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2013-06-07 08:12:56 AM  
what a bunch of whiney pussies.
Yawn.
If you have such a problem with this, then perhaps you should have pushed back against these powers 12 years ago when they were granted.
 
2013-06-07 08:40:02 AM  

Lurking Fear: what a bunch of whiney pussies.
Yawn.
If you have such a problem with this, then perhaps you should have pushed back against these powers 12 years ago when they were granted.


When you repeat your stupidity in every thread, you look stupid2
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-07 08:42:57 AM  

Lurking Fear: what a bunch of whiney pussies.
Yawn.
If you have such a problem with this, then perhaps you should have pushed back against these powers 12 years ago when they were granted.


Actually, the FISA court that authorized the phone data came from The FISA act of 1978, so more like 35 years ago.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-07 08:46:43 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: When you repeat your stupidity in every thread, you look stupid2


As stupid as someone who submits the same derp multiple times with different headlines?
 
2013-06-07 08:55:38 AM  
Wasn't CARNIVORE Clinton's thing originally ?

Once the government had the technical ability to actually do this it did it. Nothing else was or would keep them from doing it. No matter who is in charge when that tech becomes available.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-07 09:03:05 AM  
The traditional concept of privacy is obsolete anyway, and has been for about 15 years.  Recording devices are too cheap and common and hackable electronic communications are too common for it to be otherwise.

Good luck stuffing that Jeanie back into it's bottle.
 
2013-06-07 09:57:46 AM  
i22.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-07 10:00:27 AM  

vpb: The traditional concept of privacy is obsolete anyway, and has been for about 15 years.  Recording devices are too cheap and common and hackable electronic communications are too common for it to be otherwise.

Good luck stuffing that Jeanie back into it's bottle.


Actually, by using more primitive methods of communication, you can retain a large degree of privacy.   It's harder and more inconvenient, but you can do it.
 
2013-06-07 10:02:12 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: When you repeat your stupidity in every thread, you look stupid2


And some Farkers could teach a master class on "Repeating stupidity in every thread"
 
2013-06-07 10:02:20 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Lurking Fear: what a bunch of whiney pussies.
Yawn.
If you have such a problem with this, then perhaps you should have pushed back against these powers 12 years ago when they were granted.

When you repeat your stupidity in every thread, you look stupid2


And of all the FARKers around here, you of all people would know about looking stupid.
 
2013-06-07 10:04:12 AM  
Step 1: "Terrorism. Oooga boooga boooga."
Step 2: There is no step 2 requited. We as a society are scared morons.

Tada
 
2013-06-07 10:06:35 AM  
Oh no, when I post on Facebook under my real name, people might know it's me posting! Or something, I'm not sure.
 
2013-06-07 10:07:43 AM  

vpb: The traditional concept of privacy is obsolete anyway, and has been for about 15 years.  Recording devices are too cheap and common and hackable electronic communications are too common for it to be otherwise.

Good luck stuffing that Jeanie back into it's bottle.


True, but that in no way excuses the government from intentionally tracking all Americans without a reasonable suspicion. What this shows is that the government considers us all suspicious. The stasi are jealous of our ability to automate it's tactics.
 
2013-06-07 10:07:49 AM  
60 MInutes ran a piece on Echelon over a decade ago.

There is no reason for people to not know that this has been happening under at least 3 Presidents.
 
2013-06-07 10:10:01 AM  
The government is not spying on you. They are collecting meta data and warehousing it.

They aren't listening in on your phone calls, they aren't reading your emails, they aren't searching your browser history.

Well, if you are a recent Chechen immigrant, maybe they are, but you get my point.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-07 10:10:28 AM  
dittybopper:

Actually, by using more primitive methods of communication, you can retain a large degree of privacy.   It's harder and more inconvenient, but you can do it.

Sure, but no one is going to do it, because they want their facebook and smartphones.  Except maybe actual terrorists.
 
2013-06-07 10:12:11 AM  
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

Intrusive, oppressive government at its finest.
 
2013-06-07 10:12:47 AM  
CALEA.  Enacted 19 years ago.
 
2013-06-07 10:12:59 AM  
Shouldn't that be from Washington to Obama?
 
2013-06-07 10:13:38 AM  
t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-07 10:16:06 AM  

Lurking Fear: what a bunch of whiney pussies.
Yawn.
If you have such a problem with this, then perhaps you should have pushed back against these powers 12 years ago when they were granted.


Done in one.

Where was the outrage when we told you the "Patriot Act" was a horrible idea in the first place?

What did you think was going to happen?

NOW you think this is a bad idea?

Good luck getting the toothpaste back in the tube.
 
