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(Talking Points Memo)   Remember the GOP's plan to give themselve a shot at winning another national election by improving their minority outreach, starting with passing an immigration reform bill that would give illegals a path to citizenship? Yeah, about that   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 123
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2013-06-06 12:19:53 PM
Did anybody actually believe that the GOP was going to do it? Really?

Maybe they'd go along with it if they inserted some extra language into the law, like, "white people are legally allowed to spit on any Mexican-looking person they see" or something like that.
 
2013-06-06 12:21:21 PM
If this stops ObamaCare, then do what you have to do GOP.
 
2013-06-06 12:24:50 PM
Well, for starters, not referring to undocumented immigrants as "illegals" might help in your outreach.
 
2013-06-06 12:26:37 PM
The House was never on board with this, ever. It's all been nonsense.
 
2013-06-06 12:27:23 PM

Lando Lincoln: Did anybody actually believe that the GOP was going to do it? Really?

Maybe they'd go along with it if they inserted some extra language into the law, like, "white people are legally allowed to spit on any Mexican-looking person they see" or something like that.


Well they already tried to insert an amendment saying that illegals could only legallly work as "cooks, waiters, butlers, housekeepers, governessess, maids, valets, baby sitters, janitors, laundresses, furnacemen, care-takers, handymen, gardeners, footmen, grooms, and chauffeurs of automobiles for family use"
 
2013-06-06 12:29:45 PM

Mentat: If this stops ObamaCare, then do what you have to do GOP.


It may also finally reveal the truth about Benghazi!
 
2013-06-06 12:35:56 PM

Nearly the entire House GOP just voted to deport the Dreamers, a position to the right of Romney. Is Self-Deportation still the GOP plan?

- Dan Pfeiffer (@pfeiffer44) June 6, 2013
 
2013-06-06 12:36:37 PM

DamnYankees: The House was never on board with this, ever. It's all been nonsense.


This. It's political suicide for most of them.
 
2013-06-06 12:38:01 PM

sammyk: DamnYankees: The House was never on board with this, ever. It's all been nonsense.

This. It's political suicide for most of them.


Well, that doesn't mean it can't pass. The question isn't whether the House GOP will vote for it, but whether or not they will let it come to the floor. It would pass with the Democratic votes. We just don't know if they'll let it come to the floor. That's what we should be reporting on.
 
2013-06-06 12:39:44 PM
It's as if they know the fickle, rock-stupid teahadists will screech "You done viorlateded the amendment where nonea them there people darker than the stock on Paw's Remington can march in the Grange Hall Flag Day parade! We's gonna primary you!"
 
2013-06-06 12:40:18 PM
It's almost as if the House and Senate have forgotten what amnesty did for the GOP in Miami. There are Cubans who are Republicans for life because of the efforts to smooth over their transition and expedite their citizenship. And Rubio of all people should realize this.

Of course, it might dilute the relative power that the Cuban community that supports him has, if you add a bunch of folks from across the spectrum of nations, and that is more the point. Cubans like the amnesty and expedited citizenship for themselves, and really dislike it for anyone else. It can mitigate the lobbying that they do in southern Florida, it will add voters who won't be looking to advance specifically Cuban American causes, and it will mean a dilution of economic favors that are done by and for the Cuban American community. And really, this is what the heels digging in is about. It's about the "right" folks having their path to citizenship expedited. It's about creating captive pools of voters, and not just hoping for gratitude. It's a very cynical way of looking at the issue, and while not terribly surprising, it boils down to knowing how to redistrict in the most favorable of fashions, and not upsetting the current trends, which are known and accounted for.

A bunch of new citizens? That's dangerous for folks who live and breathe by the statisticals...
 
2013-06-06 12:44:12 PM

DamnYankees: sammyk: DamnYankees: The House was never on board with this, ever. It's all been nonsense.

This. It's political suicide for most of them.

