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(Christian Broadcasting Network)   Cincinnati IRS agents say they got their marching orders from Washington -- AH HA I KNEW IT -- ...officials in the IRS home office. ARRGH   (cbn.com ) divider line
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2013-06-07 06:09:03 PM  
2 votes:
These Tea Party groups could still function without tax-exempt status. The only reason they applied for it was to keep from disclosing who their donors are.

Which says a lot about them to me than this "scandal" does.
2013-06-07 06:05:30 PM  
2 votes:
GOP: I promise we'll tie this to Obama somehow... just give us some more time. Please note, we don't actually care about what happened. We just want to tie it to Obama
2013-06-07 05:43:27 PM  
2 votes:

super_grass: Pffft, IRSgate is SOOOO last month.

Eavesdropgate is the new hotness right now.


Unfortunately the public is so tired of the last few years of the GOP's fabricated bullshiat "scandals" that now that there's actually something worth getting concerned about, no one really cares.
2013-06-07 05:21:20 PM  
2 votes:
Do liberals honestly live in a bubble?  Why is subby surprised by this?  It was always the argument from the right that this was larger than 2 rogue agents in cincinatti.  It was always the argument that Benghazi was not about a YouTube video.  It was the liberals leaders pushing those myths.

In regards to the IRS, it was always stated by the GOP two things: a) the targeting was more widespread than one office, b) The White House knew more than they initially reported.  B was proven false quickly with Carney continuing to change when people in the White House knew.  A is being show to also be true.  Why is this a shock to you subby?

The most disconcerting part is still the fact that the IG refuses to investigate the LEAKS OF PRIVATE DOCUMENTS to liberals groups like ProPublica.  In fact, they are now hiding behind Nixonian era rules to state they can't let NOW know who leaked their documents.  The leaking of these documents is BY FAR the scariest part of everything.  It is the pure abuse of political power to try and subvert a political opponent.  Yet liberals continue to try and blame the victim for being abused.
2013-06-07 05:09:35 PM  
2 votes:

Grungehamster: That has to be the most ineffectual political persecutions ever: these groups were allowed to operate as tax-exempt charities and were not required to disclose their donor lists unless their 1040s were rejected (which they weren't.) The testamony of the affected groups supports this: they did plenty of political work in the interim between application and approval.


I wish my comrades would be "persecuted" by being granted non-profit status we're not qualified for instead of... y'know... being shot at and then trotted in front of grand juries in political witchhunts.
2013-06-07 04:12:34 PM  
2 votes:

I've always wondered what the Christian Broadcasting Network's view on tax exemption is. What type of guide might the Christian Broadcasting Network use when it comes to tax exemption?

"Doesn't your teacher pay the "Temple tax"

And Peter replied: "Yes, he does".


"What do you think, Simon?" he asked. "From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes-from their own children or from others?"


"From others," Peter answered. "Then the children are exempt," Jesus said to him, implying that as the son of God, he is exempt from paying God's tax. Then Jesus said:


"But so that we may not cause offense, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours."




So, it seems like even though Jesus felt he was exempt from paying certain taxes, he paid them anyways.
2013-06-07 11:33:39 PM  
1 vote:

MyRandomName: It's okay to target political groups you disagree with at extra cost and extra time... as long as the results end the same!  Wow what an ignorant stance you have taken.  Thousands of dollars for groups (shipping costs, printing costs) for materials.  Thousands of dollars for lawyers.  Fear of being charged with perjury on questions like "what is the content of your prayers?".  27 months to approve versus 9 months on average for liberal groups.  The leaking of confidential information by agents to liberal groups.


That comes from the USA Today article linked in this thread, and it's a lie. 27 months to approve versus 9 months  at the fastest. USA Today doesn't identify what about these groups make them seem "liberal," nor does it give us an "average" figure. They just say "in as little as."
2013-06-07 10:49:43 PM  
1 vote:

tenpoundsofcheese: Zeppelininthesky: tenpoundsofcheese: Zeppelininthesky: Looks like the IRS sent the liberal groups the same exact questionnaire.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-15/irs-sent-same-letter-to-dem oc rats-that-fed-tea-party-row.html

No, FTFA it does not say they got the exact same questionnaire.
It said three groups face inquiries

The questionnaire is a completely different thing than getting a letter from the IRS questioning your status.

Oh, the humanity:  http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/Form14449.pdf

Keep trying.
That is not the supplemental questionaire that was sent out.
you aren't even trying anymore, are you?

here


And to think, the Tea Party had to jump through those hoops just because they didn't want to disclose their donors.
2013-06-07 10:46:14 PM  
1 vote:
If they were "conservative" groups, then they were political, and not only should they have been examined, they shouldn't have gotten the exemption.
2013-06-07 08:21:51 PM  
1 vote:

MyRandomName: Do liberals honestly live in a bubble?  Why is subby surprised by this?  It was always the argument from the right that this was larger than 2 rogue agents in cincinatti.  It was always the argument that Benghazi was not about a YouTube video.  It was the liberals leaders pushing those myths.

