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2013-06-07 10:43:15 AM
Remind me again how shooting yourself in the foot has been working out for the Republican majority in the House?

Christ. They found these people in a damn kindergarden. I just know it by the way they act.
 
2013-06-07 10:46:27 AM
The Republican party of the 2010s will go down in history as (insert Godwin here) of the 21st century.

//not wrong
 
2013-06-07 10:48:00 AM
Trying to score political points by getting nothing accomplished. Sounds familiar.
 
2013-06-07 10:50:31 AM

coeyagi: The Republican party of the 2010s will go down in history as (insert Godwin here) of the 21st century.

//not wrong


They should serve as an example of why it is important to stay educated and active in non-presidental election years.

In short, 'Don't let this happen again!'
 
2013-06-07 10:53:55 AM
What they want, not what to need, subby.

Without RTFA yet, I'm going for "something to whine about".
 
2013-06-07 10:55:58 AM
About damn time the Senate Dems finally picked a fight.  AFAIC it should turn into a bloody brawl the Republicans will bail on and acquiesce...or get their asses handed to them by the youth vote in 2014.
 
2013-06-07 10:57:04 AM

hardinparamedic: Remind me again how shooting yourself in the foot has been working out for the Republican majority in the House?

Christ. They found these people in a damn kindergarden. I just know it by the way they act.


True.  You also have to stop and wonder what that says about the people who VOTE for them?
 
2013-06-07 10:57:09 AM
I like how Obama's proposal's don't even matter to the Democrats any more - they ignore him and go a totally different directions, and it's in fact the Republicans who take up his side.  With his scandal-plagued second term evaporating whatever political capital he had after the election, Obama may be the longest lame duck in the history of the office.
 
2013-06-07 10:58:33 AM

Cletus C.: Trying to score political points by getting nothing accomplished. Sounds familiar.


Republicans as usual want middle class people to pay more, sorry but fark off. Why should democrats compromise on this issue?
 
2013-06-07 11:01:44 AM

Headso: Cletus C.: Trying to score political points by getting nothing accomplished. Sounds familiar.

Republicans as usual want middle class people to pay more, sorry but fark off. Why should democrats compromise on this issue?


You're on board. Fully.

When nothing gets done and the interest rate doubles you'll have your partisan anger to fall back on.
 
2013-06-07 11:02:44 AM

Cletus C.: Trying to score political points by getting nothing accomplished. Sounds familiar.


Actually the Republicans have offered their own student loan bill which is almost exactly like the one put forth by the President. Why do the Dems need to add a bunch of poison pills to this like closing tax subsidies for oil companies?

As much as I would love to fellate the Dems, why not just create a bill for a single issue? Then another one separately for ending oil and gas subsidies? Then another one for closing the other tax loopholes mentioned. I know, I know - both sides = bad, its only wrong when the other guys do it.

And Republicans why not include some of the low income student protections the Dems bill offers? You had the chance to beat the Dems at their own game and you blew it yet again.
 
2013-06-07 11:05:03 AM

Cletus C.: Trying to score political points by getting nothing accomplished. Sounds familiar.



Two people are arguing about what to do about a friend who is down on their luck.

One person says we should shoot them in the face and leave them to die.
The other person is horrified and refuses to even consider it.
The first person proposes an alternative whereby he merely smashes the persons face in with a baseball bat.
The second person remains horrified and refuses to even consider it.
The first person proposes merely breaking the persons arms and legs and leaving them floating in the middle of the ocean.
The second person, still horrified, refuses to even consider it.

They argue for hours and get nothing done. The first person points at the second and screams "HE'S UNWILLING TO COMPROMISE! I'VE MOVED MY POSITION MULTIPLE TIMES IN GOOD FAITH BUT YOU ARE WHY WE CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE!!!".


/The Republicans are the first person.
 
2013-06-07 11:07:20 AM

MithrandirBooga: Cletus C.: Trying to score political points by getting nothing accomplished. Sounds familiar.


Two people are arguing about what to do about a friend who is down on their luck.

