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(Live Science)   Study finds that the Northern American hemlock forests are being threatened by an overpopulation of deer whose pee makes the soil too nitrogen-rich for the trees to grow. Gee, if only there was an easy, and tasty, solution to this problem   (livescience.com ) divider line
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2013-06-06 10:58:46 AM  
I'm not sure how bacon will help.
 
2013-06-06 11:07:56 AM  
I drank what?
 
2013-06-06 11:10:14 AM  
"Great timing, jerks."
 
2013-06-06 11:11:22 AM  
Razzn' frazzn' messed up pic preview....

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"Great timing, jerks."
 
2013-06-06 12:00:24 PM  
Gee, if only there was an easy, and tasty, solution to this problem

Planting corn?
 
2013-06-06 12:19:46 PM  
Deer pee aqueducts.
 
2013-06-06 12:48:13 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Razzn' frazzn' messed up pic preview....

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"Great timing, jerks."




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Loves me some David.
 
2013-06-06 12:50:54 PM  

grokca: I'm not sure how bacon will help.


How to make venison bacon
 
2013-06-06 12:52:15 PM  
Not to mention more deer antler spray. Now with more urine!
 
2013-06-06 12:53:10 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: DjangoStonereaver: Razzn' frazzn' messed up pic preview....

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"Great timing, jerks."

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Loves me some David.


18th century double facepalm! (to the right of Socrates' elbow)

/I also detect a 'son I am dissapoint'
 
2013-06-06 12:53:12 PM  
I don't know how easy bottling deer urine would be. I don't know how tasty bottled deer urine would be, either.
 
2013-06-06 12:53:31 PM  
The deer over-population is hurting most northern forest types.  Especially oak-hickory and boreal types.  I say open season all year long on the damn wood rats.
 
2013-06-06 12:55:54 PM  
I remember when the WV DNR did a thermal scan near Snowshoe, WV about two decades ago. They were given the impression by a bunch of activist groups that the populations had dwindled in Pocahontas County due to an expansion of facilities at the resort and were concerned. They shelled out for a nice high-altitude flyover at night with a high resolution thermal camera and what they found was that the population hadn't been "cut in half" as the various groups had proclaimed, but had actually quadrupled. When they flew over the golf course, it was a solid mass of deer grazing on the fairways.

In essence, deer are like rabbits but bigger. They're cute and all, but the moment they get near a reliable food source their population explodes and you wind up having to take drastic measures to protect your property from their ravages. The difference is that I can take care of the rabbits with little to no noise. The deer on the other hand, take a noisier round.
 
2013-06-06 12:57:31 PM  
A deer cull would be awesome. Use the meat and tan the hides (Makes awesome leather and suede products). Sell the deerskin jackets and meat and use the money to replant hemlock trees! Wait.... Hemlock.... that ugly spruce wannabe. Screw that. Plant something useful in it's place like White Pine or Oak.
 
2013-06-06 12:58:23 PM  
The North American Hemlock is in the process of being completely obliterated by the woolly adelgid. I mean, yeah, deer piss probably isn't  good for them, but as problems go it sounds like broken deck chairs on the  Titanic.
 
2013-06-06 01:00:48 PM  

tallen702: I remember when the WV DNR did a thermal scan near Snowshoe, WV about two decades ago. They were given the impression by a bunch of activist groups that the populations had dwindled in Pocahontas County due to an expansion of facilities at the resort and were concerned. They shelled out for a nice high-altitude flyover at night with a high resolution thermal camera and what they found was that the population hadn't been "cut in half" as the various groups had proclaimed, but had actually quadrupled. When they flew over the golf course, it was a solid mass of deer grazing on the fairways.

In essence, deer are like rabbits but bigger. They're cute and all, but the moment they get near a reliable food source their population explodes and you wind up having to take drastic measures to protect your property from their ravages. The difference is that I can take care of the rabbits with little to no noise. The deer on the other hand, take a noisier round.


Or a few wolves.....I'm good with either one...Always wanted to hear the howl of hunting pack on Weather Mountain again...
 
2013-06-06 01:02:39 PM  
After what they have done to my garden, every single tree I have planted, and every single flower planting (including roses), I say KILL'M ALL.
 
2013-06-06 01:07:32 PM  

tallen702: I remember when the WV DNR did a thermal scan near Snowshoe, WV about two decades ago. They were given the impression by a bunch of activist groups that the populations had dwindled in Pocahontas County due to an expansion of facilities at the resort and were concerned. They shelled out for a nice high-altitude flyover at night with a high resolution thermal camera and what they found was that the population hadn't been "cut in half" as the various groups had proclaimed, but had actually quadrupled. When they flew over the golf course, it was a solid mass of deer grazing on the fairways.

