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(TSN)   Retired NHL referee Kerry Fraser defends a non-call that affected the outcome of last night's Pens/Bruins game   (tsn.ca) divider line 56
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2013-06-06 03:29:14 PM
If by "defend a non-call" you mean he a) agreed that Jagr hooked Malkin and then b) hemmed and hawed about how and when penalties get called in various situations without actually coming to a conclusion -- then yes.

He did a very good job of not answering the question.
 
2013-06-06 03:30:37 PM
Wow, yup that was the only non-call and clearly the refs just wanted to hand the game to the Bruins. Jeez Philly pull yourselves together...your starting to sound like Seahawks fans.
 
2013-06-06 03:30:57 PM
Call them the same way every period, regular season and overtime.  It's just stupid to make "special rules" for different games and different periods.
 
2013-06-06 03:33:34 PM

Donnchadha: If by "defend a non-call" you mean he a) agreed that Jagr hooked Malkin and then b) hemmed and hawed about how and when penalties get called in various situations without actually coming to a conclusion -- then yes.

He did a very good job of not answering the question.


I dunno, I thought his answer was pretty clear in the last paragraph:


Bill and Angelo, the Referees have to make a call such as this at anytime throughout the game. When they do, they need to be supported by the entire hockey community. Let's not ever hear again the old adage to, "let the players decide the outcome of the game."
 
2013-06-06 03:38:24 PM
Retired NHL referee Kerry Fraser defends a non-call that affected effected the outcome of last night's Pens/Bruins game

FTFY,  subby
 
2013-06-06 03:42:06 PM

DontMakeMeShushYou: Wow, yup that was the only non-call and clearly the refs just wanted to hand the game to the Bruins. Jeez

Philly pull yourselves together...your starting to sound like Seahawks fans.

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2013-06-06 03:42:32 PM
Where in that article did he defend the missed call?
 
2013-06-06 03:42:58 PM

DontMakeMeShushYou: Wow, yup that was the only non-call and clearly the refs just wanted to hand the game to the Bruins. Jeez Philly pull yourselves together...your starting to sound like Seahawks fans.


wot
 
2013-06-06 03:43:56 PM
You knew they were letting things go when Lucic was battling in the corner while his arm was being pulled behind the net.  The lack of consistency has been a bit confusing on both sides, methinks.  But take that along with the penalty totals - 9 for Boston and 8 for Pittsburgh - and I'm not feeling guilt over a little hook.
 
2013-06-06 03:46:23 PM

Donnchadha: He did a very good job of not answering the question.


I didn't get that at all.  He pretty clearly stated it was a penalty and should have been called.  He did say that some will argue that it wasn't called because of the old adage of letting the players decide the game, but he still thought that it should have been called, particularly since there had been penalties already called in OT.
 
2013-06-06 03:51:20 PM
There were a couple of non-calls that should've resulted in a Bruins' PP, as well.

It's a wash. Bad calls and non calls happen all the time. That's hockey... and sports, in general.
 
2013-06-06 04:00:35 PM

keylock71: There were a couple of non-calls that should've resulted in a Bruins' PP, as well.

It's a wash. Bad calls and non calls happen all the time. That's hockey... and sports, in general.


They mentioned the hook last night on NBC and I really didn't believe them (perhaps drinking too much of the Jack Edwards Kool Aid)  so I watched it a couple more times.  Jagr's stick is obscured between them and the boards, and he isn't fully extended nor does he catch Malkin with the curve of the blade; he uses the shaft for leverage.  Against the rules, perhaps, but if I were to ever teach hooking, that would be it.
Sadly, we now know he'll be in the box for at least 2 on Friday.
 
2013-06-06 04:02:20 PM

keylock71: There were a couple of non-calls that should've resulted in a Bruins' PP, as well.

It's a wash. Bad calls and non calls happen all the time. That's hockey... and sports, in general.


Yeah, but it just sounds hollow coming from Fraser, a ref who never saw a play he couldn't make about himself.

/Mic Magoo also
 
2013-06-06 04:02:57 PM
Doesn't seem to matter, they could have played 10 overtime periods, the Penguins weren't scoring again.
 
2013-06-06 04:03:02 PM
niklas hjalmarsson should have been the hero of game seven against detroit, lest we forget.

that said, i want to see the B's sweep the pens.
 
2013-06-06 04:25:15 PM
Clearly it is bad officiating that has caused the Pens to choke and score only 2 goals in almost 14 periods of hockey. Yup. The officials are out to get you Pittsburgh because the last thing the league wants is Crosby in the finals. Bad at scoring so far, but still professional whiners
 
2013-06-06 04:25:39 PM
Bbbbbutthurt.

There have been plenty of things that should have been called. I'm just glad they didn't and the game ended.

