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(Slate)   The Kennedy dynasty: famous for their prior roles as President, ambassadors, senators and dignitaries of various high offices; now gaining notoriety as anti-science, anti-vaxxer nutcases extraordinaire. Wait, what?   (slate.com) divider line 69
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2013-06-06 07:45:44 AM  
This deeply saddens me.

It was John Kennedy that put us on a crash course with the Moon, and kickstarted space science as more than just an odd little sideshow in the US.

How far the family has fallen.
 
2013-06-06 07:58:17 AM  
Bobby Jr. is also big on the no-nukes-anywhere-because-TSUNAMI stoopid circuit, but the greens in Westchester still hit their knees for him.
 
2013-06-06 08:11:15 AM  
One guy is the Kennedy dynasty now? What about the other guy,  you know the one who is an actual elected official?
 
2013-06-06 08:16:05 AM  

hardinparamedic: This deeply saddens me.

It was John Kennedy that put us on a crash course with the Moon, and kickstarted space science as more than just an odd little sideshow in the US.

How far the family has fallen.


Yeah, but that was more of a response to the fear of the soviet domination of space.
 
2013-06-06 08:18:24 AM  
I always thought the clan after the RFK and JFK were self-absorbed, greedy douchebags; much like the Baby Boomer generation that idolized them.
 
2013-06-06 08:18:55 AM  
I preferred them as bootleggers.  It's honest work.
 
2013-06-06 08:21:38 AM  
I am sure he will be dead soon given the track record of kennedy males (sans uncle ted)
 
2013-06-06 08:22:48 AM  

WTF Indeed: I always thought the clan after the RFK and JFK were self-absorbed, greedy douchebags; much like the Baby Boomer generation that idolized them.


Baby Boomers are truly history's greatest monsters.

That's about as true, and defensible, as "gay marriage threatens my marriage."
 
2013-06-06 08:26:02 AM  

Gulper Eel: Bobby Jr. is also big on the no-nukes-anywhere-because-TSUNAMI stoopid circuit, but the greens in Westchester still hit their knees for him.


Those are no  moons greens; those are space stations NIMBYs.
 
2013-06-06 08:27:33 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I preferred them as bootleggers.  It's honest work.


Tom? Tom Buchanan? Is that you?
 
2013-06-06 08:28:16 AM  

hardinparamedic: This deeply saddens me.

It was John Kennedy that put us on a crash course with the Moon, and kickstarted space science as more than just an odd little sideshow in the US.

How far the family has fallen.


He also put us on a crash course with vietnam.
 
2013-06-06 08:29:43 AM  

MugzyBrown: hardinparamedic: This deeply saddens me.

It was John Kennedy that put us on a crash course with the Moon, and kickstarted space science as more than just an odd little sideshow in the US.

How far the family has fallen.

He also put us on a crash course with vietnam.


If only we had elected Richard Nixon in 1960.
 
2013-06-06 08:31:11 AM  

MugzyBrown: hardinparamedic: This deeply saddens me.

It was John Kennedy that put us on a crash course with the Moon, and kickstarted space science as more than just an odd little sideshow in the US.

How far the family has fallen.

He also put us on a crash course with vietnam.


He also almost caused us to get into a nuclear war with the Soviets.  Thank God Kruschev had a cooler head.

I can't remember who came up with the idea, but invariably a family will revert to the mean average over time. A few generations of exceptional people will tend to be balanced out by a few generations of tards.
 
2013-06-06 08:31:28 AM  
What an asshole.
 
2013-06-06 08:31:33 AM  

Kibbler: Baby Boomers are truly history's greatest monsters.


No, that's Generation X. Boomers will just destroy all the thing their parents' generation built out of shear greed and a generational preference for short term goals over long term goals.
 
2013-06-06 08:33:21 AM  

WTF Indeed: No, that's Generation X. Boomers will just destroy all the thing their parents' generation built out of shear greed and a generational preference for short term goals over long term goals.


I can't wait to hear what my grandkids' friends have to say about me.
 