One person says we should shoot them in the face and leave them to die.
The other person is horrified and refuses to even consider it.
The first person proposes an alternative whereby he merely smashes the persons face in with a baseball bat.
The second person remains horrified and refuses to even consider it.
The first person proposes merely breaking the persons arms and legs and leaving them floating in the middle of the ocean.
The second person, still horrified, refuses to even consider it.

They argue for hours and get nothing done. The first person points at the second and screams "HE'S UNWILLING TO COMPROMISE! I'VE MOVED MY POSITION MULTIPLE TIMES IN GOOD FAITH BUT YOU ARE WHY WE CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE!!!".


/The Republicans are the first person.


Kinda wanted to shoot myself in the face for reading that.
 
2013-06-07 11:07:44 AM

Cletus C.: Headso: Cletus C.: Trying to score political points by getting nothing accomplished. Sounds familiar.

Republicans as usual want middle class people to pay more, sorry but fark off. Why should democrats compromise on this issue?

You're on board. Fully.

When nothing gets done and the interest rate doubles you'll have your partisan anger to fall back on.


Compromising with republicans will raise their rates too, the middle class need to stop acquiescing to extremists on the right.
 
2013-06-07 11:08:40 AM

Shaggy_C: With his scandal-plagued second term evaporating whatever political capital he had after the election, Obama may be the longest lame duck in the history of the office.


You know he's been polling better since the "scandals" broke, right?
 
2013-06-07 11:08:49 AM
51-49 vote.  Not enough to pass cloture.  So if Reid had fixed the filibuster rules, student loans would now be fixed at 3.4%.  So all you younguns who say this procedural stuff doesn't matter or don't pay attention to the elections, listen up.  When you're paying an extra $200-400 a month in interest on your student loans, feel free to biatch about the Republicans.  Don't forget to give a fair share to the Democrats though.  They could have prevented this in January but elected not to so they can filibuster when the time comes.

Still think your "side" has your best interests at heart?
 
2013-06-07 11:09:33 AM

Cletus C.: Headso: Cletus C.: Trying to score political points by getting nothing accomplished. Sounds familiar.

Republicans as usual want middle class people to pay more, sorry but fark off. Why should democrats compromise on this issue?

You're on board. Fully.

When nothing gets done and the interest rate doubles you'll have your partisan anger to fall back on.


Why can't the Democrats ever compromise and adopt Republican proposals without alteration?
 
2013-06-07 11:09:55 AM

Gunther: Shaggy_C: With his scandal-plagued second term evaporating whatever political capital he had after the election, Obama may be the longest lame duck in the history of the office.

You know he's been polling better since the "scandals" broke, right?


And republicans have been polling worse.
 
2013-06-07 11:11:04 AM

Headso: Cletus C.: Headso: Cletus C.: Trying to score political points by getting nothing accomplished. Sounds familiar.

Republicans as usual want middle class people to pay more, sorry but fark off. Why should democrats compromise on this issue?

You're on board. Fully.

When nothing gets done and the interest rate doubles you'll have your partisan anger to fall back on.

Compromising with republicans will raise their rates too, the middle class need to stop acquiescing to extremists on the right.


They could take the Republican proposal and work it more toward what Obama has proposed, restoring more certainty, like he wants. Considering they're almost there it seems doable.

Class warfare is so 2009-2012.
 
2013-06-07 11:14:02 AM

Cletus C.: Headso: Cletus C.: Headso: Cletus C.: Trying to score political points by getting nothing accomplished. Sounds familiar.

Republicans as usual want middle class people to pay more, sorry but fark off. Why should democrats compromise on this issue?

You're on board. Fully.

When nothing gets done and the interest rate doubles you'll have your partisan anger to fall back on.

Compromising with republicans will raise their rates too, the middle class need to stop acquiescing to extremists on the right.

They could take the Republican proposal and work it more toward what Obama has proposed, restoring more certainty, like he wants. Considering they're almost there it seems doable.

Class warfare is so 2009-2012.


There's no "working" with republicans you have to shame them in the media, taking their demands won't accomplish that.
 
2013-06-07 11:14:29 AM

Cletus C.: MithrandirBooga: Cletus C.: Trying to score political points by getting nothing accomplished. Sounds familiar.


