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2013-06-06 02:20:26 PM  
It's not actually random because they won't buy my Lava Lamp seed generator.
 
2013-06-06 02:31:18 PM  
To whom is the headline referring?
 
2013-06-06 02:34:21 PM  
So do quick picks actually have a seeded progression or would a single millisecond time difference result in a completely different ticket?
 
2013-06-06 02:34:44 PM  
This headline makes no sense.
 
2013-06-06 02:39:50 PM  

The Haberdasher: This headline makes no sense.


That's because it's a complete subby troll &/or fail:

FTFA:"Speaking with Tamba Bay's WTSP, Crandell said the most important thing is that her daughter Mallory learned a valuable lesson that day.

Which is? "That being polite is better than being rich," Mallory said."
 
2013-06-06 02:43:04 PM  
How is she a poor loser???

Seems to have taken it very well, gracious, even a nice little character lesson to the daughter?

And where are scratch-off's mentioned?

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE ;)
 
2013-06-06 02:43:17 PM  
Subby is suggesting that the woman thinks that if she hadn't let the old lady cut in front of her, she would have won instead. That does appear to be the case; the woman is quoted as saying "It could have been us" with regard to the incident. But she certainly is not a sore loser.
 
2013-06-06 02:44:24 PM  
This headline illustrates very nicely the difference between "amusingly trollish headline" and "farking stupid."
 
2013-06-06 02:49:37 PM  

ProfessorOhki: So do quick picks actually have a seeded progression or would a single millisecond time difference result in a completely different ticket?


I think it's based on a butterfly flapping its wings in China
 
2013-06-06 02:50:08 PM  

Pocket Ninja: This headline illustrates very nicely the difference between "amusingly trollish headline" and "farking stupid."


Agreed.  But I guess it's an easy way to get a green.  I'm just going to start making up headlines and assuming the modmins won't even skim the article.
 
2013-06-06 02:51:28 PM  
Stupid assed headline, subby.

What we really learned is that the old lady who won is no lady and no 'winner'.  She's a jerk.
 
2013-06-06 02:52:16 PM  
I don't know if speaking out = sore loser in this case. She remembered, she told friends and they remembered, and it's a small town so she didn't necessarily run to the press with this story.

That aside, the rest of the headline is referencing the random number generator for quick pick numbers in lottery machines versus a roll of scratch-off tickets which are not randomized.

Regardless if she let the lady cut in line or not, that alone doesn't mean that those winning numbers would be on her quick pick ticket. She would just get numbers.
On the other hand if the lady cut in line for a scratch-off ticket (which is just on a roll and dispensed in order) and bought the exact same game she was planning on getting And won, then yes letting her cut in line made a difference.

/For those who live in states without lottery
//You know, non-suckers.
 
2013-06-06 02:54:15 PM  

ProfessorOhki: So do quick picks actually have a seeded progression or would a single millisecond time difference result in a completely different ticket?


If all of the tickets of a shared win are bought at exactly the same time then it's a time based progression. Since shared wins are distributed, it's a lot more complicated than that. There is no effective strategy to defeat a system that uses pseudo-random numbers based on a secret series of inputs. A properly designed system would require several factors to line up exactly for the same result to be generated. The developers have the advantage here as well... if they think things are too simple then they add another layer to the filter or take the result and pass it through as one of their seeds and take a pseudo-random'th result from a bounded pseudo-random number of iterations.
 
2013-06-06 03:05:35 PM  

Masterstuff: //You know, non-suckers.


Well...the wife and I spend $1 a week.  It's fun to dream.  And a dollar a week ain't putting us in the poorhouse.

But I see folks in front of me spending $50 on tickets....and it's pretty common.

Those guys are the suckers.  Anyone know if any past big winners were folks that spent more than $50 a week on tickets?  I'd wager that number is *very* small, if not zero.
 
2013-06-06 03:09:31 PM  

ristst: Masterstuff: //You know, non-suckers.

Well...the wife and I spend $1 a week.  It's fun to dream.  And a dollar a week ain't putting us in the poorhouse.

But I see folks in front of me spending $50 on tickets....and it's pretty common.

Those guys are the suckers.  Anyone know if any past big winners were folks that spent more than $50 a week on tickets?  I'd wager that number is *very* small, if not zero.


I typically spend $40 on payday for the lottery draw here.  It's never anywhere near powerball numbers in Canada (but we also don't get taxed on winnings)...usually from those $40 (2 $20 tickets) I'll get a few free tickets and more often than not win $20 back on at least 1 of them.  It's not all crazy.
 
2013-06-06 03:10:09 PM  

Mobutu: How is she a poor loser???

Seems to have taken it very well, gracious, even a nice little character lesson to the daughter?