2013-06-06 08:33:27 AM  

ib_thinkin: Those are no moons greens; those are space stations NIMBYs.


They're more BANANAs (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anybody*) if you ask me.


* - exceptions, of course, if they want a personal helipad built on their estate and don't care how much property has to be clear-cut to do it
 
2013-06-06 08:35:02 AM  
He sounds like a piece of shiat.
 
2013-06-06 08:35:06 AM  

WTF Indeed: Kibbler: Baby Boomers are truly history's greatest monsters.

No, that's Generation X. Boomers will just destroy all the thing their parents' generation built out of shear greed and a generational preference for short term goals over long term goals.


Cling to your cheap cliches.
 
2013-06-06 08:39:24 AM  

nocturnal001: I can't remember who came up with the idea, but invariably a family will revert to the mean average over time. A few generations of exceptional people will tend to be balanced out by a few generations of tards.


So you're saying the Jets are going to draft Trey Griffey out of Arizona and he'll spend three years dropping every pass thrown his way?
 
2013-06-06 08:47:58 AM  

nocturnal001: He also almost caused us to get into a nuclear war with the Soviets.  Thank God Kruschev had a cooler head.

I can't remember who came up with the idea, but invariably a family will revert to the mean average over time. A few generations of exceptional people will tend to be balanced out by a few generations of tards.


My grandfather idolized JFK. He was part of the Camp David staff during the administration, and spoke nothing but highly of the man.

We've still got some stuff that was gifted to him by the JFK family hanging up at my Grandparents house.

i41.tinypic.com

i41.tinypic.com

i44.tinypic.com

For the inevitable "You're so full of shiat, those are computer printout" people:

i42.tinypic.com

See those two medals at top? WHSB and PSB
 
2013-06-06 08:48:06 AM  

Kibbler: Cling to your cheap cliches.


Man, and they say Generation Y can't take criticism...
 
2013-06-06 08:50:01 AM  
This is, err ah, wicked weird.
 
2013-06-06 08:50:50 AM  
Headline:  The Kennedy dynasty ...
TFA: Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

But I'm sure every family member shares identical political beliefs, which they hash out over Thanksgiving dinner.
 
2013-06-06 08:51:36 AM  

Arkanaut: Headline:  The Kennedy dynasty ...
TFA: Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

But I'm sure every family member shares identical political beliefs, which they hash out over Thanksgiving dinner.


RFK has been a nutbag for several years.

IIRC, he's the guy that tried to get the TDAP and MMR vaccines banned by the FDA.
 
2013-06-06 08:53:07 AM  
Article was OK until it got political at the end. When the author had the vapors over Dems being into antivax and anti GMO, you could hear him fanning himself before he swooned.
 
2013-06-06 08:54:06 AM  

hardinparamedic: Arkanaut: Headline:  The Kennedy dynasty ...
TFA: Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

But I'm sure every family member shares identical political beliefs, which they hash out over Thanksgiving dinner.

RFK has been a nutbag for several years.

IIRC, he's the guy that tried to get the TDAP and MMR vaccines banned by the FDA.


And rightfully so. The minor risk that you'll contract measles/mumps/rubella and incur brain damage requiring you to spend the rest of your life drooling in a County Home is SO worth avoiding the minor risk of autism.

See that?  Even when you GRANT the anti-vaxxers that there's a chance that autism might occur, logic commands that you still get vaccinated.
 
2013-06-06 08:55:37 AM  
Incidentally, there's virtually no divide between left and right on the overall safety of vaccines, although you're slightly more likely to say vaccines shouldn't be required if you're an independent:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/04/27/more-polli ng -data-on-the-politics-of-vaccine-resistance/
 
2013-06-06 08:56:25 AM  

Arkanaut: Incidentally, there's virtually no divide between left and right on the overall safety of vaccines, although you're slightly more likely to say vaccines shouldn't be required if you're an independent:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/04/27/more-polli ng -data-on-the-politics-of-vaccine-resistance/


Anti-vaccination is one of those derps that crosses party lines. Although the reasons for it tend to vary depending on what political denomination you subscribe to.
 
