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(CNN)   Six dead and 14 injured in yesterday's Philly building collapse. Toll from Pittsburgh collapse to be determined Friday night   (cnn.com) divider line 59
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2013-06-06 09:22:20 AM
Masterful dig, subby.
 
2013-06-06 09:41:34 AM
In a Salvation Army?

The "charity" organization that keeps going on record as saying "gays should die"?

I feel really bad for my reflexive thought on the subject: "well God has offered his editorial on their idea of Christian virtues."

I suspect that makes me a Westboro-level dickhead. Not cool.
 
2013-06-06 09:49:37 AM
+1 internets subby.
 
2013-06-06 09:51:42 AM

unlikely: In a Salvation Army?

The "charity" organization that keeps going on record as saying "gays should die"?


Really?  I thought they were pretty much apolitical?
 
2013-06-06 09:57:04 AM

nekom: unlikely: In a Salvation Army?

The "charity" organization that keeps going on record as saying "gays should die"?

Really?  I thought they were pretty much apolitical?


There was a more recent one but this is what the googles found me in a couple seconds:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/26/andrew-craibe-salvation-arm y- official-gays-put-to-death_n_1628135.html
 
2013-06-06 10:03:10 AM
unlikely:
There was a more recent one but this is what the googles found me in a couple seconds:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/26/andrew-craibe-salvation-arm y- official-gays-put-to-death_n_1628135.html


Well, that particular person would appear to be a bigoted jackass, but it seems like the organization was quick to distance themselves from his comments.  Does make one wonder how many there are in there with that mindset.  They do a lot of good, I personally know people they've helped, it would be a shame for them to get mired in matters unrelated to compassion and helping those in need.
 
2013-06-06 10:16:25 AM
I lawled harder than I should, good one subs
 
2013-06-06 10:24:46 AM
Philly's L&I (Licensing and Inspection) may get another letter soon so it reads L&I&E.
 
2013-06-06 10:25:20 AM

nekom: unlikely:
There was a more recent one but this is what the googles found me in a couple seconds:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/26/andrew-craibe-salvation-arm y- official-gays-put-to-death_n_1628135.html

Well, that particular person would appear to be a bigoted jackass, but it seems like the organization was quick to distance themselves from his comments.  Does make one wonder how many there are in there with that mindset.  They do a lot of good, I personally know people they've helped, it would be a shame for them to get mired in matters unrelated to compassion and helping those in need.


a) it's covered in "Salvation Story: Salvationist Handbook of Doctrine" a bunch of times, it's not just the one guy; he's just the one who came out and said it. And I recognize that they do some good; this particular bit of farkheadery just really chafes.

and

b) No matter how much the idea of an organization spreading that kind of hate in the name of Christ annoys the hell out of me, it doesn't excuse my dickish response to hearing people had died in a Salvation Army building collapse.
 
2013-06-06 10:25:23 AM
Good dig Subby.  Even made Mothman laugh.
 
2013-06-06 10:27:57 AM

BitwiseShift: Philly's L&I (Licensing and Inspection) may get another letter soon so it reads L&I&E.


Eh, the building was in the process of being demolished.  Because it was old and probably unsafe.  Other than insisting that these structures get torn down earlier (and then seizing by eminent domain if they're not), I'm not sure what inspection and licensing can do.
 
2013-06-06 10:28:18 AM

BitwiseShift: Philly's L&I (Licensing and Inspection) may get another letter soon so it reads L&I&E.


One of the more corrupt departments of a super corrupt government
 
2013-06-06 10:30:00 AM
I like you, subby. You're my kind of asshole.
 
2013-06-06 10:30:06 AM
Lottery-jackpot math is like cop-confiscation math. "Wins" $590 million, "takes" $370 million lump sum, actually gets $278 million, and if she drops dead tomorrow, her heirs split $166 million.
 
2013-06-06 10:30:25 AM
Heh heh heh heh. Pittsburgh sucks.
 
2013-06-06 10:30:49 AM

Hoopy Frood: Lottery-jackpot math is like cop-confiscation math. "Wins" $590 million, "takes" $370 million lump sum, actually gets $278 million, and if she drops dead tomorrow, her heirs split $166 million.


And somehow that wound up in the wrong thread. Whoops.
 
2013-06-06 10:32:50 AM
Bravo, Subby, Bravo !
 
2013-06-06 10:33:42 AM
Is it me or are we getting more and more numb to these tragedies? Honestly, I didn't even follow the story yesterday... didn't care.
 