Two people are arguing about what to do about a friend who is down on their luck.

One person says we should shoot them in the face and leave them to die.
The other person is horrified and refuses to even consider it.
The first person proposes an alternative whereby he merely smashes the persons face in with a baseball bat.
The second person remains horrified and refuses to even consider it.
The first person proposes merely breaking the persons arms and legs and leaving them floating in the middle of the ocean.
The second person, still horrified, refuses to even consider it.

They argue for hours and get nothing done. The first person points at the second and screams "HE'S UNWILLING TO COMPROMISE! I'VE MOVED MY POSITION MULTIPLE TIMES IN GOOD FAITH BUT YOU ARE WHY WE CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE!!!".


/The Republicans are the first person.

Kinda wanted to shoot myself in the face for reading that.


Please?
 
2013-06-07 11:16:02 AM

Cletus C.: .

They could take the Republican proposal and work it more toward what Obama has proposed, restoring more certainty, like he wants. Considering they're almost there it seems doable.



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2013-06-07 11:18:48 AM

Cletus C.: Class warfare is so 2009-2012.


What the fark is this shiat?
 
2013-06-07 11:21:59 AM

Cletus C.: They could take the Republican proposal and work it more toward what Obama has proposed, restoring more certainty, like he wants. Considering they're almost there it seems doable.


Oh, you're funny. Like the Republicans would do anything that Obama wants.
 
2013-06-07 11:23:23 AM
Democrats new mascot
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2013-06-07 11:23:27 AM

AngryDragon: Still think your "side" has your best interests at heart?


Ummm.... well, obviously not.  But there's one side that's that's actively belligerent against them, so who should they vote for?
 
2013-06-07 11:23:50 AM
If interest rates do eventually go up due to lack of legislation, young voters will look at both parties with disdain due to this.  The Democrats are doing exactly what the Republicans have been doing for the past 5 years: no compromise.  This is not good for anybody.
 
2013-06-07 11:24:05 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: They could take the Republican proposal and work it more toward what Obama has proposed, restoring more certainty, like he wants. Considering they're almost there it seems doable.

Oh, you're funny. Like the Republicans would do anything that Obama wants.


Read TFA, they're real close on this one. Obama's proposal, not Obama's compromise. Come on, take off the political blinders.
 
2013-06-07 11:24:52 AM

MithrandirBooga: Cletus C.: Trying to score political points by getting nothing accomplished. Sounds familiar.


Two people are arguing about what to do about a friend who is down on their luck.

One person says we should shoot them in the face and leave them to die.
The other person is horrified and refuses to even consider it.
The first person proposes an alternative whereby he merely smashes the persons face in with a baseball bat.
The second person remains horrified and refuses to even consider it.
The first person proposes merely breaking the persons arms and legs and leaving them floating in the middle of the ocean.
The second person, still horrified, refuses to even consider it.

They argue for hours and get nothing done. The first person points at the second and screams "HE'S UNWILLING TO COMPROMISE! I'VE MOVED MY POSITION MULTIPLE TIMES IN GOOD FAITH BUT YOU ARE WHY WE CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE!!!".


/The Republicans are the first person.


That's a farking stupid analogy. I understand why democrats are playing football with this issue, but not reducing these rates will have some very serious effects on already cash-strapped students. I get it, but it sucks.
 
2013-06-07 11:26:30 AM

Almost Everybody Poops: If interest rates do eventually go up due to lack of legislation, young voters will look at both parties with disdain due to this.  The Democrats are doing exactly what the Republicans have been doing for the past 5 years: no compromise.  This is not good for anybody.


Cletus C.: Trying to score political points by getting nothing accomplished. Sounds familiar.

 
2013-06-07 11:27:37 AM

Almost Everybody Poops: If interest rates do eventually go up due to lack of legislation, young voters will look at both parties with disdain due to this.  The Democrats are doing exactly what the Republicans have been doing for the past 5 years: no compromise.  This is not good for anybody.


Let me reiterate.