And where are scratch-off's mentioned?

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE ;)


Double troll by the modmins. You are sore loser because outraged that undeserved headline went green.
 
2013-06-06 03:13:44 PM  

ProfessorOhki: So do quick picks actually have a seeded progression or would a single millisecond time difference result in a completely different ticket?


This.  I'm sure the Powerball people have significant amounts of internal documentation as to how the thing works, but I doubt subby does.
It's probably more comlicated than your traditional LCG, but it could very well depend on the order in which the ticket is sold.
 
2013-06-06 03:22:32 PM  
I just won $250,000 of a $5 scratch-off ticket two weeks ago.  I play them once in a while.  Unlike most people, I seem to at least usually break even, if not come out completely ahead (before this happened).  The crazy part is the government immediately took out about $78k in taxes.
 
2013-06-06 03:24:10 PM  

serial_crusher: ProfessorOhki: So do quick picks actually have a seeded progression or would a single millisecond time difference result in a completely different ticket?

This.  I'm sure the Powerball people have significant amounts of internal documentation as to how the thing works, but I doubt subby does.
It's probably more comlicated than your traditional LCG, but it could very well depend on the order in which the ticket is sold.


I think it is completely randomized.  If you buy 5 tickets at once, the numbers don't usually go in any sort of progression.
 
2013-06-06 03:25:10 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: I just won $250,000 of a $5 scratch-off ticket two weeks ago.  I play them once in a while.  Unlike most people, I seem to at least usually break even, if not come out completely ahead (before this happened).  The crazy part is the government immediately took out about $78k in taxes.


Given that it is taxed like income, that's not all that crazy.
 
2013-06-06 03:26:45 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: The Angry Hand of God: I just won $250,000 of a $5 scratch-off ticket two weeks ago.  I play them once in a while.  Unlike most people, I seem to at least usually break even, if not come out completely ahead (before this happened).  The crazy part is the government immediately took out about $78k in taxes.

Given that it is taxed like income, that's not all that crazy.


But then having the government tax me in a higher income bracket for my regular work doesn't help either.
 
2013-06-06 03:27:52 PM  

SultanofSchwing: ristst: Masterstuff: //You know, non-suckers.

Well...the wife and I spend $1 a week.  It's fun to dream.  And a dollar a week ain't putting us in the poorhouse.

But I see folks in front of me spending $50 on tickets....and it's pretty common.

Those guys are the suckers.  Anyone know if any past big winners were folks that spent more than $50 a week on tickets?  I'd wager that number is *very* small, if not zero.

I typically spend $40 on payday for the lottery draw here.  It's never anywhere near powerball numbers in Canada (but we also don't get taxed on winnings)...usually from those $40 (2 $20 tickets) I'll get a few free tickets and more often than not win $20 back on at least 1 of them.  It's not all crazy.


I used suckers loosely since I am one as well in a way. If I have the money, I spend around $20 on scratch offs here and there. The catch is they have to be 'fun'. In other words rarely a "Match this number to win a prize!" or something with a second chance draw. Examples are Monopoly(scratch off winning properties, win prize), Pac-Man(second chance drawing for tabletop pac-man arcade machine), and World Series Of Poker(scratch cards, beat dealer's hand, Second chance drawing for Poker gear).
 
2013-06-06 03:30:04 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: The Angry Hand of God: I just won $250,000 of a $5 scratch-off ticket two weeks ago.  I play them once in a while.  Unlike most people, I seem to at least usually break even, if not come out completely ahead (before this happened).  The crazy part is the government immediately took out about $78k in taxes.

Given that it is taxed like income, that's not all that crazy.

But then having the government tax me in a higher income bracket for my regular work doesn't help either.


The extra $172,000 take-home seems like it's pretty helpful, though.

Also, only the amount made in the higher bracket is taxed at a higher rate. Your income is taxed on the same rate. That's how our tax system works. You pay more taxes, but that's because the additional money is taxed at the higher bracket.
 
2013-06-06 03:31:50 PM  
...or something without a second chance draw...

FIFM

The Angry Hand of God: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: The Angry Hand of God: I just won $250,000 of a $5 scratch-off ticket two weeks ago.  I play them once in a while.  Unlike most people, I seem to at least usually break even, if not come out completely ahead (before this happened).  The crazy part is the government immediately took out about $78k in taxes.

Given that it is taxed like income, that's not all that crazy.

But then having the government tax me in a higher income bracket for my regular work doesn't help either.


Seriously, good luck with that. The bump into another bracket messes people up a lot of times.
 
