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2013-06-06 10:13:39 AM
I'm ThatGuyGreg, and I approve this message.

/not subby
 
2013-06-06 10:39:50 AM
You could actually use that as a real training video.
 
2013-06-06 10:43:53 AM
Sometimes I feel like everybody under 30 needs to be turned into soylent green and we use all the remaining adults of breeding age to start over with a new generation.
 
2013-06-06 10:46:27 AM
It works with late-stage Gen-Ys as well. If I had a nickel every time I had to deal with Situation 3 and Situation 4...

Particularly Situation 3. "I'm sorry, but 'meets expectations' means you're doing an average job, not an exceptional job. You get a 3.0. Deal with it."
 
2013-06-06 10:46:59 AM
This is actually quite spot on with how they act. I had a dude that was late every single day, no matter what his start time was, he was always 30 minutes late. My boss prevented me from firing him, After 6 months he threw a holy terror fit at the office because he hadn't been promoted.
 
2013-06-06 10:48:24 AM

PIP_the_TROLL: Sometimes I feel like everybody under 30 needs to be turned into soylent green and we use all the remaining adults of breeding age to start over with a new generation.


Not a chance. Remember, it's not just the current generation, but the prior generation as well that's at fault here. All you're doing is letting them recreate the problem, but now with more homeschooling and even worse "helicopter parents."

Better to use an adaptive eugenics program, in which suitability is determined by standardized testing, and breeding licenses are issued - that way, we can not only destroy the illegal spawn, but fine or arrest the parents as well.
 
2013-06-06 10:49:33 AM

HST's Dead Carcass: This is actually quite spot on with how they act. I had a dude that was late every single day, no matter what his start time was, he was always 30 minutes late. My boss prevented me from firing him, After 6 months he threw a holy terror fit at the office because he hadn't been promoted.


Yep. I've seen that myself. "I'm not a part of your system, maaaaaan. Now pay me."
 
2013-06-06 10:58:05 AM

FormlessOne: HST's Dead Carcass: This is actually quite spot on with how they act. I had a dude that was late every single day, no matter what his start time was, he was always 30 minutes late. My boss prevented me from firing him, After 6 months he threw a holy terror fit at the office because he hadn't been promoted.

Yep. I've seen that myself. "I'm not a part of your system, maaaaaan. Now pay me."


My SIL worked with an early 20-something and a promotion came available but it went to someone else. This girl freaked out and demanded she get the promotion even though she had only been there a couple months. When my SIL asked her why she thought she should get it she replied, "I show up on time and get my work done."


NO shiat?!?! YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO!

She quit a couple weeks later.

/anyway, just one story, not a big fan of broad brushes but i wanted to share.
 
2013-06-06 10:59:17 AM
Thankfully my division is a little geriatric.  We don't have many under 30.  The ones that are can be a huge pain in the ass.
 
2013-06-06 11:01:43 AM

busy chillin': /anyway, just one story, not a big fan of broad brushes but i wanted to share.


I understand what you're saying, but for this these Millennials, it fits. Truthfully this is more the common thread than not. It sucks, but it's true.
 
2013-06-06 11:05:24 AM
I have rented to people in their twenties. They act the same way when they rent. I have actually had to throw people out, keep deposits and get paid damages because one person didn't vacuum the carpet for six months and set the kitchen on fire. When confronted they got an attitude like I was the one inconveniencing them. They don't think about their neighbors. They complain and ask for freebies and discounts even while paying rent late. Only two people have followed their lease agreement as agreed. Only one accepted responsibility when he screwed up instead of making excuses why it should be alright. I won't rent to someone under thirty anymore. Even people in their thirties have dysfunctional, narcissistic attitudes. It's scary to think about those people having influence to any degree.
 
2013-06-06 11:09:38 AM
I think the issue is mainly that the millennials actually believe they are smarter than you.  In very rare cases, yes, it's true.  But that doesn't mean you can't learn from someone.  When I first started in IT, back in 1997, I was in my 20's, and thought I knew everything.  However, I always respected and chose to learn from the people who had been doing it longer than me.  I think this is the main difference.  Age has made me realize that it's folly to believe you're smarter than everyone.