2013-06-06 10:34:45 AM
+1 Subby

/fark the Pens
 
2013-06-06 10:35:19 AM

unlikely: nekom: unlikely: In a Salvation Army?

The "charity" organization that keeps going on record as saying "gays should die"?

Really?  I thought they were pretty much apolitical?

There was a more recent one but this is what the googles found me in a couple seconds:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/26/andrew-craibe-salvation-arm y- official-gays-put-to-death_n_1628135.html


All I'll say is, depending on the location, Salvation Army stores are an amazing place to get barely used quality and designer clothing for nearly nothing. And even in a shiatty locale like Philly, it is one of the cheapest places to get decent clothing for those who can't afford otherwise.

So I certainly send my thoughts to the victims and their families here--they don't determine policy and were just living their lives.

/Even if God exists and interferes in this universe, I don't think anyone deserves something like this--not even Westboro.
//shiat just happens.
 
2013-06-06 10:38:27 AM
FTFA:

"I knew that was going to collapse sometime soon, and it did today," Patrick Glynn told CNN affiliate WPVI. "For weeks, they've been standing on the edge, knocking bricks off, pieces off, you could just see it was ready to go at any time. I knew it was going to happen. I seen it. I said it 10 times. Ask these guys. Every day, I said, 'It's gonna collapse, it's gonna collapse.'"

Minerva Pinto works nearby. She and her coworkers thought the building looked precarious in the days before the collapse.


If you were so certain, why didn't you people alert authorities?

I really hate when people Monday morning quarterback these kinds of disasters.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-06 10:40:41 AM

thornhill: FTFA:

"I knew that was going to collapse sometime soon, and it did today," Patrick Glynn told CNN affiliate WPVI. "For weeks, they've been standing on the edge, knocking bricks off, pieces off, you could just see it was ready to go at any time. I knew it was going to happen. I seen it. I said it 10 times. Ask these guys. Every day, I said, 'It's gonna collapse, it's gonna collapse.'"

Minerva Pinto works nearby. She and her coworkers thought the building looked precarious in the days before the collapse.

If you were so certain, why didn't you people alert authorities?

I really hate when people Monday morning quarterback these kinds of disasters.


Has Erin Burnett second guessed it in an interview with the mayor yet?
 
2013-06-06 10:42:41 AM

d23: thornhill: FTFA:

"I knew that was going to collapse sometime soon, and it did today," Patrick Glynn told CNN affiliate WPVI. "For weeks, they've been standing on the edge, knocking bricks off, pieces off, you could just see it was ready to go at any time. I knew it was going to happen. I seen it. I said it 10 times. Ask these guys. Every day, I said, 'It's gonna collapse, it's gonna collapse.'"

Minerva Pinto works nearby. She and her coworkers thought the building looked precarious in the days before the collapse.

If you were so certain, why didn't you people alert authorities?

I really hate when people Monday morning quarterback these kinds of disasters.

Has Erin Burnett second guessed it in an interview with the mayor yet?


"Mr. Mayor, all of these people saw this coming; why is it that you didn't read their minds to know what they were thinking about this demolition site?"
 
2013-06-06 10:43:20 AM
A construction crane bumped the building twice, before it swayed, he said.

This makes it sound like it wasn't so much a freak accident as a result of gross negligence. Am I reading this right, that a construction crew accidentally caved the building in to cause this, or is this talking about a crew coming in after the fact to knock down the rest of it so it doesn't fall and hurt more people?
 
2013-06-06 10:44:38 AM
According to Google Maps it's next door to the Mutter Museum of Medical Oddities.  Good thing it didn't fall the other way.

"First responders reported that a four armed woman and a boy with the head of a dog were among the casualties."
 
2013-06-06 10:48:39 AM
Boston Bruins fans have bad memories.....  I seem to remember the Flyers beign down 3-0 in the series and losing 3-0 in game 7  in 2010 and comin gback to win....  However....

/Fark the Pens
//Fark Crosby
 
2013-06-06 10:49:38 AM
[golfclap.jpg]
 
2013-06-06 11:00:01 AM

nekom: unlikely:
There was a more recent one but this is what the googles found me in a couple seconds:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/26/andrew-craibe-salvation-arm y- official-gays-put-to-death_n_1628135.html

Well, that particular person would appear to be a bigoted jackass, but it seems like the organization was quick to distance themselves from his comments.  Does make one wonder how many there are in there with that mindset.  They do a lot of good, I personally know people they've helped, it would be a shame for them to get mired in matters unrelated to compassion and helping those in need.