2013-06-06 03:35:01 PM  

Bloody William: The Angry Hand of God: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: The Angry Hand of God: I just won $250,000 of a $5 scratch-off ticket two weeks ago.  I play them once in a while.  Unlike most people, I seem to at least usually break even, if not come out completely ahead (before this happened).  The crazy part is the government immediately took out about $78k in taxes.

Given that it is taxed like income, that's not all that crazy.

But then having the government tax me in a higher income bracket for my regular work doesn't help either.

The extra $172,000 take-home seems like it's pretty helpful, though.

Also, only the amount made in the higher bracket is taxed at a higher rate. Your income is taxed on the same rate. That's how our tax system works. You pay more taxes, but that's because the additional money is taxed at the higher bracket.


Either way, it is pretty nice.  I am out of debt, own both my cars, a house, and still have about 90k to invest.  Certainly not enough money to justify quitting your job..
 
2013-06-06 03:35:24 PM  
FTFA: Mother-of-two Mindy Crandell was standing in line at a Publix supermarket in Zephyrhills, Florida, waiting to buy a Powerball ticket in the hopes of claiming her share of a historic $590.5 million payday, when 84-year-old Gloria C. Mackenzie suddenly cut in front of her.

Classy.
 
2013-06-06 03:37:20 PM  
Sore-mitter.
 
2013-06-06 03:38:58 PM  

ProfessorOhki: So do quick picks actually have a seeded progression or would a single millisecond time difference result in a completely different ticket?


Based on the way tying wins are distributed one would think it would almost have to be pseudo-random.

What's interesting here, though, is that while you can't say that old woman cost these people a win which is the angle the media is playing (the odds are very low of that being true either way), you CAN say that her cutting in line is what caused her to win.
 
2013-06-06 03:39:23 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: Either way, it is pretty nice.  I am out of debt, own both my cars, a house, and still have about 90k to invest.


Would you be interested in mint copies of Chuck Norris Karate Kommandos and Mr. T and the T-Force issues #1? They're in mint condition, and Mr. T is polybagged with a foil trading card inside...
 
2013-06-06 03:43:48 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: But then having the government tax me in a higher income bracket for my regular work doesn't help either.


No, that's now how tax brackets work.
 
2013-06-06 03:46:58 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Given that it is taxed like income, that's not all that crazy.

 
2013-06-06 03:49:41 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: But then having the government tax me in a higher income bracket for my regular work doesn't help either.


The Government has no reason to assume that you won't have $[(52 * weekly pay) + 250000] in taxable income this year. Would you rather file your taxes next year and see that you owe $100K?
 
2013-06-06 03:53:20 PM  
Subby:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-06 04:00:52 PM  
My grandparents favorite lottery quote, "the odds stay the same, probably the most honest way to gamble" those odd are fixed at 1:175000000 but hey they dont get any worse
 
2013-06-06 04:02:28 PM  
Masterstuff:  //You know, non-suckers.

Yeah, that old bag is so stupid!  Doesn't she know the odds against her ever winning the lottery?  What a moran!  HAW HAW

/broke
 
2013-06-06 04:03:48 PM  

Pocket Ninja: This headline illustrates very nicely the difference between "amusingly trollish headline" and "farking stupid."


i215.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-06 04:17:04 PM  
"I've never been so sure of anything in my life.  I am going to win this lottery." - Homer Simpson
"Homer, the odds are three-hundred-and-eighty million to one." - Marge Simpson
"Correction, three-hundred-and-eighty million to fifty!" - Homer Simpson
 
2013-06-06 04:23:23 PM  

ristst: Those guys are the suckers. Anyone know if any past big winners were folks that spent more than $50 a week on tickets? I'd wager that number is *very* small, if not zero.


I've heard about stories where the answer is not only yes, but they go on to blow the money on... more lottery tickets.
 
2013-06-06 04:24:56 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: The Angry Hand of God: I just won $250,000 of a $5 scratch-off ticket two weeks ago.  I play them once in a while.  Unlike most people, I seem to at least usually break even, if not come out completely ahead (before this happened).  The crazy part is the government immediately took out about $78k in taxes.

Given that it is taxed like income, that's not all that crazy.

But then having the government tax me in a higher income bracket for my regular work doesn't help either.


It isn't. Only the extra is. That's progressive taxations Whole Thing.
 
2013-06-06 04:25:34 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: I just won $250,000 of a $5 scratch-off ticket two weeks ago.  I play them once in a while.  Unlike most people, I seem to at least usually break even, if not come out completely ahead (before this happened).  The crazy part is the government immediately took out about $78k in taxes.


Dude...I know this is really stupid and I swear I'm not being farkish, but for the rest of us who play and will never win...

Tell us how it felt when you saw you won $250K.

