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2013-06-06 12:47:38 PM
And there is a picture of Axl Rose.
 
2013-06-06 01:28:21 PM
"3. Play too much from the new album"

This should #1.
 
2013-06-06 01:56:22 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And there is a picture of Axl Rose.


#11. Four dinner breaks in a 2 1/2-hour show is too many
 
2013-06-06 01:59:30 PM
The one sentence that got me pissy "John Entwistle is basically the only man ever born who could make a bass solo entertaining, and he is gone; this window is closed, rockers. "

I present to you the BEST bass solo of all time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_wGFfrJv4Y">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=7_wGFfrJv4Y
 
2013-06-06 02:00:47 PM
Of course Cliff is dead too but Entwhistle wasnt the only bassist that was awesome.
 
2013-06-06 02:19:01 PM
TFA: Never vary the setlist

Meh, kinda sorta.  How many fans go to more than one show on a tour?  I'd reword that to say "Have a predictible setlist"

You know, open with your high-energy song, balads/slower songs in the middle, close with your "anthem" song.

I really appreciate Pearl Jam for their setlists.  They'll open with really strange songs, they'll play stuff from their albums that you'd never expect to be played live anymore.  Also, they play a bunch of great cover songs.
 
2013-06-06 02:20:55 PM
Funny.  I don't see "Appearing on the Today Show" in there.
 
2013-06-06 02:25:12 PM

downstairs: Meh, kinda sorta. How many fans go to more than one show on a tour? I'd reword that to say "Have a predictible setlist"


But going to more than one show isn't necessarily the only consideration. If the band is taper friendly, they could have numerous fans collecting most or all of a tour.

Of course, I guess those are the bands most likely to vary the set list anyway
 
2013-06-06 02:27:03 PM
I disagree with the following:

3. Play too much from the new album - A few years back, I saw a pretty famous band play their new CD all the way through, then played a bunch of old stuff. It was awesome. Mainly because their new album was awesome, but I don't think anyone really cared. It's nice to know the band is proud of the direction they're going. Also, it gives a break from people singing every single note of songs they know by heart. It's nice to just listen to the band do their thing. It also made me appreciate the new album that much more.

5. Play anything resembling a medley - If you have a ton of songs, why not do a medley of some of your lesser known/not exactly favorite songs? A medley done right can be awesome and gets the audience jacked.

7. Play perverse arrangements of your songs - I know this kind of contradicts my first point, but it also ties into my last point: it's nice to hear a different arrangement than you hear on the album. One of the best things about seeing a band live is getting a different experience than you would just sitting at home listening to the album, and lets you know they have range. For example: Reel Big Fish often does like 9 different versions in a row of one of their songs. I like it.

9. Solo - For certain bands, it gives other members a chance to take a breather, a drink, whatever. Can be a nice change-up in the flow of the show. Often comes before a big-power song, so it gives the audience a chance to rest, too. Plus, if they're good (and I assume they're good, otherwise why are you seeing them?) then it can be awesome to just get in the flow of the music.

Your miles may vary.
 
2013-06-06 02:42:10 PM

Car_Ramrod: I disagree with the following:

3. Play too much from the new album - A few years back, I saw a pretty famous band play their new CD all the way through, then played a bunch of old stuff. It was awesome. Mainly because their new album was awesome, but I don't think anyone really cared. It's nice to know the band is proud of the direction they're going. Also, it gives a break from people singing every single note of songs they know by heart. It's nice to just listen to the band do their thing. It also made me appreciate the new album that much more.

5. Play anything resembling a medley - If you have a ton of songs, why not do a medley of some of your lesser known/not exactly favorite songs? A medley done right can be awesome and gets the audience jacked.

7. Play perverse arrangements of your songs - I know this kind of contradicts my first point, but it also ties into my last point: it's nice to hear a different arrangement than you hear on the album. One of the best things about seeing a band live is getting a different experience than you would just sitting at home listening to the album, and lets you know they have range. For example: Reel Big Fish often does like 9 different versions in a row of one of their songs. I like it.

9. Solo - For certain bands, it gives other members a chance to take a breather, a drink, whatever. Can be a nice change-up in the flow of the show. Often comes before a big-power song, so it gives the audience a chance to rest, too. Plus, if they're good (and I assume they're good, otherwise why are you seeing them?) then it can be awesome to just get in the flow of the music.

Your miles may vary.


Agreed.  #9 is just plain wrong.
 
