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(The Atlantic Wire)   All may rejoice, the great California prison ban on reading werewolf erotica has ended   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 50
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2013-06-06 02:04:46 PM  
I don't think GISing "werewolf erotica" is a smart thing to do at work.

/really wants to do it
 
2013-06-06 02:20:34 PM  
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Into werewolf erotica.
 
2013-06-06 02:23:43 PM  

blatz514: I don't think GISing "werewolf erotica" is a smart thing to do at work.

/really wants to do it


I got your back, do it!
 
2013-06-06 02:25:33 PM  

SultanofSchwing: blatz514: I don't think GISing "werewolf erotica" is a smart thing to do at work.

/really wants to do it

I got your back, do it!


The first book I saw was "Go Fetch".
I honestly could not make that up.
 
2013-06-06 02:28:00 PM  
One would think they would be tired of hairy beast pawing at them.
 
2013-06-06 02:33:22 PM  
i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-06 02:34:02 PM  

SultanofSchwing: blatz514: I don't think GISing "werewolf erotica" is a smart thing to do at work.

/really wants to do it

I got your back, do it!


Ok.  You watch for the boss.
 
2013-06-06 02:34:41 PM  
So twilight is back?

those poor basterds, as if the raping and shiving wasn't enough.
 
2013-06-06 02:35:31 PM  
Who needs a cigarette?
 
2013-06-06 02:45:35 PM  

liam76: So twilight is back?

those poor basterds, as if the raping and shiving wasn't enough.


Prisons should only have one TV channel...playing the Twilight movies on an endless loop.
 
2013-06-06 02:50:25 PM  
i.cdn.turner.com
How about gay talking gorilla prison erotica?
 
2013-06-06 02:53:46 PM  
Wow. Furries in prison. That can only end poorly. Like, getting farked in the shank wound poorly.
 
2013-06-06 02:53:57 PM  

RatMaster999: liam76: So twilight is back?

those poor basterds, as if the raping and shiving wasn't enough.

Prisons should only have one TV channel...playing the Twilight movies on an endless loop.


cdn.dipity.com
 
2013-06-06 03:07:38 PM  
images.sodahead.com
There wolf
 
2013-06-06 03:18:13 PM  
I'm as liberal as they come, but since when do prisoners have the right to sue over which wank material they have access to?

Don't want to lose your spank bank? Maybe you should have thought about that before you wound up in prison, where the only rights you should have are to sit down, shut up, eat your 3 squares, and enjoy your accommodations - however meager - while you ponder why you are there and which lifestyle changes you will undergo when your sentence is complete to prevent you from winding up a habitual ward of the state.
 
2013-06-06 03:26:30 PM  

misterblint: I'm as liberal as they come, but since when do prisoners have the right to sue over which wank material they have access to?


I think it's a problem when the ban is largely arbitrary or based on someone's personal tastes. I could see banning books in prison detailing weapons making or something along those lines. Banning werewolf books is as arbitrary as banning books with red covers because its a "violent color" or some other bs.
 
2013-06-06 03:33:05 PM  
Just for the information of the public, this concerned a restriction at Pelican Bay, which is where the state sends the worst prisoners who have committed the most serious crimes. This is a horrible decision.  Remember, these are prisoners who have been tried and convicted of offenses, and have had certain rights restricted due to their inability to conform to societies rules.  You do not want prisoners aroused by sex and violence which may motivate them to commit violence inside the facility creating a security threat. Stimulation of this type is not warranted and should not be allowed to prisoners.

No one is saying that this should be banned from the general public.  If you want to read legal materials good or bad of any type, you should be free to do so. However, these restricitons are not on the general public, but on prisoners and that is a meaningful difference that this court did not take into account.
 
2013-06-06 03:40:58 PM  
 . . . Yay?

studs up: The first book I saw was "Go Fetch".
I honestly could not make that up.


I propose a thread of werewolf erotica novel titles.
 
