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2013-06-07 11:36:56 AM  
Then pull them over and write them a ticket. If you want to share the road then follow the rules of the road
 
2013-06-07 11:53:15 AM  
I'll get the popcorn.
 
2013-06-07 12:11:48 PM  
Bicyclists ignoring the law.

So, today is Friday, right?
 
2013-06-07 12:13:29 PM  
FTA: Cyclists who zip along... faster than the 15 mph speed limit may find their free-wheeling ways costing them $50.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/06/07/5478327/slow-down-or-risk-ticket-sac r amento.html#storylink=cpy

Last I checked, my bike doesn't have a speedometer.  Until they mandate all bikes have speedometers, this is BS.
 
2013-06-07 12:13:38 PM  
The purpose of a stop sign is to facilitate traffic flow.  If on my bike I'm going to slow down and if there's nobody at an intersection I'm not going to stop.  If there is somebody there, I will definitely stop.
 
2013-06-07 12:13:45 PM  
Newsflash: motorists routinely do fast rolling "stops" through stop signs and red lights (turning right) as well. We all do it.
 
2013-06-07 12:14:37 PM  
That's because we actually have to use muscle power to get going, unlike drivers who might get a blister on their right pinky toe while using the accelerator. But you go on thinking that there's no difference between two-ton steel boxes powered by dino juice and lightweight human machines powered by Pop-Tarts.
 
2013-06-07 12:15:36 PM  
Fark you bicyclists. Just fark you!
 
2013-06-07 12:16:26 PM  

hardinparamedic: Bicyclists ignoring the law.

So, today is Friday, right?


I used to think that was just a meme, until I moved to an area popular with cyclists.

If I had a nickel for every time a group of pricks cyclists wearing Spandex and speed helmets, and riding narrow wheel racing bikes were holding up traffic for miles while puttering along at slightly above walking speed in the middle of a two lane country road...
 
2013-06-07 12:16:57 PM  
Subby takes the very last line of the article to create outrage. Fark.com

More to the point of the article. Keep your pace line off the ped paths, jerks.

/commuter cyclist
//mountain biker
///ride casually on shared paved trails
 
2013-06-07 12:17:25 PM  

hardinparamedic: Bicyclists ignoring the law.

So, today is Friday, right?


JimCarrey.jpg
 
2013-06-07 12:17:52 PM  

Gleeman: If I had a nickel for every time a group of pricks cyclists wearing Spandex and speed helmets, and riding narrow wheel racing bikes were holding up traffic for miles while puttering along at slightly above walking speed in the middle of a two lane country road...


You should get off your fat ass and join them.
 
2013-06-07 12:18:07 PM  
BIKER BASHING THREAD!
 
2013-06-07 12:19:20 PM  

Gleeman: I used to think that was just a meme, until I moved to an area popular with cyclists.

If I had a nickel for every time a group of pricks cyclists wearing Spandex and speed helmets, and riding narrow wheel racing bikes were holding up traffic for miles while puttering along at slightly above walking speed in the middle of a two lane country road...


Come to Memphis.

The City and County Taxpayers united to build a 4 million dollar (current figure, will go up as they build onto it), exclusively for bikes road which runs through the center of the county from one end of it to the other, that has 24 hour police patrol and multiple jump-off points to major residential, shopping, and entertainment areas of Memphis.

Seeing as how that wasn't good enough, they still ride down the lanes on Madison and Poplar Avenue, two very busy thoroughfares through the center of the city.
 
2013-06-07 12:20:48 PM  
 
2013-06-07 12:21:34 PM  

Jument: Newsflash: motorists routinely do fast rolling "stops" through stop signs and red lights (turning right) as well. We all do it.


Not at 20+mph as the cyclists do at the bottom of a shallow hill near my house near a school and bus stop where there are both kids and seniors crossing.
 
2013-06-07 12:23:03 PM  
Sometimes I'm a bicyclist.

Sometimes I'm a car.

Sometimes I'm a pedestrian.

It depends on what will allow me to get from point A to point B as quickly as possible.

/life as a bike

*I do not own a bike
 
2013-06-07 12:23:37 PM  

theorellior: Gleeman: If I had a nickel for every time a group of pricks cyclists wearing Spandex and speed helmets, and riding narrow wheel racing bikes were holding up traffic for miles while puttering along at slightly above walking speed in the middle of a two lane country road...

You should get off your fat ass and join them.


Spandex is a privilege, not a right.

Stretch pants and regular pants only share the word "pants" -- they are not replacements for pants -- please put some real pants on. I don't want to see cellulite through stretch pants.
 
2013-06-07 12:24:28 PM  

Jument: Newsflash: motorists routinely do fast rolling "stops" through stop signs and red lights (turning right) as well. We all do it.


What you describe is a "California Stop."  True that motorists do that.   Bicyclists don't even do that, and you know it.
 
2013-06-07 12:25:04 PM  
eugenebicyclist.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-07 12:26:01 PM  

LessO2: Jument: Newsflash: motorists routinely do fast rolling "stops" through stop signs and red lights (turning right) as well. We all do it.

What you describe is a "California Stop."  True that motorists do that.   Bicyclists don't even do that, and you know it.


You generalities and assumptions make you a dick.

See how that works?
 
2013-06-07 12:26:33 PM  

lohphat: Stretch pants and regular pants only share the word "pants" -- they are not replacements for pants -- please put some real pants on. I don't want to see cellulite through stretch pants.


I'm trying to get something going here, next time reply in the most incendiary terms possible.
 