Well, then, there's the whole part that I wasn't treated as a snowflake my whole life, and learned to earn what I got.
 
2013-06-06 11:26:36 AM
Another CSB:

Want promotions?  Be hungry.
I assume you'll never hear the likes of this from a millennial, and this is how I made myself stand out, and got a lot of experience...

Big project coming up?  After hours work?  Go to your boss, or the person running the project, and just say:
"I know that project X is coming up, and I'd like to be a part of it.  I know that it may not be exactly what my job is, but I'd like to learn.  Can I be involved?  Even just as an observer or an extra set of hands?  I assure you I will not be in the way, or cause a problem, I'd just like the experience and I will not let it interfere with my other responsibilities"  One you get the OK, go with it.  Observe, learn, assist.
 
2013-06-06 11:41:24 AM

tripleseven: I think the issue is mainly that the millennials actually believe they are smarter than you.  In very rare cases, yes, it's true.  But that doesn't mean you can't learn from someone.  When I first started in IT, back in 1997, I was in my 20's, and thought I knew everything.  However, I always respected and chose to learn from the people who had been doing it longer than me.  I think this is the main difference.  Age has made me realize that it's folly to believe you're smarter than everyone.



That.  I run into this constantly in the IT world.  Similarly, there's the attitude that whatever they are doing is awesome and takes uber skill.  That can be a problem with IT people at my client sites as such a belief leads one to think that they *know* what good programming is.  Good programming is subjective and situational.

In any case, I think what you describe comes from not understanding (or caring about) levels of respect, mutual respect, and courtesy.  But I see that in many people, not just millennials.
 
2013-06-06 11:46:08 AM
I had a job yesterday cleaning up some work a recent college graduate did. First job out of college, super easy, just installing 4 servers. Now, he got them installed, no problem, he just didn't hook them up to anything, like peripherals or network, then, never took pictures of the completed job, and on top of it all, left a mess of empty boxes and packing materials at the site. As the final F you, he never let the site know he was leaving, they just looked around and he was gone, no phone calls, no personal contact, nothing, just "I'm done, time to go home."

It took me about 3.5 hours to get it all straightened out because he had no notes and going off the original instructions, what he did hook up was all wrong.
 
2013-06-06 12:02:01 PM

FormlessOne: Yep. I've seen that myself. "I'm not a part of your system, maaaaaan. Now pay me."


I'm not a millennial, but I can offer a bit of a justification for why there is such a self-centered focus.  Many of these kids grew up watching their parents and the parents of friends get laid off multiple times.  It's probably tough to expect the loyalty of the past from kids who saw how disposable most employees are to their employers these days.
 
2013-06-06 12:18:38 PM

Troy McClure: FormlessOne: Yep. I've seen that myself. "I'm not a part of your system, maaaaaan. Now pay me."

I'm not a millennial, but I can offer a bit of a justification for why there is such a self-centered focus.  Many of these kids grew up watching their parents and the parents of friends get laid off multiple times.  It's probably tough to expect the loyalty of the past from kids who saw how disposable most employees are to their employers these days.


While this is true, my loyalty lies with myself.  I'm doing work, so, my name is on it.  I will never let a shiatty job misrepresent me.  When my company sends me to a client, it is my face, my work that stands, not the companies.  Hate your company all you want, but have pride in your own work, or, find a company that rewards you, they still exist, it just may take some time to get there.
 
2013-06-06 12:52:43 PM

Troy McClure: but I can offer a bit of a justification for why there is such a self-centered focus


Don't bother. I ain't buyin' what you're shoveling and I'll wager that no one else is either.
 
2013-06-06 12:56:16 PM
Holy hell, there's a lot of old man ranting going on in here.
 
2013-06-06 01:12:19 PM

tripleseven: Troy McClure: FormlessOne: Yep. I've seen that myself. "I'm not a part of your system, maaaaaan. Now pay me."

I'm not a millennial, but I can offer a bit of a justification for why there is such a self-centered focus.  Many of these kids grew up watching their parents and the parents of friends get laid off multiple times.  It's probably tough to expect the loyalty of the past from kids who saw how disposable most employees are to their employers these days.