/vicarious thrills are about all I ever get these days
 
2013-06-06 04:27:05 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: serial_crusher: ProfessorOhki: So do quick picks actually have a seeded progression or would a single millisecond time difference result in a completely different ticket?

This.  I'm sure the Powerball people have significant amounts of internal documentation as to how the thing works, but I doubt subby does.
It's probably more comlicated than your traditional LCG, but it could very well depend on the order in which the ticket is sold.

I think it is completely randomized.  If you buy 5 tickets at once, the numbers don't usually go in any sort of progression.


huh?  There's no such thing as "completely random".
 
2013-06-06 04:29:53 PM  

ristst: The Angry Hand of God: I just won $250,000 of a $5 scratch-off ticket two weeks ago.  I play them once in a while.  Unlike most people, I seem to at least usually break even, if not come out completely ahead (before this happened).  The crazy part is the government immediately took out about $78k in taxes.

Dude...I know this is really stupid and I swear I'm not being farkish, but for the rest of us who play and will never win...

Tell us how it felt when you saw you won $250K.

/vicarious thrills are about all I ever get these days


The time I won $500k, I laughed it off as pocket change and took my sweet time collecting on it.  Collected it as gold coins and added them to the pile I swim around in like Scrooge McDuck.
 
2013-06-06 04:38:34 PM  

Pocket Ninja: This headline illustrates very nicely the difference between "amusingly trollish headline" and "farking stupid."


But only with regard to subby.
 
2013-06-06 04:41:16 PM  

serial_crusher: The time I won $500k, I laughed it off as pocket change and took my sweet time collecting on it. Collected it as gold coins and added them to the pile I swim around in like Scrooge McDuck.


I would find this amusing if it weren't true (except for the amount, it was actually $107M).

http://abcnews.go.com/US/marriott-millionaires-son-wins-107-million- vi rginia-lottery/story?id=14483086

Oh, and a couple more just for the sake of depression:
http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/10/millionaire-banker-wins-new-y or k-lottery
http://thevileplutocrat.com/bile/articles/rep.-jim-sensenbrenner-win s- lottery-for-third-time/
 
2013-06-06 04:43:46 PM  

ProfessorOhki: So do quick picks actually have a seeded progression or would a single millisecond time difference result in a completely different ticket?


The second one.
 
2013-06-06 04:46:45 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: serial_crusher: ProfessorOhki: So do quick picks actually have a seeded progression or would a single millisecond time difference result in a completely different ticket?

This.  I'm sure the Powerball people have significant amounts of internal documentation as to how the thing works, but I doubt subby does.
It's probably more comlicated than your traditional LCG, but it could very well depend on the order in which the ticket is sold.

I think it is completely randomized.  If you buy 5 tickets at once, the numbers don't usually go in any sort of progression.


The progression is still pseudorandom, you wouldn't be notice any progression. The question if these are the same:

1) Buy ticket A
2) Wait 5 min
3) Buy ticket B

1) Buy ticket A
2) Wait 10 min
3) Buy ticket B

Either the quick pick machine always spits out the 'random' numbers in the same sequence or there's an external element like processor clock such that it's impossible to say "I would have won if I'd been next." For all we know, the random numbers are generated centrally somehow and distributed at purchase time, which means even if there wasn't a time component in the number generation, someone in another store would get the next one in the line if you delayed a second.

skozlaw: What's interesting here, though, is that while you can't say that old woman cost these people a win which is the angle the media is playing (the odds are very low of that being true either way), you CAN say that her cutting in line is what caused her to win.


That's a good way of putting it.
 
2013-06-06 04:48:26 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: The Angry Hand of God: But then having the government tax me in a higher income bracket for my regular work doesn't help either.

The Government has no reason to assume that you won't have $[(52 * weekly pay) + 250000] in taxable income this year. Would you rather file your taxes next year and see that you owe $100K?


I knew a guy who won a smaller amount -- a few grand. Everyone told him to put money back for taxes, but he didn't and ended up being farked. The government taking that initial chunk out of the winnings is them doing you a favor.
 
2013-06-06 04:48:50 PM  

PsyLord: Subby:

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 340x152]


I think what Subby is saying is that if both players were buying the same scratch off game and one person let's the other person go first.  The person that let the other person go in front of them could have won BUT since it was a quick pick that won, it doesn't really matter that this lady let another person go first.  It doesn't mean the 84 year old got her numbers.
 
2013-06-06 05:43:23 PM  

ProfessorOhki: So do quick picks actually have a seeded progression or would a single millisecond time difference result in a completely different ticket?



Probably.
 
2013-06-06 05:52:47 PM  
 "That being polite is better than being rich," = sour grapes
sour grapes = sore loser
"It could have been us" = dumbass
subby FTW
 
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