2013-06-07 12:26:51 PM  

abhorrent1: Fark you bicyclists. Just fark you!


I wish I could vote for this more times.
 
2013-06-07 12:29:09 PM  
This just in - local government just announced a major contract with a for-profit private company to install and operate bicycle stop sign cameras.

How would a bicyclist be able to determine their speed since a speedometer is not a mandatory item on a two wheeler?
 
2013-06-07 12:29:42 PM  

LessO2: What you describe is a "California Stop." True that motorists do that. Bicyclists don't even do that, and you know it.


Bicyclists even do that at red lights. I bet it chaps your hide pretty sore, doesn't it? There outta be a law!
 
2013-06-07 12:31:24 PM  

theorellior: Gleeman: If I had a nickel for every time a group of pricks cyclists wearing Spandex and speed helmets, and riding narrow wheel racing bikes were holding up traffic for miles while puttering along at slightly above walking speed in the middle of a two lane country road...

You should get off your fat ass and join them.


The funny part is, I'm skinnier than most of the people I see on the bikes.
 
2013-06-07 12:33:53 PM  
As someone who had a bicyclist blow through a red light and knock me off my feet in a crosswalk, I try to get as many kicks into bike-ragers as possible.
 
2013-06-07 12:36:08 PM  

theorellior: Bicyclists even do that at red lights. I bet it chaps your hide pretty sore, doesn't it? There outta be a law!


Not really.  Karma, and sometimes even Darwin, does their thing eventually.
 
2013-06-07 12:39:38 PM  

theorellior: That's because we actually have to use muscle power to get going, unlike drivers who might get a blister on their right pinky toe while using the accelerator. But you go on thinking that there's no difference between two-ton steel boxes powered by dino juice and lightweight human machines powered by Pop-Tarts.


As a cyclist, I stop at all red lights and at all stop signs regardless of traffic conditions. Traffic law does not provide exceptions based upon method of acceleration.
 
2013-06-07 12:40:10 PM  
Stories like these always bring fond memories of visiting Mackinac Island.  With three main forms of travel being horse, bike or walking they have a speed limit for bicycles just above walking speed.  The penalty is a few hours shoveling horse poop off the roads, and tourists must finish punishment before going home.  Balances everything out nicely.

/don't walk in the brown or yellow puddles
 
2013-06-07 12:40:36 PM  
I'm impressed with the thread so far. The last bike thread had dissolved into acrimony and tones of moral indignation by now.
 
2013-06-07 12:41:51 PM  

theorellior: I'm impressed with the thread so far. The last bike thread had dissolved into acrimony and tones of moral indignation by now.


f*ck you
 
2013-06-07 12:42:28 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: theorellior: I'm impressed with the thread so far. The last bike thread had dissolved into acrimony and tones of moral indignation by now.

f*ck you


i keed
 
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2013-06-07 12:46:08 PM  

sunami: The purpose of a stop sign is to facilitate traffic flow.  If on my bike I'm going to slow down and if there's nobody at an intersection I'm not going to stop.  If there is somebody there, I will definitely stop.


No the purpose of the stop sign is to tell you to stop, dipshirt. This is why rational people hate delta bravos on bikes (redundant, I know) who think traffic laws don't apply to them.
 
2013-06-07 12:46:39 PM  
I actually used to train for a marathon using the American River Parkway...the bicyclists over there treat it like they are training for the Tour de France...They all think the entire path belongs to them just because they are riding in ridiculously sized groups.

It may not be the answer for all areas, but for that particular place public safety has to come into play and the only way those guys are going to understand is if you hit them in their pocketbooks.
 
2013-06-07 12:46:57 PM  

sunami: The purpose of a stop sign is to facilitate traffic flow


Uh, I thought it was to prevent people from crashing in to each other.
 
2013-06-07 12:47:29 PM  
Let's get one thing straight.

Bicyclist are NOT BIKERS!

Bikers ride Motorcycles.

carry on.
 
2013-06-07 12:48:47 PM  
These threads remind me that cyclists take great pleasure in pissing off drivers.  I remember that while I'm driving.
 
2013-06-07 12:50:30 PM  

theorellior: That's because we actually have to use muscle power to get going, unlike drivers who might get a blister on their right pinky toe while using the accelerator. But you go on thinking that there's no difference between two-ton steel boxes powered by dino juice and lightweight human machines powered by Pop-Tarts.


I think you are missing the point. Everyone understands the physics involved. It's obvious that having to constantly stop and start a bicycle would require more energy from the cyclist.

However, 'just because it's harder' is not a valid reason for breaking the law. The inherent danger remains if someone blows through a stop sign or a red light, be it vehicle or bicycle. The convenience of the operator does not have any bearing on the matter.

It's obvious why a cyclist would want to pedal on through, but I don't think the woman on the sidewalk who just got hit by a car because the car swerved to avoid a bicycle that just blew through a stop sign would be sympathetic to the cyclist's desire to conserve energy and maintain momentum.
 
2013-06-07 12:50:44 PM  
The main thing that ticks me off about bike riders is that some of them ride on the wrong side of the street and against the flow of traffic.  I live in a college city and this occurs all the time (besides some of them blowing through stop signs like they don't apply to them).
 
2013-06-07 12:51:42 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: rikkitikkitavi: theorellior: I'm impressed with the thread so far. The last bike thread had dissolved into acrimony and tones of moral indignation by now.

f*ck you

i keed


You sound just like a scofflaw cyclist who has no respect for the rules of the road and will die in a mangled heap under the wheels of a lazy whiner who only breaks a sweat if his Starbucks spills on the leather upholstery.
 