2013-06-06 09:04:25 AM  
The dynasty of hundreds of folks is gaining notoriety as being anti-Science / anti-vaxxers because of one person?  Subby, I can see you didn't clearly think your derp through.
 
2013-06-06 09:06:26 AM  

Arkanaut: Incidentally, there's virtually no divide between left and right on the overall safety of vaccines, although you're slightly more likely to say vaccines shouldn't be required if you're an independent:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/04/27/more-polli ng -data-on-the-politics-of-vaccine-resistance/


Incidentally, lots of Americans are complete and utter morons.  Who is going to vaccinate the Earth from allowing this retarded, knuckle-dragging filth to procreate?
 
2013-06-06 09:10:34 AM  
One guy is not the entire dynasty. Most Kennedys are busy yachting and clipping coupons, like the rest of the idle rich. As a public figure this guy is open to criticism, but trying to tar the entire clan with a broad brush of anti-science nutcases seems pointless, sensationalist and easily disproven. Emphasis on "pointless." Or perhaps, "desperate."
 
2013-06-06 09:12:16 AM  
Well, they were rather difficult to program in some ways.

www.netbsd.org
 
2013-06-06 09:12:27 AM  

Arkanaut: Incidentally, there's virtually no divide between left and right on the overall safety of vaccines, although you're slightly more likely to say vaccines shouldn't be required if you're an independent:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/04/27/more-polli ng -data-on-the-politics-of-vaccine-resistance/


If this country ever ran out of junk food, we'd be eating each other in about three weeks.
 
2013-06-06 09:17:35 AM  
The increased incidence of autism is related to an increased diagnosis of what used to simply be referred to as "retardation" a few generations ago.  A higher incidence of autism actually relates to better science in identifying the specific mental conditions related to development delays and socialization.  So not necessarily a bad thing.
 
2013-06-06 09:20:55 AM  

mrshowrules: The increased incidence of autism is related to an increased diagnosis of what used to simply be referred to as "retardation" a few generations ago.  A higher incidence of autism actually relates to better science in identifying the specific mental conditions related to development delays and socialization.  So not necessarily a bad thing.


BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TOXINS AND MERCURY AND THINGS?
 
2013-06-06 09:21:10 AM  

mrshowrules: The increased incidence of autism is related to an increased diagnosis of what used to simply be referred to as "retardation" a few generations ago.  A higher incidence of autism actually relates to better science in identifying the specific mental conditions related to development delays and socialization.  So not necessarily a bad thing.


The really frightening and heartbreaking thing is that we have entire generations of people who were forever lost because they were labeled as "retarded" or "delinquents" when they actually had Autism Spectrum Disorders which would have responded well to treatment that they would get today as early as preschool, once identified.

Countless numbers of them were shuffled into institutions and juvenile homes because of this.
 
2013-06-06 09:21:15 AM  
This means the Kennedys are stoopid libs.
 
2013-06-06 09:27:44 AM  
I first met this guy in the early 70s when I worked on the McGovern campaign. At the time he wasn't doing much more than selling weed. He was an arrogant asshole, but people cut him a lot of slack because they loved his father, who had died not too long ago.

Then I ran into him when he was in law school at UVA in the late 70s, and he was even more arrogant and thoroughly unpleasant. He was also a heroin addict at the time.

Even if he hadn't been a Kennedy, I'd still have remembered him as a major jerk. He pretty much turned me off to the entire family.
 
2013-06-06 09:29:46 AM  

hardinparamedic: Anti-vaccination is one of those derps that crosses party lines. Although the reasons for it tend to vary depending on what political denomination you subscribe to.


I disagree. The reason for it is always stupidity. Just plain old "ass or a hole in the ground?" stupidity.
 
2013-06-06 09:31:52 AM  

hardinparamedic: mrshowrules: The increased incidence of autism is related to an increased diagnosis of what used to simply be referred to as "retardation" a few generations ago.  A higher incidence of autism actually relates to better science in identifying the specific mental conditions related to development delays and socialization.  So not necessarily a bad thing.

