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2013-06-06 08:57:01 PM  
Three-day supply of K-rations, chocolate bars, candy, powdered coffee, sugar, matches, compass, bayonet, trenching-tool, ammunition, gas mask, musette bag with ammo, my webbing, my 45, canteen, two cartons of smokes, Hawkins mine, two grenades, smoke grenade, Gammon grenade, TNT, this bullshiat and a pair of nasty skivvies!
 
2013-06-06 09:14:51 PM  
... one prophylactic, unused... one soiled...
 
2013-06-06 09:17:08 PM  

whyRpeoplesostupid: Three-day supply of K-rations, chocolate bars, candy, powdered coffee, sugar, matches, compass, bayonet, trenching-tool, ammunition, gas mask, musette bag with ammo, my webbing, my 45, canteen, two cartons of smokes, Hawkins mine, two grenades, smoke grenade, Gammon grenade, TNT, this bullshiat and a pair of nasty skivvies!


A fella could have one hell of a weekend in Vegas with that.
 
2013-06-06 09:45:04 PM  

Solon Isonomia: whyRpeoplesostupid: Three-day supply of K-rations, chocolate bars, candy, powdered coffee, sugar, matches, compass, bayonet, trenching-tool, ammunition, gas mask, musette bag with ammo, my webbing, my 45, canteen, two cartons of smokes, Hawkins mine, two grenades, smoke grenade, Gammon grenade, TNT, this bullshiat and a pair of nasty skivvies!

A fella could have one hell of a weekend in Vegas with that.


Hell yeah.
The first aid kits contained Benzedrine, and Morphine ready to shoot.
 
2013-06-06 10:30:08 PM  
I'm assuming brass balls isn't on the list
 
2013-06-06 10:35:26 PM  
That looks more like a paratrooper to me

/not that I'm any kind of authority
//but I thought only Airborne did the ballooned trouser thing
 
2013-06-06 10:53:33 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: I'm assuming brass balls isn't on the list


Most certainly as the majority of the first wave were combat noobs. The vets knew better.
 
2013-06-06 11:00:56 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: That looks more like a paratrooper to me


I'm not much of a uniform expert either, but I think you're right, but for the wrong reasons. Standard US infantry uniform in WWII they tucked their trousers into their boots. However the drawing shows him wearing jump boots, a "parachute type" first aid kit on his legs, and I'm pretty sure only the airborne went in with helmets already camouflaged with foliage, that doesn't help much on open beaches.

So that would make him an officer in the 101st or 82nd.
 
2013-06-06 11:04:13 PM  

2wolves: Peter von Nostrand: I'm assuming brass balls isn't on the list

Most certainly as the majority of the first wave were combat noobs. The vets knew better.


OK, citation needed. While I'm certain a lot of the first wave at D-Day were not combat vets yet, I would think some soldiers with combat experience from North Africa and Italy were along for the initial landings.

Remember we didn't just land at Omaha Beach, but also at Utah. The Brits, Canadian, etc. hit Gold, Sword and Juno Beaches.
 
2013-06-06 11:05:45 PM  

AirForceVet: 2wolves: Peter von Nostrand: I'm assuming brass balls isn't on the list

Most certainly as the majority of the first wave were combat noobs. The vets knew better.

OK, citation needed. While I'm certain a lot of the first wave at D-Day were not combat vets yet, I would think some soldiers with combat experience from North Africa and Italy were along for the initial landings.

Remember we didn't just land at Omaha Beach, but also at Utah. The Brits, Canadian, etc. hit Gold, Sword and Juno Beaches.


If they weren't a vet when their feet got wet, they were by the time they were dry
 
2013-06-06 11:13:20 PM  

2wolves: Most certainly as the majority of the first wave were combat noobs. The vets knew better.


Omaha in general and the sectors shown in the opening of Saving Private Ryan in particular were well and truly biatches, but otherwise casualties were light, 9,000 or so total with ~3,000 dead.

Compare that to the first day of the Battle of the Somme in WWI, where just the British Army suffered 57,000 casualties of which 19,000 were KIA.

And to pour some gasoline and throw a match... D-Day wasn't the death knell for Germany, the opening of Operation Bagration on the Eastern Front two weeks later was. The destruction of Army Group Center sealed the deal, there was no recovery for the Germans from there.
 
2013-06-06 11:18:06 PM  

AirForceVet: 2wolves: Peter von Nostrand: I'm assuming brass balls isn't on the list

Most certainly as the majority of the first wave were combat noobs. The vets knew better.

OK, citation needed. While I'm certain a lot of the first wave at D-Day were not combat vets yet, I would think some soldiers with combat experience from North Africa and Italy were along for the initial landings.