2013-06-07 12:54:12 PM  

The Muthaship: These threads remind me that cyclists take great pleasure in pissing off drivers.  I remember that while I'm driving.


I cycle for exercise and for transportation. I obey all traffic laws and I attempt to avoid being an obstruction for motorists. Cyclists who disregard traffic laws or who cause unnecessary traffic obstruction deserve the severe injuries that may result as a consequence of thei carelessness.
 
2013-06-07 12:55:37 PM  

HungryHungryHippo: However, 'just because it's harder' is not a valid reason for breaking the law.


I bet you never speed in your car, right? Nothing like a sanctimonious driver.
 
2013-06-07 12:58:23 PM  

PsyLord: Last I checked, my bike doesn't have a speedometer.  Until they mandate all bikes have speedometers, this is BS.


You can fix that for about $10 at Wally World, you know.
 
2013-06-07 01:00:00 PM  
Here for the Bicyclist hate...

Leaving ....oh so satisfied
 
2013-06-07 01:14:21 PM  
In other news, there are bicycle stop signs.
 
2013-06-07 01:16:50 PM  

theorellior: HungryHungryHippo: However, 'just because it's harder' is not a valid reason for breaking the law.

I bet you never speed in your car, right? Nothing like a sanctimonious driver.


I don't understand how that statement is relevant.

I'm not sure why you label me both 'sanctimonious' and 'driver'

My attempt to engage in a civil, constructive discussion was met with a snide, quasi-accusation with a side of incorrect assumptions.


My takeaway from this brief exchange is that rather that take the opportunity to state your case you chose to reinforce the cyclist stereotype of someone who feels 'rules don't apply to me' and thinks 'all motorists are jerks'.

However, unlike you, this <b>pedestrian</b> understands that there are both good and bad apples in every bunch (motorist/cyclist/pedestrian). I have my answer as to whether you are a good or bad apple.
 
2013-06-07 01:21:07 PM  

JonnyBGoode: In other news, there are bicycle stop signs.


I live a couple of counties west of Sacramento, where the bike paths not only have stop signs, but signs directing cyclists to "dismount and walk to the crossing".

Nobody obeys either.
 
2013-06-07 01:32:25 PM  
I travel on a road with a paved bike path along the side of it. I'll be damned if I don't see 2-3 bicyclists on the road slowing down traffic at least once a day.
And they don't stop at the farking stop signs either.

/Gives me a great excuse to honk at them as I'm coming up behind and passing them.
//Also I like to yell things out the window.
///I bike too, but I stay on the bike paths.
 
2013-06-07 01:33:31 PM  
 
2013-06-07 01:36:46 PM  
Simple solution:
Put the sign across the path at 40 inches. If you don't stop, you do a Wylie E. Coyote impression.
 
2013-06-07 01:37:30 PM  
FTFA: "clusters of cyclists hitting speeds of 30 mph"

Fun fact, this is also known as a "flamboyant"
 
2013-06-07 01:44:15 PM  

PsyLord: FTA: Cyclists who zip along... faster than the 15 mph speed limit may find their free-wheeling ways costing them $50.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/06/07/5478327/slow-down-or-risk-ticket-sac r amento.html#storylink=cpy
Last I checked, my bike doesn't have a speedometer.  Until they mandate all bikes have speedometers, this is BS.


Most states (mine included) do not require speedometers on motorcycles.  Can I use your defense as well?
 
2013-06-07 01:45:48 PM  

Badgers: relevant.


That was great.

Also, the American River Trail is one of the great bike rides in America. It's just the bike riders who often make it awful.
 
2013-06-07 01:55:34 PM  

Feltonl: Let's get one thing straight.

Bicyclist are NOT BIKERS!

Bikers ride Motorcycles.

carry on.


Bicycle ... Biker ...

Not finding those letters anywhere in "motorcycle". The proper term is "motorcyclist".
 
2013-06-07 01:56:23 PM  

Gleeman: theorellior: Gleeman: If I had a nickel for every time a group of pricks cyclists wearing Spandex and speed helmets, and riding narrow wheel racing bikes were holding up traffic for miles while puttering along at slightly above walking speed in the middle of a two lane country road...

You should get off your fat ass and join them.

The funny part is, I'm skinnier than most of the people I see on the bikes.


I was initially going to retort that at least my exercise does require me to get off my ass eg weights and running, unlike a cyclist, until I saw this comment as well:

theorellior: rikkitikkitavi: rikkitikkitavi: theorellior: I'm impressed with the thread so far. The last bike thread had dissolved into acrimony and tones of moral indignation by now.

f*ck you

i keed

You sound just like a scofflaw cyclist who has no respect for the rules of the road and will die in a mangled heap under the wheels of a lazy whiner who only breaks a sweat if his Starbucks spills on the leather upholstery.



Obvious troll is obvious.

/next target acquired
 
2013-06-07 01:57:40 PM  

PsyLord:
Last I checked, my bike doesn't have a speedometer.  Until they mandate all bikes have speedometers, this is BS.


6655321: This just in - local government just announced a major contract with a for-profit private company to install and operate bicycle stop sign cameras.

How would a bicyclist be able to determine their speed since a speedometer is not a mandatory item on a two wheeler?


Well... now I know where not to go on vacation...

What a pointless waste of resources. How about going out and trying to solve actual crimes? Oh... wait... assessing clues and arresting rapists, muggers and murderers is hard and doesn't return money to the city coffers... I think I figured out why nobody has faith in the government any more...