2013-06-06 02:43:02 PM
#11 Don't get shiatfaced before a show. You're a rock star, but a businessman too, with loyal paying customers.

#12. Know when it's time to stop touring. Don't be pathetic.
 
2013-06-06 02:45:58 PM
11. Too much patter - It's all well and good to interact with the audience, but there are some artists in serious need of the Wrap It Up sign.
 
2013-06-06 03:14:48 PM

Car_Ramrod: 7. Play perverse arrangements of your songs - I know this kind of contradicts my first point, but it also ties into my last point: it's nice to hear a different arrangement than you hear on the album. One of the best things about seeing a band live is getting a different experience than you would just sitting at home listening to the album, and lets you know they have range. For example: Reel Big Fish often does like 9 different versions in a row of one of their songs. I like it.


The opposite of this should be on the list, really. If the band only plays songs the exact same way they are on the album, why did I pay all this money for tickets when I could have had the same experience at home?

Granted, the author may have gotten technically correct at "perverse" rearrangements, but if you never try, you'll never learn what works and what doesn't work.

There's actually a few people that I've heard and like live much more than their recorded songs -- one in particular is Jason Mraz. His albums are very pop bubbly radio friendly, but live, it's a completely different show.
 
2013-06-06 03:20:51 PM

Earguy: #11 Don't get shiatfaced before a show. You're a rock star, but a businessman too, with loyal paying customers.

#12. Know when it's time to stop touring. Don't be pathetic.


You know how I know you've never been to a Dead show?
 
2013-06-06 03:23:10 PM
#11 - Don't talk too much about stupid bullsh*t between songs. I didn't come to listen to you crack jokes with the drummer. Looking at you Reel Big Fish
#12 - Don't pimp your merch table between every song. No way, you have shirts and CDs for sale? No sh*t f*ck face. Looking at you Pomeroy
#13 - Dont f*ck your own lyrics and miss the starts of lyrics and generally suck - Looking at you Everclear

But they are right about Dylan, saw him a few years ago and it took me three verses to figure out he was singing "Rainy Day Women #12 and 35"
 
2013-06-06 03:25:08 PM

clancifer: "3. Play too much from the new album"

This should #1.


I cordially disagree. A band that is still active and recording new material has every right to showcase and promote it as much as possible. Demanding that most of their set is dedicated to old classics is pretty disrespectful.

That said, there's plenty of active bands where I don't really care for their newer material, so in anticipation of mostly listening to new-material-I-don't-care-for, I'd rather just pass their concert up instead of showing up to sulk and just stand there.
 
2013-06-06 03:27:18 PM
11. Don't go soft, learn a few chords and turn into a kids act

Looking directly at you Michael Franti
 
2013-06-06 03:28:12 PM

Killer Cars: I cordially disagree. A band that is still active and recording new material has every right to showcase and promote it as much as possible. Demanding that most of their set is dedicated to old classics is pretty disrespectful.


They have every right to do it, and I have every right to tell them that it made their concert less enjoyable.  And no one demands the old stuff.  They just want the band to know that if they don't play the old stuff, the concert won't be as good.
 
2013-06-06 03:29:47 PM
When you're playing in Uganda, don't mention Idi Amin.
 
2013-06-06 03:30:16 PM

orange whip: 11. Don't go soft, learn a few chords and turn into a kids act

Looking directly at you Michael Franti


HOW YOU FEELIN'!?!?

Pretty much the same as the last time you asked 4 minutes ago.

HOW YOU FEELIN'?!?!

Slightly different but seriously, stop asking.

HOW YOU FEELIN'?!?!?!

STFU!
 
2013-06-06 03:30:42 PM

downstairs: TFA: Never vary the setlist

Meh, kinda sorta.  How many fans go to more than one show on a tour? I'd reword that to say "Have a predictible setlist"

You know, open with your high-energy song, balads/slower songs in the middle, close with your "anthem" song.

I really appreciate Pearl Jam for their setlists.  They'll open with really strange songs, they'll play stuff from their albums that you'd never expect to be played live anymore.  Also, they play a bunch of great cover songs.


You apparently don't know any "Jam Band" fans.
 
2013-06-06 03:32:27 PM

Killer Cars: clancifer: "3. Play too much from the new album"

This should #1.

I cordially disagree. A band that is still active and recording new material has every right to showcase and promote it as much as possible. Demanding that most of their set is dedicated to old classics is pretty disrespectful.