My heart and head were about to assplode if it didn't.
 
2013-06-06 04:30:53 PM

meanmutton: Retired NHL referee Kerry Fraser defends a non-call that affected effected the outcome of last night's Pens/Bruins game

FTFY,  subby


Affect - verb.
Effect - noun

Subby was correct.

/subby
 
2013-06-06 04:31:58 PM

meanmutton: Retired NHL referee Kerry Fraser defends a non-call that affected effected the outcome of last night's Pens/Bruins game

FTFY,  subby


No, you didn't.

"Effect" is a noun. "Affect" is a verb. To affect something to to cause some effect. However, "effect" can sometimes be a verb, but should not be used where "affect" is more proper.
 
2013-06-06 04:33:39 PM
Also, the more likely reasoning behind the Jagr non-call is that Malkin gave a similar hook to Jagr that also caused a change in possession. Quid pro quo.
 
2013-06-06 04:36:00 PM
Im a huge pens fan and cried for most of the night.  was it a hook? you betcha.   was it missed?  you betcha. did it a/effect the outcome of the game? you betcha.  nothing you can do about it now..let it go....there were probably 1231289 penalties not called.  this one happened to go in boston's favor and lead to eventual goal.  movin on now....

 this is why pens lost are owen 3.

outscored 11-2 in 9 periods. somewhere near top in goals scored.
0-12 on power play, formally 28%
crosby/malkin/iginla 0 pts.  3 of top 10 before boston.

cant win without goals....

//damn those posts.
 
2013-06-06 04:36:06 PM

meanmutton: Retired NHL referee Kerry Fraser defends a non-call that affected effected the outcome of last night's Pens/Bruins game

FTFY,  subby


Actually...
af·fect1 [v. uh-fekt;  n. af-ekt] verb (used with object)1.to act on; produce an effect or ch ange in: Cold weather affected the crops. So he is right.
 
2013-06-06 04:36:14 PM

fatalvenom: My heart and head were about to assplode if it didn't.


No shiat... Couldn't even sit down. Close to the feeling had watching Game 7 in the 2011 ECF against Tampa Bay.
 
2013-06-06 04:36:50 PM
Oh wow.  Triple simultaneous corrected!
 
2013-06-06 04:57:48 PM

meanmutton: Retired NHL referee Kerry Fraser defends a non-call that affected effected the outcome of last night's Pens/Bruins game

FTFY,  subby


I think it can be either, in this instance, but it may change the meaning of the sentence: causing the result (effect) or influencing the result (affect).
Honestly, it's ambiguous.It's almost like a judgment call that could go either way.If only this had some similarity to a topic or past action being discussed by reasonable men and women.
 
2013-06-06 05:01:32 PM
Owen who?

O and 3 !

go B's!
 
2013-06-06 05:10:53 PM

meanmutton: Retired NHL referee Kerry Fraser defends a non-call that affected effected the outcome of last night's Pens/Bruins game

FTFY,  subby


LOL ROTSKY
 
2013-06-06 05:11:16 PM

meddleRPI: To affect something to to cause some effect.


Way to help bail a farker out with your grammatical prowess.
 
2013-06-06 05:13:33 PM
I really like Fraser's columns on the mindset of officials. Almost makes me apologetic that I thought he was the biggest douche ever as an official. Almost.
 
2013-06-06 05:18:49 PM

DontMakeMeShushYou: Wow, yup that was the only non-call and clearly the refs just wanted to hand the game to the Bruins. Jeez Philly pull yourselves together...your starting to sound like Seahawks fans.


...if the refs aren't going to make calls in the last 2 minuts of the 3rd or OT, then pull 'em off the ice like the losing team would pull their goalie.
 
2013-06-06 05:19:59 PM

TonyDanza: some will argue that it wasn't called because of the old adage of letting the players decide the game,


Well, a player certainly did decide this game...by taking advantage of the refs' reluctance to call the game.
 
2013-06-06 05:22:48 PM

skrame: meddleRPI: To affect something to to cause some effect.

Way to help bail a farker out with your grammatical prowess.


Me right good. You shut up
 
2013-06-06 05:39:28 PM
So, restart the game and allow the Pens to win.

/and tie up that traitor Jagr
 
2013-06-06 05:45:45 PM
Fraser absolutely hates the Bruins.  I'm not shocked that he thought a stickwork penalty in the neutral zone in double overtime should have been called against Boston.

Quit blaming the refs.  Pens were 0/6 last night and 0/12 on the pp this series.
 
2013-06-06 05:53:29 PM
Iginla sucks.

/Seriously.  Every time he touches a puck or is involved in a play, it fails.
 
2013-06-06 05:54:16 PM
I just love it when grammar nazis are wrong.

I don't care about hockey.
 