I'm a cyclist, and I quite literally never ride in a group. Any kind of down-slope will result in greater than 15mph. At this point, my cycling is largely for transport and less for fun, just because of shifts in lifestyle... I'd still be cheesed as hell if some smokey bear tried to give me a ticket for speeding. How do they plan on collecting that money? I can't imagine people voluntarily stepping up to pay such a stupid fine. What's the enforcement mechanism? Jail? For a bike speeding penalty? Hello 8th Amendment Civil Rights Lawsuit...
 
2013-06-07 02:05:01 PM  
For me the most annoying thing about cyclists is when they choose to be a legally recognized vehicle on the road only when it suits them.

This is one of those times.

/Cyclist
 
2013-06-07 02:13:33 PM  

NewbornRook: Obvious troll is obvious.


Usually you don't need to be subtle to get a cyclist thread going. I did it accidentally in the last bike thread I was in, I'm nowhere near professional.
 
2013-06-07 02:22:38 PM  

LessO2: Jument: Newsflash: motorists routinely do fast rolling "stops" through stop signs and red lights (turning right) as well. We all do it.

What you describe is a "California Stop."  True that motorists do that.   Bicyclists don't even do that, and you know it.


So you're saying that it's ok when drivers do it but not ok when cyclists do it? I agree that some cyclists break the rules of the road horribly, however the same is true of some drivers. If a cyclist is blowing a stop sign in a situation that is dangerous, they are in the wrong. If a cyclist is blowing through a stop sign at 10-15 mph in a situation that is relatively safe, no problem. That's exactly how many (I would say most) drivers behave.

You try being a runner on the sidewalk and see how often you are nearly killed by jackhole drivers making fast rolling stops whilst not looking where the fark they are going. Then come talk to me about how dangerous cyclists are.
 
2013-06-07 02:27:50 PM  

hardinparamedic: Bicyclists ignoring the law.

So, today is Friday

any day that ends in "day", right?

/FTFY
 
2013-06-07 02:28:49 PM  

Jument: Newsflash: motorists routinely do fast rolling "stops" through stop signs and red lights (turning right) as well. We all do it.


and they get tickets, not removal of the stop signs/lights..... I'm sorry, did you have a point?
 
2013-06-07 02:31:24 PM  
I was just waiting for another moron biker thread to post this yet again. For the umpteenth time a cyclist who blew through a red light and slammed into my car, flipping over the car and needing major back surgery due to the high speed he was riding and the way he hit the ground. Yet again, he has found an idiot lawyer that sent me a letter yesterday saying that I have to pay $$$. If I didn't have a dash cam, I would have been in real trouble. However the dash cam showed that I had a green light, delayed before entering the intersection, etc. as usual my lawyer will charge me $200 for sending a copy of the police report, the video, and ask that she be paid restitution for his lawyer bothering her and charging me if his lawyer does not pay up for not investigating before threatening to sue. The really sad thing is that my dashcam caught a biker blowing through a red light to have a cement truck go over her (he was going at a good rate of speed). Very obvious that she ran through the red to be killed. My local area has lots of parks, and I admit after these two incidents to being a jerk and calling the police on every major bike blow through stop sign that I see. The usually screaming jerks when the police pull them over shut up when I mention dash cam. On the better side, there are lots of organized bike rides in that area in the better weather months. The police guard every intersection and do a great job organizing traffic.
 
2013-06-07 02:36:58 PM  

ZeroPly: Feltonl: Let's get one thing straight.

Bicyclist are NOT BIKERS!

Bikers ride Motorcycles.

carry on.

Bicycle ... Biker ...

Not finding those letters anywhere in "motorcycle". The proper term is "motorcyclist".


I would like to make a humble suggestion: Go into a biker bar fully dressed in your "Biker" uniform (spandex, helmet, etc) and indicate that you are a "Biker" and please tell us your results.
 
2013-06-07 02:37:14 PM  
Just for fun:

hardinparamedic: Drivers ignoring the law.

So, today is Friday, right?


Gleeman: If I had a nickel for every time a group of prick drivers were holding up traffic for miles while puttering along at slightly above walking speed in the middle of a two lane country road...


que.guero: As someone who had a car blow through a red light and knock me off my feet in a crosswalk, I try to get as many kicks into car-ragers as possible.


All completely plausible posts, and yet we don't devolve to:

abhorrent1: Fark you drivers. Just fark you!

 
2013-06-07 02:37:37 PM  
As a road bike rider,  I do approve of more control. a couple weeks ago, I took my bike on the tram up to Sandia Peak. approx 10,500 fet, and elected to ride down the road. Thought I was gonna burn out my brakes, but just had my bike tuned, so all was well. Coming down some of those hills, you gotta watch for cars quite intently. I do use a GPS when I ride, and one hill I came down, in a 35 zone, I hit 57. With a 14 lb bike a fatality should an issue arise was virtually guaranteed. I made an error going that fat, and do not intend to repeat it.I do try to ride responsibly, stopping at stop signs and so forth, but truth be told, there are assholes on bikes, same as cars. Once, I was on a bike trail in town marked "no motorized bikes, when a guyon a motorized bike went past at about 25 MPH. I yelled out "no motorized bikes!, and he flipped me off. I caught up to him real fast, and asked what his problem was. No answer, as I expected. I chided him on being a dick (don't), and turned off. Haven't seen him since.
I'd ride my bike to work, but it's 30miles each way, and you have to go through a reservation, so not that feasible right now.
Moral of the story is, the road is full of dicks, so be careful. I mean, I've had soccer Moms almost run me down than slow down to let me pass.I've been hit by cars a few times, but so far everyone has stopped to help. I wear a helmet, and have very bright lights, so visibility is not an issue. Be courteous to others, and don't be a dick.
 