2013-06-07 10:17:36 AM  
nation.foxnews.com
How dare they look at my Weiner junk, I didn't send it to them, just her, and her too, but not them
 
2013-06-07 10:20:04 AM  

Heraclitus: Lurking Fear: what a bunch of whiney pussies.
Yawn.
If you have such a problem with this, then perhaps you should have pushed back against these powers 12 years ago when they were granted.

Done in one.

Where was the outrage when we told you the "Patriot Act" was a horrible idea in the first place?

What did you think was going to happen?

NOW you think this is a bad idea?

Good luck getting the toothpaste back in the tube.


We should be outraged over and over until we get off our lazy asses and do something about it. Do you have a problem with that?
 
2013-06-07 10:21:33 AM  
The U.S. Government has been spying on it's citizens since long before Bush.  Look up COINTELPRO.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-07 10:22:38 AM  

lockers: True, but that in no way excuses the government from intentionally tracking all Americans without a reasonable suspicion. What this shows is that the government considers us all suspicious. The stasi are jealous of our ability to automate it's tactics.


Times change.  The FISA act of 1978 was a response to government wiretapping so this has been going on for more than 35 years.  Why didn't you have a problem with it before?

The Stasi wiretapped people without warrants.  This is perfectly legal collection of meta-data authorized by a court order.  Almost a Godwin there.
 
2013-06-07 10:23:30 AM  

Lurking Fear: what a bunch of whiney pussies.
Yawn.
If you have such a problem with this, then perhaps you should have pushed back against these powers 12 years ago when they were granted.


Top men have told me that this all started on 1/20/2009, the day when everything changed. TOP MEN!

At least this guy got court orders, which is actually an improvement.
 
2013-06-07 10:24:28 AM  

Heraclitus: Lurking Fear: what a bunch of whiney pussies.
Yawn.
If you have such a problem with this, then perhaps you should have pushed back against these powers 12 years ago when they were granted.

Done in one.

Where was the outrage when we told you the "Patriot Act" was a horrible idea in the first place?

What did you think was going to happen?

NOW you think this is a bad idea?

Good luck getting the toothpaste back in the tube.


Yeah, looking back, maybe that wasn't the best idea.  Still though, I have not seen nor heard of the government "disappearing" anyone.  So on one hand, yeah we probably shouldn't have done that and it might be a good idea to restrict that ability again.  But on the other, it hasn't exactly proved to be as slippery a slope as perhaps we feared.  After all, the government did need to get a warrant.
 
2013-06-07 10:24:39 AM  
www.motherjones.com encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-07 10:24:41 AM  
It may be both obtrusive and consistently less effective but we can't know that striping and storing every single piece of data wont help catch a terrorist, so we have an obligation to try.
 
2013-06-07 10:25:16 AM  

vpb: Good luck stuffing that Jeanie genie back into it's bottle.


My wife's name is Jeanie. I've tried stuffing her into a bottle like, five times or something, but it usually just pisses her off.
 
2013-06-07 10:27:12 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: jehovahs witness protection: Lurking Fear: what a bunch of whiney pussies.
Yawn.
If you have such a problem with this, then perhaps you should have pushed back against these powers 12 years ago when they were granted.

When you repeat your stupidity in every thread, you look stupid2

And of all the FARKers around here, you of all people would know about looking stupid.


lol nice.

And what was so bad about me response to the troll that an admin felt so high and mighty to edit my comment? Ah yes, it was because I called him a troll. aw
 
2013-06-07 10:27:28 AM  

BitwiseShift: www.motherjones.com encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com


Hm, good point, large three-dimensional structures do exist.
 
2013-06-07 10:28:31 AM  
Step 1: Scare the pants-wetting conservative pansies into believing the Patriot Act is necessary.
 
2013-06-07 10:29:14 AM  
Even if I assume the government is thoroughly evil, I can't believe that they're able to actually do anything useful with such a large dataset unless they have a specific person or group of people in mind. Individual trees hide pretty easily in the forest.
 
2013-06-07 10:29:39 AM  

Lurking Fear: what a bunch of whiney pussies.
Yawn.
If you have such a problem with this, then perhaps you should have pushed back against these powers 12 years ago when they were granted.


Did you complain when the powers were granted?  I'll guess "yes". (if you didn't complain, I apologize for that assumption)

Are you complaining now?  From your "yawn", it sure sounds like you're fine with the situation.

If you complained before and are yawning now, you're a partisan ass.

Additionally, if you yawned before and you are complaining now, you're a partisan ass as well.

You really can't be pissed at something when one party does it and be fine with that same thing when the other party does it without being a partisan ass.
 
2013-06-07 10:29:43 AM  

Tomahawk513: Heraclitus: Lurking Fear: what a bunch of whiney pussies.
Yawn.
If you have such a problem with this, then perhaps you should have pushed back against these powers 12 years ago when they were granted.

Done in one.

