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(CNN)   Has "Hope and Change" fallen to the to the level of truth as "trickle down economics"?   (cnn.com) divider line 164
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2013-06-08 07:53:52 AM  
It's way, way, way, way harder to convince and prod and push the US government towards self-serving decision that are easy than massive changes which are disruptive.

Hell, on top of that, the people don't want to deal with it. They just want things to be improved through no action or effort of their own.

We're a lazy, ignorant people who have created exactly the government we deserve.
 
2013-06-08 08:21:08 AM  
a shiatload of stuff has changed (obamacare, winding down two wars, financial reform, no second great depression, etc.) and i'm still way more hopeful than i would have been had a president mccain or president romney been in the WH.
 
2013-06-08 08:34:22 AM  
Butthurt much? Republicans were all for giving up civil liberties in the name of security when Bush was in charge. We told you we'd never get that Geni back in the bottle.

Also, trickle-down economics as always a cynical lie designed to enrich the rich. The Patriot Act was a misguided panic reaction to 9/11. Very different things, but both were Republican brain-children.
 
2013-06-08 08:40:36 AM  

FlashHarry: a shiatload of stuff has changed (obamacare, winding down two wars, financial reform, no second great depression, etc.) and i'm still way more hopeful than i would have been had a president mccain or president romney been in the WH.


This.
 
2013-06-08 09:11:39 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: FlashHarry: a shiatload of stuff has changed (obamacare, winding down two wars, financial reform, no second great depression, etc.) and i'm still way more hopeful than i would have been had a president mccain or president romney been in the WH.

This.


I second that.
 And typical moronic conservitard post- lets compare two completely different things and say they are the same!
 
2013-06-08 09:14:52 AM  
So CNN is concern trolling now?
 
2013-06-08 09:16:40 AM  

MrBallou: Butthurt much? Republicans were all for giving up civil liberties in the name of security when Bush was in charge. We told you we'd never get that Geni back in the bottle.

Also, trickle-down economics as always a cynical lie designed to enrich the rich. The Patriot Act was a misguided panic reaction to 9/11. Very different things, but both were Republican brain-children.


THAT
 
2013-06-08 09:53:32 AM  
"Has fallen to the level as"?
"to the to the"?

...why do conservative trolls always get such a raging hard-on about their point that they can't even think enough to type a simple sentence correctly?
 
2013-06-08 09:53:53 AM  
The simple truth is, all politicians are self-serving assclowns. Another simple truth is that this particular assclown is a far better choice than what was offered as an alternative in the two previous elections. I think Hope and Change are alive and well.

Republicans: If you really want to have one of yours elected as president, try putting forth someone who isn't certifiably insane or a corporate goon. And good luck with that.
 
2013-06-08 09:57:08 AM  

sammyk: So CNN is concern trolling now?


Pretty much.  The Republican fishing expedition isn't going so well and everybody is getting pissed about how the Republicans are holding up everything and then blaming Obama for it.  It's amazing that in the span of thirteen years that the Republicans went from having a very good hold on the media to now being unable to turn opinion on anything at all.  Of course, it's also interesting how they preach one thing like 'liberal media' and then act shocked when people stop trusting that same media and find it's just loaded with more Republican nonsense.

The Republicans have several problems, but one that's coming to the forefront is how unable they are to contain their own tactics or are able to find a way to stand for something.  By placing Obama on the pedestal, they've made it all about him, and have given him the power.  Obama, more or less, has a lot of control over the Republican Party that they cannot really handle well, and it's remarkable as a social experiment to see the end result of this bigotry controlling and ruining what once was a major political party.  The Republicans are the premier example of what happens with bigotry as a whole.
 
2013-06-08 10:02:20 AM  

FlashHarry: a shiatload of stuff has changed (obamacare, winding down two wars, financial reform, no second great depression, etc.) and i'm still way more hopeful than i would have been had a president mccain or president romney been in the WH.


I agree.  And just because people may be outraged over certain policies and are organizing around them doesn't mean they are joining the "worst president evah!" derptards.  I keep getting the impression the media wants us to consider Obama to be either a saint or an evil monster and nothing in between.
 
2013-06-08 10:03:36 AM  
Subby,

1) try to learn to write a single coherent sentence,
2) stop whining that your side doesn't win every single election,
3) yes Obama has continued what Dubya began, both are to blame, but nobody buys that Obama started it
 
2013-06-08 10:07:03 AM  
Yeah imagine that. The President isn't all powerful and can't get his agenda pushed through a racist, obstructionist, ignorant and often downright hostile Congress.
 
2013-06-08 10:07:57 AM  
Yeah well that's what happens when "hope and change" hit the brick wall of minority opposition at all costs and damn the consequences.
 
2013-06-08 10:09:11 AM  
He killed the occupy movement at least.
 
2013-06-08 10:09:40 AM  

Xythero: FlashHarry: a shiatload of stuff has changed (obamacare, winding down two wars, financial reform, no second great depression, etc.) and i'm still way more hopeful than i would have been had a president mccain or president romney been in the WH.

I agree.  And just because people may be outraged over certain policies and are organizing around them doesn't mean they are joining the "worst president evah!" derptards.  I keep getting the impression the media wants us to consider Obama to be either a saint or an evil monster and nothing in between.


There's a certain subset (in the media, in whatever) where things are the polar extremes, and there are no middle ground. The same way that if you aren't on one team, then you MUST be on the other, etc.

Once again, the GOP sure changes its tune about power and authority when they aren't in control of it. Remember when the spying thing was A-OK? But then, if you notice, most of Congress appears to be silent on this matter (Republicans AND Dems).
 
2013-06-08 10:10:05 AM  

burning_bridge: Yeah well that's what happens when "hope and change" hit the brick wall of minority opposition at all costs and damn the consequences.


no, this article has actually zero to do with obstructionism. Look for another prop in the Big Old Lefty Bag of Deflective Tricks
 
2013-06-08 10:10:14 AM  
Right, subby.  Because we don't all ride unicorns to work on roads made of rainbows, Obama is exactly like Bush and nothing has changed, la la la la la la la la cant hear you.

Good luck with that.
 
2013-06-08 10:10:26 AM  

mikaloyd: He killed the occupy movement at least.


Obama didn't do that. Occupy did that on it's own when they failed to capitalize on their message.

Elizabeth Warren has done more to spread their message than those guys have.
 
2013-06-08 10:11:06 AM  
This all seems very familiar and Deja vu ish
 
2013-06-08 10:11:14 AM  
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2013-06-08 10:12:59 AM  

skullkrusher: burning_bridge: Yeah well that's what happens when "hope and change" hit the brick wall of minority opposition at all costs and damn the consequences.

no, this article has actually zero to do with obstructionism. Look for another prop in the Big Old Lefty Bag of Deflective Tricks


Record usage of filibuster is me deflecting?  Yeah, sure pal.  Tell me, are the clouds made of cotton candy in the world you live in?
 
2013-06-08 10:13:26 AM  

skullkrusher: burning_bridge: Yeah well that's what happens when "hope and change" hit the brick wall of minority opposition at all costs and damn the consequences.

no, this article has actually zero to do with obstructionism. Look for another prop in the Big Old Fark Lefty Bag of Deflective Tricks


want to be fair to actual lefties
 
2013-06-08 10:14:25 AM  

burning_bridge: skullkrusher: burning_bridge: Yeah well that's what happens when "hope and change" hit the brick wall of minority opposition at all costs and damn the consequences.

no, this article has actually zero to do with obstructionism. Look for another prop in the Big Old Lefty Bag of Deflective Tricks

Record usage of filibuster is me deflecting?  Yeah, sure pal.  Tell me, are the clouds made of cotton candy in the world you live in?


Did you read TFA or is this just a reflexive reaction from deep within the reptilian core of your brain?
 
2013-06-08 10:17:20 AM  
"Hope and Change" didn't give the wealthy massive tax breaks, so no, no it's not.
 
2013-06-08 10:18:39 AM  
David Brooks said that running metadata through an algorithm to look for flags is not troubling.  But of course righties need to make hay, so here we are.

Echelon NO CARRIER
 
2013-06-08 10:19:17 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: "Hope and Change" didn't give the wealthy massive tax breaks, so no, no it's not.


hmm... so we're up to saying people earning $400k aren't wealthy now. I guess that's progress.
 
2013-06-08 10:20:59 AM  

skullkrusher: Marcus Aurelius: "Hope and Change" didn't give the wealthy massive tax breaks, so no, no it's not.

hmm... so we're up to saying people earning $400k aren't wealthy now. I guess that's progress.


As Chris Rock says, Shaq is rich. The man who signs his checks is wealthy.
 
2013-06-08 10:22:23 AM  

Mrtraveler01: mikaloyd: He killed the occupy movement at least.

Obama didn't do that. Occupy did that on it's own when they failed to capitalize on their message.

Elizabeth Warren has done more to spread their message than those guys have.


What OWS did was wake up the Democratic Party and make them realize that a good chunk of the American people were tired of being screwed over by the 1% of the country that owns the GOP.

Don't think for a second that his 2012 election strat of 'tax the rich' would have happened if it wasn't for the OWS movement.

OWS made the Democrats realize that there's support for regulation of Wall Street and forcing the rich to do more for their country.

Now, on topic:

No. The GOP 'wants' to discredit 'hope and change'.  They've been trying to do that for 5 years now.  They want the American people to get cynical and distrustful of the Obama WH.  And it bothers them that we're not holding Obama with as much distaste as we did GWB, but they can't and won't understand the differences between the two.
 
2013-06-08 10:23:06 AM  
Alternate Earth: Is Obama weak on intelligence? Why is Obama doing nothing to prevent another attack? Are we less safe under Obama?
 
2013-06-08 10:23:39 AM  

Lackofname: There's a certain subset (in the media, in whatever) where things are the polar extremes, and there are no middle ground. The same way that if you aren't on one team, then you MUST be on the other, etc.


I just feel like we are being told to either throw his whole presidency out the window because it wasn't worth it, or to give him pass on this because a Republican president would have been worse. If you're angry and organize around this then you've joined the hate Obama team so lets appeal Obamacare and cut taxes while we're at it!
 
2013-06-08 10:23:56 AM  

skullkrusher: burning_bridge: skullkrusher: burning_bridge: Yeah well that's what happens when "hope and change" hit the brick wall of minority opposition at all costs and damn the consequences.

no, this article has actually zero to do with obstructionism. Look for another prop in the Big Old Lefty Bag of Deflective Tricks

Record usage of filibuster is me deflecting?  Yeah, sure pal.  Tell me, are the clouds made of cotton candy in the world you live in?

Did you read TFA or is this just a reflexive reaction from deep within the reptilian core of your brain?


"The article isn't about the filibuster therefore it doesn't count therefore the dems can't claim that there is any obstructionism."  That about sum up what you were thinking?  Can't win the argument so you'll define its parameters?  Keep trying.  Maybe if you think more you'll actually have an intelligent thought.
 