In essence, deer are like rabbits but bigger. They're cute and all, but the moment they get near a reliable food source their population explodes and you wind up having to take drastic measures to protect your property from their ravages. The difference is that I can take care of the rabbits with little to no noise. The deer on the other hand, take a noisier round.


What's even stupider is that without predation to keep their numbers in check, sooner or later the deer population will rise to the point that they start dying of hunger and malnutrition having stripped everything edible in their habitat range. That takes longer to reach in areas that have a year round growing season as opposed to a real winter, but it's seriously destructive to the local ecosystem. In extremis they even strip the bark off trees, not to mention all the new growth.

It's particularly bad here in Quebec. Prior to the expansion of human settlements, Quebec was all moose country. But human habitation replaced a lot of old growth forest with new scrub brush and saplings (which moose dislike) and drove out the predators like wolves and cougars. So the deer moved north. In the winter they engage in a behaviour called "yarding" where they all congregate in a limited area and keep the snow trampled down (it's otherwise so deep they get bogged down). Naturally they only browse on what's available in the yard area. Once that runs out, they have to use their stored fat reserves. So if that food supply runs out too early because there are too many deer, they all start to starve to death at the same time. In the middle of winter.

Seems to me that having a few deer die quickly from being shot by hunters (who paid for the privilege, no less), is a lot more humane than allowing entire herds of deer to die slowly of exposure and starvation in the middle of winter, but apparently the local animal rights idjits don't see it that way. I've had them tell me to my face that as long as humans aren't getting their hands dirty directly (never mind that we created the habitat they are exploiting in the first place), mass animal suffering is apparently all good, because it represents "nature taking its course".

/facepalm
//Unethical morons, the lot of them.
 
2013-06-06 01:07:38 PM  
The natural approach would be to reintroduce some wolves, but we can't do that even in Yellowstone without shrieks of anguish from local ranchers and residents who fear that the Big Bad Wolf will eat their kids. And of course they are shooting wolves from planes in Alaska because it absolutely must be the wolves and not the guys on snowmachines with rifles that are pulling down the caribou and moose populations.
 
2013-06-06 01:11:02 PM  

Strega: The natural approach would be to reintroduce some wolves, but we can't do that even in Yellowstone without shrieks of anguish from local ranchers and residents who fear that the Big Bad Wolf will eat their kids. And of course they are shooting wolves from planes in Alaska because it absolutely must be the wolves and not the guys on snowmachines with rifles that are pulling down the caribou and moose populations.


It's often not possible to reintroduce wolves in a way that would control deer populations. Again going by here in Quebec, in rural areas deer literally wander into people's backyards and eat the shrubs, often within the actual townships, not just out in the countryside proper. Wolves never willingly come that close to human habitation, all the ones that would have done so got killed a long time ago.
 
2013-06-06 01:11:29 PM  
Between the frankenfish thread and this one, I'm starting to think we can just eat all of our problems.
 
2013-06-06 01:15:15 PM  

Hot Lunch: Between the frankenfish thread and this one, I'm starting to think we can just eat all of our problems.


I am all for eating invasive species and overpopulated game animals, especially if we can lightly regulate it by selling hunting and fishing licences in order to make sure people have some idea what they are doing. It's one of the few cases where everybody wins except the ideological idiots, even the species being hunted and fished.
 
2013-06-06 01:16:54 PM  

Hot Lunch: Between the frankenfish thread and this one, I'm starting to think we can just eat all of our problems.


Mmmm..problems...

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2013-06-06 01:17:12 PM  
Why would you wan't to drink deer pee?
 
2013-06-06 01:40:13 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: "Great timing, jerks."


How to recognize different Hemlocks from quite a long way away:

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Conium maculatum (poison hemlock)


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Tsuga canadensis (eastern hemlock)


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2013-06-06 01:47:29 PM  
Kill them.
Eat them.
Problem solved.

Liberals complain?
Kill and eat the deer in front of the liberals.
 
2013-06-06 01:53:05 PM  
i've been doing my part!

/need to get some new gear while its summer and cold weather stuff is cheap
 
2013-06-06 02:17:03 PM  

Silly_Sot: Kill them.
Eat them.
Problem solved.