2013-06-06 03:47:38 PM  
So long as reading werewolf erotica is still an imprisonable offense, I'm OK with this.
 
2013-06-06 03:49:41 PM  
Teen Wolf fan fic is a go!
 
2013-06-06 03:55:52 PM  

Daedalus27: Just for the information of the public, this concerned a restriction at Pelican Bay, which is where the state sends the worst prisoners who have committed the most serious crimes. This is a horrible decision.  Remember, these are prisoners who have been tried and convicted of offenses, and have had certain rights restricted due to their inability to conform to societies rules.  You do not want prisoners aroused by sex and violence which may motivate them to commit violence inside the facility creating a security threat. Stimulation of this type is not warranted and should not be allowed to prisoners.

No one is saying that this should be banned from the general public.  If you want to read legal materials good or bad of any type, you should be free to do so. However, these restricitons are not on the general public, but on prisoners and that is a meaningful difference that this court did not take into account.


To a certain point you and others are correct. Prisoners are restricted in certain ways to both provide the corrective action of prison and also to prevent further violence in just such a restrictive setting.

However the courts have long held the position that, even though incarcerated, prisoners do not stop being people and/or citizens of the country and therefore are still entitled to their human and constitutional rights to the fullest extent possible. This means that, beyond segregation from the general citizenry, any further restriction on prisoners must be heavily justified in having either a overwhelming corrective or educational effect. This means that as long as there is any merit in the werewolf smut, even if its just depicting healthy non-abusive/exploitative sexual relationships, then the restriction fails.

It is understandable how people might be confused, or push back against, this as there is a disconnect between what modern incarceration is perceived as and what it is legally and constitutionally set up to be, aka Retributive vs. Redemptive. The general cultural perception is that you send bad / problematic people to jail to be punished so you never have to deal with them again. However the courts in most cases still have the more traditional view that the goal to prison is education and rehabilitation, aka you send people to jail so that they come out ceasing to be problematic because they have been "fixed".
 
2013-06-06 04:14:47 PM  
meh on the whole argument.  For every point that it might excite their feeble criminal minds to violence there's a counter point that it might be enough dim intellectual stimulation to satiate their subhuman lust for sensation.

If you've never been, trust me, after the third night in a row of a random Tyler Perry movie followed by 10 hours of listening to the schizo in holding wailing, crying, screaming, and occasionally singing waiting for monday for someone to finally come deal with him there is nothing in any book in existence that will make someone MORE inclined to violence.  You could plate every prison in gold, offer complimentary backrubs and 5-star chef meals, and it'd never change the fact that hell is other people.

The 3rd night was the best though.  The schizo, some kid who'd made it to the good behavior group after processing and got kicked back to holding by trying to be hardcore then flipped out spent the night singing/screaming country lyrics then stripped naked and flooded his cell by clogging the toilet with his blanket, and some guy who freaked the fark out got put in the solitary/no contact cell, spent the night screaming about how he couldn't breathe and the air was poison, he had a wife and kids to get back to why were they trying to poison him, etc etc then in the morning when they delivered breakfast tried to grab the guards keys through the slot.

They did the full works, whole crew out in body armor, riot shields, and the one guy in back with the camera to make sure there was a record if he tried to sue later.  Popped the door and in they all went body-slamming with the shields.  Guy went down swinging, though.  Tried to pop back up for another go and they tased him.  Just once.  Last thing he screamed was, I shiat you not, "I'm sorry, Edith!"  After that he just cried as they dragged him out of holding off to the danger/danger to self cells.

By comparison the rest of the two weeks stuck in holding because they were backlogged and the actual jail was full anyway was mostly just a dull ache of resentment and raw nerves.  Didn't end up getting processed till the day my check cleared.  If it hadn't been enough to cover my fine I'd have been there another 3 to 6 months.  Quite possibly less, but maybe a lot more.  I'm not real sure.

fark all of you.  I hope someday you find yourself unable to sleep in your own bed for a month because you woke up in the middle of the night and your reflection in the mirror on the door at the same time some asshole outside slams his car door reminded you of the guards checking the rounds.
 