I'm not saying the Democrats should just fold up and pass the House's plan.  I think they should do what should be done: take both bills, sort out the differences, and create a bill that has something from both.  This is how Congress should work.  If nothing is passed the usual blame game will ensue but college voters will blame both parties.
 
2013-06-07 11:27:43 AM

Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: They could take the Republican proposal and work it more toward what Obama has proposed, restoring more certainty, like he wants. Considering they're almost there it seems doable.

Oh, you're funny. Like the Republicans would do anything that Obama wants.

Read TFA, they're real close on this one. Obama's proposal, not Obama's compromise. Come on, take off the political blinders.


Why should middle class people pay even more into the government? When is it enough for republicans? Every single issue they are trying to put regressive taxes and raise fees or rates for poor and middle class people. If you "compromise" on every issue you fark yourself with some death by a thousand cuts shiat.
 
2013-06-07 11:28:29 AM

Tremolo: MithrandirBooga: Cletus C.: Trying to score political points by getting nothing accomplished. Sounds familiar.


Two people are arguing about what to do about a friend who is down on their luck.

One person says we should shoot them in the face and leave them to die.
The other person is horrified and refuses to even consider it.
The first person proposes an alternative whereby he merely smashes the persons face in with a baseball bat.
The second person remains horrified and refuses to even consider it.
The first person proposes merely breaking the persons arms and legs and leaving them floating in the middle of the ocean.
The second person, still horrified, refuses to even consider it.

They argue for hours and get nothing done. The first person points at the second and screams "HE'S UNWILLING TO COMPROMISE! I'VE MOVED MY POSITION MULTIPLE TIMES IN GOOD FAITH BUT YOU ARE WHY WE CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE!!!".


/The Republicans are the first person.

That's a farking stupid analogy. I understand why democrats are playing football with this issue, but not reducing these rates will have some very serious effects on already cash-strapped students. I get it, but it sucks.


Under both Obama's and Republican's proposals, the rates go up. They just go up last sharply for the poorest under Obama. The Democrats are the only party proposing a socially just way of fixing this issue: by keeping the rates low and making the wealthiest, least accountable entities in our country foot the bill.

The idea that young people are too stupid to realize this is yet another failing of conservative propaganda.
 
2013-06-07 11:29:23 AM

Cletus C.: Almost Everybody Poops: If interest rates do eventually go up due to lack of legislation, young voters will look at both parties with disdain due to this.  The Democrats are doing exactly what the Republicans have been doing for the past 5 years: no compromise.  This is not good for anybody.

Cletus C.: Trying to score political points by getting nothing accomplished. Sounds familiar.


I don't agree with you often, but yes, pulling the same crap we have been biatching about for years is not gonna help the system.
 
2013-06-07 11:29:26 AM

un4gvn666: They just go up last sharply


*less
 
2013-06-07 11:30:06 AM

Elzar: Cletus C.: Trying to score political points by getting nothing accomplished. Sounds familiar.

Actually the Republicans have offered their own student loan bill which is almost exactly like the one put forth by the President. Why do the Dems need to add a bunch of poison pills to this like closing tax subsidies for oil companies?

As much as I would love to fellate the Dems, why not just create a bill for a single issue? Then another one separately for ending oil and gas subsidies? Then another one for closing the other tax loopholes mentioned. I know, I know - both sides = bad, its only wrong when the other guys do it.


The  reason being that cutting those subsidies and loopholes would pay for the difference in cost. You can't use the argument single bill single issue when you want every item to pay for itself, you get the cost in one part and where the money is coming form  in the next, making every bill a two issue bill. Funny they didn't realize that this would lead to bills promoting issues they don't like with funding from cuts they don't want to make, but politicians were never really that skilled at thinking things through.
 
2013-06-07 11:30:18 AM

Headso: Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: They could take the Republican proposal and work it more toward what Obama has proposed, restoring more certainty, like he wants. Considering they're almost there it seems doable.

Oh, you're funny. Like the Republicans would do anything that Obama wants.

Read TFA, they're real close on this one. Obama's proposal, not Obama's compromise. Come on, take off the political blinders.