The really frightening and heartbreaking thing is that we have entire generations of people who were forever lost because they were labeled as "retarded" or "delinquents" when they actually had Autism Spectrum Disorders which would have responded well to treatment that they would get today as early as preschool, once identified.

Countless numbers of them were shuffled into institutions and juvenile homes because of this.


I was raised in Quebec.  You want heartbreaking,  read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplessis_Orphans
 
2013-06-06 09:32:38 AM  

thurstonxhowell: I disagree. The reason for it is always stupidity. Just plain old "ass or a hole in the ground?" stupidity.


Agreed, but there is a difference in the stupidity

Left-Winged Anti-Vaxxers tend to float conspiracies about coverups, profit mongering by the Big Pharma, and the toxin gambits.
Right-Wingers tend to float "Personal Freedom" BS and the Religious crap.
 
2013-06-06 09:33:34 AM  

nocturnal001: MugzyBrown: hardinparamedic: This deeply saddens me.

It was John Kennedy that put us on a crash course with the Moon, and kickstarted space science as more than just an odd little sideshow in the US.

How far the family has fallen.

He also put us on a crash course with vietnam.

He also almost caused us to get into a nuclear war with the Soviets.  Thank God Kruschev had a cooler head.

I can't remember who came up with the idea, but invariably a family will revert to the mean average over time. A few generations of exceptional people will tend to be balanced out by a few generations of tards.


Regression to the mean is frequently used this way and it bothers me.

It's fundamentally about how, if you're measuring something with random fluctuations and get a high value, you'll soon get a balancing low value, so that the average of your measurements starts to approach the true mean.

If people picked mates randomly, picked child-rearing strategies randomly, and were assigned socio-economic status randomly, then, yes, all families would over several generations approach the mean. But they don't.
 
2013-06-06 09:36:25 AM  

hardinparamedic: The really frightening and heartbreaking thing is that we have entire generations of people who were forever lost because they were labeled as "retarded" or "delinquents" when they actually had Autism Spectrum Disorders which would have responded well to treatment that they would get today as early as preschool, once identified.

Countless numbers of them were shuffled into institutions and juvenile homes because of this.


And sometimes they were lobotomized - like Rosemary Kennedy.

Barbarically stupid medical decisions seem to be another recurring Kennedy family specialty.
 
2013-06-06 09:40:04 AM  
Kennedy Dynasty? Anti-vaxxer?

images.thehollywoodgossip.com


Makes perfect sense.

/hot pic is hot
 
2013-06-06 09:40:16 AM  
Another way to say it is that it may be true that the family regresses to the mean for Kennedys over the long term, but not the larger population, which makes it kind of a pointless statement.
 
2013-06-06 09:41:55 AM  
A Kennedy saying something retarded?

You don't say?

The old lion may have killed a girl, but this kid is going to have a much higher (albeit indirect) body count
 
2013-06-06 09:42:41 AM  
Our little Vietnam experience was a JFK production.
There's a reason the Green Beret headquarters is called the JFK Special Warfare Center and School.
Generational degeneracy is pretty normal among wealthy families.

/Special.
//We are very special.
 
2013-06-06 09:45:37 AM  

ib_thinkin: mrshowrules: The increased incidence of autism is related to an increased diagnosis of what used to simply be referred to as "retardation" a few generations ago.  A higher incidence of autism actually relates to better science in identifying the specific mental conditions related to development delays and socialization.  So not necessarily a bad thing.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TOXINS AND MERCURY AND THINGS?


AND THE STUFF!  DON'T FORGET THE STUFF!
 
2013-06-06 09:49:30 AM  

hardinparamedic: This deeply saddens me.

It was John Kennedy that put us on a crash course with the Moon, and kickstarted space science as more than just an odd little sideshow in the US.

How far the family has fallen.


fark the boozing philanderers.  The only good Kennedy is a dead Kennedy, especially Ted.
 
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