Remember we didn't just land at Omaha Beach, but also at Utah. The Brits, Canadian, etc. hit Gold, Sword and Juno Beaches.


At Omaha the 1st infantry division had experience from Africa and Italy. The Rangers attached to the to the 29th infantry division had fought in Africa and Italy as well. The 29th infrantry division were pretty much noobs. And that's why the 1st and the rangers were there with them.
 
2013-06-06 11:29:03 PM  
pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-06-06 11:38:52 PM  
For some reason, it reminded me of:

imageshack.us
"Pipe Wrench Fight"....
 
2013-06-07 12:03:49 AM  
You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.
 
2013-06-07 12:08:19 AM  
The modern soldier has all that plus more water, batteries, way more misc. other gear.

As innovations come out that are useful, they get added to the kit.  You still need the other stuff (shovel, compass, water, knife, first aid, etc).

I imagine if someone took 10 pounds out of the pack and was known for it, they would never have to buy their own beer when infantrymen were in the bar.
 
2013-06-07 12:08:55 AM  

fusillade762: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x571]


The faster you get off this beach, the sooner they'll stop shelling. Come Winston. : )
 
2013-06-07 12:16:16 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: That looks more like a paratrooper to me

/not that I'm any kind of authority
//but I thought only Airborne did the ballooned trouser thing



To be fair, subby didn't point out exactly HOW the soldier was landing in Normandy.
 
2013-06-07 12:16:58 AM  
Did Karl Lagerfeld  sketch this?

www.slate.com

/ Where's the Judy Garland pinup?
 
2013-06-07 12:17:38 AM  
Brass Balls? Yeah, we knew that already.
 
2013-06-07 12:18:46 AM  

FightDirector: MaudlinMutantMollusk: That looks more like a paratrooper to me

/not that I'm any kind of authority
//but I thought only Airborne did the ballooned trouser thing


To be fair, subby didn't point out exactly HOW the soldier was landing in Normandy.


TFA implies beach landing
 
2013-06-07 12:26:27 AM  
farking noobs. I generally just load out with a throwing axe, M4, and enhanced armor.
 
2013-06-07 12:32:03 AM  

TommyymmoT: Solon Isonomia: whyRpeoplesostupid: Three-day supply of K-rations, chocolate bars, candy, powdered coffee, sugar, matches, compass, bayonet, trenching-tool, ammunition, gas mask, musette bag with ammo, my webbing, my 45, canteen, two cartons of smokes, Hawkins mine, two grenades, smoke grenade, Gammon grenade, TNT, this bullshiat and a pair of nasty skivvies!

A fella could have one hell of a weekend in Vegas with that.

Hell yeah.
The first aid kits contained Benzedrine, and Morphine ready to shoot.




I bet they lied, often.
 
2013-06-07 12:32:28 AM  

2wolves: Peter von Nostrand: I'm assuming brass balls isn't on the list

Most certainly as the majority of the first wave were combat noobs. The vets knew better.


That statement makes no sense. Do you think soldiers could choose which landing craft they traveled in?
 
2013-06-07 12:40:21 AM  

rebelyell2006: 2wolves: Peter von Nostrand: I'm assuming brass balls isn't on the list

Most certainly as the majority of the first wave were combat noobs. The vets knew better.

That statement makes no sense. Do you think soldiers could choose which landing craft they traveled in?


No, but their commanders could.  You don't waste your experienced troops softening up the enemy, that's what the cannon fodder is for.
 
2013-06-07 12:43:30 AM  

LrdPhoenix: rebelyell2006: 2wolves: Peter von Nostrand: I'm assuming brass balls isn't on the list

Most certainly as the majority of the first wave were combat noobs. The vets knew better.

That statement makes no sense. Do you think soldiers could choose which landing craft they traveled in?

No, but their commanders could.  You don't waste your experienced troops softening up the enemy, that's what the cannon fodder is for.


pretty much. my grandfather joined two days after pearl harbor but had never seen combat before normandy, claimed to be one of the first boats hitting the beach, and then stuck his head in the sand for the next couple hours as the surf turned red.
 
2013-06-07 12:45:30 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: That looks more like a paratrooper to me

/not that I'm any kind of authority
//but I thought only Airborne did the ballooned trouser thing


I thought so too.  But I am looking at a photograph of my Grandfather.  A Captain in the United States Army Chemical Warfare Division.  Maybe they were formals or something?  I don't know the terms.
 
2013-06-07 12:47:21 AM  
Dad was Signal Corps, first day in. This looks very much like the photographs of him but he said that platoon leaders carried a Thompson, not a carbine. His three weapons were a Thompson sub-machine gun in 45, Colt 45 sidearm and a Bowie knife he brought with him from Harlan KY.

