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2013-06-06 10:05:13 AM  
I guess I think of it more as vaguely Dutch.
 
2013-06-06 11:00:19 AM  
Finally saw them around the city last weekend, they looked sporty and fun.  Great for those that don't have the space to store their own bike which can be a real issue around here and/or visitors.  The annual membership is certainly reasonable.  It certainly took ages to implement, happy it's finally happening.
 
2013-06-06 11:02:12 AM  
 
2013-06-06 11:04:25 AM  
My backwards-ass southern city has had a bike-share for a year, and I ride the hell out of it.

Ways it has made anyone's life harder: [This space intentionally left blank]
 
2013-06-06 11:05:56 AM  
I'll bet the Jewish people did this!

/Jewish people instead of Jews
/so there's no hard J
 
2013-06-06 11:06:13 AM  
I'd totally ride a bike to work if I were certain I wouldn't be flattened by SUVs.
 
2013-06-06 11:08:25 AM  
www.cityprofile.com

They work great in downtown Montreal.
 
2013-06-06 11:08:58 AM  
They just get upset when Citi is involved but they can't foreclose on anything.
 
2013-06-06 11:10:22 AM  

WMCB: I'd totally ride a bike to work if I were certain I wouldn't be flattened by SUVs.


Don't wear any clothing that identifies you as a frequent biker(helmet, shorts, mesh shirt), and cars actually give you an extra foot of space, on average.  There was a study about it.

Your risk of head injury goes up about as much as your risk of car accident goes down, though.
 
2013-06-06 11:10:30 AM  
Can we wa
 
2013-06-06 11:13:40 AM  
DC has had a bike share for a few years and it's been hugely successful.

Then there are videos like this one where there are crazy people screaming about autocrats and socialism and how dangerous this is going to make the streets for drivers and pedestrians.
 
2013-06-06 11:14:28 AM  
Apparently Fark doesn't like me sharing WSJ links. So... copy pasta this? http://live.wsj.com/video/opinion-death-by-bicycle/C6D8BBCE-B405-4D3C- A381-4CA50BDD8D4D.html#!C6D8BBCE-B405-4D3C-A381-4CA50BDD8D4D
 
2013-06-06 11:16:42 AM  
We've got one coming to Pittsburgh, seems like a pretty cool system.
 
2013-06-06 11:18:09 AM  
Can we wait a few months or a year to see how it works out before we criticize?

It seems pricey to me. Annual membership of $95 is fine, but you only get to use a bike for 45 mins before they ding you with overrages. But whatever, others can make that decision for themselves.

Anyway, it didn't cost taxpayers anything, thanks to Citibank. So let's see how it works for a while.
 
2013-06-06 11:19:02 AM  

KatjaMouse: Apparently Fark doesn't like me sharing WSJ links. So... copy pasta this? http://live.wsj.com/video/opinion-death-by-bicycle/C6D8BBCE-B405-4D3C- A381-4CA50BDD8D4D.html#!C6D8BBCE-B405-4D3C-A381-4CA50BDD8D4D


This is worth watching if only for the out of context statement "The all powerful bike lobby".  Really.
 
2013-06-06 11:19:28 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Can we wa


Wa?
 
2013-06-06 11:21:26 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: It seems pricey to me. Annual membership of $95 is fine, but you only get to use a bike for 45 mins before they ding you with overrages. But whatever, others can make that decision for themselves.


Most people will use it for trips where they drop it off at a station on arrival - each leg of the trip easily under 45 minutes. Think of commuting.

At least, that's the theory.
 
2013-06-06 11:22:34 AM  
Does it stand poor?
 
2013-06-06 11:23:03 AM  
My favorite was the unhinged rant about the Muslim Nazi Collaborator making the streets as impassable as wartime Dresden. Talk about your all-time insanity right there. That was like a Jennifer Rubin rant.
 
Bf+
2013-06-06 11:26:45 AM  
My city, too, implemented a system like this.  At the rates they were charging, I swore it was a waste of time and money, and that nobody would use them.
Wow was I wrong.  They're EVERYWHERE!
/cool
 
2013-06-06 11:27:13 AM  
Picking on cyclists is a Fark-favorite. (Hell, I've indulged in venting my frustrations along with everyone once or twice.) It's been amusing watching conservatives derp so hard about this thing that the threads on the issue become generally supportive in response.
 