Well, that doesn't mean it can't pass. The question isn't whether the House GOP will vote for it, but whether or not they will let it come to the floor. It would pass with the Democratic votes. We just don't know if they'll let it come to the floor. That's what we should be reporting on.


Right, the question is does Boehner want to maintain the semblance of the illusion that he has any control whatsoever over his party, or does he want his party to have any chance of winning a national election in the next decade?

/the Hastert rule is stupid, especially when half your party think compromise is a four letter word.
 
2013-06-06 12:51:13 PM
2016 should be fun. 2020 too for that matter. By 2024 the GOP as we currently know it will not exist.

And that is a very good thing.
 
2013-06-06 01:06:52 PM

vernonFL: 2016 should be fun. 2020 too for that matter. By 2024 the GOP as we currently know it will not exist.

And that is a very good thing.


They do seem determined to implode.
 
2013-06-06 01:22:35 PM
The GOP is caught in a political death spiral and they can't seem to pull themselves out of it. At this point...good riddance. The Democrats can split into the Democratic Party and the Blue Dogs. Or maybe the Democrats can be the conservative party and the Greens will rise to be the less conservative party.
 
2013-06-06 01:44:50 PM
Party before country - always.
 
2013-06-06 01:49:05 PM

lilbjorn: Party before country - always.


Maybe they don't feel this bill is in the best interest of the country.
 
2013-06-06 01:50:09 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Nearly the entire House GOP just voted to deport the Dreamers, a position to the right of Romney. Is Self-Deportation still the GOP plan?- Dan Pfeiffer (@pfeiffer44) June 6, 2013


Is there a chance for either (a) a Dem victory in the House in 2014 or (b) moderate Republicans winning primaries over Tea-Partiers and wresting control of the GOP away from the crazies in 2014?

Methinks, sadly, that gerrymandered districts will prevent a (D) victory in the majority of House seats held by the GOP and that option (b) was a trick question: the three remaining moderates in the GOP don't stand a chance against the tsunami shiat storm of derp that has been unleashed.

/we're boned
 
2013-06-06 01:50:51 PM

vernonFL: 2016 should be fun. 2020 too for that matter. By 2024 the GOP as we currently know it will not exist.

And that is a very good thing.


The Whig Party can always use a dance partner in the political dustbin of history.
 
2013-06-06 01:51:00 PM

DeArmondVI: Is there a chance for either (a) a Dem victory in the House in 2014 or (b) moderate Republicans winning primaries over Tea-Partiers and wresting control of the GOP away from the crazies in 2014?


No to each.
 
2013-06-06 01:51:32 PM
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2013-06-06 01:55:34 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's as if they know the fickle, rock-stupid teahadists will screech "You done viorlateded the amendment where nonea them there people darker than the stock on Paw's Remington can march in the Grange Hall Flag Day parade! We's gonna primary you!"


Tea Partiers?  When did they get involved in politics?  They're social welfare groups.
 
2013-06-06 01:56:15 PM

Lando Lincoln: Did anybody actually believe that the GOP was going to do it? Really?

Maybe they'd go along with it if they inserted some extra language into the law, like, "white people are legally allowed to spit on any Mexican-looking person they see" or something like that.


Even IF they had passed it, they'd have had to go three more years without referring to them as "sub-human," "parasites," "drains on the system," "lazy," or any of their other favorite adjectives. This is quicker. And more honest.
 
2013-06-06 01:56:47 PM

DeArmondVI: Dusk-You-n-Me: Nearly the entire House GOP just voted to deport the Dreamers, a position to the right of Romney. Is Self-Deportation still the GOP plan?- Dan Pfeiffer (@pfeiffer44) June 6, 2013

Is there a chance for either (a) a Dem victory in the House in 2014 or (b) moderate Republicans winning primaries over Tea-Partiers and wresting control of the GOP away from the crazies in 2014?