Years later he and my mom were traveling in Europe and were somewhere in Germany. The local tour guide ask "Have you ever been to Germany before?" "Once".
 
2013-06-07 12:47:44 AM  

ThatDarkFellow: farking noobs. I generally just load out with a throwing axe, M4, and enhanced armor.


I just whip out the little fellow. Those who aren't frightened into immediate surrender or who are stuck in their tracks with awe, I just wade into them, a-whoompin' and a-whoppin'.  The ones that run away, I knock 'em out with just the tip.

/All I need is this SAW...and this M1A1 Abrams...the SAW and the M1A1 and that's all I need...And this Ma Deuce...the SAW and the M1A1 and the Ma Deuce and that's all I need...And these fragmentation grenades...the SAW and the M1A1 and the Ma Deuce and the grenades and that's all I need...
 
2013-06-07 12:53:03 AM  
that there fellas is a paratrooper
 
2013-06-07 12:54:16 AM  

vossiewulf: MaudlinMutantMollusk: That looks more like a paratrooper to me

I'm not much of a uniform expert either, but I think you're right, but for the wrong reasons. Standard US infantry uniform in WWII they tucked their trousers into their boots. However the drawing shows him wearing jump boots, a "parachute type" first aid kit on his legs, and I'm pretty sure only the airborne went in with helmets already camouflaged with foliage, that doesn't help much on open beaches.

So that would make him an officer in the 101st or 82nd.


Plus, I think in June 1944 they still used leggings on their lower legs/boots. It looks like the jacket is from the M1943 uniform system. There are no thigh pockets on the trousers, so they would be the regular wool trousers. My guess is the artist messed up the boots/leggings and added unnecessary camouflage to the helmet for a regular Army NCO uniform.

And it does not mention in the article that many of those uniforms were discarded as soon as possible after the landings because they were heavily treated with chemicals in case the Germans used gas weapons.
 
2013-06-07 01:02:21 AM  
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What a typical US Navy sailor would have brought to Normandy.
 
2013-06-07 01:05:52 AM  
Never go anywhere without a light tan towel.

Who "impregnited" his boots?

We gotta ban those assault-type gas masks.  Nobody needs that to go to the beach.

/unless you're in New Jersey
 
2013-06-07 01:12:40 AM  

vossiewulf: 2wolves: Most certainly as the majority of the first wave were combat noobs. The vets knew better.

Omaha in general and the sectors shown in the opening of Saving Private Ryan in particular were well and truly biatches, but otherwise casualties were light, 9,000 or so total with ~3,000 dead.

Compare that to the first day of the Battle of the Somme in WWI, where just the British Army suffered 57,000 casualties of which 19,000 were KIA.

And to pour some gasoline and throw a match... D-Day wasn't the death knell for Germany, the opening of Operation Bagration on the Eastern Front two weeks later was. The destruction of Army Group Center sealed the deal, there was no recovery for the Germans from there.


Americans won WWII.  Ask anybody who isn't from a filthy, lying commie country, they'll tell you the same.
 
2013-06-07 01:13:43 AM  
Only 2 extra mags?

If any shooter I have ever played has taught me anything, I would need an entire resupply ship for the amount of ammo I go through.
 
2013-06-07 01:14:19 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: I just whip out the little fellow.


I hope you at least say "Excuse me" when you do.
 
2013-06-07 01:25:32 AM  

maudibjr: Only 2 extra mags?

If any shooter I have ever played has taught me anything, I would need an entire resupply ship for the amount of ammo I go through.


Plenty of extras to take off the expected casualties, I assume...
 
2013-06-07 01:25:40 AM  

maudibjr: Only 2 extra mags?

If any shooter I have ever played has taught me anything, I would need an entire resupply ship for the amount of ammo I go through.


Don't worry, you'd likely have been dead before you got the chance to reload.  And if not, there would plenty of extra ammo laying around on the corpses of your friends.
 
2013-06-07 01:25:42 AM  

sendtodave: vossiewulf: 2wolves: Most certainly as the majority of the first wave were combat noobs. The vets knew better.

Omaha in general and the sectors shown in the opening of Saving Private Ryan in particular were well and truly biatches, but otherwise casualties were light, 9,000 or so total with ~3,000 dead.

Compare that to the first day of the Battle of the Somme in WWI, where just the British Army suffered 57,000 casualties of which 19,000 were KIA.

And to pour some gasoline and throw a match... D-Day wasn't the death knell for Germany, the opening of Operation Bagration on the Eastern Front two weeks later was. The destruction of Army Group Center sealed the deal, there was no recovery for the Germans from there.

Americans won WWII.  Ask anybody who isn't from a filthy, lying commie country, they'll tell you the same.


Although it is safe to say such trolling statements here, don't ever say that at a history-based website. You'll be run out on a rail, and you would deserve it.
 