Where was the outrage when we told you the "Patriot Act" was a horrible idea in the first place?

What did you think was going to happen?

NOW you think this is a bad idea?

Good luck getting the toothpaste back in the tube.

Yeah, looking back, maybe that wasn't the best idea.   Still though, I have not seen nor heard of the government "disappearing" anyone.  So on one hand, yeah we probably shouldn't have done that and it might be a good idea to restrict that ability again.  But on the other, it hasn't exactly proved to be as slippery a slope as perhaps we feared.  After all, the government did need to get a warrant.


So naive.  What do you think really happened to Neil Armstrong, Frank Lautenberg, and Jean Stapleton? THEY KNEW TOO MUCH!
 
2013-06-07 10:32:20 AM  

GanjSmokr: Did you complain when the powers were granted? I'll guess "yes". (if you didn't complain, I apologize for that assumption)

Are you complaining now? From your "yawn", it sure sounds like you're fine with the situation.

If you complained before and are yawning now, you're a partisan ass.

Additionally, if you yawned before and you are complaining now, you're a partisan ass as well.

You really can't be pissed at something when one party does it and be fine with that same thing when the other party does it without being a partisan ass.


That's a rational argument. Another rational argument is that after the better part of a decade opposing the exercise of authority like this, being shouted down publicly, being told repeatedly that such opposition is anti-American and traitorous, and ultimately losing the national debate when the federal government exerted those powers with approval from all of its three branches, some people are just resigned to the fact that it is now the status quo and don't see the point in fighting it anymore.
 
2013-06-07 10:34:44 AM  

limeyfellow: Shouldn't that be from Washington to Obama?


Well, at least the first President we can associate with a modern party.  Not worth stating a fact if you can't use against the other team.
 
2013-06-07 10:36:53 AM  

GanjSmokr: Lurking Fear: what a bunch of whiney pussies.
Yawn.
If you have such a problem with this, then perhaps you should have pushed back against these powers 12 years ago when they were granted.

Did you complain when the powers were granted?  I'll guess "yes". (if you didn't complain, I apologize for that assumption)

Are you complaining now?  From your "yawn", it sure sounds like you're fine with the situation.

If you complained before and are yawning now, you're a partisan ass.

Additionally, if you yawned before and you are complaining now, you're a partisan ass as well.

You really can't be pissed at something when one party does it and be fine with that same thing when the other party does it without being a partisan ass.


Actually I am fine with the situation. I wasn't happy about the former administration didn't think it had to bother with getting a warrant to do it. it's an improvement that this one does. I yawned because the knee-jerk response by the conservatives here to spam the que with umpteen links to the same story. OMG, a (not really) liberal newspaper editorial board wrote an opinion piece criticizing a democratic (distinctly not liberal) President! They'll impeach him any day now! woo hoo!"

Wake me up when you actually find a scandal. This isn't it, neither is the IRS thing, and especially not benghazi.
 
2013-06-07 10:37:21 AM  

GanjSmokr: Lurking Fear: what a bunch of whiney pussies.
Yawn.
If you have such a problem with this, then perhaps you should have pushed back against these powers 12 years ago when they were granted.

Did you complain when the powers were granted?  I'll guess "yes". (if you didn't complain, I apologize for that assumption)

Are you complaining now?  From your "yawn", it sure sounds like you're fine with the situation.

If you complained before and are yawning now, you're a partisan ass.

Additionally, if you yawned before and you are complaining now, you're a partisan ass as well.

You really can't be pissed at something when one party does it and be fine with that same thing when the other party does it without being a partisan ass.


But I can point out that this is EXACTLY WHAT I TOLD YOU WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, and that great many people who are now up in arms accused me of being a traitor when I pointed it out.
 
2013-06-07 10:37:24 AM  

kronicfeld: GanjSmokr: Did you complain when the powers were granted? I'll guess "yes". (if you didn't complain, I apologize for that assumption)

Are you complaining now? From your "yawn", it sure sounds like you're fine with the situation.

If you complained before and are yawning now, you're a partisan ass.

Additionally, if you yawned before and you are complaining now, you're a partisan ass as well.

You really can't be pissed at something when one party does it and be fine with that same thing when the other party does it without being a partisan ass.

That's a rational argument. Another rational argument is that after the better part of a decade opposing the exercise of authority like this, being shouted down publicly, being told repeatedly that such opposition is anti-American and traitorous, and ultimately losing the national debate when the federal government exerted those powers with approval from all of its three branches, some people are just resigned to the fact that it is now the status quo and don't see the point in fighting it anymore.


Yup.  When you're government is in the business of making hammers, one cannot be upset when they want to knock in some nails.
If we are a military high tech power, then those very advantages that we have developed for war will now be used in peace time.

I hear Canada is not in the business of war on others or its own citizens.
 