While this is true, my loyalty lies with myself.  I'm doing work, so, my name is on it.  I will never let a shiatty job misrepresent me.  When my company sends me to a client, it is my face, my work that stands, not the companies.  Hate your company all you want, but have pride in your own work, or, find a company that rewards you, they still exist, it just may take some time to get there.


THIS

The current work environment may seem, at times, a scam, but it's no excuse to let yourself off the hook. Your drive is the only thing you have that cannot be taken away from you and people want to work with somebody doing something, making things happen.

Gaming the system=\=breaking the system.
 
2013-06-06 01:14:44 PM

Ender912: Holy hell, there's a lot of old man ranting going on in here.


I just got done yelling at some clouds, so I came here.

Anyways, on the converse, I do have a lot to say about my generation:

You are responsible for these millennials current state of affairs.  You raised them to believe what they do.
Also, you actually at some point will have to cede the reins to the younger generation.
Stop living as if you're perpetually in High School.
Stop with the desperate clutches for your youth ie. stop re-making shiat form the 80's and 90's, it embarrassing.
Grow old gracefully for farks sake.
 
2013-06-06 02:04:27 PM
Millenials were the obvious outcome once parents were no longer allowed to parent or schools allowed to school.  Mix that in with lawyers and psychologists and there was no other conclusion possible.
 
2013-06-06 02:34:11 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Troy McClure: but I can offer a bit of a justification for why there is such a self-centered focus

Don't bother. I ain't buyin' what you're shoveling and I'll wager that no one else is either.


Okay.  I guess just go back to feeling superior.
 
2013-06-06 02:44:59 PM

Troy McClure: Okay. I guess just go back to feeling superior.


Meh. Get a haircut and a job.
 
2013-06-06 02:47:02 PM
Generation T as I like to call the younger generation that spent their training on their cell phone, and complain that the job that expects them to deliver for being paid, just plain sucks.

Am I missing something about a job somewhere in which you can spend most of your day browsing the net, deliver minor results and get paid?
 
2013-06-06 03:18:54 PM
this is the direct result of participation trophies, if every kid learned from the start they arent special and won't rule the world maybe they'd be grounded in some kind of reality
 
2013-06-06 03:22:31 PM
Never before have so many expected so much for doing so little.
 
2013-06-06 03:38:28 PM
I'm on the cusp of being a millenial, I guess (29 in a month).  My last job, i was a manager and out of all the engineers I hired, there was one I regret and he was a 50+ old bastard that slept at his desk.  Every other engineer I hired was under 30 and hungry.  They got their work done, I watched out for them, and it worked out.

The only thing I miss was the paid overtime.  We were salaried, but got straight time overtime.  Now, with a different company (on the same contract vehicle), I'm pure salary.  I find it a lot harder to work past 40 hours now, but other than that, I have to say that this video doesn't apply to everyone in their 20s.
 
2013-06-06 03:48:23 PM
is this the thread where all the old people try to feel superior by talking down to the under 30 crowd?

/28 year old well educated professional
//I'm responsible for 22 employees at my white collar job
///I guess the boomers were just better
 
2013-06-06 03:48:35 PM
Where wolf:
" under 30 and hungry.  They got their work done"

Ummm...if you're "hungry," you get *more* than your work done. That's what "hungry" and "go-getter" means. "Getting your work done" is the same as showing up.

The only thing I miss was the paid overtime.  We were salaried, but got straight time overtime.  Now, with a different company (on the same contract vehicle), I'm pure salary.  I find it a lot harder to work past 40 hours now, but other than that, I have to say that this video doesn't apply to everyone in their 20s.

You got overtime on a salary in a managerial position? And now you can't work past 40 horus because nobody pays you?

Once again, you're just showing up,. Congrats, and collect your participation medal on the way out.
 
2013-06-06 03:50:40 PM

FormlessOne: It works with late-stage Gen-Ys as well. If I had a nickel every time I had to deal with Situation 3 and Situation 4...

Particularly Situation 3. "I'm sorry, but 'meets expectations' means you're doing an average job, not an exceptional job. You get a 3.0. Deal with it."