2013-06-07 02:51:54 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Jument: Newsflash: motorists routinely do fast rolling "stops" through stop signs and red lights (turning right) as well. We all do it.

and they get tickets, not removal of the stop signs/lights..... I'm sorry, did you have a point?


You'll note in this story that the stop signs are on a trail. Removing the trail stop signs encourages cyclist to ride the trail. The local gov't is making a decision to give cyclists on the trail the right of way in order to drive cyclist traffic on the trail and/or to make the trail/road traffic interaction better or safer in some way. This is not a case of cyclists not having to obey the rules of the road, because they aren't on one. So... I'm sorry, did you have a point?

In all seriousness, I was addressing the general bullshiat that most farkers spout on cyclist threads not TFA.
 
2013-06-07 03:00:43 PM  

Feltonl: Let's get one thing straight.

Bicyclist are NOT BIKERS!

Bikers ride Motorcycles.

carry on.


THIS!

And It's always fun to pull into a group of bicycle douches on my Harley.
 
2013-06-07 03:03:03 PM  
Dammit, who moved the Stop Sign?

cdn.ebaumsworld.com
 
2013-06-07 03:03:36 PM  

Jument: HindiDiscoMonster: Jument: Newsflash: motorists routinely do fast rolling "stops" through stop signs and red lights (turning right) as well. We all do it.

and they get tickets, not removal of the stop signs/lights..... I'm sorry, did you have a point?

You'll note in this story that the stop signs are on a trail. Removing the trail stop signs encourages cyclist to ride the trail. The local gov't is making a decision to give cyclists on the trail the right of way in order to drive cyclist traffic on the trail and/or to make the trail/road traffic interaction better or safer in some way. This is not a case of cyclists not having to obey the rules of the road, because they aren't on one. So... I'm sorry, did you have a point?

In all seriousness, I was addressing the general bullshiat that most farkers spout on cyclist threads not TFA.


and i made the same type of comparison you did... to make a point. :)
 
2013-06-07 03:04:09 PM  

Stone Meadow: PsyLord: Last I checked, my bike doesn't have a speedometer.  Until they mandate all bikes have speedometers, this is BS.

You can fix that for about $10 at Wally World, you know.


Hmm... interesting.  How does that device determine your speed?  I'm just curious because it doesn't look like it's wired to your wheel.  Nor is that item expensive enough to be GPS based.
 
2013-06-07 03:06:38 PM  

PsyLord: Stone Meadow: PsyLord: Last I checked, my bike doesn't have a speedometer.  Until they mandate all bikes have speedometers, this is BS.

You can fix that for about $10 at Wally World, you know.

Hmm... interesting.  How does that device determine your speed?  I'm just curious because it doesn't look like it's wired to your wheel.  Nor is that item expensive enough to be GPS based.


from one of the comments: "Installation was fairly easy. No tools were required the magnet attached easily to the spoke with a thumb screw and the other end attached to the post with zip ties. The actual computer slipped in easily to the holder which attached to the handle"
 
2013-06-07 03:07:01 PM  

Uzzah: Just for fun:

hardinparamedic: Drivers ignoring the law.

So, today is Friday, right?

Gleeman: If I had a nickel for every time a group of prick drivers were holding up traffic for miles while puttering along at slightly above walking speed in the middle of a two lane country road...

que.guero: As someone who had a car blow through a red light and knock me off my feet in a crosswalk, I try to get as many kicks into car-ragers as possible.

All completely plausible posts, and yet we don't devolve to:

abhorrent1: Fark you drivers. Just fark you!


When some asshole in a car runs through a red light and injures or kills someone, other car owners don't defend him.

Bicyclists would defend Jeffrey Dahmer if he road a fixie.
 
2013-06-07 03:10:42 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: ZeroPly: Feltonl: Let's get one thing straight.

Bicyclist are NOT BIKERS!

Bikers ride Motorcycles.

carry on.

Bicycle ... Biker ...

Not finding those letters anywhere in "motorcycle". The proper term is "motorcyclist".

I would like to make a humble suggestion: Go into a biker bar fully dressed in your "Biker" uniform (spandex, helmet, etc) and indicate that you are a "Biker" and please tell us your results.



There's no such thing as a "biker bar". Did you mean a "motorcyclist bar"?
 
2013-06-07 03:18:10 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: ZeroPly: Feltonl: Let's get one thing straight.

Bicyclist are NOT BIKERS!

Bikers ride Motorcycles.

carry on.

Bicycle ... Biker ...

Not finding those letters anywhere in "motorcycle". The proper term is "motorcyclist".

I would like to make a humble suggestion: Go into a biker bar fully dressed in your "Biker" uniform (spandex, helmet, etc) and indicate that you are a "Biker" and please tell us your results.


www.amarillolinux.com
 
2013-06-07 03:19:30 PM  

ZeroPly: HindiDiscoMonster: ZeroPly: Feltonl: Let's get one thing straight.

Bicyclist are NOT BIKERS!

Bikers ride Motorcycles.

carry on.

Bicycle ... Biker ...

Not finding those letters anywhere in "motorcycle". The proper term is "motorcyclist".

I would like to make a humble suggestion: Go into a biker bar fully dressed in your "Biker" uniform (spandex, helmet, etc) and indicate that you are a "Biker" and please tell us your results.


There's no such thing as a "biker bar". Did you mean a "motorcyclist bar"?