That said, there's plenty of active bands where I don't really care for their newer material, so in anticipation of mostly listening to new-material-I-don't-care-for, I'd rather just pass their concert up instead of showing up to sulk and just stand there.


I'm in the middle. I don't mind an active artist playing new stuff, but don't friggin kill a show by dropping 5 or 6 new songs in a row.
 
2013-06-06 03:33:31 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: downstairs: TFA: Never vary the setlist

Meh, kinda sorta.  How many fans go to more than one show on a tour? I'd reword that to say "Have a predictible setlist"

You know, open with your high-energy song, balads/slower songs in the middle, close with your "anthem" song.

I really appreciate Pearl Jam for their setlists.  They'll open with really strange songs, they'll play stuff from their albums that you'd never expect to be played live anymore.  Also, they play a bunch of great cover songs.

You apparently don't know any "Jam Band" fans.


Oh, indeed that's true... but its an exception to the rule.  And like someone mentioned above, jam bands notoriously change their setlist show-to-show for that reason.
 
2013-06-06 03:33:45 PM
#11 Don't choke on your own vomit and die.  I'm looking at you Hendrix.
 
2013-06-06 03:34:47 PM

Donnchadha: The opposite of this should be on the list, really. If the band only plays songs the exact same way they are on the album, why did I pay all this money for tickets when I could have had the same experience at home?


Yep, 100% with you on this.  Its a total treat to be able to say you saw a unique version of a song you love.
 
2013-06-06 03:35:23 PM
#14 Not connecting with your audience.
Worst concert experience was Neil Young and Crazy Horse in the mid-90s when Neil and the band played for 2 solid hours without even saying "Hi" to the sold out crowd.  I'm not expecting a hey-where-are-you-folks-from-? lounge act, but maybe a sentence or two between songs would be nice.

#15 Look like you actually enjoy your job.
If I wanted to see disinterested farks begrudgingly going through the motions, I would look at my co-workers on a Monday morning.  If you're a performer, doing what you love, let's see an occasional smile, some interaction with your band mates, some passion for your (dare I say it,) craft- otherwise, go back to Accounts Receivable. Offending  party:  Aerosmith, on the "Get a Grip" tour.  Guys, I didn't just pay to see Steven jump around, I paid to see a  band.
 
2013-06-06 03:35:43 PM
Don't get all preachy and sanctimonious between songs.
 
2013-06-06 03:36:27 PM

busy chillin': orange whip: 11. Don't go soft, learn a few chords and turn into a kids act

Looking directly at you Michael Franti

HOW YOU FEELIN'!?!?

Pretty much the same as the last time you asked 4 minutes ago.

HOW YOU FEELIN'?!?!

Slightly different but seriously, stop asking.

HOW YOU FEELIN'?!?!?!

STFU!


SO much this.

 Used to go see him alot  around CO in the late 90's early 2000's he had good material lots of energy and very little preaching and then I saw him within the last couple of years and it was all  preaching about the wars  and the problems. 15 minutes of preachy between songs is 15 minutes too much.
 
2013-06-06 03:37:55 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: And no one demands the old stuff.


Well, most don't, but there's almost always a couple retards that scream out preferred song titles during gigs.

Whether I agree with it or not, I always respect how an artist wants to perform or introduce their "art", even if it's directed in a fairly asshole-y, Lou Reed-ish "this album is to be listened only in its entirety in one sitting or you're complete knob who doesn't understand this music and you should just kill yourself" manner. If you're fan of a certain artist, you should already be well aware of just how their live performance is going to go (i.e, if there will be an insistence to play almost all new stuff or not).
 
2013-06-06 03:38:25 PM
#15 Look like you actually enjoy your job.

I'm looking at you, Mister Maynard James Keenan. Yes you. Now turn around and stop hiding behind the drum riser.
 
2013-06-06 03:38:44 PM

downstairs: Ow! That was my feelings!: downstairs: TFA: Never vary the setlist

Meh, kinda sorta.  How many fans go to more than one show on a tour? I'd reword that to say "Have a predictible setlist"

You know, open with your high-energy song, balads/slower songs in the middle, close with your "anthem" song.

I really appreciate Pearl Jam for their setlists.  They'll open with really strange songs, they'll play stuff from their albums that you'd never expect to be played live anymore.  Also, they play a bunch of great cover songs.

You apparently don't know any "Jam Band" fans.