2013-06-07 01:28:08 AM  

rebelyell2006: sendtodave: vossiewulf: 2wolves: Most certainly as the majority of the first wave were combat noobs. The vets knew better.

Omaha in general and the sectors shown in the opening of Saving Private Ryan in particular were well and truly biatches, but otherwise casualties were light, 9,000 or so total with ~3,000 dead.

Compare that to the first day of the Battle of the Somme in WWI, where just the British Army suffered 57,000 casualties of which 19,000 were KIA.

And to pour some gasoline and throw a match... D-Day wasn't the death knell for Germany, the opening of Operation Bagration on the Eastern Front two weeks later was. The destruction of Army Group Center sealed the deal, there was no recovery for the Germans from there.

Americans won WWII.  Ask anybody who isn't from a filthy, lying commie country, they'll tell you the same.

Although it is safe to say such trolling statements here, don't ever say that at a history-based website. You'll be run out on a rail, and you would deserve it.


If you really want to make things interesting, start a thread asking if the Axis could have been defeated assuming the US sat out the war until it was too late, for whatever reason.
 
2013-06-07 01:29:30 AM  

maudibjr: Only 2 extra mags?

If any shooter I have ever played has taught me anything, I would need an entire resupply ship for the amount of ammo I go through.


Officers and commanding NCOs were not expected to get too involved in shooting. They could assist in some fighting, but they were there to lead, and the bulk of the shooting was done by riflemen and automatic riflemen. Hence the officers and commanding NCOs carried carbines and submachine guns that had reduced range.
 
2013-06-07 01:35:33 AM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-07 01:39:17 AM  

Gleeman: rebelyell2006: sendtodave: vossiewulf: 2wolves: Most certainly as the majority of the first wave were combat noobs. The vets knew better.

Omaha in general and the sectors shown in the opening of Saving Private Ryan in particular were well and truly biatches, but otherwise casualties were light, 9,000 or so total with ~3,000 dead.

Compare that to the first day of the Battle of the Somme in WWI, where just the British Army suffered 57,000 casualties of which 19,000 were KIA.

And to pour some gasoline and throw a match... D-Day wasn't the death knell for Germany, the opening of Operation Bagration on the Eastern Front two weeks later was. The destruction of Army Group Center sealed the deal, there was no recovery for the Germans from there.

Americans won WWII.  Ask anybody who isn't from a filthy, lying commie country, they'll tell you the same.

Although it is safe to say such trolling statements here, don't ever say that at a history-based website. You'll be run out on a rail, and you would deserve it.

If you really want to make things interesting, start a thread asking if the Axis could have been defeated assuming the US sat out the war until it was too late, for whatever reason.


I've spent several years arguing with myself about whether the Germans had too high a rate of fire on their machine guns. I tend to think less is more when your entire squad are basically ammunition schleppers. In the end, I guess the Germans learned from the Russians and started equipping more of their men with automatic fire weapons.

Then today I read (a free book on Kindle) The D-Day Dozen. One of the interviewees was a machine gunner. He said the Germans kept shooting off the front of his machine gun. Plus, he pointed out the Germans would fire off a straight burst of 100 rounds instead of the 3 or 4 rounds at a time on his gun.
 
2013-06-07 01:42:12 AM  
img.photobucket.com
What it did not look like.
 
2013-06-07 01:43:18 AM  

MrEricSir: You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.


It never ceases to amaze me that that asshole said that at a 'Later Time'.

farking balls on that guy.
 
2013-06-07 01:43:35 AM  
You people are forgetting something:

www.trueswords.com

Their  GIGANTIC BRASS BALLS.
 
2013-06-07 01:46:13 AM  
I wish that the fist half hour of Saving Private Ryan could have been released in 1946.
Things would be different now.
 
2013-06-07 01:48:30 AM  

rebelyell2006: maudibjr: Only 2 extra mags?

If any shooter I have ever played has taught me anything, I would need an entire resupply ship for the amount of ammo I go through.

Officers and commanding NCOs were not expected to get too involved in shooting. They could assist in some fighting, but they were there to lead, and the bulk of the shooting was done by riflemen and automatic riflemen. Hence the officers and commanding NCOs carried carbines and submachine guns that had reduced range.


The Army still valued accuracy over volume, and to a certain extent still does.

Add in that ammo is really, really heavy and the opposition was still using bolt action rifles, and a couple of extra mags should be enough.
 
2013-06-07 01:50:16 AM  
meowcheese.com

/the only kit you'll need.
 
2013-06-07 01:52:17 AM  

ThatDarkFellow: farking noobs. I generally just load out with a throwing axe, M4, and enhanced armor.


A wand of magic missile wouldn't hurt.
 
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