2013-06-08 10:27:21 AM  

Kumana Wanalaia: David Brooks said that running metadata through an algorithm to look for flags is not troubling.  But of course righties need to make hay, so here we are.

Echelon NO CARRIER


https://www.aclu.org/secure/sem-emergency-action-stop-massive-govern me nt-spying-americans?ms=gad_SEM_Google_Search-VerizonNSA_na_nsa%20veriz on_b_26162556622

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2013/06/the-nsa-veri zo n-scandal.html

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/nsa-verizon-call-records/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/06/1214128/-Government-collect in g-Americans-phone-records-under-secret-court-order

upload.wikimedia.org

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/ACLU, The New Yorker, Wired.com, DailyKos.com, Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Senator Mark Udall (D-CO)
//just some righties making hay
 
2013-06-08 10:28:50 AM  
I would've (and still would) liked to have seen Democrats AND Republicans in charge grow a pair regarding this nonsense, but it's only being blown out of proportion right now because .. well, look at all the other "scandals."

Throw it on the wall. See if it sticks.
 
2013-06-08 10:29:25 AM  

burning_bridge: "The article isn't about the filibuster therefore it doesn't count therefore the dems can't claim that there is any obstructionism." That about sum up what you were thinking? Can't win the argument so you'll define its parameters? Keep trying. Maybe if you think more you'll actually have an intelligent thought.


so your defense on this topic is something that has nothing whatsoever to do with it... (hint: that's what deflection is, Aristotle) and I'm the one looking for an intelligent thought?
 
2013-06-08 10:31:37 AM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Alternate Earth: Is Obama weak on intelligence? Why is Obama doing nothing to prevent another attack? Are we less safe under Obama?


jesus. no shiat.

for many, many years, america was safe, protected by two oceans, while the rest of the world dealt with terrorism. if you lived in europe, you knew that a bomb could go off any time, whether from baader meinhof or the red brigades or the IRA or whatever. cops carried machine guns and cars were searched. you dealt with it. now, after 9/11, we're finally dealing with the inconveniences that are necessary for protection. as long as they're not actually listening to conversations or using this stuff to go after non-terroristic crimes, then i think it's probably worth the tradeoff. i'm not saying i like it; i'm just saying that i prefer it to being blown up.
 
2013-06-08 10:32:57 AM  

sammyk: So CNN is concern trolling now?


[JAMES EARL JONES VOICE]

This.... is CNN trying to be like Fox News!

[/JAMES EARL JONES VOICE]
 
2013-06-08 10:33:27 AM  

FlashHarry: Kumana Wanalaia: Alternate Earth: Is Obama weak on intelligence? Why is Obama doing nothing to prevent another attack? Are we less safe under Obama?

jesus. no shiat.

for many, many years, america was safe, protected by two oceans, while the rest of the world dealt with terrorism. if you lived in europe, you knew that a bomb could go off any time, whether from baader meinhof or the red brigades or the IRA or whatever. cops carried machine guns and cars were searched. you dealt with it. now, after 9/11, we're finally dealing with the inconveniences that are necessary for protection. as long as they're not actually listening to conversations or using this stuff to go after non-terroristic crimes, then i think it's probably worth the tradeoff. i'm not saying i like it; i'm just saying that i prefer it to being blown up.


Are those really our only two options?  Give up privacy or get blown up?
 
2013-06-08 10:34:20 AM  

Infernalist: Mrtraveler01: mikaloyd: He killed the occupy movement at least.

Obama didn't do that. Occupy did that on it's own when they failed to capitalize on their message.

Elizabeth Warren has done more to spread their message than those guys have.

What OWS did was wake up the Democratic Party and make them realize that a good chunk of the American people were tired of being screwed over by the 1% of the country that owns the GOP.

Don't think for a second that his 2012 election strat of 'tax the rich' would have happened if it wasn't for the OWS movement.

OWS made the Democrats realize that there's support for regulation of Wall Street and forcing the rich to do more for their country.

Now, on topic:

No. The GOP 'wants' to discredit 'hope and change'.  They've been trying to do that for 5 years now.  They want the American people to get cynical and distrustful of the Obama WH.  And it bothers them that we're not holding Obama with as much distaste as we did GWB, but they can't and won't understand the differences between the two.


Occupy raped and looted for a few months. They also tried to blow up a bridge in Ohio. Obama unleashed the Feds and police brutality to squash the movement. Obama killed occupy Wall Street.
 
2013-06-08 10:36:59 AM  
Dems in 2012: Vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reps in 2012: Don't vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reality: Obama becomes even more conservative in his second term.
 
2013-06-08 10:37:51 AM  

Infernalist: No. The GOP 'wants' to discredit 'hope and change'. They've been trying to do that for 5 years now. They want the American people to get cynical and distrustful of the Obama WH. And it bothers them that we're not holding Obama with as much distaste as we did GWB, but they can't and won't understand the differences between the two.


They can't and won't because they're in a pickle:  They can't go back to Nixon, Reagan's been overplayed, H.W. Bush got defeated by Clinton, and Dubya is such a gigantic failure that he pretty much no longer exists.  The Republicans really have no good past to look back towards, so they're going after Obama to fit their naive and pathetic 'both sides are the same' nonsense that anybody can see won't work when you're dealing with Dubya's pathetic legacy.
 
2013-06-08 10:38:38 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Dems in 2012: Vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reps in 2012: Don't vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reality: Obama becomes even more conservative in his second term.


I didn't think he'd become more liberal because we'd still have the GOP House stonewalling every effort to do so.

If you haven't realized that Obama is governing from the Center yet, then you might be a moron.
 
2013-06-08 10:41:07 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Dems in 2012: Vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reps in 2012: Don't vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reality: Obama becomes even more conservative in his second term.


LouDobbsAwaaaay will still breathlessly defend him at every t urn

Mrtraveler01: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Dems in 2012: Vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reps in 2012: Don't vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reality: Obama becomes even more conservative in his second term.

I didn't think he'd become more liberal because we'd still have the GOP House stonewalling every effort to do so.

If you haven't realized that Obama is governing from the Center yet, then you might be a moron.


there is no "might" when talking about LouDobbsAway in such a sense.
 
2013-06-08 10:41:26 AM  

Mrtraveler01: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Dems in 2012: Vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reps in 2012: Don't vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reality: Obama becomes even more conservative in his second term.

I didn't think he'd become more liberal because we'd still have the GOP House stonewalling every effort to do so.

If you haven't realized that Obama is governing from the Center yet, then you might be a moron.


I knew he was governing from the center from the start.  Hell, I think he even did a couple of speeches referring to the fact that Americans, most Americans, vote from the center.

That said, the American people 'are' moving further to the left.  The shocking shift on gay marriage is only the most obvious of these moves.  There's also the support for stronger regulation of Wall Street, the huge support for higher taxes and the support for the ACA when you strip away the rhetoric and names that they've been conditioned to hate on.
 
2013-06-08 10:43:15 AM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Alternate Earth: Is Obama weak on intelligence? Why is Obama doing nothing to prevent another attack? Are we less safe under Obama?


And we're done.
 
2013-06-08 10:43:55 AM  

MrBallou: Butthurt much? Republicans were all for giving up civil liberties in the name of security when Bush was in charge. We told you we'd never get that Geni back in the bottle.

Also, trickle-down economics as always a cynical lie designed to enrich the rich. The Patriot Act was a misguided panic reaction to 9/11. Very different things, but both were Republican brain-children.


We?  Do liberals intentionally forget what the vote call was passing the Patriot Act?  Even in 2011 when Obama re-authorized it?

Liberals have a fun time rewriting history.
 
2013-06-08 10:44:14 AM  

ghare: Kumana Wanalaia: Alternate Earth: Is Obama weak on intelligence? Why is Obama doing nothing to prevent another attack? Are we less safe under Obama?

And we're done.


if your goal is partisansh... oh,  wait, of course that's your goal.
 
2013-06-08 10:45:07 AM  

MyRandomName: MrBallou: Butthurt much? Republicans were all for giving up civil liberties in the name of security when Bush was in charge. We told you we'd never get that Geni back in the bottle.

Also, trickle-down economics as always a cynical lie designed to enrich the rich. The Patriot Act was a misguided panic reaction to 9/11. Very different things, but both were Republican brain-children.

We?  Do liberals intentionally forget what the vote call was passing the Patriot Act?  Even in 2011 when Obama re-authorized it?

Liberals have a fun time rewriting history.


I love the fact that you're saying 'Democrats are just as bad as the GOP!' and you think it's a solid retort.
 
2013-06-08 10:45:15 AM  

MyRandomName: MrBallou: Butthurt much? Republicans were all for giving up civil liberties in the name of security when Bush was in charge. We told you we'd never get that Geni back in the bottle.

Also, trickle-down economics as always a cynical lie designed to enrich the rich. The Patriot Act was a misguided panic reaction to 9/11. Very different things, but both were Republican brain-children.

We?  Do liberals intentionally forget what the vote call was passing the Patriot Act?  Even in 2011 when Obama re-authorized it?

Liberals have a fun time rewriting history.


It's true. Both sides were bad.

Now what?
 
2013-06-08 10:45:57 AM  

Bendal: Yeah imagine that. The President isn't all powerful and can't get his agenda pushed through a racist, obstructionist, ignorant and often downright hostile Congress.


OMG, a president has to work with a Congress that may not simply rubber stamp his proposals!  This has never happened before!  Reagan never worked with Tip O'Niel.  Clinton never worked with Gingrich.  Bush II never worked with Ted Kennedy!  This has never happened before!!!

Liberals really are an uninformed bunch.
 
2013-06-08 10:46:26 AM  

Mrtraveler01: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Dems in 2012: Vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reps in 2012: Don't vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reality: Obama becomes even more conservative in his second term.

I didn't think he'd become more liberal because we'd still have the GOP House stonewalling every effort to do so.

If you haven't realized that Obama is governing from the Center yet, then you might be a moron.


The Dem rallying cry in 2012 was "Obama will be tougher in his second term, because he'll no longer have re-election to worry about."  Also the Rep rallying cry, from the "Here comes the Muslin!" perspective.

In truth, he just became more Republican, which is the only trick he's ever really been able to manage.  Repackaging old Republican ideas as new Democratic ideas.
 
2013-06-08 10:47:12 AM  

MyRandomName: Bendal: Yeah imagine that. The President isn't all powerful and can't get his agenda pushed through a racist, obstructionist, ignorant and often downright hostile Congress.

OMG, a president has to work with a Congress that may not simply rubber stamp his proposals!  This has never happened before!  Reagan never worked with Tip O'Niel.  Clinton never worked with Gingrich.  Bush II never worked with Ted Kennedy!  This has never happened before!!!

Liberals really are an uninformed bunch.


The GOP has and never had any intentions on working with the Obama WH.  They wasted 3 years trying to work with the Congress.  The GOP voted down their own bills when Obama changed his mind and supported those bills.

And you know this.
 