2013-06-06 04:23:36 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: fark all of you.


For what?
Am I to understand that you've become George Bernard Shaw after 2 weeks in holding? Good lord buttercup, I don't really think that qualifies you to rant that long about Pelican Bay.
Yes, I've done longer time. No, there was no TV. Yes I saw a guy get shanked right in front of me. No, I don't drool in the corner whenever someone hold up a utensil.
 
2013-06-06 04:26:24 PM  
Not to be confused with the award-winning children's novel with the same title.

The werewolf erotica title is going for $146 new and $21 used on Amazon.
 
2013-06-06 04:28:38 PM  

studs up: LowbrowDeluxe: fark all of you.

For what?
Am I to understand that you've become George Bernard Shaw after 2 weeks in holding? Good lord buttercup, I don't really think that qualifies you to rant that long about Pelican Bay.
Yes, I've done longer time. No, there was no TV. Yes I saw a guy get shanked right in front of me. No, I don't drool in the corner whenever someone hold up a utensil.


Yeah, yeah, you're hardcore.  That's great.  I'm happy for you.  If you think the loss of freedom, the uncertainty of knowing or controlling your own fate, and being unable to escape being surrounded by other human beings isn't hellish enough without all the shanking and boredom and other pointless nonsense, then we're right back to fark you.

So fark you.
 
2013-06-06 04:32:19 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: studs up: LowbrowDeluxe: fark all of you.

For what?
Am I to understand that you've become George Bernard Shaw after 2 weeks in holding? Good lord buttercup, I don't really think that qualifies you to rant that long about Pelican Bay.
Yes, I've done longer time. No, there was no TV. Yes I saw a guy get shanked right in front of me. No, I don't drool in the corner whenever someone hold up a utensil.

Yeah, yeah, you're hardcore.  That's great.  I'm happy for you.  If you think the loss of freedom, the uncertainty of knowing or controlling your own fate, and being unable to escape being surrounded by other human beings isn't hellish enough without all the shanking and boredom and other pointless nonsense, then we're right back to fark you.

So fark you.


Get professional help or call your mommy or something. You sound very angry that you couldn't buy your way out of a bad situation that you put yourself in. Watch your cornhole there bud.
 
2013-06-06 04:53:34 PM  

RatMaster999: liam76: So twilight is back?

those poor basterds, as if the raping and shiving wasn't enough.

Prisons should only have one TV channel...playing the Twilight movies on an endless loop.


Prison is already bad enough. What is this idea? Some kind of final solution you have come up with?
 
2013-06-06 04:56:10 PM  

studs up: LowbrowDeluxe: studs up: LowbrowDeluxe: fark all of you.

For what?
Am I to understand that you've become George Bernard Shaw after 2 weeks in holding? Good lord buttercup, I don't really think that qualifies you to rant that long about Pelican Bay.
Yes, I've done longer time. No, there was no TV. Yes I saw a guy get shanked right in front of me. No, I don't drool in the corner whenever someone hold up a utensil.

Yeah, yeah, you're hardcore.  That's great.  I'm happy for you.  If you think the loss of freedom, the uncertainty of knowing or controlling your own fate, and being unable to escape being surrounded by other human beings isn't hellish enough without all the shanking and boredom and other pointless nonsense, then we're right back to fark you.

So fark you.

Get professional help or call your mommy or something. You sound very angry that you couldn't buy your way out of a bad situation that you put yourself in. Watch your cornhole there bud.


The situation I put myself in was owing the government money.  Which I then paid.   Not saying it didn't count, or I shouldn't have been there, but a bit of a difference between getting screwed by a delayed paycheck and...let me guess...stud in the username...I'm going to say roofies, or unnatural acts with a farm animal.

