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(Guardian)   The Obama Administration is collecting data from Verizon. Which data? All of it   ( guardian.co.uk) divider line
    More: Scary, NSA, Obama administration, Americans, telephone tapping, intelligence assessment, Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, domestic spying, Ron Wyden  
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2013-06-06 12:00:22 AM  
Well thats not a good thing.
 
2013-06-06 12:02:29 AM  
All your data are belong to us.
 
2013-06-06 12:03:27 AM  
Verizon stock sell off in 3....2....
 
2013-06-06 12:04:49 AM  
Props to subby for linking to the piece instead of a piece about a piece on a blog linked by the Examiner.
 
2013-06-06 12:07:08 AM  
This is do f'ed up.  They need to ax the Patriot Act and all this other BS spying on US citizens.

/Queue the "But they aren't listening, just collecting location and IMEI numbers.  Don't worry if you don't have anything to hide," cowards.
 
2013-06-06 12:09:38 AM  
I'm sure this stops somewhere short of the WH, right?
 
2013-06-06 12:11:40 AM  

studs up: I'm sure this stops somewhere short of the WH, right?


They got something called a 'Warrant', which is more than the previous guy did.

Now I'm open to the suggestion that a 'Secret Panel Of Judges' is inherently unAmerican, but it's been that way for 40 years.
 
2013-06-06 12:12:14 AM  

Altair: Verizon stock sell off in 3....2....


Oh noes! Whatever will they do? I am sure they are so scared of this!
 
2013-06-06 12:12:23 AM  
Alex Jones looks saner every day
 
2013-06-06 12:12:52 AM  
Let them.

I'm sure the signal-to-noise ratio will ensure they'll never find anything worth looking at, even if it is in there, which it probably isn't.
 
2013-06-06 12:13:19 AM  

studs up: I'm sure this stops somewhere short of the WH, right?


Yep.  And I'm sure you were JUST AS CONCERNED about all this happening under the Bush Administration and the Patriot Act, right?

RIGHT?
 
2013-06-06 12:13:50 AM  

Texas Gabe: Alex Jones looks saner every day


No he doesn't.
 
2013-06-06 12:15:07 AM  
I'm betting that the order is limited to a specific person or persons. Their identities are in the FBI's original request for a rubber stamping.  They are not named in this order because... well, someone might steal and leak this tippy-top secret order.  Best to have sensitive details in only one document and reference them indirectly.

No, it's not the regular court procedure.  This is FISA Court.
 
2013-06-06 12:15:36 AM  
Great.  Now even Obama knows I don't have many friends.
 
2013-06-06 12:16:45 AM  
While I certainly don't know WHY they went after Verizon, and for a three-month period only, but I might postulate that they want to test run software and servers at the NSA's shiny new toy in Utah, which is supposed to open for business in September.
 
2013-06-06 12:17:21 AM  
I hope the FBI finds out who's been trying to sell me a Florida timeshare and throws his ass in Gitmo.
 
2013-06-06 12:17:55 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Altair: Verizon stock sell off in 3....2....

Oh noes! Whatever will they do? I am sure they are so scared of this!


It's not in any way Verizon's fault, but you are mistaken if you do not think their subscriber base will shrink at least a tiny bit from this.  Any public company would be concerned with a hit to their stock from a public relations issue.
 
2013-06-06 12:19:08 AM  
If you've got nothing to hide then what are you afraid of?

It's called the Patriot act for a reason. Be one.
 
2013-06-06 12:20:07 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: studs up: I'm sure this stops somewhere short of the WH, right?

Yep.  And I'm sure you were JUST AS CONCERNED about all this happening under the Bush Administration and the Patriot Act, right?

RIGHT?


Shut the F up.  Why do you have to make this about R vs. D?  It is happening at it should be enough to outrage you regardless of who is in office.  Gotta justify "your team" though, eh?  Make the whole situation more palatable for you?
 