2013-06-08 10:49:53 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Mrtraveler01: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Dems in 2012: Vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reps in 2012: Don't vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reality: Obama becomes even more conservative in his second term.

I didn't think he'd become more liberal because we'd still have the GOP House stonewalling every effort to do so.

If you haven't realized that Obama is governing from the Center yet, then you might be a moron.

The Dem rallying cry in 2012 was "Obama will be tougher in his second term, because he'll no longer have re-election to worry about."  Also the Rep rallying cry, from the "Here comes the Muslin!" perspective.

In truth, he just became more Republican, which is the only trick he's ever really been able to manage.  Repackaging old Republican ideas as new Democratic ideas.


I don't know how fair that is.  He 'is' tougher.  But, there's only so much he can do with the powers given to the Executive Branch.  Which is why so much animosity and disfavor is heaped upon Congress.

I'm not sure what people expected him to do.  Rule by fiat?  Disband the Congress?
 
2013-06-08 10:56:18 AM  

FlashHarry: a shiatload of stuff has changed (obamacare, winding down two wars, financial reform, no second great depression, etc.) and i'm still way more hopeful than i would have been had a president mccain or president romney been in the WH.


Does anybody think this wasn't happening while Cheney was in office?

Things have gotten better.  No one expected Obama to be perfect, that's a fiction made up by Rush Limbaugh and his ilk and repeated often enough to begin to ring like the truth.

Obama is still a politician, but I have no regrets about voting for him twice.  Things have changed for the better.  Also, I hope the republicans continue to act like ignorant, fearful, spoiled children and lose control of the house.
 
2013-06-08 10:57:00 AM  

Infernalist: I don't know how fair that is.  He 'is' tougher.  But, there's only so much he can do with the powers given to the Executive Branch.  Which is why so much animosity and disfavor is heaped upon Congress.

I'm not sure what people expected him to do.  Rule by fiat?  Disband the Congress?


I don't blame him for the fights he loses.  I blame him for the fights he never starts.  It doesn't take "rule by fiat" to not spy on every American with the permission of secret courts.  That's something I expect from Dubya, not Obama.
 
2013-06-08 10:57:07 AM  
Am I the only one who expects our government to do this but am only disappointed they can't keep it a secret?
 
2013-06-08 10:59:54 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Obamacare that is.
 
2013-06-08 11:00:20 AM  

firesign: "Has fallen to the level as"?
"to the to the"?

...why do conservative trolls always get such a raging hard-on about their point that they can't even think enough to type a simple sentence correctly?


There's no casual relationship there, they are symptoms of ignorance.
 
2013-06-08 11:05:24 AM  

Erebus1954: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x258]

Obamacare that is.


Technically it's not a tax for me because I'm not a moron and already have health insurance.
 
2013-06-08 11:07:31 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Erebus1954: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x258]

Obamacare that is.

Technically it's not a tax for me because I'm not a moron and already have health insurance.


well, shiat, if it is only morons who don't have health insurance, why are we so worried about them? ;)
 
2013-06-08 11:08:10 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Infernalist: I don't know how fair that is.  He 'is' tougher.  But, there's only so much he can do with the powers given to the Executive Branch.  Which is why so much animosity and disfavor is heaped upon Congress.

I'm not sure what people expected him to do.  Rule by fiat?  Disband the Congress?

I don't blame him for the fights he loses.  I blame him for the fights he never starts.  It doesn't take "rule by fiat" to not spy on every American with the permission of secret courts.  That's something I expect from Dubya, not Obama.


It's something that you should expect from every president for the next generation.  It's now the default position, and it won't go away until the next great president is elected or we have another revolution.  Neither of those will happen through conservatism.
 
2013-06-08 11:08:57 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Erebus1954: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x258]

Obamacare that is.

Technically it's not a tax for me because I'm not a moron and already have health insurance.


Yes, all those people who can't find full-time work with health insurance are such  morons.
 
2013-06-08 11:09:59 AM  

Infernalist: Mrtraveler01: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Dems in 2012: Vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reps in 2012: Don't vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reality: Obama becomes even more conservative in his second term.

I didn't think he'd become more liberal because we'd still have the GOP House stonewalling every effort to do so.

If you haven't realized that Obama is governing from the Center yet, then you might be a moron.

I knew he was governing from the center from the start.  Hell, I think he even did a couple of speeches referring to the fact that Americans, most Americans, vote from the center.

That said, the American people 'are' moving further to the left.  The shocking shift on gay marriage is only the most obvious of these moves.  There's also the support for stronger regulation of Wall Street, the huge support for higher taxes and the support for the ACA when you strip away the rhetoric and names that they've been conditioned to hate on.


There's generally always been a support for liberal policies ( Healthcare, education, science, gun control, etc), but people have a problem voting for Democrats who stand for those policies. You can have someone who agrees with 90% of the Democratic platform, but they'll won't vote Dem or call themselves Democrats because "Dems are evil!"
 
2013-06-08 11:10:13 AM  

jcooli09: It's something that you should expect from every president for the next generation.  It's now the default position, and it won't go away until the next great president is elected or we have another revolution.  Neither of those will happen through conservatism.


I guess I just don't understand how Dems can rage and protest when Dubya does it, but when Obama does it all I see is "meh, we should expect this from now on".

Seems hypocritical.
 
2013-06-08 11:11:09 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Mrtraveler01: Erebus1954: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x258]

Obamacare that is.

Technically it's not a tax for me because I'm not a moron and already have health insurance.

Yes, all those people who can't find full-time work with health insurance are such  morons.


It's been explained numerous times.  If you don't make enough money to get insurance on your own, you'll qualify for a government-subsidized insurance.  If you make within 133% of the poverty level, you can enroll in Medicaid.

The only people who get hit with the 'tax' penalty are the people who do make enough money to pay for insurance and decide not to get it.
 
2013-06-08 11:13:07 AM  

Erebus1954: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x258]

Obamacare that is.


Maybe we should just go single-payer then.
 
2013-06-08 11:14:24 AM  
The Hope was a change from what the Republicans offered. The Change was the Hope that we could get Congress to do things for the American people, that only happened for a year or so.

No, Obama is not Rushmore material. But he's a damn sight better than the Republican alternatives.
 
2013-06-08 11:14:42 AM  

Infernalist: It's been explained numerous times.  If you don't make enough money to get insurance on your own, you'll qualify for a government-subsidized insurance.  If you make within 133% of the poverty level, you can enroll in Medicaid.

The only people who get hit with the 'tax' penalty are the people who do make enough money to pay for insurance and decide not to get it.


Or you live in a state where the GOP government hamstrings Medicaid, and you end up with worthless "insurance" that covers nothing.  Look at what Walker did to BadgerCare.

This blame-people-without-insurance thing was a GOP position not so long ago.  Looks like Dems adopted yet another worthless conservative idea.
 
2013-06-08 11:17:25 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: jcooli09: It's something that you should expect from every president for the next generation.  It's now the default position, and it won't go away until the next great president is elected or we have another revolution.  Neither of those will happen through conservatism.

I guess I just don't understand how Dems can rage and protest when Dubya does it, but when Obama does it all I see is "meh, we should expect this from now on".

Seems hypocritical.


When bush did it he set the precedent, it's part of his legacy that it will take a great president to undo it.

I don't rage against Obama doing it because I expected him to continue it, not because I don't mind it.  I never expected Obama to be a great president, I hoped he would contain the damage republicans have been doing to the country since 1980.  He's lived up to me expectations generally, not great but not bad.  About like Clinton.

The government does lots of things I don't like, many of them for years and years.  I understand that being able to undo these things is part of greatness.  I also understand that it can't be done without a loyal opposition, and the republicans haven't been that since the 70's.
 
2013-06-08 11:17:31 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Infernalist: It's been explained numerous times.  If you don't make enough money to get insurance on your own, you'll qualify for a government-subsidized insurance.  If you make within 133% of the poverty level, you can enroll in Medicaid.

The only people who get hit with the 'tax' penalty are the people who do make enough money to pay for insurance and decide not to get it.

Or you live in a state where the GOP government hamstrings Medicaid, and you end up with worthless "insurance" that covers nothing.  Look at what Walker did to BadgerCare.

This blame-people-without-insurance thing was a GOP position not so long ago.  Looks like Dems adopted yet another worthless conservative idea.


They can't force the state governments to be non-douchy.  At some point, the people have to make the GOP accountable for their assholish ways.  And if you're a Democrat in a GOP stronghold, all I can suggest is either suck it up or move, because those are your options.

It's not a situation that the Democrats have created, after all.  It's a bit silly to rage about Obamacare when what you're really mad about is how the state GOP have screwed you over in spite of Obamacare.
 
2013-06-08 11:20:25 AM  

Infernalist: It's a bit silly to rage about Obamacare


I'm not raging about Obamacare.  I'm saying "if you don't have insurance you are voluntarily being an idiot" is a stupid thing to say, and it used to be exclusively a GOP position.  And Dems who adopt that position just to circle-the-wagons on Obamacare should be ashamed of themselves.
 
2013-06-08 11:22:48 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Infernalist: It's a bit silly to rage about Obamacare

I'm not raging about Obamacare.  I'm saying "if you don't have insurance you are voluntarily being an idiot" is a stupid thing to say, and it used to be exclusively a GOP position.  And Dems who adopt that position just to circle-the-wagons on Obamacare should be ashamed of themselves.


Ah, that makes more sense.  You're pissed off at the people who aren't aware of what the GOP is doing to hamstring the ACA.

That's more reasonable.
 
2013-06-08 11:23:23 AM  

Infernalist: Ah, that makes more sense.  You're pissed off at the people who aren't aware of what the GOP is doing to hamstring the ACA.

That's more reasonable.


Ugh.  Nevermind.
 
2013-06-08 11:24:52 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: And Dems who adopt that position just to circle-the-wagons on Obamacare should be ashamed of themselves.


Try looking at it economically rather than politically. Bending the cost curve isn't just a buzz word. If you get more people paying into a system who are young and healthy, it lowers the outlay cost for those who need the service. It's basic math. When something takes up 20% of GDP, we've got to do something about the cost.
 
2013-06-08 11:24:56 AM  
Yes.  The wealthy still pay nothing in taxes, education costs continue to skyrocket, student loans are becoming more predatory, and police state is expanding, infrastructure is falling apart, we're paying billions on military equipment we don't need even according to the DoD, the health care 'reform' is causing more problems than it is solving because of the ineffective compromise that was reached, and we're still cutting social programs.  The only thing Obama has done differently than Bush is he hasn't lied to us to invade a country for their oil.  But Iraq is profitable enough for now so it hasn't been necessary.
 
2013-06-08 11:26:33 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Infernalist: It's a bit silly to rage about Obamacare

I'm not raging about Obamacare.  I'm saying "if you don't have insurance you are voluntarily being an idiot" is a stupid thing to say, and it used to be exclusively a GOP position.  And Dems who adopt that position just to circle-the-wagons on Obamacare should be ashamed of themselves.