Regardless, what angers me, both before and most definitely since, is the casual revenge porn 'good, prison SHOULD be horrible' attitude.   My point is, it is.  If the loss of freedom and rights is not punishment enough, if people don't see that as a terrible thing in and of itself, then what is even the point of punishing those who infringe on the rights of others?
 
2013-06-06 05:08:08 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: studs up: LowbrowDeluxe: studs up: LowbrowDeluxe: fark all of you.

For what?
Am I to understand that you've become George Bernard Shaw after 2 weeks in holding? Good lord buttercup, I don't really think that qualifies you to rant that long about Pelican Bay.
Yes, I've done longer time. No, there was no TV. Yes I saw a guy get shanked right in front of me. No, I don't drool in the corner whenever someone hold up a utensil.

Yeah, yeah, you're hardcore.  That's great.  I'm happy for you.  If you think the loss of freedom, the uncertainty of knowing or controlling your own fate, and being unable to escape being surrounded by other human beings isn't hellish enough without all the shanking and boredom and other pointless nonsense, then we're right back to fark you.

So fark you.

Get professional help or call your mommy or something. You sound very angry that you couldn't buy your way out of a bad situation that you put yourself in. Watch your cornhole there bud.

The situation I put myself in was owing the government money.  Which I then paid.   Not saying it didn't count, or I shouldn't have been there, but a bit of a difference between getting screwed by a delayed paycheck and...let me guess...stud in the username...I'm going to say roofies, or unnatural acts with a farm animal.

Regardless, what angers me, both before and most definitely since, is the casual revenge porn 'good, prison SHOULD be horrible' attitude.   My point is, it is.  If the loss of freedom and rights is not punishment enough, if people don't see that as a terrible thing in and of itself, then what is even the point of punishing those who infringe on the rights of others?


GTA (got reduced)
Studs up is a sports term, probably not  your thing though.
By the sound of it, you weren't in prison anyway, you were in jail. I get that. Jail time is 24hr lockdown, sometimes in a big room with a lot of shiatbags that want to prove it's gladiator school. No, it was not the best time of my life. I farkin hated it and promised myself I wouldn't go back (Dead or Alive coppers!jk). Still,  I did to myself, paid the price, moved on.
This however, makes little sense to me:
If the loss of freedom and rights is not punishment enough, if people don't see that as a terrible thing in and of itself, then what is even the point of punishing those who infringe on the rights of others?
 Should we just give up on punishing people because they don't see it as a terrible thing? You realize there are whole sub cultures that revere jail/prison time as a rite of manhood? They look forward to it. Should we just let these people go because they aren't intimidated and they'll just commit crimes again? Your trauma is another guy's bar mitzvah.
 
2013-06-06 05:25:06 PM  
All you have to do is go into B&N ebooks section, select sci-fi/fantasy (maybe select for cheap) and scroll through until you hit "Werewolf Gang-Bang 8" or the like.
 
2013-06-06 05:29:52 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: If the loss of freedom and rights is not punishment enough, if people don't see that as a terrible thing in and of itself, then what is even the point of punishing those who infringe on the rights of others?


Well, it makes me feel good when bad people suffer.  I mean, a lot.
 
2013-06-06 05:35:36 PM  
FTFA:

" All Iris wants is to snuggle up with her alpha wolf and be left alone. He might turn into a monster once a month, but in a lot of ways, Iris does, too."

Now, THAT is comedy gold!
 
2013-06-06 05:40:44 PM  
Is robin Williams thier spokesman?
 
2013-06-06 05:45:18 PM  
I know just who to invest in now.

http://www.sirenpublishing.com/
 
2013-06-06 05:55:45 PM  

ShonenBat: I know just who to invest in now.

http://www.sirenpublishing.com/


I should go ahead and plug  http://stormmoonpress.com/ since I have a story in an anthology they're putting out at the end of the month.  The anthology is titled Sacrificed and it's lesbian romance/erotica about a woman being offered as a sacrificial victim.  There have been some delays with th editing, so it doesn't show in the "Coming Soon" yet...

/my second published story
//csb?
 
