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(Globe and Mail)   Canada's has its own Game of Thrones battle going on in Parliament. In keeping with nationalistic stereotypes, it is boring and naturally Quebec has a problem with it   (theglobeandmail.com) divider line 35
    More: Asinine, Game of Thrones, Quebec, Parliament, British Parliament, freedom of conscience, Charter of Rights, ecological successions, Quebec Superior Court  
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2013-06-07 12:17:39 PM  
Winter is coming. And there's no telling how long it will last. Because this is Canada we're talking about.

By the way, has the Bad Astronomer explained how the seasons work in the world of Game of Thrones yet?
 
2013-06-07 12:18:15 PM  
FTA:abolition of the monarchy

National initiative or band name?
 
2013-06-07 12:18:23 PM  
let me be the first to say Canada needs to distance themselves from that whole thing over there.
 
2013-06-07 12:18:26 PM  
I wouldn't exactly call it "asinine" because the Queen actually has power in Canada.
 
2013-06-07 12:18:56 PM  
So when do they start slicing the throats of all the liberals? I would specifically watch CPAC for that episode.
 
2013-06-07 12:22:20 PM  
Quebec pretty much has a problem with everything. I think it's how they define their identity.
 
2013-06-07 12:22:36 PM  
Wassa matta Quebec? Can't live without your Lex Salica?

(Most obscure historical taunt you will hear today.)
 
2013-06-07 12:22:55 PM  
i1.ytimg.com

It's like the Rains of Castamere on your wedding day...
 
2013-06-07 12:24:42 PM  

brantgoose: Winter is coming. And there's no telling how long it will last. Because this is Canada we're talking about.

By the way, has the Bad Astronomer explained how the seasons work in the world of Game of Thrones yet?


The only thing I can come up with is that the game of thrones world is a moon in an elliptical orbit around a planet with an elliptical orbit. Seasons could be caused by distance from the sun rather than tilt. I think a binary star could cause the irregular seasons as well but someone would have mentioned two suns.

Or just magic.
 
2013-06-07 12:24:53 PM  
Introducing John Candy as White Walker #4.
 
2013-06-07 12:29:04 PM  
When you play the game of thrones, you either win, or you politely excuse yourself, go home, and write thank-you letters to the other participants.
 
2013-06-07 12:32:41 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: brantgoose: Winter is coming. And there's no telling how long it will last. Because this is Canada we're talking about.

By the way, has the Bad Astronomer explained how the seasons work in the world of Game of Thrones yet?

The only thing I can come up with is that the game of thrones world is a moon in an elliptical orbit around a planet with an elliptical orbit. Seasons could be caused by distance from the sun rather than tilt. I think a binary star could cause the irregular seasons as well but someone would have mentioned two suns.

Or just magic.


GRRM has said it's linked to magic, nothing scientific.
 
2013-06-07 12:35:03 PM  

Cagey B: When you play the game of thrones, you either win, or you politely excuse yourself, go home, and write thank-you letters to the other participants.


i1151.photobucket.com
Twas a peachy-keen match! Thanks/Merci!
 
2013-06-07 12:45:24 PM  
I always thought of Quebec as it's own little country...or maybe a 3rd cousin twice removed.
 
2013-06-07 12:45:56 PM  
American translation:

Quebec hates the English Throne (rightfully).

There was a change in the rules of succession for the English Throne (Eldest regardless of gender gets the crown) and this requires all the colonies to give it a rubber stamp of approval.

Enter in these 2 Quebecois professors who claim that instead of just rubber stamping the rule change it's should have been treated like a constitutional amendment.

They are hoping to use this to finally overthrow the vicious hold that the English have on our poor Canadian brothers, shake off the shackles of colonization and finally be free!
 
2013-06-07 12:46:59 PM  

shortymac: To The Escape Zeppelin!: brantgoose: Winter is coming. And there's no telling how long it will last. Because this is Canada we're talking about.

By the way, has the Bad Astronomer explained how the seasons work in the world of Game of Thrones yet?

The only thing I can come up with is that the game of thrones world is a moon in an elliptical orbit around a planet with an elliptical orbit. Seasons could be caused by distance from the sun rather than tilt. I think a binary star could cause the irregular seasons as well but someone would have mentioned two suns.

Or just magic.

GRRM has said it's linked to magic, nothing scientific.


Magic is science.
 
2013-06-07 12:48:05 PM  
Simple rule that the succession law amendment was passed illegally like the claimants want, then rule that the original succession laws violated section 28 of the charter of rights and freedoms and so was invalid anyway, thus everyone wins and the whiners get a tall glass of STFU
 
2013-06-07 12:48:11 PM  
thisrecording.com

It's the good advice that you just didn't take.
 
2013-06-07 12:48:27 PM  
British Parliament decides the Order of Succession to the British Crown in keeping with the Succession Act, which prohibits a Roman Catholic from succeeding to the throne, but retains the ancient right and custom of males to take precedence in the succession over their sisters, cousins and aunts of the female persuasion.