2013-06-06 05:58:52 PM

GooberMcFly: meanmutton: Retired NHL referee Kerry Fraser defends a non-call that affected effected the outcome of last night's Pens/Bruins game

FTFY,  subby

Affect - verb.
Effect - noun

Subby was correct.

/subby


I wouldn't out myself as subby on this if I were you, unless you're willing to admit you didn't read the whole farking article.  Fraser was clear that the penalty should have been called.

Having said that, there's no guarantee Pittsburgh would have scored if they had played another 10 OTs.
 
2013-06-06 06:00:12 PM

meddleRPI: skrame: meddleRPI: To affect something to to cause some effect.

Way to help bail a farker out with your grammatical prowess.

Me right good. You shut up


Sorry. Just going for a subtle pun.

to to = tutu; bail a = ballet

GET IT?

/kicks puck and skates away
 
2013-06-06 06:00:54 PM

bborchar: Call them the same way every period, regular season and overtime.  It's just stupid to make "special rules" for different games and different periods.


This.  At least the NFL tries to be consistent from the first minute of the Hall of Fame game to the last minute of the Superb Owl.

If you start getting deliberately inconsistent, you eventually turn into the NBA.
 
2013-06-06 06:02:48 PM

bborchar: Call them the same way every period, regular season and overtime.  It's just stupid to make "special rules" for different games and different periods.


NFL should let receivers get a CFL-style running start in the playoffs, and allow false starts in the super bowl.  LET THE PLAYERS DECIDE THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME
 
2013-06-06 06:05:44 PM

IlGreven: DontMakeMeShushYou: Wow, yup that was the only non-call and clearly the refs just wanted to hand the game to the Bruins. Jeez Philly pull yourselves together...your starting to sound like Seahawks fans.

...if the refs aren't going to make calls in the last 2 minuts of the 3rd or OT, then pull 'em off the ice like the losing team would pull their goalie.


That would have been a borderline call if it was made in the first two minutes of the first period of a pre-season game.  And I've been hooked harder than that by my wife's earrings.
 
2013-06-06 06:18:11 PM
I bet Cindy cried really hard after that one.
 
2013-06-06 06:31:00 PM

MNguy: I just love it when grammar nazis are wrong.

I don't care about hockey.


You need to turn in your MN guy card then.
 
2013-06-06 06:34:25 PM

Raging Whore Moans: bborchar: Call them the same way every period, regular season and overtime.  It's just stupid to make "special rules" for different games and different periods.

NFL should let receivers get a CFL-style running start in the playoffs, and allow false starts in the super bowl.  LET THE PLAYERS DECIDE THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME


You know, that's not the worst idea ever...  I'd like to see Gronk with a running start in the end-zone against press coverage.
 
2013-06-06 07:05:38 PM

PowerSlacker: I wouldn't out myself as subby on this if I were you, unless you're willing to admit you didn't read the whole farking article.  Fraser was clear that the penalty should have been called.


Missed the ironic tag, did ya?  1994.  Game 6, Toronto / LA.  Gretzky.  Gilmour.
 
2013-06-06 07:36:30 PM

Dr.Knockboots: Owen who?

O and 3 !

go B's!


Will all of you assholes who keep saying that, quit saying it?

Please?
 
2013-06-06 07:38:37 PM
If the refs had actually called a quarter of the penalties that were committed last night, the Pens would have lost by four or five goals in regulation time. While the Bruins are no angels, there isn't a team in the eastern conference that gets away with more picks and cheap shots than the Pens.

As for Kerry, there are a lot of guys wearing stripes that don't particularly care for him or his column.
 
2013-06-06 08:27:05 PM

GooberMcFly: PowerSlacker: I wouldn't out myself as subby on this if I were you, unless you're willing to admit you didn't read the whole farking article.  Fraser was clear that the penalty should have been called.

Missed the ironic tag, did ya?  1994.  Game 6, Toronto / LA.  Gretzky.  Gilmour.


Oh shiat....I forgot he was the ref who missed that call.

Well played.
 
2013-06-06 08:33:53 PM
Penguin fans whining about officiating?

THAT NEVER HAPPENS!
 
2013-06-06 08:48:49 PM

GooberMcFly: meanmutton: Retired NHL referee Kerry Fraser defends a non-call that affected effected the outcome of last night's Pens/Bruins game

FTFY,  subby

Affect - verb.
Effect - noun

Subby was correct.

/subby


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/effect 

2ef·fecttransitive verb \i-ˈfekt, e-, ē-, ə-\Definition of EFFECT1: to cause to come into being2a  : to bring about often by  :<effect a settlement of a dispute>b: to put into operation<the duty of the legislature toeffect the will of the citizens>Also, this:imgs.xkcd.com
 
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