2013-06-06 12:20:17 AM  
 
2013-06-06 12:20:23 AM  
Verizon stock took a hit this week before the news even broke.  Insider trading? ;)

https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:VZ&sa=X&ei=hg2wUcqNG-zM0gGduIGo D Q&ved=0CC4Q2AE">https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:VZ&sa=X&ei=hg2w UcqNG-zM0gGduIGoD Q&ved=0CC4Q2AE
 
2013-06-06 12:21:09 AM  

powhound: While I certainly don't know WHY they went after Verizon, and for a three-month period only, but I might postulate that they want to test run software and servers at the NSA's shiny new toy in Utah, which is supposed to open for business in September.


I'm sure all the other us telecoms have received similar court order's this is probably the only one leaked as of yet.
 
2013-06-06 12:22:06 AM  
I'm just wondering why they would need info on every single call made on Verizon? It's not like everyone using Verizon is a terrorist...

This should be an interesting story to keep tabs on...
 
2013-06-06 12:22:56 AM  

Tellingthem: I'm just wondering why they would need info on every single call made on Verizon? It's not like everyone using Verizon is a terrorist...

This should be an interesting story to keep tabs on...


As mentioned above, the Verizon court order is probably just the only one that leaked.  There could be more for other carriers.
 
2013-06-06 12:23:48 AM  

Brontes: Satanic_Hamster: studs up: I'm sure this stops somewhere short of the WH, right?

Yep.  And I'm sure you were JUST AS CONCERNED about all this happening under the Bush Administration and the Patriot Act, right?

RIGHT?

Shut the F up.  Why do you have to make this about R vs. D?  It is happening at it should be enough to outrage you regardless of who is in office.  Gotta justify "your team" though, eh?  Make the whole situation more palatable for you?


I'm not sure what the equivalency is? The previous administration asked to look at records without a warrant or subpoena., 3 of the telecoms let them, and 1 told them to get a subpoena, which oddly enough never happened.

 Verizon is complying with a court order in this case.
 
2013-06-06 12:24:14 AM  
Can you fear me now?
 
2013-06-06 12:25:29 AM  

Republican Catchphrase Cargo Cult: If you've got nothing to hide then what are you afraid of?

It's called the Patriot act for a reason. Be one.


damn you're good
 
2013-06-06 12:26:19 AM  
*insert video montage of Breaking Bad characters destroying throw away cell phones here*
 
2013-06-06 12:27:57 AM  

Altair: Tellingthem: I'm just wondering why they would need info on every single call made on Verizon? It's not like everyone using Verizon is a terrorist...

This should be an interesting story to keep tabs on...

As mentioned above, the Verizon court order is probably just the only one that leaked.  There could be more for other carriers.


Thanks. Yeah i really didn't think before typing that one out. Well I'm sure it's one of those weird not a big deal but still kind of a big deal stories anyway. The media is already booking all the talking heads and getting ready for this weeks whatever-gate-scandal-thingy.
 
2013-06-06 12:28:35 AM  
speaklibertynow.com
 
2013-06-06 12:29:03 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-06 12:30:07 AM  
Under the terms of the blanket order, the numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data,

Location data of every call on Verizons network? Scalia's gonna flip his shiat.
 
2013-06-06 12:30:10 AM  
I said this was bad under Bush.  It's still bad and has to stop.
 
2013-06-06 12:31:59 AM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: [speaklibertynow.com image 665x400]


Somebody went before a panel of judges, swore an oath, said why they wanted to look at the records, and a warrant was issued.
 
2013-06-06 12:33:59 AM  

Pichu0102: [i.imgur.com image 500x373]


I see this has been covered
 
2013-06-06 12:35:00 AM  
Electronic data is too cheap and easy to collect. Eventually you'll sign a waiver on your rights in your TOS.
You want privacy, use the USPS.
 
2013-06-06 12:37:37 AM  
 
2013-06-06 12:37:44 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Electronic data is too cheap and easy to collect. Eventually you'll sign a waiver on your rights in your TOS.
You want privacy, use the USPS.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-06 12:38:21 AM  
The NSA has been into scary Orwellian shiat from day 1 of their existence.  They spy on the American people because the CIA is generally barred from snooping on American soil, and they've gotten around it by claiming it's ok because they are doing signals intelligence, not flesh'n'blood spycraft.  It's only a little tap on your phone, it won't hurt.

