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2013-06-06 12:16:12 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: But but Manhattan has special challenges, such as a grid system that makes it easier to navigate most of the city! And crosswalks! And pavement! Come on guys, believe me! It's so much harder to bike here than it is literally any other city in the world because it's MY CITY!

Sh*t, the first city I ever biked seriously in was London. That place is harder to navigate than almost any other city I've ever been to.

not talking about getting lost, dumbass. Also, it is illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk in NYC. You would know that, however, having experience riding a bike here.

Where did I say anything about sidewalks?

isn't that what you meant by "pavement"? You were using "pavement" as a way that biking in NYC is easier. I know you're from Buffalo but I am pretty sure you rubes have paved roads too


WTF are you talking about? Pavement has nothing to do with sidewalks. Sidewalks are generally concrete. Roads and streets are generally pavement. I seriously have no clue where you got the idea that I was talking about riding on the sidewalk. it's illegal to do so in Buffalo as well.
 
2013-06-06 12:17:08 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: I didn't say that "every tourist" would be from there. It's just ludicrous to posit that bicycling in Manhattan would A) be done by rubes from Iowa, they'll take the bus or subway and B) is any different from any other large city in the world. Manhattan is not the only city with "congestion"

A) really? Honestly? Who the fark do you think is renting all these bikes in Columbus Circle? I get run over almost daily by some dickwad riding a rented bike on the sidewalk. Difference is you get a farking helmet when you rent one of those. You also make the assumption that the majority of tourists renting bikes have experience biking in very congested cities with a lot of traffic. Otherwise, why the fark would talking about "other cities have streets" make any farking sense?

Right. Do you think that Manhattan is the only city in the country or the world that deals with congestion problems? Seriously?


this is why I say you are too stupid to argue with. Are you claiming that all or even most tourists in NYC are both from large, congested cities similar to NYC and have experience bicycling in them AND do so without a helmet? Yes or no?
 
2013-06-06 12:18:01 PM  
Ohh, I get it.  Skullkrusher doesn't understand sarcasm.
 
2013-06-06 12:18:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: But but Manhattan has special challenges, such as a grid system that makes it easier to navigate most of the city! And crosswalks! And pavement! Come on guys, believe me! It's so much harder to bike here than it is literally any other city in the world because it's MY CITY!

Sh*t, the first city I ever biked seriously in was London. That place is harder to navigate than almost any other city I've ever been to.

not talking about getting lost, dumbass. Also, it is illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk in NYC. You would know that, however, having experience riding a bike here.

Where did I say anything about sidewalks?

isn't that what you meant by "pavement"? You were using "pavement" as a way that biking in NYC is easier. I know you're from Buffalo but I am pretty sure you rubes have paved roads too

WTF are you talking about? Pavement has nothing to do with sidewalks. Sidewalks are generally concrete. Roads and streets are generally pavement. I seriously have no clue where you got the idea that I was talking about riding on the sidewalk. it's illegal to do so in Buffalo as well.


So NYC is easier to ride a bike in than other places because of paved roads? Brilliant point, Cam.
 
2013-06-06 12:18:26 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: I didn't say that "every tourist" would be from there. It's just ludicrous to posit that bicycling in Manhattan would A) be done by rubes from Iowa, they'll take the bus or subway and B) is any different from any other large city in the world. Manhattan is not the only city with "congestion"

A) really? Honestly? Who the fark do you think is renting all these bikes in Columbus Circle? I get run over almost daily by some dickwad riding a rented bike on the sidewalk. Difference is you get a farking helmet when you rent one of those. You also make the assumption that the majority of tourists renting bikes have experience biking in very congested cities with a lot of traffic. Otherwise, why the fark would talking about "other cities have streets" make any farking sense?

Right. Do you think that Manhattan is the only city in the country or the world that deals with congestion problems? Seriously?


