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2013-06-05 05:59:52 PM  
That's one way to avoid getting questions you don't want to answer.
 
2013-06-05 06:44:08 PM  
Word from a dev friend is MS is considering incorporating commercials into Xbox Live. Maybe they don't want to have to answer questions on that.
 
2013-06-05 06:45:37 PM  
I love Forza, and Forza 5's trailer looks great, but the next XBox looks so disappointing.

There's basically no competition from Sony any more in terms of racing sims.  Gran Turismo's developers have stuck their heads up their asses and refuse to pull them out.

So that only leaves PC sims, and not one of them has anything close to the total package.  iRacing has gobs of tracks but hardly any cars.  And it's expensive as hell.  rFactor and all the rest are old as hell and look terrible compared to current graphics.

Racing gamers are boned.
 
rpm
2013-06-05 06:46:05 PM  

digistil: Word from a dev friend is MS is considering incorporating commercials into Xbox Live. Maybe they don't want to have to answer questions on that.


Considering? What are all those things labelled "advertisement" that have been there for years, chopped liver?
 
2013-06-05 06:48:05 PM  

rpm: digistil: Word from a dev friend is MS is considering incorporating commercials into Xbox Live. Maybe they don't want to have to answer questions on that.

Considering? What are all those things labelled "advertisement" that have been there for years, chopped liver?


Commercials, as in "Watch this 15 second commercial for Tide" while CoD connects to the match.
 
2013-06-05 06:55:05 PM  

digistil: rpm: digistil: Word from a dev friend is MS is considering incorporating commercials into Xbox Live. Maybe they don't want to have to answer questions on that.

Considering? What are all those things labelled "advertisement" that have been there for years, chopped liver?

Commercials, as in "Watch this 15 second commercial for Tide" while CoD connects to the match.


Oh FOCK YOU!  I already have to pay a yearly fee to use your G*d-D@mn online network and now you are subjecting me with commercials?  What are they smoking because that shiat is making them higher than my blood pressure.
 
2013-06-05 07:03:57 PM  
The XBone is fast becoming the "Gigli" of gaming consoles
 
2013-06-05 07:05:22 PM  
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CRISWELL PREDICTS:

"The long lines and lack of on-shelf lack of product that plagued the 360 roll-out will not recur; Huge crowds will stand in great circles, scuffing their shoes in the dust, mumbling, "No - you go first...""
 
2013-06-05 07:08:12 PM  

PsyLord: digistil: rpm: digistil: Word from a dev friend is MS is considering incorporating commercials into Xbox Live. Maybe they don't want to have to answer questions on that.

Considering? What are all those things labelled "advertisement" that have been there for years, chopped liver?

Commercials, as in "Watch this 15 second commercial for Tide" while CoD connects to the match.

Oh FOCK YOU!  I already have to pay a yearly fee to use your G*d-D@mn online network and now you are subjecting me with commercials?  What are they smoking because that shiat is making them higher than my blood pressure.


You might want to calm down. This is the way of things to come.
 
2013-06-05 07:11:59 PM  
Well, I guess it's back to PC gaming. Hell, I still have the original Humble Bundle games I haven't played through.
 
2013-06-05 07:12:44 PM  

waterrockets: This is the way of things to come.


#dealwithit

/I will #dealwithit by not buying your console.
 
2013-06-05 07:19:05 PM  

skinink: Well, I guess it's back to PC gaming. Hell, I still have the original Humble Bundle games I haven't played through.


I strongly recommend Fez. It's a really creative platformer with some serious puzzles. Not twitchy puzzles. Brainmelty puzzles.
 
2013-06-05 07:22:50 PM  
I'm already opting out of the new Xbox because of the daily connection requirements but calm down guys. You're getting worked up over a Fark comment.
 
2013-06-05 07:29:26 PM  

picturescrazy: I'm already opting out of the new Xbox because of the daily connection requirements but calm down guys. You're getting worked up over a Fark comment.


But if it happened it wouldn't surprise you, would it?

This is going to end up as a case study on how to completely sink your business.
 
2013-06-05 07:55:18 PM  
I'm thinking about jumping into PC gaming, but I like JRPGs and they just don't make those for PC.

Atlus and NIS have released a few games on Steam, but ports of PSP games I've already played years before isn't really choice, you know?

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE JRPG FANS?!?!?

//Half Minute Hero is an amazing game, by the way.
 
2013-06-05 07:56:45 PM  

Klivian: picturescrazy: I'm already opting out of the new Xbox because of the daily connection requirements but calm down guys. You're getting worked up over a Fark comment.