In regards to the IRS, it was always stated by the GOP two things: a) the targeting was more widespread than one office, b) The White House knew more than they initially reported.  B was proven false quickly with Carney continuing to change when people in the White House knew.  A is being show to also be true.  Why is this a shock to you subby?

The most disconcerting part is still the fact that the IG refuses to investigate the LEAKS OF PRIVATE DOCUMENTS to liberals groups like ProPublica.  In fact, they are now hiding behind Nixonian era rules to state they can't let NOW know who leaked their documents.  The leaking of these documents is BY FAR the scariest part of everything.  It is the pure abuse of political power to try and subvert a political opponent.  Yet liberals continue to try and blame the victim for being abused.


Maybe it would be taken more seriously if you folks hadn't already started birthergate, muslimgate, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.
2013-06-07 06:39:31 PM  
1 vote:

CynicalLA: Wessoman: You with me, or do you still want to fark that dead chicken?

That's a hard one without seeing the chicken.


Well, Republicans are naturally inclined to stick their genitals deep within any available poultry.
2013-06-07 06:10:39 PM  
1 vote:

Zeppelininthesky: They are not allowed to be *primarily* political. Some conservative groups lied on their application, and went right to being a primarily political and endorsing a particular political candidate and giving money for political ads


This is something I've always wanted to bring up about 501c's. Is there a mechanism of review for 501c's? I mean, I think that application for a tax exempt status should only last two years, and every single time there must be a review. If the organization strays too much from their intended mission statement, the tax-exempt status should be revoked. I would wager a lot of tea party organizations would be purged off the list this way.

But I brought this up a couple of days ago in the Komen thread. Basically, groups like Komen, Peta, MADD, used to be about one issue, got their 501c status, and have a completely different mission statement. Komen used to be about breast cancer research, but now it's a marketing tool and had briefly dabbled into politics (Which, of course, was a disaster). MADD went from taking keys away from drunks to being quasi-facist neoprohibitionists. And Peta went from being an animal rights advocacy group to some Vegan sexist cult.

I see a lot of Tea Party groups in the same light. Anti-Tax awareness groups, on paper, becoming hyperpolitical advocacy groups after earning their 501c status. What bothers me about this scandal is the chilling effect. Now, in general, there will be far less scruitiny on 501c groups, period.
2013-06-07 05:53:07 PM  
1 vote:

Befuddled: What exactly is wrong with giving extra scrutiny to those who give reason to have extra scrutiny? The tax-exempt status isn't supposed to go to political organizations so an organization with the words 'tea party' in their name should raise a red flag and generate extra attention just like wearing a t-shirt with the word 'terrorist' on the front while trying to go through security at an airport will get you extra attention.


They are qualified to be tax-exempt, they just should have filed as a 527 if their goals were primarily political. Both just as tax-exempt, the difference is whether or not they have to report their donors and the amount they donated to the FEC.
2013-06-07 05:44:40 PM  
1 vote:

jehovahs witness protection: And the Fark regulars swallow Obama's load to hide any evidence.


Tax exempt groups are not allowed to be political.   What the hell is so hard about that to understand.
2013-06-07 05:42:43 PM  
1 vote:

MyRandomName: Do liberals honestly live in a bubble?


Turn off the projector.
2013-06-07 05:34:33 PM  
1 vote:

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Since not a one of them should have been approved, I find your concern hilarious


if that's the case, then progressive groups should be held to the same standard, but weren't
2013-06-07 05:29:08 PM  
1 vote:

jehovahs witness protection: And the Fark regulars swallow Obama's load to hide any evidence.


Just like your mom
2013-06-07 05:07:23 PM  
1 vote:

vernonFL: jehovahs witness protection: And the Fark regulars swallow Obama's load to hide any evidence.

Obama was so afraid of the Tea Party that he ordered the IRS to not approve any tea party groups' tax exemption applications. And he's counting on all us Fark Libs to hide the evidence for him.

Of course, he's right, we will.


That has to be the most ineffectual political persecutions ever: these groups were allowed to operate as tax-exempt charities and were not required to disclose their donor lists unless their 1040s were rejected (which they weren't.) The testamony of the affected groups supports this: they did plenty of political work in the interim between application and approval.

This is still a case where I think the IRS screwed up majorly by targetting conservative political groups not political groups of all stripes. However, the harm was delays in approval and requests for more detailed information in the processing of a form they had no legal requirement to file as a 501c4.
2013-06-07 04:54:49 PM  
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jehovahs witness protection: And the Fark regulars swallow Obama's load to hide any evidence.


I bet you swallow Drew's load Mr. Obvious Fark Mod. It's how you got your paid Troll job.
2013-06-07 04:28:03 PM  
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And the Fark regulars swallow Obama's load to hide any evidence.
 
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