Methinks, sadly, that gerrymandered districts will prevent a (D) victory in the majority of House seats held by the GOP and that option (b) was a trick question: the three remaining moderates in the GOP don't stand a chance against the tsunami shiat storm of derp that has been unleashed.

/we're boned


The house is so badly gerrymandered that total democrat votes were one million more than total republican votes. Which resulted in there being 49 more republicans than democrats in the house.

It's an anti democratic disgrace.
 
2013-06-06 01:59:00 PM
sorry 49 was the last congress it's 32 now

which is still ridiculous.
 
2013-06-06 02:00:34 PM
GOP political strategy: "If Obama's for it, we're against it."
 
2013-06-06 02:01:43 PM
Because the illegal infiltrator vote has won every election since..never. But look at how great it's working in Europe.
 
2013-06-06 02:02:48 PM
They are between a rock and a derp place on this issue. Voting for a bill like this will just increase turnout for democrats, nobody is going to look at it passing and say "ya those republicans are helping minorities" , they will look at it and say "democrats won, they got it passed!"
 
2013-06-06 02:03:53 PM

1derful: Because the illegal infiltrator vote has won every election since..never. But look at how great it's working in Europe.


Exactly. Immigration is a non-issue. If it was an issue Romney never would have won! Duh!
 
2013-06-06 02:06:36 PM

Old enough to know better: GOP political strategery: "If'n Obama's fer it, we're agin' it."


ftfy
 
2013-06-06 02:07:44 PM
If we could just get a bill that gets rid of the insanity of the current quota system and comes up with a way to get currently illeogal people to be able to get some green card type status, pay taxes, and report crimes without fear of deportation - but leaves them no path to citizenship - then I'd call it a huge improvement. There should also be a clause that non-citizens don't get any direct federal benefits.

Immigration should be as simple as:
1) Are you a dangerous criminal?
2) Do you have any communicable diseases?
3) Can you afford to cover the cost of us verifying the first two answers are no?

I'd also have no problem with:
4) Do you have 6 months of living expenses or a firm job offer?
 
2013-06-06 02:12:37 PM

BMFPitt: Immigration should be as simple as:
1) Are you a dangerous criminal?
2) Do you have any communicable diseases?
3) Can you afford to cover the cost of us verifying the first two answers are no?

I'd also have no problem with:
4) Do you have 6 months of living expenses or a firm job offer?


Right that will be popular because the unemployment rate here is so low.
 
2013-06-06 02:12:45 PM

vernonFL: 2016 should be fun. 2020 too for that matter. By 2024 the GOP as we currently know it will not exist.

And that is a very good thing.


I recall sitting back in 2003 and thinking to myself, "We're finally hearing evidence that the War in Iraq was based on a lie. Bush's lies about his military service are coming to light. People are asking questions about what the adinistration knew about 9/11. The Republicans are dead."

Know what happened? Americans voted to keep Bush in office so that we'd be "safe". Yeah, the Bush who was President during 9/11.

Then, in 2008 I thought, "we're finally feeling the effects of Republican's trickle-down economics. Everyone agrees that Bush was the worst President in American history. Hell, Republicans won't even allow him to speak at the Primary. The War in Iraq is totally unpopular as all of the abuses and lies are coming into focus. The Republican party is dead."


Know what happened? Americans voted overwhelmingly for Republicans in 2010 because they thought Repulicans would STABILIZE THE ECONOMY WITH THEIR POLICIES. Yes, the same Republicans whose policies had created the very situation that they were in, just two years prior.

Don't assume that people pay as much attention to this stuff as you do. They do not. It will help you to cope with the disappointment when things don't go the way that logic says they should.
 
2013-06-06 02:12:53 PM

CPennypacker: 1derful: Because the illegal infiltrator vote has won every election since..never. But look at how great it's working in Europe.

Exactly. Immigration is a non-issue. If it was an issue Romney never would have won! Duh!


Romney lost because he was Romney.