Why should middle class people pay even more into the government? When is it enough for republicans? Every single issue they are trying to put regressive taxes and raise fees or rates for poor and middle class people. If you "compromise" on every issue you fark yourself with some death by a thousand cuts shiat.


Which makes failing to reach a deal acceptable somehow? Those consequences don't count?
 
2013-06-07 11:35:10 AM
This is why I went to northeastern Oklahoma A&m junior college.

/go Golden Norsemen!!
 
2013-06-07 11:35:13 AM

Cletus C.: Headso: Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: They could take the Republican proposal and work it more toward what Obama has proposed, restoring more certainty, like he wants. Considering they're almost there it seems doable.

Oh, you're funny. Like the Republicans would do anything that Obama wants.

Read TFA, they're real close on this one. Obama's proposal, not Obama's compromise. Come on, take off the political blinders.

Why should middle class people pay even more into the government? When is it enough for republicans? Every single issue they are trying to put regressive taxes and raise fees or rates for poor and middle class people. If you "compromise" on every issue you fark yourself with some death by a thousand cuts shiat.

Which makes failing to reach a deal acceptable somehow? Those consequences don't count?


The consequences would hopefully be temporary after you shame republicans enough through the media. What you want democrats to do, quietly compromise so that middle class people pay even more into the government, is not going to help them in the long run. Next month there will be some other issue where they want these brackets to pay even more. That day comes and you will want them to compromise on that too.
 
2013-06-07 11:38:34 AM

Headso: Cletus C.: Headso: Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: They could take the Republican proposal and work it more toward what Obama has proposed, restoring more certainty, like he wants. Considering they're almost there it seems doable.

Oh, you're funny. Like the Republicans would do anything that Obama wants.

Read TFA, they're real close on this one. Obama's proposal, not Obama's compromise. Come on, take off the political blinders.

Why should middle class people pay even more into the government? When is it enough for republicans? Every single issue they are trying to put regressive taxes and raise fees or rates for poor and middle class people. If you "compromise" on every issue you fark yourself with some death by a thousand cuts shiat.

Which makes failing to reach a deal acceptable somehow? Those consequences don't count?

The consequences would hopefully be temporary after you shame republicans enough through the media. What you want democrats to do, quietly compromise so that middle class people pay even more into the government, is not going to help them in the long run. Next month there will be some other issue where they want these brackets to pay even more. That day comes and you will want them to compromise on that too.


Like sequestration. Or whatever, whatever. Dysfunctional government is what we apparently want and what we're getting.
 
2013-06-07 11:39:29 AM

Cletus C.: Trying to score political points by getting nothing accomplished. Sounds familiar.


Yes, obstructionist filibustering sucks.
 
2013-06-07 11:42:43 AM

palelizard: Yes, obstructionist filibustering sucks.


Actually, I like obstructionist filibustering.  If you believe in something so passionately, and so deeply that you're willing to take the floor and speak until either you give out or the majority breaks and relents... that's an important and valuable political tool.

However, this current kind of "filibustering" where you just do a quick head count is bullshiat.
 
2013-06-07 11:45:22 AM

Gunther: Shaggy_C: With his scandal-plagued second term evaporating whatever political capital he had after the election, Obama may be the longest lame duck in the history of the office.

You know he's been polling better since the "scandals" broke, right?


Polling and the relationship with Congress are two very different animals.  Remember back in 2009, when he was complaining to the members of the House that it was impossible for them to work together when they would go home to their districts and call him a socialist monster bent on the destruction of America? When they returned to Washington after using language like that, they couldn't even be seen taking a soft line on anything lest they be accused of corroborating with the socialist usurper.  Same thing goes today - as long as they're out there beating the "most corrupt, underhanded, conniving snake of a politician who kills Americans for fun and covers it up (secret Moslem)" drum it's going to be impossible for him to get anything he wants passed.  Anything with the Obama touch on it is poison in D.C. these days; hence why the Democrats are blowing off his own plan completely and trying their own approach. This is why I made the "lame duck" comment; he's essentially powerless thanks to the obstruction of the other side.  Sure, it may not poll as well now, but I don't see any evidence that the electorate is keen on punishing the members of the House for their actions.  In fact, with all the gerrymandering, I fully expect them to retain and possibly even gain more seats in the 2014 cycle.
 