Go ahead and tell these guys.  I'm sure they will be very understanding.

www.ironhorsebiker.com
 
2013-06-07 03:24:12 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: PsyLord: Stone Meadow: PsyLord: Last I checked, my bike doesn't have a speedometer.  Until they mandate all bikes have speedometers, this is BS.

You can fix that for about $10 at Wally World, you know.

Hmm... interesting.  How does that device determine your speed?  I'm just curious because it doesn't look like it's wired to your wheel.  Nor is that item expensive enough to be GPS based.

from one of the comments: "Installation was fairly easy. No tools were required the magnet attached easily to the spoke with a thumb screw and the other end attached to the post with zip ties. The actual computer slipped in easily to the holder which attached to the handle"


Yup. Mine is wireless. I just clipped the magnet onto a spoke, and zip-tied the sensor/transmitter to the fork. Like this:

www.gadgetspage.com

My bike's sensor uses Bluetooth to communicate with the computer/readout up on the handlebar. Both the sensor and computer use common pancake-style camera batteries. During setup you enter the actual circumference of the tire in millimeters (I used a tape measure). It's very simple and easy to use. Cheap ones like this don't keep cadence or measure watts, but upgraded ones are affordable and easy to install.
 
2013-06-07 03:24:23 PM  

OgreMagi: Bicyclists would defend Jeffrey Dahmer if he road a fixie.


Untrue.  I've ridden more bicycle miles than any three people on this thread combined, and I would kill Dahmer TWICE for riding a fixie.

/don't get the love for urban fixed gear bikes.  They are not designed for that.
 
2013-06-07 03:31:42 PM  

OgreMagi: ZeroPly: There's no such thing as a "biker bar". Did you mean a "motorcyclist bar"?

Go ahead and tell these guys.  I'm sure they will be very understanding.

[www.ironhorsebiker.com image 850x595]


You posted the wrong picture. That's some sort of senior citizen bar with really old, wrinkled people. Where are the motorcycles?
 
2013-06-07 03:36:16 PM  

OgreMagi: Go ahead and tell these guys.  I'm sure they will be very understanding.


www.ironhorsebiker.com

I see your biker bar and raise you a cyclist bar...

msnbcmedia.msn.com
 
2013-06-07 03:42:37 PM  

Dimensio: theorellior: That's because we actually have to use muscle power to get going, unlike drivers who might get a blister on their right pinky toe while using the accelerator. But you go on thinking that there's no difference between two-ton steel boxes powered by dino juice and lightweight human machines powered by Pop-Tarts.

As a cyclist, I stop at all red lights and at all stop signs regardless of traffic conditions. Traffic law does not provide exceptions based upon method of acceleration.


Me too...hear, hear!!!
 
2013-06-07 03:45:25 PM  

Stone Meadow: I see your biker bar and raise you a cyclist bar...


OK buddy, you're going to have to explain that photo.
 
2013-06-07 03:47:08 PM  

ZeroPly: OgreMagi: ZeroPly: There's no such thing as a "biker bar". Did you mean a "motorcyclist bar"?

Go ahead and tell these guys.  I'm sure they will be very understanding.

[www.ironhorsebiker.com image 850x595]

You posted the wrong picture. That's some sort of senior citizen bar with really old, wrinkled people. Where are the motorcycles?


Go ahead and tell them that.
 
2013-06-07 03:48:38 PM  

Stone Meadow: OgreMagi: Go ahead and tell these guys.  I'm sure they will be very understanding.

[www.ironhorsebiker.com image 850x595]

I see your biker bar and raise you a cyclist bar...

[msnbcmedia.msn.com image 850x559]


I have no doubt who would win in a biker vs. bicyclist rumble.
 
2013-06-07 03:54:00 PM  

OgreMagi: I have no doubt who would win in a biker vs. bicyclist rumble.


Being that I don't think anyone under 75 uses the term "rumble", I'd say cyclists.
 
2013-06-07 03:54:26 PM  

OgreMagi: Stone Meadow: OgreMagi: Go ahead and tell these guys.  I'm sure they will be very understanding.

[www.ironhorsebiker.com image 850x595]

I see your biker bar and raise you a cyclist bar...

[msnbcmedia.msn.com image 850x559]

I have no doubt who would win in a biker vs. bicyclist rumble.


Why would you have any doubt? The elderly aren't exactly known for their fighting prowess.
 
2013-06-07 03:56:49 PM  

fireclown: Stone Meadow: I see your biker bar and raise you a cyclist bar...

OK buddy, you're going to have to explain that photo.


LOL...no explanation. I just got a chuckle out of Ogre's photo, so GIS'd for 'cyclist bar', and that photo popped up on the first page. Here's the article: Stationary cyclists race inside NYC bar

OgreMagi: I have no doubt who would win in a biker vs. bicyclist rumble.


Me too... ;^)
 
2013-06-07 03:58:12 PM  

Stone Meadow: LOL...no explanation. I just got a chuckle out of Ogre's photo, so GIS'd for 'cyclist bar', and that photo popped up on the first page. Here's the article: Stationary cyclists race inside NYC bar


Isn't that the same as dropping a quarter in the horsey ride in front of the supermarket?
 
2013-06-07 04:01:01 PM  

OgreMagi: Stone Meadow: LOL...no explanation. I just got a chuckle out of Ogre's photo, so GIS'd for 'cyclist bar', and that photo popped up on the first page. Here's the article: Stationary cyclists race inside NYC bar

Isn't that the same as dropping a quarter in the horsey ride in front of the supermarket?


