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(Boing Boing)   Old and busted: QWERTY. New hotness: KALQ   (boingboing.net) divider line 45
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2013-06-07 11:35:43 PM  
tfa: eight hour's use will train you to be able to enter text faster than you would be able to with a QWERTY layout

Really?  You want us to believe that two fingers are faster than ten fingers?

/really?
 
2013-06-07 11:57:51 PM  
Wow. That was quite the in-depth article.
 
2013-06-08 12:34:12 AM  
tried kalq. for someone who uses alpha-numeric frequently, this does not have any measure of efficiency.
 
2013-06-08 12:50:33 AM  
I'm thinking repetitive motion injuries.
 
2013-06-08 01:14:47 AM  

Sgygus: tfa: eight hour's use will train you to be able to enter text faster than you would be able to with a QWERTY layout

Really?  You want us to believe that two fingers are faster than ten fingers?

/really?


I think they mean using two fingers in KALQ versus two fingers in QWERTY.
 
2013-06-08 01:19:28 AM  

Sgygus: tfa: eight hour's use will train you to be able to enter text faster than you would be able to with a QWERTY layout

Really?  You want us to believe that two fingers are faster than ten fingers?

/really?


Really?  You want us to believe that you use all ten fingers when texting on a cell phone?

/really?
 
2013-06-08 01:20:23 AM  

brimed03: Sgygus: tfa: eight hour's use will train you to be able to enter text faster than you would be able to with a QWERTY layout

Really?  You want us to believe that two fingers are faster than ten fingers?

/really?

I think they mean using two fingers in KALQ versus two fingers in QWERTY.


They're talking about THUMB typing. They've improved THUMB typing. It's like a new improved way to step on a rake.
 
2013-06-08 01:21:39 AM  
There's a "better" keyboard out there.

It was called DEVORAK. Anyone remember it?
 
2013-06-08 01:28:16 AM  
sloan.stanford.edu
 
2013-06-08 01:28:56 AM  

TheZorker: There's a "better" keyboard out there.

It was called DEVORAK. Anyone remember it?


No, but I've heard of a dvorak keyboard.
 
2013-06-08 01:34:12 AM  
This sounds like an ergonomic nightmare. There's no way i could comfortably type with my thumbs while holding a tablet.
 
2013-06-08 01:41:36 AM  
You could also try Calcucorn, though I wouldn't recommend it for any precision engineering projects.

farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2013-06-08 01:42:18 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: TheZorker: There's a "better" keyboard out there.

It was called DEVORAK. Anyone remember it?

No, but I've heard of a dvorak keyboard.


That's what I get for a Phonetic memory. Hat tip to you, sir.
 
2013-06-08 02:04:17 AM  
For the longest time I thought that the Dvorak keyboard was just this off the wall thing put together by PC journalist John C. Dvorak. I didn't know they were unrelated and that the keyboard was actually fairly well-used (as obscure PC things go).
 
2013-06-08 02:06:37 AM  
I prefer the classic simplicity of  the keyboard used by real programmers:

media.techeblog.com
 
2013-06-08 02:06:57 AM  

TheZorker: There's a "better" keyboard out there.

It was called DEVORAK. Anyone remember it?


What's that one of the guys in Game of Thrones?
 
2013-06-08 02:07:32 AM  

sendtodave: TheZorker: There's a "better" keyboard out there.

It was called DEVORAK. Anyone remember it?

What's that one of the guys in Game of Thrones?


"Wasn't."  Christ, I need a nap.
 
2013-06-08 02:12:55 AM  
Can I get the qwerty layout organized like that on each side of the screen? I'd probably do just fine with it.
 
2013-06-08 02:37:43 AM  
I'm waiting for Nuance to fix the bugs in Dragon.

dollarmonger.com
 
2013-06-08 02:37:43 AM  
multiling or hacker's keyboard do the job well enough without the need to learn yet another layout and with the option to swap in your own if you really need it.

as a bonus, they work for the other 4 scripts and 7 languages I type in regularly and are free (hacker's is foss if i am not badly mistaken).
 
2013-06-08 02:39:04 AM  
i will outype anyone on my ipad

get used to it u geeks

tablet rules

keyboard drules

- posted from my iPad
 
2013-06-08 02:51:11 AM  
img96.imageshack.us

Still the king.
 
2013-06-08 02:56:24 AM  
cdn.pcandtech.com

I always wanted to try one of these. shiat, it's only $300 now. For a while they were out of business because these are outrageous keyboards.

/Next time I need to pointlessly spend money.
 
2013-06-08 03:03:36 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: I'm thinking repetitive motion injuries.


i291.photobucket.com

I detect masturbatory overtones
 
2013-06-08 03:08:40 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: No, but I've heard of a dvorak keyboard.


I could see one-handed dvorak being better for tablets than kalq. Using one hand would be much more efficient than two thumbs and still allow you to hold the tablet.
 
2013-06-08 03:09:27 AM  

Mike_LowELL: i will outype anyone on my ipad

get used to it u geeks

tablet rules

keyboard drules

- posted from my iPad


I thought 'Wow, this guy is an idiot.' And then I saw who posted it.
 
2013-06-08 03:34:36 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: cameroncrazy1984: No, but I've heard of a dvorak keyboard.