2013-06-06 06:12:20 PM  

fireclown: [i.cdn.turner.com image 400x300]
How about gay talking gorilla prison erotica?


www.screeninsults.com
 
2013-06-06 06:22:08 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: misterblint: I'm as liberal as they come, but since when do prisoners have the right to sue over which wank material they have access to?

I think it's a problem when the ban is largely arbitrary or based on someone's personal tastes. I could see banning books in prison detailing weapons making or something along those lines. Banning werewolf books is as arbitrary as banning books with red covers because its a "violent color" or some other bs.


You do realize prisoners don't have to have any reading material that isn't either religious or law, right? It's a privilege for them, not a right, and it's at the discretion of the warden. This is not an arbitrary rule. Erotica, whether obscene or not, has no place in prison.
 
2013-06-06 06:29:45 PM  

RatMaster999: ShonenBat: I know just who to invest in now.

http://www.sirenpublishing.com/

I should go ahead and plug  http://stormmoonpress.com/ since I have a story in an anthology they're putting out at the end of the month.  The anthology is titled Sacrificed and it's lesbian romance/erotica about a woman being offered as a sacrificial victim.  There have been some delays with th editing, so it doesn't show in the "Coming Soon" yet...

/my second published story
//csb?


Congrats on a second sale. Did you get a flat rate or is it royalty based?
 
2013-06-06 06:56:15 PM  

JWideman: RatMaster999: ShonenBat: I know just who to invest in now.

http://www.sirenpublishing.com/

I should go ahead and plug  http://stormmoonpress.com/ since I have a story in an anthology they're putting out at the end of the month.  The anthology is titled Sacrificed and it's lesbian romance/erotica about a woman being offered as a sacrificial victim.  There have been some delays with th editing, so it doesn't show in the "Coming Soon" yet...

/my second published story
//csb?

Congrats on a second sale. Did you get a flat rate or is it royalty based?


Thank you.

This one is one-time, paid-by-the-word for being in the anthology, but later, after the story becomes available as a stand alone eformat, I get royalties.  My first story was a flat $50 (different publisher), but I can at least say I'm in an anthology with Brendan DuBois (who happens to be a family friend), Rebecca Rule (noted NH author and humorist), and James Patrick Kelly.
 
Kiz
2013-06-06 08:03:05 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: My point is, it is.  If the loss of freedom and rights is not punishment enough, if people don't see that as a terrible thing in and of itself, then what is even the point of punishing those who infringe on the rights of others?


There is no point in punishing those who infringe on the rights of others. There is however, a lot of profit in it.
 
2013-06-06 08:21:14 PM  

JWideman: To The Escape Zeppelin!: misterblint: I'm as liberal as they come, but since when do prisoners have the right to sue over which wank material they have access to?

I think it's a problem when the ban is largely arbitrary or based on someone's personal tastes. I could see banning books in prison detailing weapons making or something along those lines. Banning werewolf books is as arbitrary as banning books with red covers because its a "violent color" or some other bs.

You do realize prisoners don't have to have any reading material that isn't either religious or law, right? It's a privilege for them, not a right, and it's at the discretion of the warden. This is not an arbitrary rule. Erotica, whether obscene or not, has no place in prison.


I truly don't understand this point of view. Short of chemical castration, why WOULDN'T you want prisoners exhausting themselves and giving themselves a dopamine-induced docility, in a way that isn't prison rape? Why do you want sex-crazed testosterone-raged assholes released upon the world, whenever they finally are?

Or is this part of the "lock them up, throw away the key and let them starve or kill each other" attitude, like in Colombian prisons? I truly can't fathom that point of view, yet it's obvious some people have it, here and in the comments of TFA.
 
2013-06-06 08:45:59 PM  

fappomatic: Who needs a cigarette?


You know, your Fark handle is disturbingly appropriate for this thread.
 
2013-06-06 08:53:49 PM  

hstein3: . . . Yay?

studs up: The first book I saw was "Go Fetch".
I honestly could not make that up.