If immigration were the issue, the guy who forcibly deported 1.4 million illegal immigrants at the time of the election would have gotten trounced by the guy who deported 0 and whose answer to illegal immigration was to ask infiltrators to self-deport.

But don't let facts retard your sarcasm, you do a great job of that on your own.
 
2013-06-06 02:13:54 PM

BMFPitt: If we could just get a bill that gets rid of the insanity of the current quota system and comes up with a way to get currently illeogal people to be able to get some green card type status, pay taxes, and report crimes without fear of deportation - but leaves them no path to citizenship - then I'd call it a huge improvement. There should also be a clause that non-citizens don't get any direct federal benefits.

Immigration should be as simple as:
1) Are you a dangerous criminal?
2) Do you have any communicable diseases?
3) Can you afford to cover the cost of us verifying the first two answers are no?

I'd also have no problem with:
4) Do you have 6 months of living expenses or a firm job offer?


Uhh, taxation without representation is your plan, is it?
 
2013-06-06 02:15:16 PM

1derful: CPennypacker: 1derful: Because the illegal infiltrator vote has won every election since..never. But look at how great it's working in Europe.

Exactly. Immigration is a non-issue. If it was an issue Romney never would have won! Duh!

Romney lost because he was Romney.

If immigration were the issue, the guy who forcibly deported 1.4 million illegal immigrants at the time of the election would have gotten trounced by the guy who deported 0 and whose answer to illegal immigration was to ask infiltrators to self-deport.

But don't let facts retard your sarcasm, you do a great job of that on your own.


Must have been that taco Obama ate on election night, then. I hear that's a great way to show your support for the latino community.

www.pewhispanic.org
 
2013-06-06 02:15:37 PM

BMFPitt: If we could just get a bill that gets rid of the insanity of the current quota system and comes up with a way to get currently illeogal people to be able to get some green card type status, pay taxes, and report crimes without fear of deportation - but leaves them no path to citizenship - then I'd call it a huge improvement.


Don't talk sense. We don't know how to respond to it.
 
2013-06-06 02:17:51 PM

DamnYankees: The House was never on board with this, ever. It's all been nonsense.


Yup.  Of course, their electoral map doesn't look so promising if they insist on fighting this particular battle:

i610.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-06 02:20:02 PM

Lexx: BMFPitt: If we could just get a bill that gets rid of the insanity of the current quota system and comes up with a way to get currently illeogal people to be able to get some green card type status, pay taxes, and report crimes without fear of deportation - but leaves them no path to citizenship - then I'd call it a huge improvement. There should also be a clause that non-citizens don't get any direct federal benefits.

Immigration should be as simple as:
1) Are you a dangerous criminal?
2) Do you have any communicable diseases?
3) Can you afford to cover the cost of us verifying the first two answers are no?

I'd also have no problem with:
4) Do you have 6 months of living expenses or a firm job offer?

Uhh, taxation without representation is your plan, is it?


No, he also includes letting people die lingering, painful deaths from curable illness or starvation if they aren't citizens.
 
2013-06-06 02:20:59 PM

DrewCurtisJr: lilbjorn: Party before country - always.

Maybe they don't feel this bill is in the best interest of the country.


Wait a minute....Congress is supposed to do things that are in the best interests of the country? Since when?
 
2013-06-06 02:23:17 PM
Anyone who makes "securing the border" their essential first step is not serious about ever getting to step two.
 
2013-06-06 02:24:17 PM

Old enough to know better: GOP political strategy: "If Obama's for it, we're against it."


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/credit: clkeagle
 
2013-06-06 02:27:13 PM
To be fair, no one should be surprised by this, and not for the 'oh republicans are racist' reasons. Most of the house seats republicans control are in small, white districts where Immigration means nothing outside of 'foreigners are coming to take our jobs.' So while, on a national scale, voting for immigration would be good for the party, on a local level, the level that dictates whether or not all these people have jobs in a year...

It's not good politics.

/They should vote for it anyway.
//But that would imply they were patriots who would put their country first so they won't.
///slashes!
 
