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2013-06-07 09:59:20 AM  
 
2013-06-07 09:59:49 AM  
Sure it is.  You have a few loons on the left, and a few million loons on the right. Bipartisan!
 
2013-06-07 10:00:16 AM  

gopher321: [mojoimage.com image 320x240]
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We're ALL just pawns in game of life.
 
2013-06-07 10:06:22 AM  

coeyagi: Sure it is.  You have a few loons on the left, and a few million loons on the right. Bipartisan!


if (hasLoon(rightWing_ == hasLoon(leftWing) {
   Declare.bipartisan("Not a problem");
}
 
2013-06-07 10:09:22 AM  

coeyagi: Sure it is.  You have a few loons on the left, and a few million loons on the right. Bipartisan!


No, anecdotally, I'd say there are about equal numbers.  What's different is what's always different between the left and right in American politics: diversity.  Conspiratorial republicans enjoy a shared mass delusion.  Whereas there's never been another liberal who's shared my exact conspiracy theories.
 
2013-06-07 10:12:34 AM  
There are a number of potential problems with GMOs. Reliance on a single genetic strain leaves our food supply vulnerable, as does relying on patented, sterile seed stock.

There are surely a fair number of anti vax cranks on the left, but they don't have the reach and control that the climate change deniers have. One is a group of people you can figuratively and should literally quarantine. The other is half of the house of representatives.
 
2013-06-07 10:14:38 AM  

coeyagi: Sure it is.  You have a few loons on the left, and a few million loons on the right. Bipartisan!


Its a conspiracy!!!!
 
2013-06-07 10:24:48 AM  
the JFK conspiracy fine, it's nuts but harmless. "climate change is a hoax" is stupid and harmful. it's as bad as letting D listed actresses tell why you shouldn't vaccinate your kids.
 
2013-06-07 10:26:02 AM  
The right has a near lock the climate change conspiracy, but, the left has GMO's, Chem-trailers and Anti-vaxxers, and a huge number of them have also joined the ranks of the nutbags from the 50's who claim that the big fluoride illuminati are mind controlling us all, and the false flaggers are also finding a few wingnuts on both sides. Its getting ugly and stupid out there i tells ya.

/Monsanto-boogedy-boogedy!
 
2013-06-07 10:36:18 AM  
BSACSTF
 
2013-06-07 10:37:25 AM  
agoratelegraph.com
 
2013-06-07 10:42:17 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: There are a number of potential problems with GMOs


Indeed; I have no problem with GMOs in theory, but Monsanto seems to have learned business ethics at the same school as the bad guys from Captain Planet, so I'm at least a little bit cautious about them. Does that make me a science-denying conspiracy theorist on par with the sort of nutbars who rant about how Global Warming is a communist scam?

The article seems intent on making a "both sides are bad" argument to avoid controversy, but it just doesn't hold water. They accuse climate scientists of being "tribalist", but fail to mention that the reason they tend to be so sensitive to criticism is that millions of tin-foil-hat-brigaders constantly spam them with abuse, death threats, hacking and spying attempts, etc, and politicians on the freakin' national stage will occasionally scapegoat them by name. Who wouldn't be defensive if they had actual congressmen and women calling them criminal conspirators in front of the press?
 
2013-06-07 10:43:57 AM  
From what I've seen, it's extremely hard to have more than 90% of the people on one side of an issue.

10% of the population are going to ignore all fact and reason or are just plain contrary.

That makes that 11% of Democrats seem like a reasonable proportion of unbelievers..
 
2013-06-07 10:45:47 AM  

I_C_Weener: coeyagi: Sure it is.  You have a few loons on the left, and a few million loons on the right. Bipartisan!

Its a conspiracy!!!!


STUDY IT OUT!
 
2013-06-07 10:52:08 AM  

jopy666: The right has a near lock the climate change conspiracy, but, the left has GMO's, Chem-trailers and Anti-vaxxers, and a huge number of them have also joined the ranks of the nutbags from the 50's who claim that the big fluoride illuminati are mind controlling us all, and the false flaggers are also finding a few wingnuts on both sides. Its getting ugly and stupid out there i tells ya.

/Monsanto-boogedy-boogedy!


To be fair, the anti-GMO-vax-fluoride movements are gaining ground among religious conservatives. At least in South Carolina they are.
 
2013-06-07 10:52:12 AM  

Krieghund: From what I've seen, it's extremely hard to have more than 90% of the people on one side of an issue.

10% of the population are going to ignore all fact and reason or are just plain contrary.

That makes that 11% of Democrats seem like a reasonable proportion of unbelievers..


I don't know, you start by inventing an ad-hoc rule with an arbitrary numerical basis, and it just so happens that that rule makes your(and my) side look way more reasonable.  I'm not sure that's a good approach.   Too easy to self-bias.
 