I could see one-handed dvorak being better for tablets than kalq. Using one hand would be much more efficient than two thumbs and still allow you to hold the tablet.


I'm not sure if that would be a good idea or not.  I have a feeling that it'd still be pretty tough because you can't touch-type without physical keys, and you wouldn't be able to see through your hand.  Still, it's almost guaranteed to be better than most default keyboards, and probably better than TFA's idea.

For phones I'm a big fan of the MessagEase keyboard, everyone should try it.  Any full-size-keyboard layout makes absolutely no sense on a phone, you simply can't type the same way.

/ love Dvorak on PC, used to think it'd be a good idea on phones but it's as useless as Qwerty there
 
2013-06-08 03:45:05 AM  
Cool, I can type up my esperanto essays on it!
 
2013-06-08 04:23:39 AM  
I predict great success in the tech world for this very cuil idea.
 
2013-06-08 05:38:04 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: I prefer the classic simplicity of  the keyboard used by real programmers:

[media.techeblog.com image 450x330]


isnt done just two?
 
2013-06-08 06:47:11 AM  
I just installed this and while I can't say for what would happen if I used it for eight hours, I can say that I won't be using it for eight house. Thumb typing is not something I do with a qwerty-layout on my phone so it felt really weird in addition to having to hunt every letter. I did like that put all the vowels to the right. Typing in Swedish was not an option though as I still haven't found ÅÄÖ and it was confusing that Y was on the left side (yes, it is a vowel here).
 
2013-06-08 08:38:31 AM  

Sgygus: tfa: eight hour's use will train you to be able to enter text faster than you would be able to with a QWERTY layout

Really?  You want us to believe that two fingers are faster than ten fingers?

/really?


The speed I've seen some kids text each other is impressive and they're only using two thumbs.   Ok, sure they're sending gibberish to each other but on the other hand they're typing THAT fast... IN CODE!

/It's not code.
//It's bollocks.
 
2013-06-08 11:47:43 AM  
Yes, but can KALQ run QWOP?
 
2013-06-08 12:00:06 PM  

dready zim: Cool, I can type up my esperanto essays on it!


Lojban is where everyone is at these days
 
2013-06-08 01:24:38 PM  
Great! I don't text.
 
2013-06-08 01:49:27 PM  

Abner Doon: MessagEase


Thanks for the reco.  Just installed this on my Note II.

My previous phone/tablet (Galaxy Tab 7.0+) was just the right size for comfortable QWERTY thumb-typing in portrait mode, but when I moved back to the States, I had to get a new device.  The Note is amazing, but since I was really used to doing everything on a tablet, it feels a little cramped.  Swype is pretty nice as a stopgap, but this looks like a better design.

(I know, I'm probably the only person on the planet who thinks a 5.5" phone is too small.)
 
2013-06-08 05:25:06 PM  

TheZorker: cameroncrazy1984: TheZorker: There's a "better" keyboard out there.

It was called DEVORAK. Anyone remember it?

No, but I've heard of a dvorak keyboard.

That's what I get for a Phonetic memory. Hat tip to you, sir.


Years ago I reconfigured my keyboard for DVORAK but eventually switched back.  It's a great layout but unless you never use any other PC or it gets universally adopted it's gets not happening.

/and people don't understand your typos.
 
2013-06-08 06:15:36 PM  

relaxitsjustme: Years ago I reconfigured my keyboard for DVORAK but eventually switched back. It's a great layout but unless you never use any other PC or it gets universally adopted it's gets not happening.


I have used dvoark for ten years and it is now on both my work and home computers.  It's not hard to switch back and forth based on whether you're at "your" computer or somebody else's, just like a bilingual person changing languages depending on context.
 
2013-06-08 06:58:29 PM  
nononononono

I've been using qwerty for over 20 yrs now and I know where all the letters are without thinking. Leave me alone!

*runs off crying*
 
2013-06-08 08:20:43 PM  
Would still be relevant:

www.bitboost.com
 
2013-06-08 09:48:19 PM  

Sgygus: tfa: eight hour's use will train you to be able to enter text faster than you would be able to with a QWERTY layout

Really?  You want us to believe that two fingers are faster than ten fingers?

/really?


For tablet users typing with their thumbs, I think, is the context of the comparison. It's clearly slower than using a full-size keyboard for a touch typist, and their comparison makes sense because QWERTY, Dvorak, and other full-size keyboard layouts for touch typing just aren't optimized for thumb-typing use.
 
2013-06-08 10:00:30 PM  

Ihaveanevilparrot: nononononono

I've been using qwerty for over 20 yrs now and I know where all the letters are without thinking. Leave me alone!

*runs off crying*


This!

I say we tar, feather, and run out of town with torches and pitchforks any motherfarker who tries to phase in new keyboard layouts.   It will start with the children... You just watch, wait and see...  They will make it mandatory in schools and soon every one of us will find ourselves in a world unable to compete with these young farktards on our lawns...  they will quite literally plan and implement our obsolescence as a generation before our very eyes.
 
2013-06-08 10:39:31 PM  

FormlessOne: For tablet users typing with their thumbs, I think, is the context of the comparison.


You could very well be right about that.

/now that I read the first sentence of the article more carefully
 
kab
2013-06-08 11:40:10 PM  
Good luck with that.
 
2013-06-09 01:23:26 AM  
androidspin.com

Look into it.
 
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