This may, in principle, violate the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, part of the Constitution of Canada, but it is not a matter for Canadian law because it is established in British Law.--presumably it was Grandfathered even before the Constitution Act of 1982.

I would argue that the Order of Succession does  not require an amendment to the Canadian Constitution because it will always and has always been the prerogative of the British Parliament and Sovereign to decide who is their Monarch and indeed whether they have one. The Queen could presumably ask Parliament to abolish herself. The Canadian Constitution does not require an amendment to the Succession Act because it does not determine in any way, shape or form who the Sovereign is. There is no mention whatsoever of the Succession in the Constitution. The Succession is STILL determined by the British Crown and Parliament, as well as the Succession Act.

The sole purpose of the Government of Canada in legislating to match the British legislation would be to 1) remove doubt or ambiguity by rubber-stamping the British Constitutional amendment and thus making explicit the Rules of Succession for Canada, or 2) to make political trouble. Since this last is also the aim of the Quebec politicians in question, I say, with the Doge of Venice, a plague on both your houses. Who needs yah? (to quote the song by the famous Canadian band,  Steppenwolfe, also authors and performers of "Born to Wild", "Magic Carpet Ride", and "Pusher Man" PLUG.)

In other words, Canadians get to decide if they have a Sovereign (by passing legislation to confirm or infirm the fact) but they don't get to choose who or which particular personthe British Sovereign, and thus the Canadian Sovereign, is. That is done by the British Crown and Parliament acting in conjunction or at cross purposes, but acting within their constitutional rights, nonetheless.

GOD, THE KING AND THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT ARE THE ONLY AUTHORITIES WHO GET TO DECIDE WHO IS KING OF ENGLAND.

So, to Stephen Harper and to Quebec Nationalists alike, I wish to say, a cheery and patriotic, FARK OFF!

Keep your grimey hands off the Constitution or we'll send it back to rot in a drawer in White Hall for the next thousand years!

The Queen is Queen in Right of Canada and Newfoundland. She is this separately from being Queen of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. But whoever is Queen of England, etc., is also Queen of Canada, etc. It's a fact. You can not change the fact without first changing the fact that the Queen is Queen of Canada, Her and Her Successors, Long May They Reign! Huzzah! Hip, hip, hip, Eccles is the King of Cakes! Hooray! Hooray!

Since the act proposed by the Government presumably does not overturn the constitutional status of the Canadian sovereign, but only acknowledges the establishement of a new order of succession by the competent authorities, the issue of whether Canada has a Sovereign and who that Sovereign is has not been broached by the act in question. It is only the question of whether a woman can precede her younger brothers to the throne that is in question, and since this has already been decided by the proper authorities, there remains nothing to do but acknowledge it to be a fact or to address the matter by another act in addition to the Act of Succession, abolishing the sovereign or creating a new crown.

There's nothing to prevent the Canadian Parliament from doing this at any time, with full provincial approval, so there is no reason to drag it, abusively, into the current debate over this particular Act of Parliament.

First you have a Crown.
Then you give the Crown to somebody.
Then you establish the Succession.
And only then can you alter the Succession.

But all of that has already been done in the UK by the British. It's called British History. Look it up.

Let me say, once more, in conclusion:  FARK HARPER AND THE QUEBEC NATIONALISTS!
 
2013-06-07 12:49:58 PM  

shortymac: To The Escape Zeppelin!: brantgoose: Winter is coming. And there's no telling how long it will last. Because this is Canada we're talking about.

By the way, has the Bad Astronomer explained how the seasons work in the world of Game of Thrones yet?

The only thing I can come up with is that the game of thrones world is a moon in an elliptical orbit around a planet with an elliptical orbit. Seasons could be caused by distance from the sun rather than tilt. I think a binary star could cause the irregular seasons as well but someone would have mentioned two suns.

Or just magic.

GRRM has said it's linked to magic, nothing scientific.


Ah! The Discworld gambit! Well played!
 
2013-06-07 01:21:55 PM  
Meh, I'll pay some brief attention, but probably won't tune in on TV unless their royalty succession proceedings are as interesting as their royal weddings.

media.tumblr.com
 
2013-06-07 01:28:51 PM  
I knew Quebec or someone from Quebec would have done something like this.. Yo Frenchies bugger off. Your useless whining of things over the years is well.. Useless, suck it up butter cups and play nice with the rest of Canada for once.
 
2013-06-07 02:05:49 PM  
As much as it's silly for Canada to be beholden to the Queen the people trying to cut ties are kind of dumbasses will shoot themselves in the foot with this kind of crap. The people who would worry about this kind of thing are the young and educated looking for things to kvetch about. The fact of the matter is the ties Canada has to the old empire are extremely beneficial to young people in the sense that travel, education/work permits and numerous other perks of being under the Brit's umbrella make things a whole crapload easier for Canadians to move around the globe than Americans. The people making a stink about this are the exact same people who would benefit the most from being part of the commonwealth.

tl;dr

Shut up, dumbasses.
 