Oh, indeed that's true... but its an exception to the rule.  And like someone mentioned above, jam bands notoriously change their setlist show-to-show for that reason.


Jam band fans be cray-cray. I remember years ago seeing SCI at the Fillmore in Denver and a bunch of the folks I went with wanting to go see an SCI cover band at a bar, IMMEDIATELY after the SCI concert ended. I just don't not understand that kinda of obsessiveness. I'd blame the drugs, but I took them too.
 
2013-06-06 03:43:01 PM

mjohnson71: I'm in the middle. I don't mind an active artist playing new stuff, but don't friggin kill a show by dropping 5 or 6 new songs in a row.


Yeah, unless their new album is some ambitious concept album that can't really be broken up effectively, I usually don't understand the "play basically the entire new album then tack on 5 classics at the end" thing that some bands do.
 
2013-06-06 03:44:56 PM

busy chillin': #11 - Don't talk too much about stupid bullsh*t between songs. I didn't come to listen to you crack jokes with the drummer. Looking at you Reel Big Fish


Heh, I love on their live album, after doing a bunch of banter, Aaron asks the crowd, "Alright, who wants to hear some more music?" and the crowd cheers, and he goes, "Alright. Just checking. You never know. You might want to hear some more of my funny funny jokes."
 
2013-06-06 03:45:07 PM

JacFlash: #14 Not connecting with your audience.
Worst concert experience was Neil Young and Crazy Horse in the mid-90s when Neil and the band played for 2 solid hours without even saying "Hi" to the sold out crowd.  I'm not expecting a hey-where-are-you-folks-from-? lounge act, but maybe a sentence or two between songs would be nice.


Also saw Neil and Crazy Horse in the mid 90's. They came out on stage and kicked ass for 2 solid hours. I didn't need him to talk to me during the show. That's what my wife was there for.
 
2013-06-06 03:45:24 PM
They forgot
#11 don't jump naked into the crowd attempting to smear your feces on your audience

/GG you crazy mofo
 
2013-06-06 03:47:14 PM

Sapper_Topo: The one sentence that got me pissy "John Entwistle is basically the only man ever born who could make a bass solo entertaining, and he is gone; this window is closed, rockers. "

I present to you the BEST bass solo of all time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_wGFfrJv4Y">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=7_wGFfrJv4Y


Youtube is blocked here, so I might be repeating what you've already said, but Victor Wooten, Bootsy Collins, and Les Claypool are all still alive.
 
2013-06-06 03:48:18 PM
A) Medleys are the absolute worst.  Ugh.  Just spare me.  I'd as soon listen to the glut of chopped up songs on commercials....  Looking at you, Metallica.

B) Solo, but don't make it last for frickin' ever.

C) Perverse arrangements: I'll never forget seeing the Stones, can't wait to hear the iconic riff to Satisfaction kick in, and yeah, 1 minute in, oh, hey, this is it.  Meh...

D) Playing the same setlist over and over: LOOKING AT YOU BLACK SABBATH.  This is not exactly a groundbreaking comment, but Sab is my second fave band evar (I'm 12), and I may not see them this summer, largely because it's the most predictable greatest hits set I've already seen 5 times.  Also, 3 hours away, no Bill Ward, Ozzy is sporadic,and openers are probably Slipknot or some shiat.  And Sharon's a whore (for good measure).

E) Pretty solid list
 
2013-06-06 03:49:54 PM
My favorite peeve back in the 70's was when they decided to launch into a 30 minute political screed in the middle of their show (looking at you, Jackson Browne).  Shut the fark up and play your music.
 
2013-06-06 03:50:09 PM

theesir: JacFlash: #14 Not connecting with your audience.
Worst concert experience was Neil Young and Crazy Horse in the mid-90s when Neil and the band played for 2 solid hours without even saying "Hi" to the sold out crowd.  I'm not expecting a hey-where-are-you-folks-from-? lounge act, but maybe a sentence or two between songs would be nice.

Also saw Neil and Crazy Horse in the mid 90's. They came out on stage and kicked ass for 2 solid hours. I didn't need him to talk to me during the show. That's what my wife was there for.


LULZ
 
2013-06-06 03:50:24 PM

JacFlash: #14 Not connecting with your audience.
Worst concert experience was Neil Young and Crazy Horse in the mid-90s when Neil and the band played for 2 solid hours without even saying "Hi" to the sold out crowd. I'm not expecting a hey-where-are-you-folks-from-? lounge act, but maybe a sentence or two between songs would be nice.