My comment is directed at the people who are able to afford and get health insurance and simply do not want to get it.
 
2013-06-08 11:26:45 AM  

Infernalist: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Infernalist: It's a bit silly to rage about Obamacare

I'm not raging about Obamacare.  I'm saying "if you don't have insurance you are voluntarily being an idiot" is a stupid thing to say, and it used to be exclusively a GOP position.  And Dems who adopt that position just to circle-the-wagons on Obamacare should be ashamed of themselves.

Ah, that makes more sense.  You're pissed off at the people who aren't aware of what the GOP is doing to hamstring the ACA.

That's more reasonable.



He's merely trying to illustrate that both sides are bad. You're supposed to do something after realizing that, but it escapes me. However, I think it rhymes with "Goat Republican."
 
2013-06-08 11:29:03 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Infernalist: It's a bit silly to rage about Obamacare

I'm not raging about Obamacare.  I'm saying "if you don't have insurance you are voluntarily being an idiot" is a stupid thing to say, and it used to be exclusively a GOP position.  And Dems who adopt that position just to circle-the-wagons on Obamacare should be ashamed of themselves.


I agree with you.  Some people who don't get health insurance are idiots, no doubt, but many simply make the decision that it's worth the fine not to pay for insurance.

The fine goes to cover societies expense, at least in part, when inevitably some of them end up needing health care services they haven't and can't pay for.  It seems like a reasonable accommodation given our current stupid employer based system.
 
2013-06-08 11:30:01 AM  

NewportBarGuy: LouDobbsAwaaaay: And Dems who adopt that position just to circle-the-wagons on Obamacare should be ashamed of themselves.

Try looking at it economically rather than politically. Bending the cost curve isn't just a buzz word. If you get more people paying into a system who are young and healthy, it lowers the outlay cost for those who need the service. It's basic math. When something takes up 20% of GDP, we've got to do something about the cost.


I'll say this one last time: I'm not saying universal healthcare is a bad idea.  I'm saying "it's not a tax, because only idiots don't have insurance already" is an ignorant, spiteful thing to say, and up until recently it was the justification the GOP used for why there were so many people without insurance to begin with (and why the deserved to be without insurance).

If you adopt that position, you're no better than the GOP who called Obamacare socialism and said America doesn't need it.  And you should be ashamed of yourself.

Clear?  Because I'm not going to explain it again.

/sheesh
 
2013-06-08 11:32:48 AM  
Hope and change is an election slogan. Trickle down economics is a policy. Big difference. I'm still waiting for my thousand points of light.
 
2013-06-08 11:33:58 AM  

Dear Jerk: Hope and change is an election slogan. Trickle down economics is a policy. Big difference. I'm still waiting for my thousand points of light.


so is the homeless man
 
2013-06-08 11:34:32 AM  

firesign: "Has fallen to the level as"?
"to the to the"?

...why do conservative trolls always get such a raging hard-on about their point that they can't even think enough to type a simple sentence correctly?


Sloppy language often belies sloppy thought. Everyone makes a typo from time to time, but when I see people who consistently butcher the language I conclude that they are simply not very bright. And although such people come from all over the political spectrum, people representing certain political beliefs seem to be consistently over-represented among them.
 
2013-06-08 11:35:07 AM  
I think the problem we're having is our pointing of fingers toward presidents, when the source of America's bullshiat lies elsewhere.
 
2013-06-08 11:37:08 AM  

MyRandomName: OMG, a president has to work with a Congress that may not simply rubber stamp his proposals!  This has never happened before!


Our primary goal is to make Obama a one term president.  It's better that America burn to the ground than let Obama achieve anything.

New.

skullkrusher: Kumana Wanalaia: David Brooks said that running metadata through an algorithm to look for flags is not troubling.  But of course righties need to make hay, so here we are.

Echelon NO CARRIER

https://www.aclu.org/secure/sem-emergency-action-stop-massive-govern me nt-spying-americans?ms=gad_SEM_Google_Search-VerizonNSA_na_nsa%20veriz on_b_26162556622

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2013/06/the-nsa-veri zo n-scandal.html

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/nsa-verizon-call-records/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/06/1214128/-Government-collect in g-Americans-phone-records-under-secret-court-order

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/ACLU, The New Yorker, Wired.com, DailyKos.com, Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Senator Mark Udall (D-CO)
//just some righties making hay


And those are people that genuinely care.  But subby is making hay with his "derp hope and change" headline.

And you're here to feed on that.
 
2013-06-08 11:37:58 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: jcooli09: It's something that you should expect from every president for the next generation.  It's now the default position, and it won't go away until the next great president is elected or we have another revolution.  Neither of those will happen through conservatism.

I guess I just don't understand how Dems can rage and protest when Dubya does it, but when Obama does it all I see is "meh, we should expect this from now on".

Seems hypocritical.


You're right, it is. And that's bad.
 
2013-06-08 11:38:42 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: NewportBarGuy: LouDobbsAwaaaay: And Dems who adopt that position just to circle-the-wagons on Obamacare should be ashamed of themselves.

Try looking at it economically rather than politically. Bending the cost curve isn't just a buzz word. If you get more people paying into a system who are young and healthy, it lowers the outlay cost for those who need the service. It's basic math. When something takes up 20% of GDP, we've got to do something about the cost.

I'll say this one last time: I'm not saying universal healthcare is a bad idea.  I'm saying "it's not a tax, because only idiots don't have insurance already" is an ignorant, spiteful thing to say, and up until recently it was the justification the GOP used for why there were so many people without insurance to begin with (and why the deserved to be without insurance).

If you adopt that position, you're no better than the GOP who called Obamacare socialism and said America doesn't need it.  And you should be ashamed of yourself.

Clear?  Because I'm not going to explain it again.

/sheesh


I think I've seen you post something similar to this before, and I'd bet I'll see it again sometime.
 
2013-06-08 11:55:21 AM  

sammyk: So CNN is concern trolling now?


sure reads like it. that was the biggest waste of time to read today. and i only read half of it.
 
2013-06-08 12:17:27 PM  

Infernalist: Are those really our only two options?  Give up privacy or get blown up?


it's a sliding scale. and i'm not just talking about privacy here; i'm talking about general inconvenience (like having to take your shoes off at the airport).

but, yes, the more secure a country is with regard to fighting terrorism, the less privacy and convenience its people tend to experience.
 
2013-06-08 12:19:23 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Clear? Because I'm not going to explain it again.


I feel ya. Feel like I'm doing the same thing with the Patriot Act crap. Sorry for not remembering your POV, it's a valid one.
 
2013-06-08 12:22:30 PM  

FlashHarry: Infernalist: Are those really our only two options?  Give up privacy or get blown up?

it's a sliding scale. and i'm not just talking about privacy here; i'm talking about general inconvenience (like having to take your shoes off at the airport).

but, yes, the more secure a country is with regard to fighting terrorism, the less privacy and convenience its people tend to experience.


I'm not all that thrilled with the idea that we have to give up privacy in order to attain some security.
 
2013-06-08 12:23:10 PM  

not it's not the level of "trickle down"

it's not at the level of "Iraq has restarted it's nuclear program"

it's hard to blame total obstruction hindering his agenda on him. He's given up a lot to get what little he's gotten back.
and despite that he's

1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America's long-term fiscal problems

2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide "living wills" to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers' money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.

4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Draw-down of Afghanistan Troops: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.
8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country's largest banks via "stress tests" of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their "toxic" assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.
9. Repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell": Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi's forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.
11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator's position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain "enhanced" interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.

13. Improved America's Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of "soft power") during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.

15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.
17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.
18. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011) to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.
19. Began Asia "Pivot": In 2011, reoriented American military and diplomatic priorities and focus from the Middle East and Europe to the Asian-Pacific region. Executed multipronged strategy of positively engaging China while reasserting U.S. leadership in the region by increasing American military presence and crafting new commercial, diplomatic, and military alliances with neighboring countries made uncomfortable by recent Chinese behavior.
20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.
21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran: In effort to deter Iran's nuclear program, signed Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act (2010) to punish firms and individuals who aid Iran's petroleum sector. In late 2011 and early 2012, coordinated with other major Western powers to impose sanctions aimed at Iran's banks and with Japan, South Korea, and China to shift their oil purchases away from Iran.
22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants: New EPA restrictions on mercury and toxic pollution, issued in December 2011, likely to lead to the closing of between sixty-eight and 231 of the nation's oldest and dirtiest coal-fired power plants. Estimated cost to utilities: at least $11 billion by 2016. Estimated health benefits: $59 billion to $140 billion. Will also significantly reduce carbon emissions and, with other regulations, comprises what's been called Obama's "stealth climate policy."
23. Passed Credit Card Reforms: Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009), which prohibits credit card companies from raising rates without advance notification, mandates a grace period on interest rate increases, and strictly limits overdraft and other fees.
24. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws: Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act in 2009, giving women who are paid less than men for the same work the right to sue their employers after they find out about the discrimination, even if that discrimination happened years ago. Under previous law, as interpreted by the Supreme Court in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., the statute of limitations on such suits ran out 180 days after the alleged discrimination occurred, even if the victims never knew about it.
25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court: Nominated and obtained confirmation for Sonia Sotomayor, the first Hispanic and third woman to serve, in 2009; and Elena Kagan, the fourth woman to serve, in 2010. They replaced David Souter and John Paul Stevens, respectively.
26. Improved Food Safety System: In 2011, signed FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, which boosts the Food and Drug Administration's budget by $1.4 billion and expands its regulatory responsibilities to include increasing number of food inspections, issuing direct food recalls, and reviewing the current food safety practices of countries importing products into America.
27. Achieved New START Treaty: Signed with Russia (2010) and won ratification in Congress (2011) of treaty that limits each country to 1,550 strategic warheads (down from 2,200) and 700 launchers (down from more than 1,400), and reestablished and strengthened a monitoring and transparency program that had lapsed in 2009, through which each country can monitor the other.

28. Expanded National Service: Signed Serve America Act in 2009, which authorized a tripling of the size of AmeriCorps. Program grew 13 percent to 85,000 members across the country by 2012, when new House GOP majority refused to appropriate more funds for further expansion.

29. Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection: Signed Omnibus Public Lands Management Act (2009), which designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, created thousands of miles of recreational and historic trails, and protected more than 1,000 miles of rivers.