2013-06-07 10:52:31 AM  

Krieghund: From what I've seen, it's extremely hard to have more than 90% of the people on one side of an issue.

10% of the population are going to ignore all fact and reason or are just plain contrary.

That makes that 11% of Democrats seem like a reasonable proportion of unbelievers..


20% of the population are completely ignorant and detached from reality.  Their answers to polling questions are essentially random.

If you ask, "Is the moon made of cheese?"

10% will say yes.  That isn't because 10% are idiots.  It is because 20% are idiots and 50% of them had a lucky guess.
 
2013-06-07 10:53:57 AM  

jopy666: The right has a near lock the climate change conspiracy, but, the left has GMO's, Chem-trailers and Anti-vaxxers


I see a lot of right-wingers fearmongering about those as well, though the left is probably at least at parity with them on that. About the only conspiracy theory that definitely has more left-wingers invested in it is trooferism.
 
2013-06-07 10:58:06 AM  

mrshowrules: Krieghund: From what I've seen, it's extremely hard to have more than 90% of the people on one side of an issue.

10% of the population are going to ignore all fact and reason or are just plain contrary.

That makes that 11% of Democrats seem like a reasonable proportion of unbelievers..

20% of the population are completely ignorant and detached from reality.  Their answers to polling questions are essentially random.

If you ask, "Is the moon made of cheese?"

10% will say yes.  That isn't because 10% are idiots.  It is because 20% are idiots and 50% of them had a lucky guess.


Except that observational evidence on multi-question polls suggests that 97% is a much closer assessment to how people will accurately answer obvious questions.  Keep in mind that 5% of people could be considered to be suffering from various grades of what is classified quite literally as mental retardation.
 
2013-06-07 11:03:46 AM  

ikanreed: mrshowrules: Krieghund: From what I've seen, it's extremely hard to have more than 90% of the people on one side of an issue.

10% of the population are going to ignore all fact and reason or are just plain contrary.

That makes that 11% of Democrats seem like a reasonable proportion of unbelievers..

20% of the population are completely ignorant and detached from reality.  Their answers to polling questions are essentially random.

If you ask, "Is the moon made of cheese?"

10% will say yes.  That isn't because 10% are idiots.  It is because 20% are idiots and 50% of them had a lucky guess.

Except that observational evidence on multi-question polls suggests that 97% is a much closer assessment to how people will accurately answer obvious questions.  Keep in mind that 5% of people could be considered to be suffering from various grades of what is classified quite literally as mental retardation.


I guess that depends on what you consider to be an "obvious" question.

Was Saddam Hussein responsible for 9/11?
Was Obama born in Kenya?

versus:

Is water wet?
How many sides does a square have?
 
2013-06-07 11:07:26 AM  

ikanreed: Except that observational evidence on multi-question polls suggests that 97% is a much closer assessment to how people will accurately answer obvious questions.  Keep in mind that 5% of people could be considered to be suffering from various grades of what is classified quite literally as mental retardation.


Plus of course, some people will mishear the question, some people aren't paying attention and just say whatever to get the poll taker to finish, some people will give an answer they know to be wrong because they're assholes, etc.
 
2013-06-07 11:09:36 AM  
I have no problem with GMOs, but I do have a problem with Monsanto. My concern is more about the way they are putting smaller farmers out of business because their patented GMO plants are cross-breeding with plants in fields of smaller farmers. Monsanto has been known to sue the hell out of these farmers and put them out of business. So, again, no problem with GMOs, but I have a huge problem with Monsanto and their patented bits of biology.
 
2013-06-07 11:13:10 AM  
So vote Republican?
 
2013-06-07 11:16:10 AM  
Alex Jones has dabbled in left wing and right wing conspiracy theories = bipartisan!
 
2013-06-07 11:19:29 AM  
Left:                            Right:
-------                          -------
Trutherism                 Birtherism
Anti-vaxx                    Climate Change
GMOs                        Trutherism
                                  Evolution
                                  Anti-vaxx
                                  The media in general
                                  Fluoridation
                                  Atheism
                                  Lots of other derp....
 
2013-06-07 11:20:45 AM  

coeyagi: Left:                            Right:
-------                          -------
Trutherism                 Birtherism
Anti-vaxx                    Climate Change
GMOs                        Trutherism
                                  Evolution
                                  Anti-vaxx
                                  The media in general
                                  Fluoridation
                                  Atheism
                                  Lots of other derp....


Also should be noted that the left tends to not elect conspiracy theorists to office, whereas on the right it's practically a prerequisite.
 
2013-06-07 11:26:21 AM  
I think the JFK was a paid hit.  Is that a conspiracy or not?
 