2013-06-06 02:32:51 PM
CPennypacker:

Must have been that taco Obama ate on election night, then. I hear that's a great way to show your support for the latino community.


First off, there is a huge difference between hispanics/latinos citizens in the U.S. and illegal immigrants. It's pretty prejudiced of you to assume that they're analogous. But since you're coming form the left, you get your pass.

Yes, latino voters supported Obama 3 to 1 over Romney. But Mark Lopez and Ana Gonzalez-Barrera's polling indicates, illegal immigration laws were at the bottom of the list on concerns of latino voters.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/10/11/latino-voters-support-obama-by -3 -1-ratio-but-are-less-certain-than-others-about-voting/

They pretty much care about what other Americans care about like jobs, health care, education, and the federal deficit.

Illegal immigration is not on the foremost on latino voters' minds, and that probably has something to do with the fact that they're citizens and not illegals, and that the notion that the two groups are married ideologically happen to be race-baiting hacks working strategy for the DNC.
 
2013-06-06 02:33:40 PM
Having only read about the implosion of political parties in history books, but having not seen one in my lifetime, I find it hard to believe that this is really happening. There has to be a catch. Is the Republican party really putting itself out of business? Bring back the Whigs, I guess.

I can only hope that if this goes down and the Republicans die, the Democrats slide into the "conservative" spot and stay in the center where they are, and maybe a more leftward party that understands how and where socialist policy can be used to positive effect in our country (health care and oil, I am looking at both of you) becomes the new party for liberals.
 
2013-06-06 02:36:13 PM
Th last part of my last sentence should have read "and that the notion that the two groups are married ideologically happens to only come from race-baiting hacks working strategy for the DNC"
 
2013-06-06 02:38:41 PM

DamnYankees: The House was never on board with this, ever. It's all been nonsense.


They literally hate brown people so much that they're willing to throw away any shot of being relevant for the next 30 years. It's hysterical.
 
2013-06-06 02:40:26 PM

1derful: CPennypacker:

Must have been that taco Obama ate on election night, then. I hear that's a great way to show your support for the latino community.


First off, there is a huge difference between hispanics/latinos citizens in the U.S. and illegal immigrants. It's pretty prejudiced of you to assume that they're analogous. But since you're coming form the left, you get your pass.

Yes, latino voters supported Obama 3 to 1 over Romney. But Mark Lopez and Ana Gonzalez-Barrera's polling indicates, illegal immigration laws were at the bottom of the list on concerns of latino voters.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/10/11/latino-voters-support-obama-by -3 -1-ratio-but-are-less-certain-than-others-about-voting/

They pretty much care about what other Americans care about like jobs, health care, education, and the federal deficit.

Illegal immigration is not on the foremost on latino voters' minds, and that probably has something to do with the fact that they're citizens and not illegals, and that the notion that the two groups are married ideologically happen to be race-baiting hacks working strategy for the DNC.


34% of them considered it "extremely important" according to your link. You're smoking some serious peyote if you don't think latinos care about immigration. Maybe they are citizens but they have family and friends. How likely are you to vote for a party that shiats all over your family and friends?
 
2013-06-06 02:40:41 PM
Has any Republican anywhere ever defined what "secure the border" actually means?  Or is it just a nebulous term that means anything from "add more border patrols" to "build a 300ft high wall"?

Because they use that phrase a lot, but I've never seen them actually say what they want done.  Then again, that's par for the Republican course.  (We have to reduce the deficit!  Ok, how?  *crickets*)
 
2013-06-06 02:41:37 PM

chimp_ninja: DamnYankees: The House was never on board with this, ever. It's all been nonsense.

Yup.  Of course, their electoral map doesn't look so promising if they insist on fighting this particular battle:

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That's still 10-15 years down the road, in political terms that means they can ignore it for another 8-10 years before it actually starts swinging the gerrymandered districts.
 
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