Manhattan's daytime population density is just shy of mumbai's
 
2013-06-06 12:19:37 PM  

CPennypacker: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: I didn't say that "every tourist" would be from there. It's just ludicrous to posit that bicycling in Manhattan would A) be done by rubes from Iowa, they'll take the bus or subway and B) is any different from any other large city in the world. Manhattan is not the only city with "congestion"

A) really? Honestly? Who the fark do you think is renting all these bikes in Columbus Circle? I get run over almost daily by some dickwad riding a rented bike on the sidewalk. Difference is you get a farking helmet when you rent one of those. You also make the assumption that the majority of tourists renting bikes have experience biking in very congested cities with a lot of traffic. Otherwise, why the fark would talking about "other cities have streets" make any farking sense?

Right. Do you think that Manhattan is the only city in the country or the world that deals with congestion problems? Seriously?

Manhattan's daytime population density is just shy of mumbai's


just like everywhere else every tourist in NYC is from.
 
2013-06-06 12:19:38 PM  

skullkrusher: Are you claiming that all or even most tourists in NYC are both from large, congested cities similar to NYC and have experience bicycling in them AND do so without a helmet? Yes or no?


Do you have evidence to the contrary? If someone from west bumfark Iowa who has never ridden in a city before and weighs 300 pounds decides to use citibike then isn't that just Darwin in action?

No, I think that most people who use citibike will be either commuters or tourists from large cities who are used to the urban biking environment. Will there be some idiots who try? Sure. But the majority probably won't be hicks.
 
2013-06-06 12:26:33 PM  

jakomo002: [www.cityprofile.com image 500x684]

They work great in downtown Montreal.


But they're not just vaguely French, they're Canadian French!
 
2013-06-06 12:28:45 PM  

ikanreed: KatjaMouse: Apparently Fark doesn't like me sharing WSJ links. So... copy pasta this? http://live.wsj.com/video/opinion-death-by-bicycle/C6D8BBCE-B405-4D3C- A381-4CA50BDD8D4D.html#!C6D8BBCE-B405-4D3C-A381-4CA50BDD8D4D

This is worth watching if only for the out of context statement "The all powerful bike lobby".  Really.


o.onionstatic.com
 
2013-06-06 12:46:30 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: So NYC is easier to ride a bike in than other places because of paved roads? Brilliant point, Cam.

That's the joke. Try not to be a humorless dickwad all the time, okay?

try to learn to use sarcasm. See, when you mix sarcasm with sincerity your point becomes unclear.  LOL GRIDS! (NYC is special in that regard relative to other city) LOL PAVEMENT (it isn't... so what the fark are you talking about).

Not my fault your communication skills suck donkey dick


Except his entire statement was sarcasm.  If you think NYC is special because they invented putting buildings in square units, you should really get off the island.  Phoenix, Chicago, Barcelona, Savannah (at a minimum) all would like a word with you.
 
2013-06-06 12:49:50 PM  

Rapmaster2000: [o.onionstatic.com image 850x595]


If only that moron could buy his own bike and take advantage of the apparent wonders.
 
2013-06-06 12:51:16 PM  

Where wolf: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: So NYC is easier to ride a bike in than other places because of paved roads? Brilliant point, Cam.

That's the joke. Try not to be a humorless dickwad all the time, okay?

try to learn to use sarcasm. See, when you mix sarcasm with sincerity your point becomes unclear.  LOL GRIDS! (NYC is special in that regard relative to other city) LOL PAVEMENT (it isn't... so what the fark are you talking about).

Not my fault your communication skills suck donkey dick

Except his entire statement was sarcasm.  If you think NYC is special because they invented putting buildings in square units, you should really get off the island.  Phoenix, Chicago, Barcelona, Savannah (at a minimum) all would like a word with you.


no, it wasn't. His point was that the grid makes it easier to navigate (what that has to do with safety is undetermined). Then he talked about pavements. He was the one making the point about NYC's uniqueness in that regard.
 
2013-06-06 12:51:39 PM  
Once I considered taking up biking semi-seriously, and to be fair, the "euroness" did get occasionally irritating.  I mean, why the hell do the gear selectors need to be called "derallieurs" or wheel bags need to be called "panniers", etc.  And normally I would be happy that everything was measured in metric, but I started to feel like there was a hidden agenda behind it.