30. Gave the FDA Power to Regulate Tobacco: Signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (2009). Nine years in the making and long resisted by the tobacco industry, the law mandates that tobacco manufacturers disclose all ingredients, obtain FDA approval for new tobacco products, and expand the size and prominence of cigarette warning labels, and bans the sale of misleadingly labeled "light" cigarette brands and tobacco sponsorship of entertainment events.
31. Pushed Federal Agencies to Be Green Leaders: Issued executive order in 2009 requiring all federal agencies to make plans to soften their environmental impacts by 2020. Goals include 30 percent reduction in fleet gasoline use, 26 percent boost in water efficiency, and sustainability requirements for 95 percent of all federal contracts. Because federal government is the country's single biggest purchaser of goods and services, likely to have ripple effects throughout the economy for years to come.
32. Passed Fair Sentencing Act: Signed 2010 legislation that reduces sentencing disparity between crack versus powder cocaine possessionfrom100 to1 to 18 to1.
33. Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense: Cut the Reagan-era "Star Wars" missile defense budget, saving $1.4 billion in 2010, and canceled plans to station antiballistic missile systems in Poland and the Czech Republic in favor of sea-based defense plan focused on Iran and North Korea.
34. Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Builddown: After winning agreement from congressional Republicans and Democrats in summer 2011 budget deal to reduce projected defense spending by $450 billion, proposed new DoD budget this year with cuts of that size and a new national defense strategy that would shrink ground forces from 570,000 to 490,000 over the next ten years while increasing programs in intelligence gathering and cyberwarfare.
35. Let Space Shuttle Die and Killed Planned Moon Mission: Allowed the expensive ($1 billion per launch), badly designed, dangerous shuttle program to make its final launch on July 8, 2011. Cut off funding for even more bloated and problem-plagued Bush-era Constellation program to build moon base in favor of support for private-sector low-earth orbit ventures, research on new rocket technologies for long-distance manned flight missions, and unmanned space exploration, including the largest interplanetary rover ever launched, which will investigate Mars's potential to support life.

36. Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology: As part of the 2009 stimulus, invested $90 billion, more than any previous administration, in research on smart grids, energy efficiency, electric cars, renewable electricity generation, cleaner coal, and biofuels.
37. Crafting Next-Generation School Tests: Devoted $330 million in stimulus money to pay two consortia of states and universities to create competing versions of new K-12 student performance tests based on latest psychometric research. New tests could transform the learning environment in vast majority of public school classrooms beginning in 2014.
38. Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges: In effort to fight predatory practices of some for-profit colleges, Department of Education issued "gainful employment" regulations in 2011 cutting off commercially focused schools from federal student aid funding if more than 35 percent of former students aren't paying off their loans and/or if the average former student spends more than 12 percent of his or her total earnings servicing student loans.

39. Improved School Nutrition: In coordination with Michelle Obama, signed Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act in 2010 mandating $4.5 billion spending boost and higher nutritional and health standards for school lunches. New rules based on the law, released in January, double the amount of fruits and vegetables and require only whole grains in food served to students.
40. Expanded Hate Crimes Protections: Signed Hate Crimes Prevention Act (2009), which expands existing hate crime protections to include crimes based on a victim's sexual orientation, gender, or disability, in addition to race, color, religion, or national origin.
41. Avoided Scandal: As of November 2011, served longer than any president in decades without a scandal, as measured by the appearance of the word "scandal" (or lack thereof) on the front page of the Washington Post.
42. Brokered Agreement for Speedy Compensation to Victims of Gulf Oil Spill: Though lacking statutory power to compel British Petroleum to act, used moral authority of his office to convince oil company to agree in 2010 to a $20 billion fund to compensate victims of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico; $6.5 billion already paid out without lawsuits. By comparison, it took nearly two decades for plaintiffs in the Exxon Valdez Alaska oil spill case to receive $1.3 billion.
43. Created Recovery.gov: Web site run by independent board of inspectors general looking for fraud and abuse in stimulus spending, provides public with detailed information on every contract funded by $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Thanks partly to this transparency, board has uncovered very little fraud, and Web site has become national model: "The stimulus has done more to promote transparency at almost all levels of government than any piece of legislation in recent memory," reports Governing magazine.
44. Pushed Broadband Coverage: Proposed and obtained in 2011 Federal Communications Commission approval for a shift of $8 billion in subsidies away from landlines and toward broadband Internet for lower-income rural families.
45. Expanded Health Coverage for Children: Signed 2009 Children's Health Insurance Authorization Act, which allows the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to cover health care for 4 million more children, paid for by a tax increase on tobacco products.
46. Recognized the Dangers of Carbon Dioxide: In 2009, EPA declared carbon dioxide a pollutant, allowing the agency to regulate its production.

47. Expanded Stem Cell Research: In 2009, eliminated the Bush-era restrictions on embryonic stem cell research, which shows promise in treating spinal injuries, among many other areas.

48. Provided Payment to Wronged Minority Farmers: In 2009, signed Claims Resolution Act, which provided $4.6 billion in funding for a legal settlement with black and Native American farmers who the government cheated out of loans and natural resource royalties in years past.

49. Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Appointed two envoys to Sudan and personally attended a special UN meeting on the area. Through U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice, helped negotiate a peaceful split in 2011.
50. Killed the F-22: In 2009, ended further purchases of Lockheed Martin single-seat, twin-engine, fighter aircraft, which cost $358 million apiece. Though the military had 187 built, the plane has never flown a single combat mission. Eliminating it saved $4 billion.


 
2013-06-08 12:36:10 PM  
No, there is still hope that if people want to get out and vote they can change anything.
 
2013-06-08 12:47:13 PM  

MrBallou: The Patriot Act was a misguided panic reaction to 9/11.


Even at the time, it was clear that it wasn't misguided or a panic reaction; it was a very clear and carefully crafted frontal assault on our civil liberties.  Because Bush could do no wrong and because of their hatred of "The Left", covservatives were happy to go along with it.  We tried to warn you it was a bad idea.

You (the American people) made your bed.  Now lie in it, you farkers.
 
2013-06-08 12:48:50 PM  

Infernalist: What OWS did was wake up the Democratic Party and make them realize that a good chunk of the American people were tired of being screwed over by the 1% of the country that owns the GOP


Wall street overwhelmingly supported the DNC in the last election.

The same retards that camped out in parks in NYC, and blogged on their Ipads mooching wifi from starbucks were protesting the very financial institutions which helped elect Obama twice.  Which is fine.  I'd rather be a vilified conservative than a mindless liberal who one day wakes up to find out I've been used all along.  The media and civil-liberties loving democrats are just now realizing this.  Waking up sore and hungover, hoping they can tiptoe out of the frathouse without anyone noticing.
 
2013-06-08 12:50:27 PM  
So what are you if you say you hoped this guy would be different? If you hoped real, positive change would come in areas like civil liberties, not further errosion of rights and expansion of heavy-handed government tactics?

We are supposed to find succor, I suppose, in the notion it could have been worse if X or Y were president instead. Or a former president also did bad things.

Don't shout down legitimate concerns or use bizarre rationalizations for disturbing behavior. Expect and demand better from this president.
 
2013-06-08 01:12:28 PM  
There was a show on the new spy industry on Frontline a few months ago. Richard Clark said that the NSA/CIA/FBI have frightened Obama very badly.

Starting with the recommendation to cancel his first inauguration do the the dozens of plots by Al Qada to assassinate him and Bush.

Fear. Obama is consumed with fear.
 
2013-06-08 01:20:40 PM  
"Hope and Change" was a campaign slogan.

"Trickle-down economics" is the basis of three decades of Republican economic policy.

"Apples and oranges" doesn't even begin to cover how far apart these two phrases are.
 
2013-06-08 01:31:58 PM  

HempHead: There was a show on the new spy industry on Frontline a few months ago. Richard Clark said that the NSA/CIA/FBI have frightened Obama very badly.

Starting with the recommendation to cancel his first inauguration do the the dozens of plots by Al Qada to assassinate him and Bush.

Fear. Obama is consumed with fear.


You know who else was advised to cancel his first inauguration?
 
2013-06-08 01:32:30 PM  
Know what I like?
When Republicans consistently have to attempt to accuse Obama of a level of fraud and incompetence that was set by a REPUBLICAN.

"This might be a bigger scandal than Whitewater!  Than Iran-Contra!"  Funny that the scandals that dropped Nixon and slammed Reagan are the apparent benchmarks of internal and international Presidential crime.

"We're headed for another Great Depression!"  Sucks like Herbert Hoover, doesn't it?

I saw one once that threw in the Pentagon Papers just for flavor (I had to look that one up...LBJ, a Democrat, ate that one), but I haven't heard a Monica Lewinsky comparison for years (maybe because getting your knob gobbled is, strangely, not nearly as much of a scandal as doing things that can wreck international politics?), and I think Republicans hate Jimmy Carter mostly because he failed to do anything impeachable.
 
2013-06-08 01:36:26 PM  

Ishidan: "This might be a bigger scandal than Whitewater! Than Iran-Contra!" Funny that the scandals that dropped Nixon and slammed Reagan are the apparent benchmarks of internal and international Presidential crime.


My favorite are the ones that say that this IRS and Benghazi stuff is worse than Watergate and/or Iran-Contra in what is a pitiful attempt to minimize how scandalous those scandals actually were.
 
2013-06-08 01:38:59 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: MrBallou: The Patriot Act was a misguided panic reaction to 9/11.

Even at the time, it was clear that it wasn't misguided or a panic reaction; it was a very clear and carefully crafted frontal assault on our civil liberties.  Because Bush could do no wrong and because of their hatred of "The Left", covservatives were happy to go along with it.  We tried to warn you it was a bad idea.

You (the American people) made your bed.  Now lie in it, you farkers.


That's what pisses me off.  Homeland Security was already made and set before 9/11 even happened but that definitely catalyzed the process.  Goddammitsomuch i hate people.
 
2013-06-08 01:42:05 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: David Brooks said that running metadata through an algorithm to look for flags is not troubling.  But of course righties need to make hay, so here we are.

Echelon NO CARRIER


I'll just leave this here from a couple of right-wing juggernauts:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06/ny-times-editorial-board-ob am a-administration-lost-credibility_n_3398666.html
 
2013-06-08 01:42:23 PM  
I cannot believe how much people still try to convince themselves that Obama is just a little bit misunderstood.

Liberals put Obama into the WH to stop this shiat. Obama rewards them by farking them over.

Its really not that difficult
 
2013-06-08 01:46:21 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Erebus1954: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x258]

Obamacare that is.

Technically it's not a tax for me because I'm not a moron and already have health insurance.


That's just a stupid statement.
 
2013-06-08 01:47:30 PM  

cman: I cannot believe how much people still try to convince themselves that Obama is just a little bit misunderstood.

Liberals put Obama into the WH to stop this shiat. Obama rewards them by farking them over.

Its really not that difficult


Why, that reminds me of Ronald Reagan and the Air Traffic Controllers Organization... (PATCO)
 
2013-06-08 01:48:18 PM  
I'll bite.


"Hope and Change" = works in theory, isn't living up to promises IRL, still a workable ideal

"trickle down economics" = totally busted in theory, is even worse IRL, can't ever work
 
2013-06-08 01:48:30 PM  

Hobodeluxe: not it's not the level of "trickle down"

it's not at the level of "Iraq has restarted it's nuclear program"

it's hard to blame total obstruction hindering his agenda on him. He's given up a lot to get what little he's gotten back.
and despite that he's

1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America's long-term fiscal problems

2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide "living wills" to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers' money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.

4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Draw-down of Afghanistan Troops: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2 ...