Ugh, hadn't heard of that angle to the organization either.  Wife and I donate used stuff, but mostly to Goodwill, just because they're convenient.  Hope they're not secretly serial killers, or something...
 
2013-06-06 11:12:25 AM
golf clap subby, *snicker*.  Go Bruins!
 
2013-06-06 11:14:29 AM

PunGent: nekom: unlikely:
There was a more recent one but this is what the googles found me in a couple seconds:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/26/andrew-craibe-salvation-arm y- official-gays-put-to-death_n_1628135.html

Well, that particular person would appear to be a bigoted jackass, but it seems like the organization was quick to distance themselves from his comments.  Does make one wonder how many there are in there with that mindset.  They do a lot of good, I personally know people they've helped, it would be a shame for them to get mired in matters unrelated to compassion and helping those in need.

Ugh, hadn't heard of that angle to the organization either.  Wife and I donate used stuff, but mostly to Goodwill, just because they're convenient.  Hope they're not secretly serial killers, or something...


no no, they just slave retard labor
 
2013-06-06 11:20:01 AM
from the sound of it, it seems like there should be some low income housing available soon.
 
2013-06-06 11:22:25 AM

FrancoFile: Eh, the building was in the process of being demolished. Because it was old and probably unsafe. Other than insisting that these structures get torn down earlier (and then seizing by eminent domain if they're not), I'm not sure what inspection and licensing can do.


3)Profit!
 
2013-06-06 11:22:32 AM

Cerebral Knievel: no no, they just slave retard labor


Well to be fair, using them downs kids to lift used couches just make sense since they have retard strength
 
2013-06-06 11:24:58 AM

Tommy Moo: A construction crane bumped the building twice, before it swayed, he said.

This makes it sound like it wasn't so much a freak accident as a result of gross negligence. Am I reading this right, that a construction crew accidentally caved the building in to cause this, or is this talking about a crew coming in after the fact to knock down the rest of it so it doesn't fall and hurt more people?


I work about 4 blocks from the building (Comcast Center, 17th and JFK). I used to shop daily at the Trader Joe's across the street from the building which collapsed. It sucks that this happened.

First thing to note, all of the buildings on that block are adjoined (there is an alleyway behind them where the salvation army had its drop off point). There were buildings on the left and right of the building that was supposed to be demolished - the salvation army was on the side facing 21st. So they were trying to demolish a building with two other older buildings immediately next door.

Because of this, they were supposed to A) have bracings to ensure that the walls of the building next to it wouldn't sustain any damage, and B) they had to do the demolition by hand, and folks are reporting that there were large pieces of equipment in use which means it's pretty well gross negligence.

The guy who owned the building owns a string of porn theaters, and he's also a higher up in an investment company (STB Investments). They used their own construction subsidiary to do the work, and it sounds like they did it to try and avoid a lot of the normal regulatory crap instead of doing things properly. WHYY (NPR for Philadelphia) had some civil engineers from the city on yesterday, and they couldn't believe that with older infrastructure basic steps like ensuring the nearby buildings were emptied at the time of demolition, and bracing the walls of adjoining buildings.

The thing that sucks the most is a lot of folks who frequent that salvation army aren't in the best financial situation (they used to keep a few piles of clothes at the back door that were free, so a lot of homeless folks, or other poor folks could get something to wear), so a lot probably just went into debt for life thanks to our stupid medical system. Here's to hoping the lawsuits cover any damages.
 
2013-06-06 11:32:24 AM

scubamage: Tommy Moo: A construction crane bumped the building twice, before it swayed, he said.

This makes it sound like it wasn't so much a freak accident as a result of gross negligence. Am I reading this right, that a construction crew accidentally caved the building in to cause this, or is this talking about a crew coming in after the fact to knock down the rest of it so it doesn't fall and hurt more people?

I work about 4 blocks from the building (Comcast Center, 17th and JFK). I used to shop daily at the Trader Joe's across the street from the building which collapsed. It sucks that this happened.

First thing to note, all of the buildings on that block are adjoined (there is an alleyway behind them where the salvation army had its drop off point). There were buildings on the left and right of the building that was supposed to be demolished - the salvation army was on the side facing 21st. So they were trying to demolish a building with two other older buildings immediately next door.