2013-06-07 12:09:33 PM  

ikanreed: No, anecdotally, I'd say there are about equal numbers.

jopy666: The right has a near lock the climate change conspiracy, but, the left has GMO's, Chem-trailers and Anti-vaxxers, and a huge number of them have also joined the ranks of the nutbags from the 50's who claim that the big fluoride illuminati are mind controlling us all, and the false flaggers are also finding a few wingnuts on both sides. Its getting ugly and stupid out there i tells ya.


Anti-fluoridators tend about equally common on both sides (lower among moderates, higher among strongly polarized). Anti-vaxx is actually a bit more common among the GOP, from the poll data. I've only anecdata on the Chem-trailers, but they seem more among the conservative and libertarian loons than liberal hippies.
 
2013-06-07 12:21:33 PM  
what strikes me as really sad is that like the anti-vacc folks so much of this can and has been debunked. by real scientists. chemtrails for instance. how farked up do you have to be to go for that one?

and we wonder why so little gets done by our government pandering to these groups.
 
2013-06-07 12:23:00 PM  
"Heh. Mongering."?? Why the snicker, is that supposed to sound kinky? Well listen, bubmitter, it just sounds ignorant. "Monger" just means to sell or hawk.
A conspiracymonger sells conspiracies.
A fishmonger sells fish.
A cheesemonger sells cheese.
A costermonger sells fruit and veggies.
A whoremonger sells whores. I guess that can be a little kinky. But to all you pay-for-play suckers out there that think you're "mongers" when you pay a woman $150 to grease your knob, you ain't! That title of "respect" is reserved for the boss on the other end of the transaction. A whoremonger is a pimp. You're not pimps. You're customers, punters, johns...

/"I don't buy dreams, I sell em." - Gorgeous Dre in American Pimp
 
2013-06-07 12:29:52 PM  
larrycuban.files.wordpress.com
It's all connected.

And all the pieces fit.
 
2013-06-07 12:30:34 PM  

coeyagi: Left:                            Right:
-------                          -------
Trutherism                 Birtherism
Anti-vaxx                    Climate Change
GMOs                        Trutherism
                                  Evolution
                                  Anti-vaxx
                                  The media in general
                                  Fluoridation
                                  Atheism
                                  Lots of other derp....


No, as an Atheist I can safely say we are THE conspiracy. We're actually the guys that the Illuminati looks to when they need orders, and the Templars and Dragons too.
 
2013-06-07 01:39:22 PM  

mrshowrules: I think the JFK was a paid hit.  Is that a conspiracy or not?


Yes.
 
2013-06-07 01:43:05 PM  
coeyagi:
Left:                            Right:
-------                          -------
Trutherism                 Birtherism
Anti-vaxx                    Climate Change
GMOs                        Trutherism
MIC                              Evolution
                                  Anti-vaxx
                                  The media in general
                                  Fluoridation
                                  Atheism
                                  Lots of other derp....
 
2013-06-07 02:54:41 PM  
I dont think MIC (military industrial complex) quite counts as a theory, there is evidence of that one, which means its no longer just a theory.
Also, the fluoride conspiracy is now a lot more prevalent on the left than the right in my anecdotal experience.
 
2013-06-07 03:27:04 PM  

vygramul: coeyagi:
Left:                            Right:
-------                          -------
Trutherism                 Birtherism
Anti-vaxx                    Climate Change
GMOs                        Trutherism
MIC                              Evolution
                                  Anti-vaxx
                                  The media in general
                                  Fluoridation
                                  Atheism
                                  Lots of other derp....


See you real soon!

K-E-Y. . .

Why?  Because we like you!
 
2013-06-07 03:47:42 PM  

jopy666: Also, the fluoride conspiracy is now a lot more prevalent on the left than the right in my anecdotal experience.


Not really. It's got a huge following among the libertarian crowd, which I would consider more right than left.

jopy666: I dont think MIC (military industrial complex) quite counts as a theory, there is evidence of that one, which means its no longer just a theory.


It depends on how you view it. If you think that nefarious extra-governmental agents are responsible for starting wars to inflate the profit margins of the military industry, yes, it counts as a conspiracy.

However, as Dubya proved to the world, never chock up to malice what you can account for with stupidity and gullibility.
 
2013-06-07 03:49:11 PM  

jopy666: I dont think MIC (military industrial complex) quite counts as a theory, there is evidence of that one, which means its no longer just a theory.


Yeah, when a POTUS uses his farewell address to warn us about something I think it stops being a conspiracy theory.
 
2013-06-07 04:10:07 PM  
This just confirms my theory that politics has become a religion in America.

The DERP coming from the neo-con sect totally qualifies as it's own religion IMHO, that barely has anything to do with Christianity and is more of a militaristic Calvinist off-shoot with some racism mixed in.