51.  Killed Space Program.
 
2013-06-08 01:49:43 PM  

Vinz_Clortho: Mrtraveler01: Erebus1954: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x258]

Obamacare that is.

Technically it's not a tax for me because I'm not a moron and already have health insurance.

That's just a stupid statement.


I didn't have enough coffee yet when I wrote that.

Basically I'm saying that it's only a tax to people who still fail to get health insurance, even though they are able to get access to it and pay for it.

I already pay for health insurance so I won't be taxed for it.
 
2013-06-08 01:52:00 PM  
Whitewater.  Jeez.  Gimme a break, it's only 7 AM here, just finished my coffee and reread what I wrote...

WATERGATE.

Like how every scandal since has been named "--Gate" by Republicans that want to smear somebody else...
 
2013-06-08 01:56:44 PM  
While I'd say that hope and change turned out to be a massive heap of horseshiat, I don't think it's fare to compare an attitude with something that is passed on as an economic truism.
 
2013-06-08 02:02:13 PM  
No.  I'm still hoping right wing dickbags will change.  It sucks and seems useless, but that's what hope's all about, really.

Vinz_Clortho: 51. Killed Space Program.


See?  i hope this dickbag changes.
 
2013-06-08 02:03:06 PM  
The only thing I know is that Fark needs a few more b#llshiat FEATURED PARTNER links.
 
2013-06-08 02:09:08 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Ishidan: "This might be a bigger scandal than Whitewater! Than Iran-Contra!" Funny that the scandals that dropped Nixon and slammed Reagan are the apparent benchmarks of internal and international Presidential crime.

My favorite are the ones that say that this IRS and Benghazi stuff is worse than Watergate and/or Iran-Contra in what is a pitiful attempt to minimize how scandalous those scandals actually were.


I agree. Just like my generation loves to put a Nazi label on every little thing they disagree with.
 
2013-06-08 02:10:38 PM  
Dear America,

Hope and change?  Please, you libs think we have it so bad and have THE NERVE to think your can make things better?  Are you trying to say hat the status quo doesn't work for everyone, you ingrates?  Well, we'll show you.  We'll stamp our feet and hold our breath and make sure that no one can change ANYTHING.

Love,

The GOP
 
2013-06-08 02:10:45 PM  

Infernalist: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Mrtraveler01: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Dems in 2012: Vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reps in 2012: Don't vote for Obama!  He'll become really liberal in his second term!
Reality: Obama becomes even more conservative in his second term.

I didn't think he'd become more liberal because we'd still have the GOP House stonewalling every effort to do so.

If you haven't realized that Obama is governing from the Center yet, then you might be a moron.

The Dem rallying cry in 2012 was "Obama will be tougher in his second term, because he'll no longer have re-election to worry about."  Also the Rep rallying cry, from the "Here comes the Muslin!" perspective.

In truth, he just became more Republican, which is the only trick he's ever really been able to manage.  Repackaging old Republican ideas as new Democratic ideas.

I don't know how fair that is.  He 'is' tougher.  But, there's only so much he can do with the powers given to the Executive Branch.  Which is why so much animosity and disfavor is heaped upon Congress.

I'm not sure what people expected him to do.  Rule by fiat?  Disband the Congress?


I would be okay with telling the 113th that they're all fired and rule by executive fiat until the start of the 114th.
 
2013-06-08 02:45:18 PM  

skullkrusher: ghare: Kumana Wanalaia: Alternate Earth: Is Obama weak on intelligence? Why is Obama doing nothing to prevent another attack? Are we less safe under Obama?

And we're done.

if your goal is partisansh... oh,  wait, of course that's your goal.


Ahhhhahhaaa. Yes, sweetie, noticing that you're a nut is "partisan." Noticing reality is "partisan."
 
2013-06-08 02:48:14 PM  

o5iiawah: Infernalist: What OWS did was wake up the Democratic Party and make them realize that a good chunk of the American people were tired of being screwed over by the 1% of the country that owns the GOP

Wall street overwhelmingly supported the DNC in the last election.

The same retards that camped out in parks in NYC, and blogged on their Ipads mooching wifi from starbucks were protesting the very financial institutions which helped elect Obama twice.  Which is fine.  I'd rather be a vilified conservative than a mindless liberal who one day wakes up to find out I've been used all along.  The media and civil-liberties loving democrats are just now realizing this.  Waking up sore and hungover, hoping they can tiptoe out of the frathouse without anyone noticing.


But instead, you're just a mindless conservative who pisses in his pants at the slightest whiff of anything dangerous, and willingly sacrifices all his rights for "safety," provided by big daddy government.
 
2013-06-08 02:52:51 PM  
Oh no!!!  Put the signal up!  Someone said something mean about Obama.... TO THE KEYBOARDS!!!
 
2013-06-08 02:56:05 PM  

Ontos: Oh no!!!  Put the signal up!  Someone said something mean about Obama.... TO THE KEYBOARDS!!!


I am very disappointed at how Obama is continuing Bush-era policies when it comes to civil liberties.

COME AT ME BRO!
 
2013-06-08 02:56:53 PM  

Ontos: Oh no!!!  Put the signal up!  Someone said something mean about Obama.... TO THE KEYBOARDS!!!


Ha!  This guy still uses a desktop!
 
2013-06-08 03:32:06 PM  

thamike: No.  I'm still hoping right wing dickbags will change.  It sucks and seems useless, but that's what hope's all about, really.

Vinz_Clortho: 51. Killed Space Program.

See?  i hope this dickbag changes.


Typical lib...don't like a comment.  Resort to '5th-grade name calling'.
 
2013-06-08 03:35:31 PM  

BMulligan: firesign: "Has fallen to the level as"?
"to the to the"?

...why do conservative trolls always get such a raging hard-on about their point that they can't even think enough to type a simple sentence correctly?

Sloppy language often belies sloppy thought.


See also "could of," "would of," etc.
 
2013-06-08 03:37:47 PM  

Vinz_Clortho: thamike: No.  I'm still hoping right wing dickbags will change.  It sucks and seems useless, but that's what hope's all about, really.

Vinz_Clortho: 51. Killed Space Program.

See?  i hope this dickbag changes.

Typical lib...don't like a comment.  Resort to '5th-grade name calling'.


Why should we honor your lies with anything more than they deserve?
 
2013-06-08 03:37:58 PM  

Vinz_Clortho: thamike: No.  I'm still hoping right wing dickbags will change.  It sucks and seems useless, but that's what hope's all about, really.

Vinz_Clortho: 51. Killed Space Program.

See?  i hope this dickbag changes.

Typical lib...don't like a comment.  Resort to '5th-grade name calling'.


Typical dickbag...makes a stupid comment, refuses to own it.
 
2013-06-08 04:28:47 PM  
Outside thread: 124 commentsOpened thread: 62 commentsGod Bless Ignore!!
 
2013-06-08 04:29:40 PM  
Christ, iPad sucks!!
 
2013-06-08 04:32:20 PM  
Hobodeluxe:

I will now present the Republican response.  Calibrate your Poemeters, everyone.

1. Passed Health Care Reform:  REPEAL REPEAL REPEAL REPEALREPEALREPEALREPEALREEEEEPPEEEEAAAAALOBBBAAAAMMMAAACAARRREEE!
2. Passed the Stimulus:  Wasting government money on Solyndra.  Free market!  Freedom!  Lower taxes would have done better!
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: More job-killing regulations!
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Cut and ran like a crying libtard baby.
5. Began Draw-down of Afghanistan Troops:  See #4
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: He couldn't have done it without Dubya laying the groundwork, and information gained by waterboarding.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: *puts on Quote Mining helmet and grabs the pickaxe* The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment.
8. Recapitalized Banks:  ...and?
9. Repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell":  *censored due to homophobic undertones*
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: No American lives were lost.  Therefore, WHAT ABOUT BENGHAZI?
11. Told Mubarak to Go:  Barack, Mubarak, Obama, Osama, Hussein, Hussein...STUDY IT OUT, SHEEPLE!
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: But Gitmo is still open, so no he didn't.
13. Improved America's Image Abroad: But who gives a damn what people from other countries think?  USA!  USA!
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending:  College?  Loans?  What are those?
15. Created Race to the Top: We're not playing unless you agree to Teach The Controversy.
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Hey listen, libtardo.  If I wanna buy a car with a V-24 engine that pumps out one thousand horsepower and goes VROOOM VROOOM VROOOOOOOOOOM when I stomp on that gas pedal, then that's what I'm gonna do!  You can't stomp on Americans and tell us we all gotta drive hippiemobiles!  VROOOOOOOOOOM!
17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: But he did nothing about the bad economy!
18. Passed Mini Stimuli: Kept people on unemployment.
19. Began Asia "Pivot": Ching chong ching chinga chong.
20. Increased Support for Veterans: It's terrible how neglected veterans were in 2009.  Then Barry only wanted to increase government spending.
21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran: But didn't bomb Iran.  Therefore he's a weak leader.  You need to bomb things.
22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants: Killed the jobs of hundreds of hard-working power plant operators whose only crime was working for an older plant.
23. Passed Credit Card Reforms: Waste of time, the bootstrappy people would know better than to get into credit card debt. 
24. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws: Opened the door for every employer who ever hired women to be flooded with discrimination lawsuits.
25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court: Do I even need to mock the Republican response to Wise Latina Sotomayor?
26. Improved Food Safety System: More government spending and more regulations!
27. Achieved New START Treaty: We miss Reagan.
28. Expanded National Service: Would you like to know more?
29. Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection: Kissed hippie asses.


OK that's enough of that.  Even I can't keep up this act for that long.
 
2013-06-08 04:36:09 PM  

qorkfiend: "Hope and Change" was a campaign slogan.
"Trickle-down economics" is the basis of three decades of Republican economic policy.
"Apples and oranges" doesn't even begin to cover how far apart these two phrases are.


True, apples and oranges do have something in common as they're both fruits.

This is more like comparing roses and potatoes.
 
2013-06-08 04:47:15 PM  
You cannot have 'hope and change' when Big Business/wealthy own your Government and your Nation.   Obama can fight for the People and Democracy all he wants, but the richest 2% have the game table skewed their direction.  only if millions of americans have had enough and start marching the streets with consistancy will things change.  the only time the blue bloods are going to give up their racket is if they are forced too.  they  only understand bullets and money.  that is it.  they have no conscience because they know that if they end up ruining this Country, they can always move to their overseas homes.  they know they have the resources to leave.

this is what happens when Democracy goes away.  and no one knows if and how much worse things will get over the next coming decades.  something tells me we'll find out...............
 