This, although in my case it was Boston.  Then they had a hissy-fit because someone climbed onstage and they finished the song they were playing and left.
 
2013-06-06 03:50:25 PM
#11 don't lecture the crowd - let security do their job - I'm looking at you Mars Volta / At the Drive-In
 
2013-06-06 03:50:38 PM

clancifer: "3. Play too much from the new album"

This should #1.



Went to Maiden a few years back, and they played their new album. straight thru, track for track. people were not pleased.

I will disagree with #5 though. Some talented people can pull off a Meledy just fine (seen Jack White do this often). They key is selection. Hint: not your hits

Also, #8 is debatable. It at least depends on the band. Going back to Maiden, a band like that, were it kind of is a broadway show, its hard to mix up the setlist when everything is tied in to sets and prop timing.
 
2013-06-06 03:50:47 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Jam band fans be cray-cray. I remember years ago seeing SCI at the Fillmore in Denver and a bunch of the folks I went with wanting to go see an SCI cover band at a bar, IMMEDIATELY after the SCI concert ended. I just don't not understand that kinda of obsessiveness. I'd blame the drugs, but I took them too.


Indeed.  I love Pearl Jam, they're not a jam band, but they do have quite the following in terms of fans travelling to every show.  Or they did back in the 1990s-2000s when I was into seeing concerts.

I can't imagine:

Monday:  What are we doing tonight?  Seeing Pearl Jam!
Tuesday: What are we doing tonight?  Seeing Pearl Jam!
Wednesday: What are we doing tonight?  Pearl Jam isn't playing, we're going to watch Pearl Jam concert DVDs at a friends house!
 
2013-06-06 03:52:36 PM

Car_Ramrod: busy chillin': #11 - Don't talk too much about stupid bullsh*t between songs. I didn't come to listen to you crack jokes with the drummer. Looking at you Reel Big Fish

Heh, I love on their live album, after doing a bunch of banter, Aaron asks the crowd, "Alright, who wants to hear some more music?" and the crowd cheers, and he goes, "Alright. Just checking. You never know. You might want to hear some more of my funny funny jokes."


oh god! I saw them back in the 90s and that guy just talked and talked and talked and talked. They weren't bad musicians, I liked that album, but STFU and play. They even let some people sing for them. Like handed them the mic and let them do their job. Now, if that had been me, yeah cool, but it wasn't. They were just jackasses. but whatever...I just never went to see them again.
 
2013-06-06 03:53:11 PM
 
2013-06-06 03:54:57 PM
1. Show up ridiculously late

Or show up on time. I saw Muse in February. We arrived at the venue around 9pm thinking we'd miss the opening act at 8 and would have time to grab a beer before getting our seats. We missed 5 songs by then. Honestly- who starts on time?
 
2013-06-06 03:55:02 PM
So you're saying 10,000 Maniacs MTV Live is a bad album? Grandpa is confused.
 
2013-06-06 03:55:45 PM
#16 or whatever we are up to now - KNOW WHAT CITY YOU ARE IN! -  Looking at you David Grisman - "Thank you, St Louis." We are at Starlight. In Kansas City.
 
2013-06-06 03:56:13 PM

LemSkroob: I will disagree with #5 though. Some talented people can pull off a Meledy just fine (seen Jack White do this often). They key is selection. Hint: not your hits


Or start off playing all of one hit, and then launch into a medely of covers.  U2 has classically pulled this off well.  Bad (in full) / part of Ruby Tuesday / part of Walk on the Wild Side.

They also do Exit (in full) and launch in to a slow verision of the chorus to Gloria.
 
2013-06-06 03:56:15 PM
I have two others to add to the list, and both of them come with stories:

Taking a 45 minute break in the middle of the show and leaving some pointless video clip playing in a loop the whole time.  Tool did that at one show I was at.  I'm a huge Tool fan, so I was really let down by that move.  What made it even worse was that, they were playing their best and most powerful stuff, and the place was jumping!  Then they took that break, came back and played all their slow droning stuff.  It put the audience to sleep.


Coming out on stage naked and standing there with your guitars feeding back for 20 minutes, then getting arrested.  When Lalapalooza rolled through Philadelphia back in the 90's, Rage Against the Machine was the opening band.  They came out, naked with P.M.R.C. across their chests and tape accross their mouths.  The drum kit was also set up backwards. They made no effort to explain to anyone what they were doing.  They just stood there until the cops took them away.
 
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