Liberals complain?
Kill and eat the deer in front of the liberals.


Most liberals (i.e. the ones who have an interest in actual conservation rather than extreme animal rights ideology) aren't even going to blink at this. Unlike the right, we are often just as suspicious and skeptical of our fringe cooks as the rest of the world is.
 
2013-06-06 02:46:21 PM  
Weird. I would never expect urine to be a main supply of n in the forests. Almost all the n around here comes from dead salmon every fall. Lots of hemlock around the water too.
 
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2013-06-06 02:51:20 PM  
In metro Boston even bleeding heart liberals* are starting to get sick of deer. Turns out an arrow to the knee** kills them without scary guns going off.

*What's the 2013 substitute for bleeding heart liberals, anyway? Seems an archaic term but I don't know the right replacement.

** Or heart. Whatever.
 
2013-06-06 02:56:19 PM  
The problem isn't too many deer. The problem is too many people, forcing the deer into concentrate into areas that weren't built (grown) for a concentration of them.  Hunt the people, problem solved.
 
2013-06-06 03:08:20 PM  

LL316: The problem isn't too many deer. The problem is too many people, forcing the deer into concentrate into areas that weren't built (grown) for a concentration of them.  Hunt the people, problem solved.


Hahaha no. Deer populations have exploded because humans actually create habitat for them. Deer like the edges of human territory because we cut down old growth forests (which have little or no browse for deer) and create areas of young forest, brush and ground plants (logged over forest land, fallow fields, hedges, gardens, etc.) that provide good browse for deer, and simultaneously chase away all the predators.

In short, we feed them and protect them by accident just by doing what we do, and the deer take advantage of that. That's why hunting is always going to be necessary. You can't reintroduce wolves into small rural farming communities, and even if you did, the wolves would just flee the area. Meanwhile, the deer will happily eat your gardens and hedges.
 
2013-06-06 03:54:29 PM  

KiltedBastich: LL316: The problem isn't too many deer. The problem is too many people, forcing the deer into concentrate into areas that weren't built (grown) for a concentration of them.  Hunt the people, problem solved.

Hahaha no. Deer populations have exploded because humans actually create habitat for them. Deer like the edges of human territory because we cut down old growth forests (which have little or no browse for deer) and create areas of young forest, brush and ground plants (logged over forest land, fallow fields, hedges, gardens, etc.) that provide good browse for deer, and simultaneously chase away all the predators.

In short, we feed them and protect them by accident just by doing what we do, and the deer take advantage of that. That's why hunting is always going to be necessary. You can't reintroduce wolves into small rural farming communities, and even if you did, the wolves would just flee the area. Meanwhile, the deer will happily eat your gardens and hedges.


This.
These are prey animals. They evolved around the fact that most will die from being eaten.
If they aren't taken by predatory animals then humans have to step in and cull the numbers, otherwise their survival method ofbreeding quicklywill ruin their environment.

/Dropping from a .308 to the heart is a far kinder fate than being torn apart by wolves or dying from exposure and starvation.
 
2013-06-06 04:51:59 PM  

way south: KiltedBastich: LL316: The problem isn't too many deer. The problem is too many people, forcing the deer into concentrate into areas that weren't built (grown) for a concentration of them.  Hunt the people, problem solved.

Hahaha no. Deer populations have exploded because humans actually create habitat for them. Deer like the edges of human territory because we cut down old growth forests (which have little or no browse for deer) and create areas of young forest, brush and ground plants (logged over forest land, fallow fields, hedges, gardens, etc.) that provide good browse for deer, and simultaneously chase away all the predators.

In short, we feed them and protect them by accident just by doing what we do, and the deer take advantage of that. That's why hunting is always going to be necessary. You can't reintroduce wolves into small rural farming communities, and even if you did, the wolves would just flee the area. Meanwhile, the deer will happily eat your gardens and hedges.

This.
These are prey animals. They evolved around the fact that most will die from being eaten.
If they aren't taken by predatory animals then humans have to step in and cull the numbers, otherwise their survival method ofbreeding quicklywill ruin their environment.

/Dropping from a .308 to the heart is a far kinder fate than being torn apart by wolves or dying from exposure and starvation.


You won't be able to sell the meat, though. FDA does not like wild animal meat being sold. And not even the most hillbilly of hillbillies is going to keep twenty deer or so in his freezer.

So if there is mass culling, most of the animals are likely going to be burned or buried or something.
 