Because of this, they were supposed to A) have bracings to ensure that the walls of the building next to it wouldn't sustain any damage, and B) they had to do the demolition by hand, and folks are reporting that there were large pieces of equipment in use which means it's pretty well gross negligence.

The guy who owned the building owns a string of porn theaters, and he's also a higher up in an investment company (STB Investments). They used their own construction subsidiary to do the work, and it sounds like they did it to try and avoid a lot of the normal regulatory crap instead of doing things properly. WHYY (NPR for Philadelphia) had some civil engineers from the city on yesterday, and they couldn't believe that with older infrastructure basic steps like ensuring the nearby buildings were emptied at the time of demolition, and bracing the walls of adjoining buildings.

The thing that sucks the most is a lot of folks who frequent that salvation army aren't in the best financial situ ...


I'm astounded there hasn't been more of a uproar about this. When people die or are injured n demolition work, somebody at some point f'd up big time. You can't just say "whoops, guess that went badly" and expect it to go away. The mayor seems pretty lame about this... you think he would be taking a little more ownership of the response and saying something like "we're going to be looking very closely at what happened" rather than his peevish attitude.
 
2013-06-06 11:38:56 AM

scubamage: WHYY (NPR for Philadelphia) had some civil engineers from the city on yesterday


They think a crane bumped the wall and coupled with zero bracing it finally caved on the thrift store
 
2013-06-06 11:39:10 AM
Have they figured out how to blame Wal-Mart?
 
2013-06-06 11:44:09 AM

Tommy Moo: A construction crane bumped the building twice, before it swayed, he said.

This makes it sound like it wasn't so much a freak accident as a result of gross negligence. Am I reading this right, that a construction crew accidentally caved the building in to cause this, or is this talking about a crew coming in after the fact to knock down the rest of it so it doesn't fall and hurt more people?


Remember this when some Union Shill Politico tells you that PLA's are necessary because safety.
 
2013-06-06 11:46:28 AM

scubamage: Tommy Moo: A construction crane bumped the building twice, before it swayed, he said.

This makes it sound like it wasn't so much a freak accident as a result of gross negligence. Am I reading this right, that a construction crew accidentally caved the building in to cause this, or is this talking about a crew coming in after the fact to knock down the rest of it so it doesn't fall and hurt more people?

I work about 4 blocks from the building (Comcast Center, 17th and JFK). I used to shop daily at the Trader Joe's across the street from the building which collapsed. It sucks that this happened.

First thing to note, all of the buildings on that block are adjoined (there is an alleyway behind them where the salvation army had its drop off point). There were buildings on the left and right of the building that was supposed to be demolished - the salvation army was on the side facing 21st. So they were trying to demolish a building with two other older buildings immediately next door.

Because of this, they were supposed to A) have bracings to ensure that the walls of the building next to it wouldn't sustain any damage, and B) they had to do the demolition by hand, and folks are reporting that there were large pieces of equipment in use which means it's pretty well gross negligence.

The guy who owned the building owns a string of porn theaters, and he's also a higher up in an investment company (STB Investments). They used their own construction subsidiary to do the work, and it sounds like they did it to try and avoid a lot of the normal regulatory crap instead of doing things properly. WHYY (NPR for Philadelphia) had some civil engineers from the city on yesterday, and they couldn't believe that with older infrastructure basic steps like ensuring the nearby buildings were emptied at the time of demolition, and bracing the walls of adjoining buildings.

The thing that sucks the most is a lot of folks who frequent that salvation army aren't in the best financial situ ...


The real question is: when someone applies for a demolition permit from L&I, does the permit ask for some kind of analysis of the structure and plan for the demolition that's certified by a structural engineer? As incompetent as L&I may be, I'd be pretty shocked if these questions aren't asked before granting the permit. So then the issue could be that L&I isn't doing enough surprise inspections.

But given  Richard Basciano national reputation as a slumlord, I wouldn't be surprised if he lied to L&I and told his contractors to cut every possible corner.
 
2013-06-06 11:53:09 AM

The_Eliminator: I'm astounded there hasn't been more of a uproar about this. When people die or are injured n demolition work, somebody at some point f'd up big time. You can't just say "whoops, guess that went badly" and expect it to go away. The mayor seems pretty lame about this... you think he would be taking a little more ownership of the response and saying something like "we're going to be looking very closely at what happened" rather than his peevish attitude.