2013-06-07 11:49:37 AM

Cletus C.: Headso: Cletus C.: Headso: Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: They could take the Republican proposal and work it more toward what Obama has proposed, restoring more certainty, like he wants. Considering they're almost there it seems doable.

Oh, you're funny. Like the Republicans would do anything that Obama wants.

Read TFA, they're real close on this one. Obama's proposal, not Obama's compromise. Come on, take off the political blinders.

Why should middle class people pay even more into the government? When is it enough for republicans? Every single issue they are trying to put regressive taxes and raise fees or rates for poor and middle class people. If you "compromise" on every issue you fark yourself with some death by a thousand cuts shiat.

Which makes failing to reach a deal acceptable somehow? Those consequences don't count?

The consequences would hopefully be temporary after you shame republicans enough through the media. What you want democrats to do, quietly compromise so that middle class people pay even more into the government, is not going to help them in the long run. Next month there will be some other issue where they want these brackets to pay even more. That day comes and you will want them to compromise on that too.

Like sequestration. Or whatever, whatever. Dysfunctional government is what we apparently want and what we're getting.


The disfunction begins and can end with republicans, either they relent on some of these issues where they are trying to destroy the middle class or the democrats should take the fight to the media. The most republican states are now taxing people on food, there is no compromising with that.
 
2013-06-07 11:51:49 AM

Shaggy_C: Anything with the Obama touch on it is poison in D.C. these days; hence why the Democrats are blowing off his own plan completely and trying their own approach.


To be fair, I think it's a reasonable stance to say, "fark it, these are student loans, the interest rate will be x%".

If university tuition isn't tied to the performance of financial instruments, why should student loans be?  Again, this is just Obama being the centre-right politician that he is.
 
2013-06-07 12:01:36 PM

Mercutio74: palelizard: Yes, obstructionist filibustering sucks.

Actually, I like obstructionist filibustering.  If you believe in something so passionately, and so deeply that you're willing to take the floor and speak until either you give out or the majority breaks and relents... that's an important and valuable political tool.

However, this current kind of "filibustering" where you just do a quick head count is bullshiat.


True.  I'm okay with the actual talking kind--there's a serious sacrifice involved.  The current version just changed the rules from "You need a majority" to "you need 60%".
 
2013-06-07 12:05:23 PM

Shaggy_C: This is why I made the "lame duck" comment; he's essentially powerless thanks to the obstruction of the other side.


Except in the post I was responding to you blamed his lame duck status on scandals, not obstructionism.
 
2013-06-07 01:06:45 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: Almost Everybody Poops: If interest rates do eventually go up due to lack of legislation, young voters will look at both parties with disdain due to this.  The Democrats are doing exactly what the Republicans have been doing for the past 5 years: no compromise.  This is not good for anybody.

Let me reiterate.

I'm not saying the Democrats should just fold up and pass the House's plan.  I think they should do what should be done: take both bills, sort out the differences, and create a bill that has something from both.  This is how Congress should work.  If nothing is passed the usual blame game will ensue but college voters will blame both parties.


I'm pretty sure they'll blame Republicans more.
 
2013-06-07 01:19:27 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: Almost Everybody Poops: If interest rates do eventually go up due to lack of legislation, young voters will look at both parties with disdain due to this.  The Democrats are doing exactly what the Republicans have been doing for the past 5 years: no compromise.  This is not good for anybody.

Let me reiterate.

I'm not saying the Democrats should just fold up and pass the House's plan.  I think they should do what should be done: take both bills, sort out the differences, and create a bill that has something from both.  This is how Congress should work.  If nothing is passed the usual blame game will ensue but college voters will blame both parties.


Why? The objective of compromising would be to garner Republican support, and since it's almost certain the Republicans would filibuster even a compromise bill, there's no reason to go through all the trouble.

"I'd like you to put this in the bill."
"OK, will you vote for it if I do?"
"You know I can't do that."
"Then why should I put it in the bill?"
 
2013-06-07 02:49:20 PM
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Really?  I'm the Weeners this?
 
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