Well, I guess we all now know that you are no cyclist... ;^)
 
2013-06-07 04:02:09 PM  

OgreMagi: Isn't that the same as dropping a quarter in the horsey ride in front of the supermarket?


Not entirely.  In the picture you can make out an old-school roller stand.  I'm betting that the rear rollers are wired to moniitors and they are competing to see who can put out the most energy in a fixed time.  It's sort of a cool idea.  You could use a regular stand as well.  Simpler, but not many people actually ride rollers.  I was never any good at them and stopped a very long time ago.
 
2013-06-07 04:04:12 PM  

Feltonl: Let's get one thing straight.

Bicyclist are NOT BIKERS!

Bikers ride Motorcycles.

carry on.


There a special kind of stupidity for BIKERS;  case in point.
 
2013-06-07 04:10:31 PM  

fireclown: OgreMagi: Isn't that the same as dropping a quarter in the horsey ride in front of the supermarket?

Not entirely.  In the picture you can make out an old-school roller stand.  I'm betting that the rear rollers are wired to moniitors and they are competing to see who can put out the most energy in a fixed time.  It's sort of a cool idea.  You could use a regular stand as well.  Simpler, but not many people actually ride rollers.  I was never any good at them and stopped a very long time ago.


Yeah, they're usually rollers:

imageshack.us

I used to have the balance for that when I was younger. Getting old sucks. A few more decades and the only thing I'll be good for is riding a Harley...
 
2013-06-07 04:14:24 PM  

ZeroPly: fireclown: OgreMagi: Isn't that the same as dropping a quarter in the horsey ride in front of the supermarket?

Not entirely.  In the picture you can make out an old-school roller stand.  I'm betting that the rear rollers are wired to moniitors and they are competing to see who can put out the most energy in a fixed time.  It's sort of a cool idea.  You could use a regular stand as well.  Simpler, but not many people actually ride rollers.  I was never any good at them and stopped a very long time ago.

Yeah, they're usually rollers:

[imageshack.us image 480x360]

I used to have the balance for that when I was younger. Getting old sucks. A few more decades and the only thing I'll be good for is riding a Harley...

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-07 04:16:57 PM  

OgreMagi: I used to have the balance for that when I was younger. Getting old sucks. A few more decades and the only thing I'll be good for is riding a Harley...


Oh, you're ADORABLE, OGREMAGI.  Now can you let the grownups talk about bikes?
 
2013-06-07 04:29:44 PM  

Stone Meadow: HindiDiscoMonster: PsyLord: Stone Meadow: PsyLord: Last I checked, my bike doesn't have a speedometer.  Until they mandate all bikes have speedometers, this is BS.

You can fix that for about $10 at Wally World, you know.

Hmm... interesting.  How does that device determine your speed?  I'm just curious because it doesn't look like it's wired to your wheel.  Nor is that item expensive enough to be GPS based.

from one of the comments: "Installation was fairly easy. No tools were required the magnet attached easily to the spoke with a thumb screw and the other end attached to the post with zip ties. The actual computer slipped in easily to the holder which attached to the handle"

Yup. Mine is wireless. I just clipped the magnet onto a spoke, and zip-tied the sensor/transmitter to the fork. Like this:

[www.gadgetspage.com image 400x300]

My bike's sensor uses Bluetooth to communicate with the computer/readout up on the handlebar. Both the sensor and computer use common pancake-style camera batteries. During setup you enter the actual circumference of the tire in millimeters (I used a tape measure). It's very simple and easy to use. Cheap ones like this don't keep cadence or measure watts, but upgraded ones are affordable and easy to install.


isn't bluetooth what you get from eating too many pieces of blueberry pie?
 
2013-06-07 04:31:31 PM  
Idaho Bicycle Law, suck it everyone else. Hey Drew, this doesn't mean we still don't deserve an Idaho tag.

49-720.STOPPING -- TURN AND STOP SIGNALS.(1) A person operating a bicycle or human-powered vehicle approaching a stop sign shall slow down and, if required for safety, stop before entering the intersection. After slowing to a reasonable speed or stopping, the person shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle in the intersection or approaching on another highway so closely as to constitute an immediate hazard during the time the person is moving across or within the intersection or junction of highways, except that a person after slowing to a reasonable speed and yielding the right-of-way if required, may cautiously make a turn or proceed through the intersection without stopping.(2)A person operating a bicycle or human-powered vehicle approaching a steady red traffic control light shall stop before entering the intersection and shall yield to all other traffic. Once the person has yielded, he may proceed through the steady red light with caution. Provided however, that a person after slowing to a reasonable speed and yielding the right-of-way if required, may cautiously make a right-hand turn. A left-hand turn onto a one-way highway may be made on a red light after stopping and yielding to other traffic.(3)A person riding a bicycle shall comply with the provisions of section(4)A signal of intention to turn right or left shall be given during not less than the last one hundred (100) feet traveled by the bicycle before turning, provided that a signal by hand and arm need not be given if the hand is needed in the control or operation of the bicycle.
 
2013-06-07 05:00:54 PM  
 
2013-06-07 05:47:40 PM  

sunami: The purpose of a stop sign is to facilitate traffic flow.  If on my bike I'm going to slow down and if there's nobody at an intersection I'm not going to stop.  If there is somebody there, I will definitely stop.


you are not very smart and i hope you wear a helmet

also hope the people you inevitably crash with are wearing proper safety gear as well
 
2013-06-07 05:51:40 PM  

6655321: This just in - local government just announced a major contract with a for-profit private company to install and operate bicycle stop sign cameras.