2013-06-06 11:30:09 AM  

Bf+: My city, too, implemented a system like this.  At the rates they were charging, I swore it was a waste of time and money, and that nobody would use them.
Wow was I wrong.  They're EVERYWHERE!
/cool


They really have to charge more than buying a bike would cost per year for it to be too much.  Here's why: fear of bike thieves is what keeps people from biking in cities.  If it ceases to be your responsibility as soon as you're done riding, you don't have to spend all day worrying if your ride will be there when you get back.

//my city needs more stations.
 
2013-06-06 11:32:34 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
Vaguely French bikers
 
2013-06-06 11:34:58 AM  

Witty_Retort: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 411x311]
Vaguely French bikers


I think you mean "cyclists."

A "biker" is a motorcycle rider.
 
2013-06-06 11:35:29 AM  
The fact that they're sponsored by Citi bank is reason enough to oppose them.
 
2013-06-06 11:36:56 AM  

Witty_Retort: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 411x311]
Vaguely French bikers


images.usatoday.com

Speaking of vaguely French.....
 
2013-06-06 11:37:53 AM  

neversubmit: I'll bet the Jewish people did this!
/Jewish people instead of Jews
/so there's no hard J


Ha! I've always felt awkward about saying "Jew" instead of "Jewish person," too.  For reasons I can't explain, it just sounds perjorative and angry to me, like I'm pronouncing it "Jooo" like a nazi in an old Warner Bros movie.

/threadjack
 
2013-06-06 11:40:26 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Can we wait a few months or a year to see how it works out before we criticize?

It seems pricey to me. Annual membership of $95 is fine, but you only get to use a bike for 45 mins before they ding you with overrages. But whatever, others can make that decision for themselves.

Anyway, it didn't cost taxpayers anything, thanks to Citibank. So let's see how it works for a while.


I haven't heard much in the way of opposition to it on the ground, so to speak. There are criticisms of how it was implemented and other things but I haven't heard anyone around here talking about how much they hate bike sharing. Pretty much everyone thinks it's a cool idea and is interested to see how it works out
 
mhd
2013-06-06 11:43:09 AM  

Sybarite: I guess I think of it more as vaguely Dutch.


As a German, I think of it as formerly Dutch.
 
2013-06-06 11:50:05 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: neversubmit: I'll bet the Jewish people did this!
/Jewish people instead of Jews
/so there's no hard J

Ha! I've always felt awkward about saying "Jew" instead of "Jewish person," too.  For reasons I can't explain, it just sounds perjorative and angry to me, like I'm pronouncing it "Jooo" like a nazi in an old Warner Bros movie.

/threadjack


Because it reduces a person to their ethnicity(tying back to Judaism's inheritance).  It's like using "black" as a noun.  It's subtle, but we know people aren't just defined by one attribute.

We're more ok with occupation/religion because those are choices that reflect personality.

//Just in case someone accuses me of being "PC Police", let me note you're free to call people whatever you want, some language is just inherently more insulting.
 
2013-06-06 11:51:26 AM  

LasersHurt: We've got one coming to Pittsburgh, seems like a pretty cool system.


Isn't biking in Pittsburgh only for Lance Armstrong types who can bike up the Pyrenees?
 
2013-06-06 11:52:21 AM  
I think it's a cool concept and I hope it works out as well in NYC as it has in other cities. I'm surprised by the 45 minute timer, though. Especially in a city as large as NYC. Do they have a bunch of stations/hubs/racks?
 
2013-06-06 11:53:32 AM  

geek_mars: I think it's a cool concept and I hope it works out as well in NYC as it has in other cities. I'm surprised by the 45 minute timer, though. Especially in a city as large as NYC. Do they have a bunch of stations/hubs/racks?


they're all over the place downtown. Nothing north of 59th or 60th St
 
Bf+
2013-06-06 11:54:08 AM  

ikanreed: Bf+: My city, too, implemented a system like this.  At the rates they were charging, I swore it was a waste of time and money, and that nobody would use them.
Wow was I wrong.  They're EVERYWHERE!
/cool

They really have to charge more than buying a bike would cost per year for it to be too much.  Here's why: fear of bike thieves is what keeps people from biking in cities.  If it ceases to be your responsibility as soon as you're done riding, you don't have to spend all day worrying if your ride will be there when you get back.

//my city needs more stations.


They have to compete with the local bike shops, almost all of which will rent bikes for far cheaper.  Of course, the bikes aren't as nice and you have to return them to the same place you got them.