2013-06-08 04:50:33 PM  

Linux_Yes: You cannot have 'hope and change' when Big Business/wealthy own your Government and your Nation.   Obama can fight for the People and Democracy all he wants, but the richest 2% have the game table skewed their direction.  only if millions of americans have had enough and start marching the streets with consistancy will things change.  the only time the blue bloods are going to give up their racket is if they are forced too.  they  only understand bullets and money.  that is it.  they have no conscience because they know that if they end up ruining this Country, they can always move to their overseas homes.  they know they have the resources to leave.

this is what happens when Democracy goes away.  and no one knows if and how much worse things will get over the next coming decades.  something tells me we'll find out...............


oh, and i forgot:  F*ck the GOP.  it is the Enemy of our fading Democratic Republic.  and it serves its Masters: big business and the wealthy.

i consider the Republican Party my personal enemy.  and if you are smart/informed, you should too.

PS --hey NSA'ers!!    how do you like them apples???
 
2013-06-08 05:12:48 PM  

Linux_Yes: You cannot have 'hope and change' when Big Business/wealthy own your Government and your Nation.   Obama can fight for the People and Democracy all he wants, but the richest 2% have the game table skewed their direction.  only if millions of americans have had enough and start marching the streets with consistancy will things change.  the only time the blue bloods are going to give up their racket is if they are forced too.  they  only understand bullets and money.  that is it.  they have no conscience because they know that if they end up ruining this Country, they can always move to their overseas homes.  they know they have the resources to leave.

this is what happens when Democracy goes away.  and no one knows if and how much worse things will get over the next coming decades.  something tells me we'll find out...............


Or when you fill your cabinet with tax cheats and Wall Street crooks.
 
2013-06-08 05:25:19 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Linux_Yes: You cannot have 'hope and change' when Big Business/wealthy own your Government and your Nation.   Obama can fight for the People and Democracy all he wants, but the richest 2% have the game table skewed their direction.  only if millions of americans have had enough and start marching the streets with consistancy will things change.  the only time the blue bloods are going to give up their racket is if they are forced too.  they  only understand bullets and money.  that is it.  they have no conscience because they know that if they end up ruining this Country, they can always move to their overseas homes.  they know they have the resources to leave.

this is what happens when Democracy goes away.  and no one knows if and how much worse things will get over the next coming decades.  something tells me we'll find out...............

Or when you fill your cabinet with tax cheats and Wall Street crooks.


Tard fight!
 
2013-06-08 05:38:26 PM  
Was the obvious tag occupied?
 
2013-06-08 06:32:06 PM  

thamike: Vinz_Clortho: thamike: No.  I'm still hoping right wing dickbags will change.  It sucks and seems useless, but that's what hope's all about, really.

Vinz_Clortho: 51. Killed Space Program.

See?  i hope this dickbag changes.

Typical lib...don't like a comment.  Resort to '5th-grade name calling'.

Typical dickbag...makes a stupid comment, refuses to own it.


Are you 10?
 
2013-06-08 06:39:08 PM  

Infernalist: I'm not all that thrilled with the idea that we have to give up privacy in order to attain some security.


many people aren't. and there's the rub.
 
2013-06-08 07:30:26 PM  
Only on the Fark Politics tab would the Democrat fanbois be defending their team after what was just revealed because at least they aren't Republicans!

It was bad when Bush did it, and it is bad now that Obama is continuing it.
 
2013-06-08 10:21:06 PM  

LasersHurt: It's way, way, way, way harder to convince and prod and push the US government towards self-serving decision that are easy than massive changes which are disruptive.

Hell, on top of that, the people don't want to deal with it. They just want things to be improved through no action or effort of their own.

We're a lazy, ignorant people who have created exactly the government we deserve.


I guess you're right. That's it, I'm voting for McCain!

/in all seriousnesss, "hope and change" is a meaningless bullshiat campaign slogan, like all campaign slogans of any R or D in history. And "trickle down" is a phrase coined by critics of supply side economics, not by supporters of it. Right or wrong, it is a term used perjoratively by the left, not favorably by the right. The more you know....

/DNRTFA
 
2013-06-09 12:08:17 AM  

MyRandomName: Bendal: Yeah imagine that. The President isn't all powerful and can't get his agenda pushed through a racist, obstructionist, ignorant and often downright hostile Congress.

OMG, a president has to work with a Congress that may not simply rubber stamp his proposals!  This has never happened before!  Reagan never worked with Tip O'Niel.  Clinton never worked with Gingrich.  Bush II never worked with Ted Kennedy!  This has never happened before!!!

Liberals really are an uninformed bunch.


JOBS JOBS JOBS!

/13 bills passed by this congress.
//no jobs bills
///JOBS JOBS JOBS
 
2013-06-09 01:20:07 AM  

Ishidan: Hobodeluxe:

I will now present the Republican response.  Calibrate your Poemeters, everyone.

1. Passed Health Care Reform:  REPEAL REPEAL REPEAL REPEALREPEALREPEALREPEALREEEEEPPEEEEAAAAALOBBBAAAAMMMAAACAARRREEE!
2. Passed the Stimulus:  Wasting government money on Solyndra.  Free market!  Freedom!  Lower taxes would have done better!
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: More job-killing regulations!
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Cut and ran like a crying libtard baby.
5. Began Draw-down of Afghanistan Troops:  See #4
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: He couldn't have done it without Dubya laying the groundwork, and information gained by waterboarding.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: *puts on Quote Mining helmet and grabs the pickaxe* The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment.
8. Recapitalized Banks:  ...and?
9. Repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell":  *censored due to homophobic undertones*
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: No American lives were lost.  Therefore, WHAT ABOUT BENGHAZI?
11. Told Mubarak to Go:  Barack, Mubarak, Obama, Osama, Hussein, Hussein...STUDY IT OUT, SHEEPLE!
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: But Gitmo is still open, so no he didn't.
13. Improved America's Image Abroad: But who gives a damn what people from other countries think?  USA!  USA!
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending:  College?  Loans?  What are those?
15. Created Race to the Top: We're not playing unless you agree to Teach The Controversy.
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Hey listen, libtardo.  If I wanna buy a car with a V-24 engine that pumps out one thousand horsepower and goes VROOOM VROOOM VROOOOOOOOOOM when I stomp on that gas pedal, then that's what I'm gonna do!  You can't stomp on Americans and tell us we all gotta drive hippiemobiles!  VROOOOOOOOOOM!
17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: But he did nothing about the bad economy!
18. Passed Mini Stimuli: Kept people on unemployment.
19. Began Asia ...


It's... beautiful
 
2013-06-09 01:25:06 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: "Hope and Change" didn't give the wealthy massive tax breaks, so no, no it's not.


Hope and Change renewed the Bush tax cuts for the rich BOTH times that they finally expired.

All they had to do was sit with their thumbs in their ass and let the clock run out and they were gone forever, unless they actively passed them into law again.

Which, of course, is exactly what they did.

Twice.

The last time they made them permanent. Now Billionaires will pay less on their major form of income Capital Gains, than the working poor making only about 35K a year do, and it will never, ever expire. Thanks Obama.

These are the same tax breaks that he claimed offended his conscious when he was running for office.
 
2013-06-09 01:32:06 AM  
 
2013-06-09 01:40:22 AM  

gameshowhost: Passed Wall Street Reform


Passed the same health care plan Romney passed.

The one the insurance industry paid for.

It's nice that you're so proud of them both being sold out to the same people, though.

Notice the part where John Roberts, the head Republican Supreme Court Justice, saved it when it was ready to go down?
 
2013-06-09 01:41:39 AM  

gameshowhost: Began Draw-down of Afghanistan Troops


Tripled the size of the war in Afghanistan only months after taking office.
 
2013-06-09 01:45:13 AM  

gameshowhost: Reversed Bush Torture Policies


Refused to prosecute any of those guilty of torture, despite US law and ratified international treaties we are a party to requiring that prosecution be automatic.

Instead, he prosecuted the whistle blower who exposed the practice and ended it.

That guy is sitting in prison right now.
 
2013-06-09 01:52:46 AM  

Ishidan: Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis


Protected the Banks responsible for causing the Financial Crisis from criminal prosecution.
 
2013-06-09 02:07:51 AM  
Expanded warrantless spying on Americans at every opportunity:

The Obama administration is urging the Supreme Court to allow the government, without a court warrant, to affix GPS devices on suspects' vehicles to track their every move.

along with

The Obama administration is urging Congress not to adopt legislation that would impose constitutional safeguards on Americans' e-mail stored in the cloud.

along with

The Obama administration told a federal court Tuesday that the public has no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in cellphone location data, and hence the authorities may obtain documents detailing a person's movements from wireless carriers without a probable-cause warrant.

along with

The Obama administration is seeking to make it easier for the FBI to compel companies to turn over records of an individual's Internet activity without a court order

and

The Obama administration is drawing up plans to give all U.S. spy agencies full access to a massive database that contains financial data on American citizens and others who bank in the country, according to a Treasury Department document seen by Reuters.

also

Essentially, officials want Congress to require all services that enable communications - including encrypted e-mail transmitters like BlackBerry, social networking Web sites like Facebook and software that allows direct "peer to peer" messaging like Skype - to be technically capable of complying if served with a wiretap order. The mandate would include being able to intercept and unscramble encrypted messages.

The bill, which the Obama administration plans to submit to lawmakers next year, raises fresh questions about how to balance security needs with protecting privacy.
 
2013-06-09 02:19:03 AM  
 
2013-06-09 02:30:50 AM  
Continued the Bush practice of rendition and fought to shut down lawsuits from victims of rendition and torture.

The Obama administration will continue the Bush administration's practice of sending terrorism suspects to third countries for detention and interrogation, but pledges to closely monitor their treatment to ensure that they are not tortured, administration officials said Monday.

Human rights advocates condemned the decision, saying that continuing the practice, known as rendition, would still allow the transfer of prisoners to countries with a history of torture. They said that promises from other countries of humane treatment, called "diplomatic assurances," were no protection against abuse.

"It is extremely disappointing that the Obama administration is continuing the Bush administration practice of relying on diplomatic assurances, which have been proven completely ineffective in preventing torture," said Amrit Singh, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union, who tracked rendition cases under President George W. Bush.


Using the State Secrets doctrine he once claimed to oppose to prevent victims of torture from being able to sue those responsible for their torture.

Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU said of the decision: "Eric Holder's Justice Department stood up in court today and said that it would continue the Bush policy of invoking state secrets to hide the reprehensible history of torture, rendition and the most grievous human rights violations committed by the American government. This is not change. This is definitely more of the same. Candidate Obama ran on a platform that would reform the abuse of state secrets, but President Obama's Justice Department has disappointingly reneged on that important civil liberties issue. If this is a harbinger of things to come, it will be a long and arduous road to give us back an America we can be proud of again."\

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2013-06-09 02:45:05 AM  
 
2013-06-09 02:54:54 AM  
Continually appointing those from the "too big to jail" banks to head up his administration.

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We've already made our choice for the best headline of the year, so far: "Citigroup Replaces JPMorgan as White House Chief of Staff."

When we saw it on the website Gawker.com we had to smile - but the smile didn't last long. There's simply too much truth in that headline; it says a lot about how Wall Street and Washington have colluded to create the winner-take-all economy that rewards the very few at the expense of everyone else.