2013-06-06 05:15:01 PM  

semiotix: The North American Hemlock is in the process of being completely obliterated by the woolly adelgid. I mean, yeah, deer piss probably isn't  good for them, but as problems go it sounds like broken deck chairs on the  Titanic.


Came here to say this, got beat to the punch.
 
2013-06-06 05:33:26 PM  

KiltedBastich: Hot Lunch: Between the frankenfish thread and this one, I'm starting to think we can just eat all of our problems.

I am all for eating invasive species and overpopulated game animals, especially if we can lightly regulate it by selling hunting and fishing licences in order to make sure people have some idea what they are doing. It's one of the few cases where everybody wins except the ideological idiots, even the species being hunted and fished.


A friend of my family owns a "wildlife management" (read: population control) area in Alabama.  Part of the deal is that he has to take certain measurements, like size and weight, from each deer killed.  Over the past 20 years or so that we've been hunting there, the population has grown noticeably healthier.

\Except for, you know, the ones that are dead...
 
2013-06-06 06:56:10 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: way south: KiltedBastich: LL316: The problem isn't too many deer. The problem is too many people, forcing the deer into concentrate into areas that weren't built (grown) for a concentration of them.  Hunt the people, problem solved.

Hahaha no. Deer populations have exploded because humans actually create habitat for them. Deer like the edges of human territory because we cut down old growth forests (which have little or no browse for deer) and create areas of young forest, brush and ground plants (logged over forest land, fallow fields, hedges, gardens, etc.) that provide good browse for deer, and simultaneously chase away all the predators.

In short, we feed them and protect them by accident just by doing what we do, and the deer take advantage of that. That's why hunting is always going to be necessary. You can't reintroduce wolves into small rural farming communities, and even if you did, the wolves would just flee the area. Meanwhile, the deer will happily eat your gardens and hedges.

This.
These are prey animals. They evolved around the fact that most will die from being eaten.
If they aren't taken by predatory animals then humans have to step in and cull the numbers, otherwise their survival method ofbreeding quicklywill ruin their environment.

/Dropping from a .308 to the heart is a far kinder fate than being torn apart by wolves or dying from exposure and starvation.

You won't be able to sell the meat, though. FDA does not like wild animal meat being sold. And not even the most hillbilly of hillbillies is going to keep twenty deer or so in his freezer.

So if there is mass culling, most of the animals are likely going to be burned or buried or something.




Or, dump her.
 
2013-06-06 08:25:36 PM  

KiltedBastich: You can't reintroduce wolves into small rural farming communities, and even if you did, the wolves would just flee the area.


Then, by God, we'll chain the wolves up! One every fifty feet or so. THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, GODDAMMIT!
 
2013-06-06 08:43:42 PM  

a_room_with_a_moose: semiotix: The North American Hemlock is in the process of being completely obliterated by the woolly adelgid. I mean, yeah, deer piss probably isn't  good for them, but as problems go it sounds like broken deck chairs on the  Titanic.

Came here to say this, got beat to the punch.


Yup, me too.  Some incredible old growth hemlock stands I used to frequent in central PA, with several hundred year old trees, have started to drop their needles and turn brown in just the past few years.  Very sad to see.
 
2013-06-06 09:07:15 PM  

semiotix: KiltedBastich: You can't reintroduce wolves into small rural farming communities, and even if you did, the wolves would just flee the area.

Then, by God, we'll chain the wolves up! One every fifty feet or so. THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, GODDAMMIT!


/backs away slowly....
 
2013-06-06 09:33:32 PM  

LL316: The problem isn't too many deer. The problem is too many people, forcing the deer into concentrate into areas that weren't built (grown) for a concentration of them.  Hunt the people, problem solved.


It doesn't seem to be working in Chicago.  People breed faster than guns.
 
2013-06-07 12:01:46 AM  
They're threatened even more by all the guys with chainsaws.
 
2013-06-07 01:29:51 AM  
The Larch. The. ..... Larch.

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2013-06-07 02:14:27 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: You won't be able to sell the meat, though. FDA does not like wild animal meat being sold. And not even the most hillbilly of hillbillies is going to keep twenty deer or so in his freezer.

So if there is mass culling, most of the animals are likely going to be burned or buried or something.


I dunno about where you're at, but here there's plenty of local meat shops that will process a deer for a lazy hunter that doesn't want to do all the work to cut up a deer, and they'll often ask for a small amount of the meat as payment for it. You won't see deer burger, venison steaks and venison sausage at the local supermarket, but you can often pick some up at these local meat shops.
 
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