You're part of the problem. "Meets expectations" is a TWO point 0.

theframeproblem.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-06 03:52:57 PM

fatbear: FormlessOne: It works with late-stage Gen-Ys as well. If I had a nickel every time I had to deal with Situation 3 and Situation 4...

Particularly Situation 3. "I'm sorry, but 'meets expectations' means you're doing an average job, not an exceptional job. You get a 3.0. Deal with it."

You're part of the problem. "Meets expectations" is a TWO point 0.

[theframeproblem.files.wordpress.com image 400x322]


Every job I have had has a 4 point rating scale and "Meets" is a 3.
 
2013-06-06 04:13:56 PM

fatbear: Where wolf:
" under 30 and hungry.  They got their work done"

Ummm...if you're "hungry," you get *more* than your work done. That's what "hungry" and "go-getter" means. "Getting your work done" is the same as showing up.

The only thing I miss was the paid overtime.  We were salaried, but got straight time overtime.  Now, with a different company (on the same contract vehicle), I'm pure salary.  I find it a lot harder to work past 40 hours now, but other than that, I have to say that this video doesn't apply to everyone in their 20s.

You got overtime on a salary in a managerial position? And now you can't work past 40 horus because nobody pays you?

Once again, you're just showing up,. Congrats, and collect your participation medal on the way out.


No, I said find it harder. My work still gets done, including the extra work I do outside my job duties.

Or are you suggesting that the two jobs I'm doing now aren't sufficient? I'm completing double the taskings assigned, I'd prefer to get paid for picking up triple. I've spent my time doing 60/week on a flight line, out manned and out gunned.

You just sound mad that someone younger can do it better than you.
 
2013-06-06 04:25:12 PM

jst3p: Never before have so many expected so much for doing so little.



not since the generation before, anyway
The millennials may be lazy and naive, but so were the boomers...and who expected more than GenX?  The entire mood of GenX was whine & angst over a world that wasn't like they expected it to be.

At 33, working (in IT) with people older than Xers, i'd take the worst of XY combined over the know-it-all, immalleable, "there's only one right way, mine" bullshiat we have in our aging workforce now.
 
2013-06-06 04:40:53 PM
Where wolf:

You just sound mad that someone younger can do it better than you.

Nowhere in your original post did you say you did anything well. You made it all sound very...adequate.

Anyone who can do my job better than me is welcome to it.

I've spent my time doing 60/week

biatching starts at 80 hrs/week.
 
2013-06-06 04:49:51 PM

jst3p: fatbear: FormlessOne: It works with late-stage Gen-Ys as well. If I had a nickel every time I had to deal with Situation 3 and Situation 4...

Particularly Situation 3. "I'm sorry, but 'meets expectations' means you're doing an average job, not an exceptional job. You get a 3.0. Deal with it."

You're part of the problem. "Meets expectations" is a TWO point 0.

[theframeproblem.files.wordpress.com image 400x322]

Every job I have had has a 4 point rating scale and "Meets" is a 3.


Then it's your employers' fault.

Seriously, since when do you get a 3.0 for meeting expectations?
 
2013-06-06 05:04:11 PM

Where wolf:  50+ old bastard that slept at his desk.


Did you fire him?
 
2013-06-06 05:06:00 PM
ITT: boomers think they're funny
 
2013-06-06 05:19:05 PM
'Old' IT guy here and oh, come on.  We've seen this same shiat before.  Like during the Y2K apocalypse, when these kids were still playing "T-ball."  Why, back then, we had to rig wires to flying kites during the lightning storms to keep the mainframes running!

/shakes fist at cloud and adjusts onions on belt
 
2013-06-06 05:34:11 PM

fatbear: Where wolf:

You just sound mad that someone younger can do it better than you.

Nowhere in your original post did you say you did anything well. You made it all sound very...adequate.

Anyone who can do my job better than me is welcome to it.

I've spent my time doing 60/week

biatching starts at 80 hrs/week.


Yes, screw worker's rights!  Let's make sure companies take away weekends too, and then ostracize the workers for complaining about it.  It's amazing to see people argue against their own interests.  If you worked 20 hours a week and got paid the same as 40 (or 80..wtf) hours a week, isn't that a huge farking win for you?
 