The story behind it is that Jack Lew is President Obama's new chief of staff - arguably the most powerful office in the White House that isn't shaped like an oval. He used to work for the giant banking conglomerate Citigroup. His predecessor as chief of staff is Bill Daley, who used to work at the giant banking conglomerate JPMorgan Chase, where he was maestro of the bank's global lobbying and chief liaison to the White House. Daley replaced Obama's first chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, who once worked as a rainmaker for the investment bank now known as Wasserstein & Company, where in less than three years he was paid a reported eighteen and a half million dollars.

The new guy, Jack Lew ran hedge funds and private equity at Citigroup, which means he's a member of the Wall Street gang, too. His last job was as head of President Obama's Office of Management and Budget, where he replaced Peter Orzag, who now works as vice chairman for global banking at - hold on to your deposit slip - Citigroup.

Still with us? It's startling the number of high-ranking Obama officials who have spun through the revolving door between the White House and the sacred halls of investment banking.

President Obama may call bankers "fat cats" and stir the rabble against them with populist rhetoric when it serves his interest, but after the fiscal fiasco, he allowed the culprits to escape virtually scot-free. When he's in New York he dines with them frequently and eagerly accepts their big contributions. Like his predecessors, his administration also has provided them with billions of taxpayer dollars - low-cost money that they used for high-yielding investments to make big profits. The largest banks are bigger than they were when he took office and earned more in the first two-and-a-half years of his term than they did during the entire eight years of the Bush administration. That's confirmed by industry data.

And get this. It turns out, according to The New York Times, that as President Obama's inner circle has been shrinking, his "rare new best friend" is Robert Wolf. They play basketball, golf, and talk economics when Wolf is not raising money for the president's campaign.

Robert Wolf runs the U.S. branch of the giant Swiss bank UBS, which participated in schemes to help rich Americans evade their taxes.
 
2013-06-09 03:03:54 AM  
 
2013-06-09 03:07:58 AM  
 
2013-06-09 03:26:06 AM  
Stacking the Justice department with millionaire Wall Street defense attorneys.

Obama delivered heated rhetoric, but his actions signaled different priorities. Had Obama wanted to strike real fear in the hearts of bankers, he might have appointed former special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald or some other fire-breather as his attorney general. Instead, he chose Eric Holder, a former Clinton Justice official who, after a career in government, joined the Washington office of Covington & Burling, a top-tier law firm with an elite white-collar defense unit. The move to Covington, and back to Justice, is an example of Washington's revolving-door ritual, which, for Holder, has been lucrative--he pulled in $2.1 million as a Covington partner in 2008, and $2.5 million (including deferred compensation) when he left the firm in 2009.

Putting a Covington partner--he spent nearly a decade at the firm--in charge of Justice may have sent a signal to the financial community, whose marquee names are Covington clients. Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, and Deutsche Bank are among the institutions that pay for Covington's legal advice, some of it relating to matters before the Department of Justice. But Holder's was not the only face at Justice familiar to Covington clients. Lanny Breuer, who had co-chaired the white-collar defense unit at Covington with Holder, was chosen to head the criminal division at Obama's Justice. Two other Covington lawyers followed Holder into top positions, and Holder's principal deputy, James Cole, was recruited from Bryan Cave LLP, another white-shoe firm with A-list finance clients.


Conveniently for the "too big to jail" banks, their lawyer lackeys inside the Justice department refused to prosecute them, even when faced with undeniable proof of wrongdoing.

For at least half a decade, the storied British colonial banking power helped to wash hundreds of millions of dollars for drug mobs, including Mexico's Sinaloa drug cartel, suspected in tens of thousands of murders just in the past 10 years - people so totally evil, jokes former New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, that "they make the guys on Wall Street look good." The bank also moved money for organizations linked to Al Qaeda and Hezbollah, and for Russian gangsters; helped countries like Iran, the Sudan and North Korea evade sanctions; and, in between helping murderers and terrorists and rogue states, aided countless common tax cheats in hiding their cash.

"They violated every goddamn law in the book," says Jack Blum, an attorney and former Senate investigator who headed a major bribery investigation against Lockheed in the 1970s that led to the passage of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. "They took every imaginable form of illegal and illicit business."

That nobody from the bank went to jail or paid a dollar in individual fines is nothing new in this era of financial crisis. What is different about this settlement is that the Justice Department, for the first time, admitted why it decided to go soft on this particular kind of criminal. It was worried that anything more than a wrist slap for HSBC might undermine the world economy. "Had the U.S. authorities decided to press criminal charges," said Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer at a press conference to announce the settlement, "HSBC would almost certainly have lost its banking license in the U.S., the future of the institution would have been under threat and the entire banking system would have been destabilized."


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2013-06-09 03:45:52 AM  
 
2013-06-09 03:58:44 AM  
Continually fighting to establish indefinite detention without charges or a trial inside the United States:

He first proposed this only weeks after taking office.

President Obama's proposal for a new legal system in which terrorism suspects could be held in "prolonged detention" inside the United States without trial would be a departure from the way this country sees itself, as a place where people in the grip of the government either face criminal charges or walk free.

Rachel Maddow called Obama's proposal to establish indefinte detention without a trial on US soil, "a radical new claim of Presidential power that is not afforded by the Constitution, and has never been attempted in American History, even by George W. Bush and Dick Cheney."

He's still fighting for the power to toss American citizens into a military prison forever, without bothering to file charges or holding one of those pesky trials, even after a Federal judge immediately found the practice to be completely Unconstitutional.

Lawyers for the Obama administration are arguing that the United States will be irreparably harmed if it has to abide by a judge's ruling that it can no longer hold terrorism suspects indefinitely without trial in military custody.

This after claiming that we should elect him because he was a Constitutional Scholar who would bring back due process and the rule of law.
 
2013-06-09 04:07:49 AM  
Making sure nobody inside the Bush administration could be held accountable for illegal warrantless wiretapping.

When Congress immunized telecoms last August for their illegal participation in Bush's warrantless eavesdropping program, Senate Democratic apologists for telecom immunity repeatedly justified that action by pointing out that Bush officials who broke the law were not immunized - only the telecoms. Here, for instance, is how Sen. Jay Rockefeller justified telecom immunity in a Washington Post Op-Ed:

Second, lawsuits against the government can go forward. There is little doubt that the government was operating in, at best, a legal gray area. If administration officials abused their power or improperly violated the privacy of innocent people, they must be held accountable. That is exactly why we rejected the White House's year-long push for blanket immunity covering government officials.

Taking them at their word, EFF - which was the lead counsel in the lawsuits against the telecoms - thereafter filed suit, in October, 2008, against the Bush administration and various Bush officials for illegally spying on the communications of Americans. They were seeking to make good on the promise made by Congressional Democrats: namely, that even though lawsuits against telecoms for illegal spying will not be allowed any longer, government officials who broke the law can still be held accountable.

But late Friday afternoon, the Obama DOJ filed the government's Weeners to EFF's lawsuit (.pdf), the first of its kind to seek damages against government officials under FISA, the Wiretap Act and other statutes, arising out of Bush's NSA program. But the Obama DOJ demanded dismissal of the entire lawsuit based on (1) its Bush-mimicking claim that the "state secrets" privilege bars any lawsuits against the Bush administration for illegal spying, and (2) a brand new "sovereign immunity" claim of breathtaking scope - never before advanced even by the Bush administration - that the Patriot Act bars any lawsuits of any kind for illegal government surveillance unless there is "willful disclosure" of the illegally intercepted communications.

In other words, beyond even the outrageously broad "state secrets" privilege invented by the Bush administration and now embraced fully by the Obama administration, the Obama DOJ has now invented a brand new claim of government immunity, one which literally asserts that the U.S. Government is free to intercept all of your communications (calls, emails and the like) and - even if what they're doing is blatantly illegal and they know it's illegal - you are barred from suing them unless they "willfully disclose" to the public what they have learned.
 
2013-06-09 04:14:30 AM  
 
2013-06-09 04:25:38 AM  
Claiming that he allows Congress the oversight role into what he orders the CIA and NSA to do that US law demands.

On the murder of Americans without due process:

Senator Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat, has sent an extraordinary letter to top White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan, President Obama's choice to lead the CIA. The letter poses questions about executive power, like "How much evidence does the President need to determine that a particular American can be lawfully killed?" and "Does the President have to provide individual Americans with the opportunity to surrender before killing them?" We're used to such questions from organizations like the ACLU, journalists like Charlie Savage, and various concerned citizens. And though rules that confer death should always be transparent, the fact that they're being kept even from Wyden is especially indefensible.

The body he sits on, the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, is charged with providing "vigilant legislative oversight over the intelligence activities of the United States," to ensure "that they conform with the Constitution and U.S. law." There is no one in America more justified in demanding to know the official legal rationale behind actions like targeted killings. Obama isn't just keeping this information from the American people. He isn't just hiding his legal reasoning from the U.S. Congress. He is stonewalling one of 15 senators that federal law establishes as the most important check on secret abuses by the CIA.


On blanket spying on every American without seeking a due process warrant each time someone is spied upon as the Forth Amendment requires.

Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) on Friday disputed a claim President Obama made at a press conference only moments earlier, when the president said that every member of Congress had been briefed on the National Security Agency's (NSA) domestic phone surveillance program.

Merkley said only select members of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees had been briefed on the program, and that he was only aware of it because he obtained "special permission" to review the pertinent documents after hearing about it second-hand.

"I knew about the program because I specifically sought it out," Merkley said on MSNBC. "It's not something that's briefed outside the Intelligence Committee. I had to get special permission to find out about the program. It raised concerns for me. ... When I saw what was being done, I felt it was so out of sync with the plain language of the law and that it merited full public examination, and that's why I called for the declassification."
 
2013-06-09 04:49:09 AM  
Completely shredding one of the central promises of change in his entire campaign.

President Obama has picked a former telecommunications lobbyist and campaign fund-raiser to serve as chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, raising serious questions about his 2007 pledge that corporate lobbyists would not finance his campaign or run his administration.

Let's put AT&T's guy in charge of regulating AT&T. That's exactly the sort of change we were promised, amirite?
 
2013-06-09 05:00:31 AM  
 
2013-06-09 05:13:58 AM  
 
2013-06-09 05:25:09 AM  
 
2013-06-09 08:41:20 AM  

Infernalist: Disband the Congress?


Quoted because it's poetic.
 
2013-06-09 09:29:29 AM  

Vinz_Clortho: thamike: Vinz_Clortho: thamike: No.  I'm still hoping right wing dickbags will change.  It sucks and seems useless, but that's what hope's all about, really.

Vinz_Clortho: 51. Killed Space Program.

See?  i hope this dickbag changes.

Typical lib...don't like a comment.  Resort to '5th-grade name calling'.

Typical dickbag...makes a stupid comment, refuses to own it.

Are you 10?


Look, if you realize how ridiculous your initial statement was, just say so, and we don't have to prolong this.
 
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