2013-06-07 10:40:01 AM  

kronicfeld: GanjSmokr: Did you complain when the powers were granted? I'll guess "yes". (if you didn't complain, I apologize for that assumption)

Are you complaining now? From your "yawn", it sure sounds like you're fine with the situation.

If you complained before and are yawning now, you're a partisan ass.

Additionally, if you yawned before and you are complaining now, you're a partisan ass as well.

You really can't be pissed at something when one party does it and be fine with that same thing when the other party does it without being a partisan ass.

That's a rational argument. Another rational argument is that after the better part of a decade opposing the exercise of authority like this, being shouted down publicly, being told repeatedly that such opposition is anti-American and traitorous, and ultimately losing the national debate when the federal government exerted those powers with approval from all of its three branches, some people are just resigned to the fact that it is now the status quo and don't see the point in fighting it anymore.


So when were you shouted down and called anti-American and traitorous?  And why are you okay with people you are paying to represent you just "resigning" themselves to shiat?
 
2013-06-07 10:40:20 AM  

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It's Late.



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2013-06-07 10:40:42 AM  

kronicfeld: That's a rational argument. Another rational argument is that after the better part of a decade opposing the exercise of authority like this, being shouted down publicly, being told repeatedly that such opposition is anti-American and traitorous, and ultimately losing the national debate when the federal government exerted those powers with approval from all of its three branches, some people are just resigned to the fact that it is now the status quo and don't see the point in fighting it anymore.


I really wish this wasn't true, but I accept that it is.
 
2013-06-07 10:41:03 AM  

kronicfeld: BitwiseShift:


www.motherjones.comencrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com


Hm, good point, large three-dimensional structures do exist.


What's really cool is the NSA HQ and the Kaaba in Mecca are connected by a tunnel which allow both to save a lot on air conditioning given the day and night electric rates.
 
2013-06-07 10:41:04 AM  

greenbowlpacker: [i22.photobucket.com image 457x495]


Thanks, that really helps the conversation.  I'm usually the last guy to call racism, but that's some pretty damn repugnant.
 
2013-06-07 10:44:00 AM  

Lurking Fear:

And what was so bad about me response to the troll that an admin felt so high and mighty to edit my comment? Ah yes, it was because I called him a troll. aw


Trolls Paid shills are a protected species.
It's why I will never pay for Total Fark (just got gifted again).
But they're not trolls, they just have a "difference of opinion".
 
2013-06-07 10:44:58 AM  

Lurking Fear: GanjSmokr: Lurking Fear: what a bunch of whiney pussies.
Yawn.
If you have such a problem with this, then perhaps you should have pushed back against these powers 12 years ago when they were granted.

Did you complain when the powers were granted?  I'll guess "yes". (if you didn't complain, I apologize for that assumption)

Are you complaining now?  From your "yawn", it sure sounds like you're fine with the situation.

If you complained before and are yawning now, you're a partisan ass.

Additionally, if you yawned before and you are complaining now, you're a partisan ass as well.

You really can't be pissed at something when one party does it and be fine with that same thing when the other party does it without being a partisan ass.

Actually I am fine with the situation. I wasn't happy about the former administration didn't think it had to bother with getting a warrant to do it. it's an improvement that this one does. I yawned because the knee-jerk response by the conservatives here to spam the que with umpteen links to the same story. OMG, a (not really) liberal newspaper editorial board wrote an opinion piece criticizing a democratic (distinctly not liberal) President! They'll impeach him any day now! woo hoo!"

Wake me up when you actually find a scandal. This isn't it, neither is the IRS thing, and especially not benghazi.


After reading your post, I doubt there will be anything this administration does that you would consider bad enough to warrant getting angry at your "side".  Your sleep will not be disturbed.
 
2013-06-07 10:46:49 AM  
I like how we HAVE to have all this information to STOP terrorists.

But when a guy is pointed out by RUSSIA as being a bad dude, travels to a terrorist hot bed for 6 months then comes back we're all "Hey he seems ok to us!"

fark you can't even get the OBVIOUS shiat right, how about we start there?!?!?!?!?
 
2013-06-07 10:48:18 AM  
Yeah, looking back, maybe that wasn't the best idea.   Still though, I have not seen nor heard of the government "disappearing" anyone.  So on one hand, yeah we probably shouldn't have done that and it might be a good idea to restrict that ability again.  But on the other, it hasn't exactly proved to be as slippery a slope as perhaps we feared.  After all, the government did need to get a warrant.

So naive.  What do you think really happened to Neil Armstrong, Frank Lautenberg, and Jean Stapleton? THEY KNEW TOO MUCH!


Yeah, and now they've disappeared Esther Williams, too!  What the fark did she know?

/probably something to do with those old ties to Mobsters in Florida
 
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