How would a bicyclist be able to determine their speed since a speedometer is not a mandatory item on a two wheeler?


you are right & i too advocate that cyclists on the road should be more road worthy - proper lighting / speedo / proper brakes (no fixies) / ride with your hands on the handle bar not on your smartphone or f'ing with your mp3 or just riding with no hands cause you are so badass

& also demonstrate proficiency with your vehicle of choice like everyone else on public roads  -  i.e. a freaking bike license - complete with fees & insurance

join the party assholes
 
2013-06-07 06:01:46 PM  

inner ted: sunami: The purpose of a stop sign is to facilitate traffic flow.  If on my bike I'm going to slow down and if there's nobody at an intersection I'm not going to stop.  If there is somebody there, I will definitely stop.

you are not very smart and i hope you wear a helmet

also hope the people you inevitably crash with are wearing proper safety gear as well


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-06-07 06:19:42 PM  

Stone Meadow: inner ted: sunami: The purpose of a stop sign is to facilitate traffic flow.  If on my bike I'm going to slow down and if there's nobody at an intersection I'm not going to stop.  If there is somebody there, I will definitely stop.

you are not very smart and i hope you wear a helmet

also hope the people you inevitably crash with are wearing proper safety gear as well

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 604x453]


you are obviously a fan of "no helmets"

duly noted
 
2013-06-07 07:10:52 PM  

inner ted: Stone Meadow: inner ted: sunami: The purpose of a stop sign is to facilitate traffic flow.  If on my bike I'm going to slow down and if there's nobody at an intersection I'm not going to stop.  If there is somebody there, I will definitely stop.

you are not very smart and i hope you wear a helmet

also hope the people you inevitably crash with are wearing proper safety gear as well

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 604x453]

you are obviously a fan of "no helmets"

duly noted


I guess that settles it...we'll go with stupid, since I am a big fan of helmets. I also ride still 60-100 miles a week year round at 60 years old, so am hardly a novice cyclist. It is your pompous attitude that impressed me, along with your certitude that sunami will inevitably crash into someone...presumably because he doesn't always come to a complete stop.

With this decision Sac. Co. is displaying uncommonly common sense IMO. Under many conditions bicycles simply don't need to come to a complete stop to safely negotiate intersections, and so the Co. is removing the signs. Good for them.
 
2013-06-07 09:19:48 PM  

exvaxman: I was just waiting for another moron biker thread to post this yet again. For the umpteenth time a cyclist who blew through a red light and slammed into my car, flipping over the car and needing major back surgery due to the high speed he was riding and the way he hit the ground. Yet again, he has found an idiot lawyer that sent me a letter yesterday saying that I have to pay $$$. If I didn't have a dash cam, I would have been in real trouble. However the dash cam showed that I had a green light, delayed before entering the intersection, etc. as usual my lawyer will charge me $200 for sending a copy of the police report, the video, and ask that she be paid restitution for his lawyer bothering her and charging me if his lawyer does not pay up for not investigating before threatening to sue. The really sad thing is that my dashcam caught a biker blowing through a red light to have a cement truck go over her (he was going at a good rate of speed). Very obvious that she ran through the red to be killed. My local area has lots of parks, and I admit after these two incidents to being a jerk and calling the police on every major bike blow through stop sign that I see. The usually screaming jerks when the police pull them over shut up when I mention dash cam. On the better side, there are lots of organized bike rides in that area in the better weather months. The police guard every intersection and do a great job organizing traffic.


Are you able to recommend a quality dashboard camera?
 
2013-06-07 09:25:35 PM  

inner ted: sunami: The purpose of a stop sign is to facilitate traffic flow.  If on my bike I'm going to slow down and if there's nobody at an intersection I'm not going to stop.  If there is somebody there, I will definitely stop.

you are not very smart and i hope you wear a helmet

also hope the people you inevitably crash with are wearing proper safety gear as well


Fark's sake, did you even read my post right above the one you replied to? State law in Idaho allows rolling stops and stop and go on red lights. It's not a problem. Why should bicycles have to stop at stop signs especially if it's plain old back neighborhood streets with 5 or 6 cars an hour.
 
2013-06-07 10:44:51 PM  
Yeah, you can have MUPs. Speed limits are the only solution, because you have pedestrians wandering all over like baby ducks. Though it has gotten a little better as cycling has become more popular, the great majority of people out there still have no idea how fast a reasonably fit person a decent road bicycle can go. They have never gone faster than twelve MPH, except for that one time they scared themselves by hitting twenty two coming down a hill. As they cycle near walking speed, they can't imagine why anyone would get upset at them for (to give an example that I frequently encounter on the short section of a little used MUP that I occasionally ride on) walking on one side of the path, while their dog walks on the other, with the leash stretched across. So, the slowest common denominator wins, and they get the path. You don't have to threaten me with a ticket, I don't want to run over some little kid. So I stay away, and use the roads.
 
2013-06-08 01:13:06 PM  
I don't care about either "cyclists", or "bikers". To me, they're all the same whether you're a fat faark on a hog, or on a cycle.I have both. Ride my cycle a lot more than my bike. Truth be told, I spent 3XS as much on my cycle as I did om my BMW. I've yet to take my  motorcycle out of my subdivision, but ride my cycle just about anywhere. Just bought a 29 incher cycle too.
Don't worry about speedometers, since I use a Garmin GPS. the Days of cheep Speedos, I passed that a long time ago.  I can plug mine into the lptop, it'll give me direction, time altitude, and I can import the data into google to give me a trip log on a map. Don't doi it often, but I can. Can also do heart rate too.
 
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