2013-06-06 05:37:16 PM
My favorite complaints in this thread are the ones that suggest millennials are getting paid for their work. Does that still happen? I thought SOP these days was to give them perpetual "internships" that involve work people USED to get paid for 20 years ago and just pay them in "experience" until they get frustrated (read: hungry) and quit--sometime around their 30th birthday. Then all the old farts biatch among themselves about how entitled those "kids" are for wanting a rea--

Oh, I see you already know that part.
 
2013-06-06 05:41:01 PM
I know plenty of kids I thought would grow up to be insufferable little D-bags that ended up becoming exceptionally responsible people, who work hard for little and don't complain.  The ones who ended up insufferable D-bags were the ones who went to college.  But they're the ones you'll end up employing for jobs fit for high-school grads.

I'm getting the feeling that too often, college is a bad mark on a worker.  Find me a kid with a diploma who cooks for himself, cleans his home, and makes rent on time, and I'd hire him before a debt-burdened frat boy for most of these jobs.  But many employers consider the indentured servitude that comes with this debt a good thing.

On the other hand, those kids I know with these qualities have to work at Walmart, and run small at-home businesses that don't make any money worth mentioning.  Constantly broke, but they pay their bills.  You're the ones who insist on the college creds to even take an application--you'll never see people like this.  If you have employees like these in a job that doesn't require research, advanced math, or medical skills, it's your fault.

In short, reduce the credentials required to apply for a job.  Hold interviews where you get to know something about the person you're hiring instead of asking the typical inane "right answer wrong answer" questions.  And use the resources to train employees to do a job, instead of asking the workforce to provide you with these skills out-of-the-box.
 
2013-06-06 05:42:53 PM

lahuman8: fatbear: Where wolf:

You just sound mad that someone younger can do it better than you.

Nowhere in your original post did you say you did anything well. You made it all sound very...adequate.

Anyone who can do my job better than me is welcome to it.

I've spent my time doing 60/week

biatching starts at 80 hrs/week.

Yes, screw worker's rights!  Let's make sure companies take away weekends too, and then ostracize the workers for complaining about it.  It's amazing to see people argue against their own interests.  If you worked 20 hours a week and got paid the same as 40 (or 80..wtf) hours a week, isn't that a huge farking win for you?


Workers' rights:
You have the right to go find another job.
You have the right to quit if you don't like the conditions.
You have the right to move to a location with a better economy in order to find a job that you think is fair.

It's a two-way street. You show up and do your job, and your boss gives you a paycheck. If you think you should get more money, but there are others that will do the same work for less, then you probably won't get a raise. If you think you're the only person in the world who would put up with this shiat for this paycheck, then go demand a raise and quit if you don't get it.

Showing up and doing your job does NOT give you the right to promotions, raises, pats on the back, or cute trophies - that's the issue here.

Your cushy job 20hr/week will disappear once your boss finds out about someone who's willing to do more work for less money.
 
2013-06-06 06:11:46 PM
Here's the difference between Millennials and GenXers:

Job A needs to get done. Boss gives a outline of the work to be accomplished.

Millennials: Need a step by step instruction for the work to be completed and fully expect micromanagement to get the desired results. They will constantly stop to ask questions about the process, expecting updates from their boss at regular intervals for approval of the work accomplished.

GenXers: Get the job done with little to no supervision, and actually dislike a boss that questions their work ethic or timeline for completion. They take it personal when the boss checks the progress of the work. They want to be left alone to get it done.

As a manager, these two types of people do not mesh well when working a project together, and it's important to know what type of people you're dealing with. I actually had to take a course on managing the Millennials last year solely because they have disrupted the work force like no other generation before them.
 
2013-06-06 06:23:03 PM
Hey, that was four minutes of entertainment--gave me plenty of smiles. I'll agree only with the premise that (broad brush here) many younger workers have expectations about employer "accommodations" that would be unthinkable to older workers. College teachers, too, regularly see such expectations-which would likewise have been unthinkable during their own student days.

There's a 60-something I work with (genuinely good-hearted to employees of all ages) who will earnestly counsel the newbies--in response to complaints about workplace demands-"Hey, only 43 more years to go!"
 