I don't want culture with my exercise, tyvm, I just want to kill my legs for an hour and abuse my taint just to save $3 on gas.
 
2013-06-06 12:52:30 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: So NYC is easier to ride a bike in than other places because of paved roads? Brilliant point, Cam.

That's the joke. Try not to be a humorless dickwad all the time, okay?

try to learn to use sarcasm. See, when you mix sarcasm with sincerity your point becomes unclear.  LOL GRIDS! (NYC is special in that regard relative to other city) LOL PAVEMENT (it isn't... so what the fark are you talking about).

Not my fault your communication skills suck donkey dick


Hate to tell you, but it's likely you are the only person reading this thread who did not instantly understand the point of his sarcasm. Even given the usual limitations of text, that was pretty blatantly obvious.
 
2013-06-06 12:53:26 PM  
As has been pointed out before, you see this on nearly every major interesection and Metro station the heart of the "federal" and Business parts of DC theses days (downtown NW DC):
farm5.staticflickr.com
 and when the weather's nice you see hundreds of them on the streets.  So many in fact, that "real" bike riders are now treating Bikeshare riders with roughly the same regard Tf'ers show for Liters.  It's harder to be a hipster when EVERYBODY is bking to work
 
2013-06-06 12:54:38 PM  

skullkrusher: no, it wasn't. His point was that the grid makes it easier to navigate (what that has to do with safety is undetermined). Then he talked about pavements. He was the one making the point about NYC's uniqueness in that regard.


No, he was being sarcastic there too. He was implying the Manhattan grid was one of the things that make cycling there uniquely difficult - despite the fact that it is an aid to navigation and commonplace all over the world. Hence, blatant sarcasm. Sorry that it went over your head, you're usually a bit sharper than that.
 
2013-06-06 12:59:01 PM  

skullkrusher: Where wolf: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: So NYC is easier to ride a bike in than other places because of paved roads? Brilliant point, Cam.

That's the joke. Try not to be a humorless dickwad all the time, okay?

try to learn to use sarcasm. See, when you mix sarcasm with sincerity your point becomes unclear.  LOL GRIDS! (NYC is special in that regard relative to other city) LOL PAVEMENT (it isn't... so what the fark are you talking about).

Not my fault your communication skills suck donkey dick

Except his entire statement was sarcasm.  If you think NYC is special because they invented putting buildings in square units, you should really get off the island.  Phoenix, Chicago, Barcelona, Savannah (at a minimum) all would like a word with you.

no, it wasn't. His point was that the grid makes it easier to navigate (what that has to do with safety is undetermined). Then he talked about pavements. He was the one making the point about NYC's uniqueness in that regard.


You should probably never read A Modest Proposal...
 
2013-06-06 12:59:32 PM  

KiltedBastich: skullkrusher: no, it wasn't. His point was that the grid makes it easier to navigate (what that has to do with safety is undetermined). Then he talked about pavements. He was the one making the point about NYC's uniqueness in that regard.

No, he was being sarcastic there too. He was implying the Manhattan grid was one of the things that make cycling there uniquely difficult - despite the fact that it is an aid to navigation and commonplace all over the world. Hence, blatant sarcasm. Sorry that it went over your head, you're usually a bit sharper than that.


except that he contrasted NYC's grid with London's difficulty to navigate. Doesn't matter to the point. Fine.

Riding a bike in NYC is no more challenging than riding one anywhere else in the world.
 
2013-06-06 12:59:43 PM  

dookdookdook: Once I considered taking up biking semi-seriously, and to be fair, the "euroness" did get occasionally irritating.  I mean, why the hell do the gear selectors need to be called "derallieurs" or wheel bags need to be called "panniers", etc.  And normally I would be happy that everything was measured in metric, but I started to feel like there was a hidden agenda behind it.

I don't want culture with my exercise, tyvm, I just want to kill my legs for an hour and abuse my taint just to save $3 on gas.


To be fair, you usually have to pay more than $3 in gas for that, so the bike thing is a steal...
 
2013-06-06 12:59:51 PM  

skullkrusher: Debeo Summa Credo: Can we wait a few months or a year to see how it works out before we criticize?