As for bike thieves, I'm generally anti-death penalty, but for bike thieves, I'd make an exception.  I'd be happy to fund a bait-bike program in our town to flush them out and make their names public... for vigilante retribution.  I don't have a good understanding why I have such an out-of-character hatred for bike thieves.  I've never even had my bike stolen.
(And I never had a bike stolen)
 
2013-06-06 11:55:54 AM  
www.trbimg.com

something vaguely...something
 
2013-06-06 11:56:08 AM  

skullkrusher: geek_mars: I think it's a cool concept and I hope it works out as well in NYC as it has in other cities. I'm surprised by the 45 minute timer, though. Especially in a city as large as NYC. Do they have a bunch of stations/hubs/racks?

they're all over the place downtown. Nothing north of 59th or 60th St


So you haven't seen too many accidents due to Manhattan's supposed "special" difficulty setting?
 
2013-06-06 11:58:40 AM  

Graffito: LasersHurt: We've got one coming to Pittsburgh, seems like a pretty cool system.

Isn't biking in Pittsburgh only for Lance Armstrong types who can bike up the Pyrenees?


It can be. If you stick to certain neighborhoods and routes you can remain mostly flat. Personally I don't bike around, but if I did I'd invest in an Electric Bike for the Pedal Assist. Otherwise, those hills would murder me and probably my family.
 
2013-06-06 11:59:36 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: geek_mars: I think it's a cool concept and I hope it works out as well in NYC as it has in other cities. I'm surprised by the 45 minute timer, though. Especially in a city as large as NYC. Do they have a bunch of stations/hubs/racks?

they're all over the place downtown. Nothing north of 59th or 60th St

So you haven't seen too many accidents due to Manhattan's supposed "special" difficulty setting?


I haven't seen anyone on them yet, actually. Is this yet another thread where you want to tell the world that you don't understand how riding a bike in Manhattan poses significant challenges for someone not familiar with it? It worked out splendidly last time for you, why not give it a shot again?
 
2013-06-06 12:00:29 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: geek_mars: I think it's a cool concept and I hope it works out as well in NYC as it has in other cities. I'm surprised by the 45 minute timer, though. Especially in a city as large as NYC. Do they have a bunch of stations/hubs/racks?

they're all over the place downtown. Nothing north of 59th or 60th St

So you haven't seen too many accidents due to Manhattan's supposed "special" difficulty setting?

I haven't seen anyone on them yet, actually. Is this yet another thread where you want to tell the world that you don't understand how riding a bike in Manhattan poses significant challenges for someone not familiar with it? It worked out splendidly last time for you, why not give it a shot again?


It did work out splendidly for me. I've biked in Manhattan before. Want to tell me again how horribly it must have gone for me because literally no city in the world has streets, taxicabs, and other drivers?
 
2013-06-06 12:04:53 PM  
But but Manhattan has special challenges, such as a grid system that makes it easier to navigate most of the city! And crosswalks! And pavement! Come on guys, believe me! It's so much harder to bike here than it is literally any other city in the world because it's MY CITY!

Sh*t, the first city I ever biked seriously in was London. That place is harder to navigate than almost any other city I've ever been to.
 
2013-06-06 12:05:50 PM  
Cyclists in manhattan are awful. Not looking forward to more of them

I'm definitely not a conservative, and also part french
 
2013-06-06 12:06:54 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: geek_mars: I think it's a cool concept and I hope it works out as well in NYC as it has in other cities. I'm surprised by the 45 minute timer, though. Especially in a city as large as NYC. Do they have a bunch of stations/hubs/racks?

they're all over the place downtown. Nothing north of 59th or 60th St

So you haven't seen too many accidents due to Manhattan's supposed "special" difficulty setting?

I haven't seen anyone on them yet, actually. Is this yet another thread where you want to tell the world that you don't understand how riding a bike in Manhattan poses significant challenges for someone not familiar with it? It worked out splendidly last time for you, why not give it a shot again?

It did work out splendidly for me. I've biked in Manhattan before. Want to tell me again how horribly it must have gone for me because literally no city in the world has streets, taxicabs, and other drivers?


yeah? When and where? Tooling around the bike lanes in the Park or were you riding down 6th Avenue in midtown? It doesn't necessarily have to go horribly for you. If you'll recall, I fully support the bike share program. I did express reservations about a bunch of tourists not familiar with bicycling in Manhattan - which, despite your increasingly delusional claims to the contrary - is very much different than the experiences of the majority of people and how the fact that these people won't be using helmets for the most part poses a potential issue when it comes to injury.

