternatives.
2013-06-08 11:11:09 AM
1 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Mrtraveler01: Erebus1954: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x258]

Obamacare that is.

Technically it's not a tax for me because I'm not a moron and already have health insurance.

Yes, all those people who can't find full-time work with health insurance are such  morons.


It's been explained numerous times.  If you don't make enough money to get insurance on your own, you'll qualify for a government-subsidized insurance.  If you make within 133% of the poverty level, you can enroll in Medicaid.

The only people who get hit with the 'tax' penalty are the people who do make enough money to pay for insurance and decide not to get it.
2013-06-08 11:05:24 AM
1 votes:

Erebus1954: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x258]

Obamacare that is.


Technically it's not a tax for me because I'm not a moron and already have health insurance.
2013-06-08 10:57:07 AM
1 votes:
Am I the only one who expects our government to do this but am only disappointed they can't keep it a secret?
2013-06-08 10:47:12 AM
1 votes:

MyRandomName: Bendal: Yeah imagine that. The President isn't all powerful and can't get his agenda pushed through a racist, obstructionist, ignorant and often downright hostile Congress.

OMG, a president has to work with a Congress that may not simply rubber stamp his proposals!  This has never happened before!  Reagan never worked with Tip O'Niel.  Clinton never worked with Gingrich.  Bush II never worked with Ted Kennedy!  This has never happened before!!!

Liberals really are an uninformed bunch.


The GOP has and never had any intentions on working with the Obama WH.  They wasted 3 years trying to work with the Congress.  The GOP voted down their own bills when Obama changed his mind and supported those bills.

And you know this.
2013-06-08 10:45:57 AM
1 votes:

Bendal: Yeah imagine that. The President isn't all powerful and can't get his agenda pushed through a racist, obstructionist, ignorant and often downright hostile Congress.


OMG, a president has to work with a Congress that may not simply rubber stamp his proposals!  This has never happened before!  Reagan never worked with Tip O'Niel.  Clinton never worked with Gingrich.  Bush II never worked with Ted Kennedy!  This has never happened before!!!

Liberals really are an uninformed bunch.
2013-06-08 10:27:21 AM
1 votes:

Kumana Wanalaia: David Brooks said that running metadata through an algorithm to look for flags is not troubling.  But of course righties need to make hay, so here we are.

Echelon NO CARRIER


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http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2013/06/the-nsa-veri zo n-scandal.html

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/nsa-verizon-call-records/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/06/1214128/-Government-collect in g-Americans-phone-records-under-secret-court-order

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/ACLU, The New Yorker, Wired.com, DailyKos.com, Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Senator Mark Udall (D-CO)
//just some righties making hay
2013-06-08 10:10:05 AM
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burning_bridge: Yeah well that's what happens when "hope and change" hit the brick wall of minority opposition at all costs and damn the consequences.


no, this article has actually zero to do with obstructionism. Look for another prop in the Big Old Lefty Bag of Deflective Tricks
 
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