The Mayor has already said there will be a "wide-ranging investigation." What more can he really say at this point?

Save your outrage at the Mayor if it turns out L&I dropped the ball on this and no one even gets fired.
 
2013-06-06 11:57:04 AM

thornhill: The real question is: when someone applies for a demolition permit from L&I, does the permit ask for some kind of analysis of the structure and plan for the demolition that's certified by a structural engineer? As incompetent as L&I may be, I'd be pretty shocked if these questions aren't asked before granting the permit. So then the issue could be that L&I isn't doing enough surprise inspections.

But given  Richard Basciano national reputation as a slumlord, I wouldn't be surprised if he lied to L&I and told his contractors to cut every possible corner.


I really would hope so, given there are a TON of infrastructure stakeholders (PGW, MetEd, almost all of the voice telecom lines are underground too) that could be impacted. Those buildings are in many cases 100+ years old, so it's probably old cast iron gas lines running underneath them. You do the demolition improperly and the whole block goes kaboom. And that's before you even consider most of those buildings have a single red brick wall (again, 100+ years old) between them, and that's it.
 
2013-06-06 11:57:48 AM
So who is going to be the first to blame this on gay marriage?
 
2013-06-06 11:59:52 AM

thornhill: The_Eliminator: I'm astounded there hasn't been more of a uproar about this. When people die or are injured n demolition work, somebody at some point f'd up big time. You can't just say "whoops, guess that went badly" and expect it to go away. The mayor seems pretty lame about this... you think he would be taking a little more ownership of the response and saying something like "we're going to be looking very closely at what happened" rather than his peevish attitude.

The Mayor has already said there will be a "wide-ranging investigation." What more can he really say at this point?

Save your outrage at the Mayor if it turns out L&I dropped the ball on this and no one even gets fired.


This. The mayor's job isn't to watch over every demolition in the city. It is however to step in and make sure folks are held accountable when crap like this happens, and to start putting forward a plan to ensure it doesn't happen again. If it's a case where safeguards in place in the law, the law needs to be changed. If it's a situation where safeguards are there but they weren't followed, it's time to put heads on pikes and possibly implement some new checks on those safeguards. Nutter isn't the best Mayor ever, but he's not horrible. He just doesn't have a lot that he can do about it until he knows more of what is going on.
 
2013-06-06 12:18:20 PM
Fark you, subby.  Fark you and the horse you rode in on!

/angry Pens fan
 
2013-06-06 12:28:15 PM

scubamage: thornhill: The_Eliminator: I'm astounded there hasn't been more of a uproar about this. When people die or are injured n demolition work, somebody at some point f'd up big time. You can't just say "whoops, guess that went badly" and expect it to go away. The mayor seems pretty lame about this... you think he would be taking a little more ownership of the response and saying something like "we're going to be looking very closely at what happened" rather than his peevish attitude.

The Mayor has already said there will be a "wide-ranging investigation." What more can he really say at this point?

Save your outrage at the Mayor if it turns out L&I dropped the ball on this and no one even gets fired.

This. The mayor's job isn't to watch over every demolition in the city. It is however to step in and make sure folks are held accountable when crap like this happens, and to start putting forward a plan to ensure it doesn't happen again. If it's a case where safeguards in place in the law, the law needs to be changed. If it's a situation where safeguards are there but they weren't followed, it's time to put heads on pikes and possibly implement some new checks on those safeguards. Nutter isn't the best Mayor ever, but he's not horrible. He just doesn't have a lot that he can do about it until he knows more of what is going on.


It's also not like buildings are collapsing every other day.

I think the last time anything like this happened was about two years ago when a few bricks fell off the facade of a building being renovated.
 
2013-06-06 12:31:43 PM

bluorangefyre: Fark you, subby.  Fark you and the horse you rode in on!

/angry Pens fan


you have to admin, it was a really good dig.
 
2013-06-06 12:44:08 PM
Damn, subby, that stings.
 
2013-06-06 12:50:52 PM
As a Bruins fan... too soon.
 
2013-06-06 12:56:50 PM
Alright, I'm gonna be the fool to say it.  I don't get the joke in the headline.

Is it some sort of dig at how the media never gets anything right until at least a day later, yet they report it as FACT anyway.
 
2013-06-06 01:15:12 PM
Watching a building fall over due to inept construction crews? Funny.

Watching a building full of people fall over due to inept construction crews? Not Funny.
 
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