I propose a thread of werewolf erotica novel titles.


She Scratched My Itch

We Howled All Night Long

The Moon Isn't the Only Thing That's Full
 
2013-06-06 09:21:27 PM  
So Anita Blake novels are ok now?
 
2013-06-06 10:16:35 PM  

foxyshadis: I truly don't understand this point of view. Short of chemical castration, why WOULDN'T you want prisoners exhausting themselves and giving themselves a dopamine-induced docility, in a way that isn't prison rape? Why do you want sex-crazed testosterone-raged assholes released upon the world, whenever they finally are?

Or is this part of the "lock them up, throw away the key and let them starve or kill each other" attitude, like in Colombian prisons? I truly can't fathom that point of view, yet it's obvious some people have it, here and in the comments of TFA.


"Law and order" types tend to have a kindergarten view of morality: bad people are bad, good people are good, and no one ever really changes. If you wind up in jail you deserve everything that happens to you, regardless of circumstances, because if you were a good person you'd never have gone to jail. Just World Hypothesis meets the Stanford Prison Experiment.

Fortunately we have a constitution, penal code and common law that make it abundantly clear that the purpose of incarceration is not punishment, and justice is not about revenge. Unfortunately, we have a lot of people in this country who don't get that, and they vote. That, combined with the prison-industrial complex, is leading to a prison system that functions as a gang factory. Petty criminals go in, hardened criminals come out.

See also: three strikes laws, zero-tolerance policies, mandatory minimum sentences, etc.
 
2013-06-06 11:48:21 PM  

blatz514: I don't think GISing "werewolf erotica" is a smart thing to do at work.

/really wants to do it


Okay I'm now home so I'll bite.  First thing that comes out is a movie poster for "Werewolf Erotica", 2nd thing is a book cover, "Howl, the mating call, actually most are erotic book covers with werewolf and wolf themes. Apparently werewolves are the ladies version of the furry fetish.
 
2013-06-07 01:38:03 AM  
Werewolf erotica.... what is this Skyrim fiction?
 
2013-06-07 02:37:13 AM  
All hail werewolf smut.

/subby
//Has written, been paid royalties for a furry erotica novel and anthology
 
2013-06-07 02:15:41 PM  

foxyshadis: I truly don't understand this point of view. Short of chemical castration, why WOULDN'T you want prisoners exhausting themselves and giving themselves a dopamine-induced docility, in a way that isn't prison rape? Why do you want sex-crazed testosterone-raged assholes released upon the world, whenever they finally are?


That's the situation you create when you give prisoners porn. On the other hand, you keep any kind of sexual stimulation away from them and they become less, well, stimulated. Everyone prefers a partner to masturbation and violent prisoners have little problem with forcing their fellow inmates to fill that role, even if they would never rape someone outside of prison. And for some violent criminals, violence itself is their sexual release. Finally, if one guy has porn, it gets fought over by the same people that get all stabby when sexually aroused.
 
2013-06-07 08:24:08 PM  

JWideman: foxyshadis: I truly don't understand this point of view. Short of chemical castration, why WOULDN'T you want prisoners exhausting themselves and giving themselves a dopamine-induced docility, in a way that isn't prison rape? Why do you want sex-crazed testosterone-raged assholes released upon the world, whenever they finally are?

That's the situation you create when you give prisoners porn. On the other hand, you keep any kind of sexual stimulation away from them and they become less, well, stimulated. Everyone prefers a partner to masturbation and violent prisoners have little problem with forcing their fellow inmates to fill that role, even if they would never rape someone outside of prison. And for some violent criminals, violence itself is their sexual release. Finally, if one guy has porn, it gets fought over by the same people that get all stabby when sexually aroused.


Oh, so you also have no understanding of biology or human sexuality. That makes sense.

Testosterone doesn't magically evaporate in the absence of a spank bank, in fact, studies have shown it rises. Troll harder.
 
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