It seems pricey to me. Annual membership of $95 is fine, but you only get to use a bike for 45 mins before they ding you with overrages. But whatever, others can make that decision for themselves.

Anyway, it didn't cost taxpayers anything, thanks to Citibank. So let's see how it works for a while.

I haven't heard much in the way of opposition to it on the ground, so to speak. There are criticisms of how it was implemented and other things but I haven't heard anyone around here talking about how much they hate bike sharing. Pretty much everyone thinks it's a cool idea and is interested to see how it works out


Other than the Post, I guess.

I just saw two people on them downtown. They're definitely being used based on the shifting on the bike racks i see day to day.
 
2013-06-06 01:01:09 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: skullkrusher: Debeo Summa Credo: Can we wait a few months or a year to see how it works out before we criticize?

It seems pricey to me. Annual membership of $95 is fine, but you only get to use a bike for 45 mins before they ding you with overrages. But whatever, others can make that decision for themselves.

Anyway, it didn't cost taxpayers anything, thanks to Citibank. So let's see how it works for a while.

I haven't heard much in the way of opposition to it on the ground, so to speak. There are criticisms of how it was implemented and other things but I haven't heard anyone around here talking about how much they hate bike sharing. Pretty much everyone thinks it's a cool idea and is interested to see how it works out

Other than the Post, I guess.

I just saw two people on them downtown. They're definitely being used based on the shifting on the bike racks i see day to day.


The Post always seems to be writing stories about how the racks were placed in places that piss off residents.
 
2013-06-06 01:06:55 PM  
jakomo002:
They work great in downtown Montreal.

Which is FRENCH.

Seriously, though, biking in the Big City is definitely not for noobs.  I'd be wary of it, as a resident of a smaller hippie-prone burg.  I'm mister "yay bikes", and even so, the last time I drove in Toronto I almost sideswiped a cyclist because they appear out of nowhere in a target-rich environment.
 
2013-06-06 01:13:03 PM  
I'd feel better about all this if the bikes wheels locked at red lights and refused to go the wrong way on a one way street.
 
Bf+
2013-06-06 01:42:32 PM  

Magorn: It's harder to be a hipster when EVERYBODY is bking to work


www.kalanstar.com
"God dammit"
 
2013-06-06 03:34:08 PM  

KatjaMouse: Apparently Fark doesn't like me sharing WSJ links. So... copy pasta this? http://live.wsj.com/video/opinion-death-by-bicycle/C6D8BBCE-B405-4D3C- A381-4CA50BDD8D4D.html#!C6D8BBCE-B405-4D3C-A381-4CA50BDD8D4D


There is some serious disconnect going on with that woman. She criticised the mayor for never taking a subway but talked a lot about how dangerous it will be to drive around the city with these bikes... I get the feeling that she hasn't taken public transport in a very long time.

We have CityCycles in Brisbane(Australia) and they work okay, the mandatory helmet laws limited their use at first but they're picking up. I used to use them all the time before I got myself my own bike.
When I go to Paris later this year I'm going to sign up for their version of it, just because I want to ride around the city this time instead of taking trains everywhere.
 
2013-06-06 06:20:13 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: It seems pricey to me. Annual membership of $95 is fine, but you only get to use a bike for 45 mins before they ding you with overrages. But whatever, others can make that decision for themselves.


Most people in Boston use them for quick errands or going from the commuter rail stations to Downtown / Financial District. I doubt any of the commuters are using them for more than 20 minutes.
 
2013-06-06 06:29:56 PM  

ikanreed: KatjaMouse: Apparently Fark doesn't like me sharing WSJ links. So... copy pasta this? http://live.wsj.com/video/opinion-death-by-bicycle/C6D8BBCE-B405-4D3C- A381-4CA50BDD8D4D.html#!C6D8BBCE-B405-4D3C-A381-4CA50BDD8D4D

This is worth watching if only for the out of context statement "The all powerful bike lobby".  Really.



Interviewer's annoying, though. She tries to play the correlation/causation card when talking about a single event, and she believes there's a city somewhere that's named "Knee Ork".
 
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