2013-06-07 02:09:03 PM  

brantgoose: Winter is coming. And there's no telling how long it will last. Because this is Canada we're talking about.

By the way, has the Bad Astronomer explained how the seasons work in the world of Game of Thrones yet?


Not Bad Astronomer, but they covered some possibilities:
http://io9.com/5906300/5-scientific-explanations-for-game-of-thrones -m essed+up-seasons
 
2013-06-07 02:20:24 PM  

oldfarthenry: [i1151.photobucket.com image 640x360]
Twas a peachy-keen match! Thanks/Merci!


I'd violate her sovereignty.
 
2013-06-07 02:21:05 PM  
So what's the consequence of declaring the law invalid and doing exactly nothing else?
 
2013-06-07 02:47:11 PM  
Tell Katelyn and Rob not to go to the Dinner
 
2013-06-07 03:02:55 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: brantgoose: Winter is coming. And there's no telling how long it will last. Because this is Canada we're talking about.

By the way, has the Bad Astronomer explained how the seasons work in the world of Game of Thrones yet?

The only thing I can come up with is that the game of thrones world is a moon in an elliptical orbit around a planet with an elliptical orbit. Seasons could be caused by distance from the sun rather than tilt. I think a binary star could cause the irregular seasons as well but someone would have mentioned two suns.

Or just magic.


Why wouldn't just a normal elliptical orbit work?  All orbits are elliptical (Venus has a nearly circular one, but a circle is a degenerate form of an ellipse).  Remember, the time spent in an orbit is proportional to the area swept by the planet (area between arc or orbit and sun), so the time in "Winter" would be appropriately long.  Earth's seasons are tied to the tilt of the axis, but you get a sufficiently elliptical orbit and you will be feeling the distance to the Sun.
 
2013-06-07 03:55:39 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: To The Escape Zeppelin!: brantgoose: Winter is coming. And there's no telling how long it will last. Because this is Canada we're talking about.

By the way, has the Bad Astronomer explained how the seasons work in the world of Game of Thrones yet?

The only thing I can come up with is that the game of thrones world is a moon in an elliptical orbit around a planet with an elliptical orbit. Seasons could be caused by distance from the sun rather than tilt. I think a binary star could cause the irregular seasons as well but someone would have mentioned two suns.

Or just magic.

Why wouldn't just a normal elliptical orbit work?  All orbits are elliptical (Venus has a nearly circular one, but a circle is a degenerate form of an ellipse).  Remember, the time spent in an orbit is proportional to the area swept by the planet (area between arc or orbit and sun), so the time in "Winter" would be appropriately long.  Earth's seasons are tied to the tilt of the axis, but you get a sufficiently elliptical orbit and you will be feeling the distance to the Sun.


Because the seasons are of variable length in GoT/SoIF. There are short winters, long winters, same for summers. So there would have to be an extra something-or-other.
 
2013-06-07 04:56:30 PM  
Will the victors put their enemies heads on posts outside of parliment?
 
2013-06-07 05:09:13 PM  
People keep telling Queeeeeeeeeeeerbec to separate and they won't leave without still getting everyone else's tax money and keep Canadian currency.

The rules of get the f*ck out are:
The Natives shall be given first dibs on the land and the ability to stay in Canada, with high powered weapons(some tanks too) via the adjoining reservation on the U.S./Canaduh border.

/If you thought the 'French language police' were bad, try to learn some of the Native languages.
 
2013-06-07 05:24:43 PM  

sheep snorter: People keep telling Queeeeeeeeeeeerbec to separate and they won't leave without still getting everyone else's tax money and keep Canadian currency.

The rules of get the f*ck out are:
The Natives shall be given first dibs on the land and the ability to stay in Canada, with high powered weapons(some tanks too) via the adjoining reservation on the U.S./Canaduh border.

/If you thought the 'French language police' were bad, try to learn some of the Native languages.


You might wanna tone it down a bit. I honestly can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic.
 
2013-06-07 06:31:15 PM  

groppet: Will the victors put their enemies heads on posts outside of parliment?


Let me know when the Queen rides into Montreal and starts demanding separatists' heads on pikes.

Because, you know, that would be worth paying to watch.
 
2013-06-07 07:24:14 PM  

Mouser: groppet: Will the victors put their enemies heads on posts outside of parliment?

Let me know when the Queen rides into Montreal and starts demanding separatists' heads on pikes.

Because, you know, that would be worth paying to watch.


Shiat i'm american and I'D watch that.
 
2013-06-08 11:12:48 AM  

costermonger: So what's the consequence of declaring the law invalid and doing exactly nothing else?


For the next 2 generations, nothing changes, as the next two heirs are both males. However if William and Kate have a daughter, under the old rule,s she's not the heir, Harry would be.

So in theory it's possible to have one country recognize a different heir than another. It's messy and confusing
 
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