This is nasty, yet unsurprising.  Here's to hoping that this going public leads to some crocodile tears on the part of the Obama administration followed by at least a token effort to reign in some of this bullshiat.

/not holding my breath.
 
2013-06-06 12:39:54 AM  
 
2013-06-06 12:40:49 AM  
justlinda.net
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-06 12:40:52 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Electronic data is too cheap and easy to collect. Eventually you'll sign a waiver on your rights in your TOS.
You want privacy, use the USPS.


Well, there's this.

Look, people, I'm as gung-ho for privacy as anyone can be, but otoh, I also don't go spreading my personal info all over the Intertubes. If you'd prefer not to have the government spying on your life, don't go making it easy for them. Keep your online profile as small as possible--it's really not that difficult. You're not REQUIRED to tell them everything about yourself, you know.
 
2013-06-06 12:42:28 AM  

Brontes: Shut the F up. Why do you have to make this about R vs. D? It is happening at it should be enough to outrage you regardless of who is in office. Gotta justify "your team" though, eh? Make the whole situation more palatable for you?


More:  When a well known right wing shrill account starts crying about something that's been going on for two administrations, they got no credibility.  When you cry bloody murder because Obama ate crackers on a sunny day it calls in the veracity of your complaints about this latest action.

<----- True fark indy, not affiliated with either party
 
2013-06-06 12:43:17 AM  
This shiat has been my biggest disappointment with the Obama administration. They haven't ramped the surveillance down - not even a little bit. Of course, I'm under no illusions that a Republican administration would have been any better.
 
2013-06-06 12:47:34 AM  
How can "at least they got a warrant this time" make you feel better?! That doesn't make it better! Stopping shiat like this is why we wanted them to ask for warrants in the first place! So a judge could look at the request, look at the lawyers, look at the request, look at the lawyer, then in his crotchedy old man's voice utter "You seriously expect me to grant you this bullshiat?" (Also, the judge is Tommy Lee Jones.)
 
2013-06-06 12:50:20 AM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: This shiat has been my biggest disappointment with the Obama administration. They haven't ramped the surveillance down - not even a little bit. Of course, I'm under no illusions that a Republican administration would have been any better.


Yeah, it is times like these when those crazy Libertarians are looking pretty good.  An R or D with just a streak of libertarianism would be nice in the White House.
 
2013-06-06 12:51:55 AM  

MFAWG: studs up: I'm sure this stops somewhere short of the WH, right?

They got something called a 'Warrant', which is more than the previous guy did.

Now I'm open to the suggestion that a 'Secret Panel Of Judges' is inherently unAmerican, but it's been that way for 40 years.


Are you seriously still playing the "Bush did it, so its okay" card?

Go to the blackboard and write 400 times:  "George W Bush was a horrible president and Obama should not pattern himself after him"

Then try another line of logic defending this crap.  This is unacceptable.  There is no argument to the contrary.
 
2013-06-06 12:52:16 AM  

thenino85: How can "at least they got a warrant this time" make you feel better?! That doesn't make it better! Stopping shiat like this is why we wanted them to ask for warrants in the first place! So a judge could look at the request, look at the lawyers, look at the request, look at the lawyer, then in his crotchedy old man's voice utter "You seriously expect me to grant you this bullshiat?" (Also, the judge is Tommy Lee Jones.)


I have it on good authority that your BFF Jill is not only coming for a sleepover, but she's linked ot Al Qaeda. We'll need to monitor all. the. data.
 
2013-06-06 12:53:37 AM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: This shiat has been my biggest disappointment with the Obama administration. They haven't ramped the surveillance down - not even a little bit. Of course, I'm under no illusions that a Republican administration would have been any better.


The Executive branch has had this power for decades. And the kind of person who would actually get RID of this power is too far to the left to win a Presidential election.
 
2013-06-06 12:54:47 AM  

McFnord: Under the terms of the blanket order, the numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data,

Location data of every call on Verizons network? Scalia's gonna flip his shiat.


Yep.  This "Metadata" is not something the government or anyone should have on you.
 
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