The democratic and liberal sects have actually softened their approach since the 60's and 70's, but the derp can still be found in their fringes.
 
2013-06-07 04:28:00 PM  

jopy666: I dont think MIC (military industrial complex) quite counts as a theory, there is evidence of that one, which means its no longer just a theory.


You keep using that word, "theory".  I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
2013-06-07 04:29:20 PM  

verbal_jizm: jopy666: The right has a near lock the climate change conspiracy, but, the left has GMO's, Chem-trailers and Anti-vaxxers, and a huge number of them have also joined the ranks of the nutbags from the 50's who claim that the big fluoride illuminati are mind controlling us all, and the false flaggers are also finding a few wingnuts on both sides. Its getting ugly and stupid out there i tells ya.

/Monsanto-boogedy-boogedy!

To be fair, the anti-GMO-vax-fluoride movements are gaining ground among religious conservatives. At least in South Carolina they are.


Actually, in the book THEM, thanks to the internet the conspiracy theories and extremists of all shades (KKK, black panthers, etc) are merging and sharing information.

Hence, the neo-con hippie movement of anti-vaxx, anti-flouride, evangelical home schoolers.
 
2013-06-07 04:51:34 PM  

Gunther: jopy666: I dont think MIC (military industrial complex) quite counts as a theory, there is evidence of that one, which means its no longer just a theory.

Yeah, when a POTUS uses his farewell address to warn us about something I think it stops being a conspiracy theory.


No, it's a conspiracy theory to think it has come true when nothing has changed.
 
2013-06-07 05:41:11 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: You keep using that word, "theory".  I do not think it means what you think it means.

I dont "think that nefarious extra-governmental agents are responsible for starting wars to inflate the profit margins of the military industry" That would just be theory. But, there are plenty of things that do qualify as evidence of the MIC.

Its a theory when there is no concrete evidence, i.e. it might be true, it might not be true, or it has been proven untrue but i refuse to accept it because I am adding an unknown and unprovable variant to the equation.
The MIC has all sorts of actual evidence, not just ex-presidents warning us (that would be merely anecdotal), but, reams of documentation showing examples such as billions of dollars spent on unwanted bomber airplanes, no-bid contracts to send ex-soldiers to provide "security", etc.

That is evidence, not theory.

Theory is "hey, i think there was a guy on the grassy knoll" but, its just as possible that there wasn't, because you don't have evidence, all you are left with is a "theory".

I think maybe you don't know what it means, perhaps you should check a dictionary. Here, i'll do the work for you:

theory : noun, plural the·o·ries.
"a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact."

Also see:
"Military Industrial Complex:  noun
The aggregate of a nation's armed forces and the industries that supply their equipment, materials, and armaments. Example: the U.S. military establishment and those industries producing military materiel, viewed as together exerting a powerful influence on foreign and economic policy.
An example of the military-industrial complex is when a company is under contract to the U.S. government to provide ex soldiers as security guards in a war-torn country."

/Also, the fluoride thing has gained immense traction with the organic anti-gmo and anti-vax crowd on the left because "zomg teh chemicals are not natural and therefor are evil." See the recent portland, oregon vote on fluoridated water, it was nearly 100% hippy organic crowds coming out against it. It also seems that the crazed right wingers who thought it was a communist mind control plot are slowly dieing off, seeing as that part of their movement hit its stride back during the red scare of the 1950's and has lost traction ever since.
 
2013-06-07 06:06:48 PM  

shortymac: verbal_jizm: jopy666: The right has a near lock the climate change conspiracy, but, the left has GMO's, Chem-trailers and Anti-vaxxers, and a huge number of them have also joined the ranks of the nutbags from the 50's who claim that the big fluoride illuminati are mind controlling us all, and the false flaggers are also finding a few wingnuts on both sides. Its getting ugly and stupid out there i tells ya.

/Monsanto-boogedy-boogedy!

To be fair, the anti-GMO-vax-fluoride movements are gaining ground among religious conservatives. At least in South Carolina they are.

Actually, in the book THEM, thanks to the internet the conspiracy theories and extremists of all shades (KKK, black panthers, etc) are merging and sharing information.

Hence, the neo-con hippie movement of anti-vaxx, anti-flouride, evangelical home schoolers.


The movie was better.

www.thatfilmguy.net
/And I for one welcome our new insect overlords.
//I'd like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.
 
2013-06-08 09:47:19 PM  

Curious: the JFK conspiracy fine, it's nuts but harmless. "climate change is a hoax" is stupid and harmful. it's as bad as letting D listed actresses tell why you shouldn't vaccinate your kids.


E. Howard Hunt laughs at you from beyond the grave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bknUDgKdEJQ
 
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