It has nothing to do with whether other cities have streets an taxicabs because A) many, many tourists are not from cities with busy streets and taxicabs and B) you have to be a special sort of person to think that most of those cities that do are comparable to Manhattan in terms of congestion and activity. Go one about how every tourist is from Mexico City or London and has experience riding a bike in those cities.
 
2013-06-06 12:07:35 PM  

CPennypacker: Cyclists in manhattan are awful. Not looking forward to more of them

I'm definitely not a conservative, and also part french


Is it because of how  especially difficult it is to ride a bicycle on the island?
 
2013-06-06 12:08:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: CPennypacker: Cyclists in manhattan are awful. Not looking forward to more of them

I'm definitely not a conservative, and also part french

Is it because of how  especially difficult it is to ride a bicycle on the island?


No, its because of how often I'm almost run over by one breaking traffic laws
 
2013-06-06 12:09:43 PM  

skullkrusher: Go one about how every tourist is from Mexico City or London and has experience riding a bike in those cities.


I didn't say that "every tourist" would be from there. It's just ludicrous to posit that bicycling in Manhattan would A) be done by rubes from Iowa, they'll take the bus or subway and B) is any different from any other large city in the world. Manhattan is not the only city with "congestion"

Also, mainly when I go visit friends in the UES we bike around there and down to the LES and the East Village. Central Park is nice sometimes too.
 
2013-06-06 12:09:51 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: But but Manhattan has special challenges, such as a grid system that makes it easier to navigate most of the city! And crosswalks! And pavement! Come on guys, believe me! It's so much harder to bike here than it is literally any other city in the world because it's MY CITY!

Sh*t, the first city I ever biked seriously in was London. That place is harder to navigate than almost any other city I've ever been to.


not talking about getting lost, dumbass. Also, it is illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk in NYC. You would know that, however, having experience riding a bike here.
 
2013-06-06 12:10:19 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: But but Manhattan has special challenges, such as a grid system that makes it easier to navigate most of the city! And crosswalks! And pavement! Come on guys, believe me! It's so much harder to bike here than it is literally any other city in the world because it's MY CITY!

Sh*t, the first city I ever biked seriously in was London. That place is harder to navigate than almost any other city I've ever been to.

not talking about getting lost, dumbass. Also, it is illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk in NYC. You would know that, however, having experience riding a bike here.


Where did I say anything about sidewalks?
 
2013-06-06 12:13:15 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I didn't say that "every tourist" would be from there. It's just ludicrous to posit that bicycling in Manhattan would A) be done by rubes from Iowa, they'll take the bus or subway and B) is any different from any other large city in the world. Manhattan is not the only city with "congestion"


A) really? Honestly? Who the fark do you think is renting all these bikes in Columbus Circle? I get run over almost daily by some dickwad riding a rented bike on the sidewalk. Difference is you get a farking helmet when you rent one of those. You also make the assumption that the majority of tourists renting bikes have experience biking in very congested cities with a lot of traffic. Otherwise, why the fark would talking about "other cities have streets" make any farking sense?
 
2013-06-06 12:14:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: But but Manhattan has special challenges, such as a grid system that makes it easier to navigate most of the city! And crosswalks! And pavement! Come on guys, believe me! It's so much harder to bike here than it is literally any other city in the world because it's MY CITY!

Sh*t, the first city I ever biked seriously in was London. That place is harder to navigate than almost any other city I've ever been to.

not talking about getting lost, dumbass. Also, it is illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk in NYC. You would know that, however, having experience riding a bike here.

Where did I say anything about sidewalks?


isn't that what you meant by "pavement"? You were using "pavement" as a way that biking in NYC is easier. I know you're from Buffalo but I am pretty sure you rubes have paved roads too
 
2013-06-06 12:14:48 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: I didn't say that "every tourist" would be from there. It's just ludicrous to posit that bicycling in Manhattan would A) be done by rubes from Iowa, they'll take the bus or subway and B) is any different from any other large city in the world. Manhattan is not the only city with "congestion"

A) really? Honestly? Who the fark do you think is renting all these bikes in Columbus Circle? I get run over almost daily by some dickwad riding a rented bike on the sidewalk. Difference is you get a farking helmet when you rent one of those. You also make the assumption that the majority of tourists renting bikes have experience biking in very congested cities with a lot of traffic. Otherwise, why the fark would talking about "other cities have streets" make any farking sense?


Right. Do you think that Manhattan is the only city in the country or the world that deals with congestion problems? Seriously?
 
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