2013-06-06 06:25:41 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: Here's the difference between Millennials and GenXers:

Job A needs to get done. Boss gives a outline of the work to be accomplished.

Millennials: Need a step by step instruction for the work to be completed and fully expect micromanagement to get the desired results. They will constantly stop to ask questions about the process, expecting updates from their boss at regular intervals for approval of the work accomplished.

GenXers: Get the job done with little to no supervision, and actually dislike a boss that questions their work ethic or timeline for completion. They take it personal when the boss checks the progress of the work. They want to be left alone to get it done.

As a manager, these two types of people do not mesh well when working a project together, and it's important to know what type of people you're dealing with. I actually had to take a course on managing the Millennials last year solely because they have disrupted the work force like no other generation before them.


Could it possibly have anything to do with the fact that Gen X'ers are older and, therefore, more experienced than Millennials? Are you seriously complaining about workers who want to make sure they're doing their job right?

Love the landscape of the modern workplace: Expect workers in their 20s to act like they're in their 40s while paying them like teenagers. You people can't retire/die off soon enough.
 
2013-06-06 06:32:11 PM
A millennial acquaintance of mine is taking a new sales job. She already wants a raise, but she asked me if she should wait 6 months before asking.

A) Fark yes.
B) You haven't even started yet. Do a good job first, and then..
C) WAIT A FARKING MINUTE! It's a SALES job! There are no raises. You get paid on COMMISSION. You want more money? Work harder.
 
2013-06-06 06:33:26 PM

The Great EZE: Could it possibly have anything to do with the fact that Gen X'ers are older and, therefore, more experienced than Millennials? Are you seriously complaining about workers who want to make sure they're doing their job right?

Love the landscape of the modern workplace: Expect workers in their 20s to act like they're in their 40s while paying them like teenagers. You people can't retire/die off soon enough.


Well, I guess I should have prefaced it with: When these two generations entered the workforce, this is how they did their work.

Science, biatches! No, literally, they'd scientifically studied this and I took a whole course on it for work. A week long seminar going in depth on how each generation developed their role in our world and how the next generation picked up on it and developed their work ethic from it.

It was very intriguing and informative. I highly recommend taking a course like this if you have the opportunity. It was funny that the Millennials did not see themselves like they were portrayed in the course, but every other generation agreed it was true. GenXers took their hit in the course, too, but they were at least agreeable to what they were like instead of being obstinate and deflecting the truth to other people... like the Millennials. They don't really act that way, that's just how all the other generations see them, and it's wrong.
 
2013-06-06 06:47:31 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: The Great EZE: Could it possibly have anything to do with the fact that Gen X'ers are older and, therefore, more experienced than Millennials? Are you seriously complaining about workers who want to make sure they're doing their job right?

Love the landscape of the modern workplace: Expect workers in their 20s to act like they're in their 40s while paying them like teenagers. You people can't retire/die off soon enough.

Well, I guess I should have prefaced it with: When these two generations entered the workforce, this is how they did their work.

Science, biatches! No, literally, they'd scientifically studied this and I took a whole course on it for work. A week long seminar going in depth on how each generation developed their role in our world and how the next generation picked up on it and developed their work ethic from it.

It was very intriguing and informative. I highly recommend taking a course like this if you have the opportunity. It was funny that the Millennials did not see themselves like they were portrayed in the course, but every other generation agreed it was true. GenXers took their hit in the course, too, but they were at least agreeable to what they were like instead of being obstinate and deflecting the truth to other people... like the Millennials. They don't really act that way, that's just how all the other generations see them, and it's wrong.


I'd love to take that course but I'm too busy looking for a job that doesn't act like I'm twisting their arm when I ask for something a little more substantial than a food and transportation stipend. Leaning on your parents for money when you already have five years of work experience isn't exactly a sexy lifestyle.

But seriously, that does sound like legitimate scientific study. I just wish my college offered a minor in Back-In-My-Dayology.
 
2013-06-06 06:50:15 PM
The Great EZE:a job that doesn't act like I'm twisting their arm when I ask for something a little more substantial than a food and transportation stipend.

have five years of work experience


What's the job? What's your skillset?
 
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