But if it happened it wouldn't surprise you, would it?

This is going to end up as a case study on how to completely sink your business.


You mean like Snakes on a Plane became the highest grossing film of all time, Ron Paul is President and everyone left Fark shortly after the last site redesign?

The next XBox will probably perform less well than previous versions, and some of the dubious/anti-consumer decisions they seem to be pushing will contribute to it, but a large chunk of the user base will just buy the latest iteration without any real consideration or investigation, and the developers will move over and it will do okay but probably not really grow the user base much (but probably it won't shrink much either).
 
2013-06-05 07:58:04 PM  

PsyLord: digistil: rpm: digistil: Word from a dev friend is MS is considering incorporating commercials into Xbox Live. Maybe they don't want to have to answer questions on that.

Considering? What are all those things labelled "advertisement" that have been there for years, chopped liver?

Commercials, as in "Watch this 15 second commercial for Tide" while CoD connects to the match.

Oh FOCK YOU!  I already have to pay a yearly fee to use your G*d-D@mn online network and now you are subjecting me with commercials?  What are they smoking because that shiat is making them higher than my blood pressure.


You realize that initially cable TV didn't have advertisements right?  That's why you had to pay for it.  Why exactly do we pay for TV now to have the privilege of watching commercials?
 
2013-06-05 08:03:46 PM  
Well, that is one way to not inspire confidence in your product.
 
2013-06-05 08:07:51 PM  
Let's save some time here.

"whatever, you nerds will buy it anyway...unlike me, I'm totally not a nerd even though I'm posting on a web aggregator site in a video game thread"
or
"all of these are just baseless rumors, no way it will happen"
or
"PC gaming is superior, mouse and keyboard ftw"
or
"Well, MS won't get any of my money ever!"

Am I missing any?
 
2013-06-05 08:12:04 PM  

nocturnal001: Let's save some time here.

"whatever, you nerds will buy it anyway...unlike me, I'm totally not a nerd even though I'm posting on a web aggregator site in a video game thread"
or
"all of these are just baseless rumors, no way it will happen"
or
"PC gaming is superior, mouse and keyboard ftw"
or
"Well, MS won't get any of my money ever!"

Am I missing any?


"B..b..but Sony! They're just as bad; in fact both sides are both so vote buy Xbone"
 
2013-06-05 08:12:30 PM  

nocturnal001: Let's save some time here.

"whatever, you nerds will buy it anyway...unlike me, I'm totally not a nerd even though I'm posting on a web aggregator site in a video game thread"
or
"all of these are just baseless rumors, no way it will happen"
or
"PC gaming is superior, mouse and keyboard ftw"
or
"Well, MS won't get any of my money ever!"

Am I missing any?


My personal favorite: "Ugh, Micro$oft is screwing over all of us who like to buy and sell used games, so I'll stick with PC and buying games on Steam:"
 
2013-06-05 08:20:32 PM  
Either MicroSoft is running some really elaborate troll, or the people running the company had their brains replaced with tapioca pudding.
 
2013-06-05 08:37:29 PM  
Kotaku complains about this kind of stuff. They've created a site where it's better to publish a rumor than confirmed fact in an industry long dominated by NDAs. Then they whine that they don't get enough access, when their 45 minute publishing deadlines and desire to control speculation are really to blame.

The trouble is, the industry's too volatile and the fans (not necessarily the customers) are too entitled. Projects get abandoned, postponed, shelved and straight up cancelled, and it's better that the public doesn't know about it. People are still mad about Mega Man Legends, impatient with FF Versus 13, and would be worse about Duke Nukem 4 if it hadn't come out and been universally recognized as a massive turd.

I'm getting to a point here. No news isn't bad news, but it always is according to game blogs. If you ask a blogger, the reason you're not hearing about xbox one is because they're busy making it worse. They say that because that lights up flame wars and hit counters and gets ad dollars.

It could easily be the other way. MS might actually want to rethink the ideas that caused the backlash (or maybe get their message consistent), but they can't announce anything because there are too many people to please.
 
2013-06-05 08:42:32 PM  
A lot of people said, if they didn't know anything about how the tech would work or if they didn't want to answer any questions about it, then why even have a press Q and A?

The response to that shouldn't be, OK from now on we won't have any more.
 
2013-06-05 08:44:49 PM  

xria: The next XBox will probably perform less well than previous versions, and some of the dubious/anti-consumer decisions they seem to be pushing will contribute to it, but a large chunk of the user base will just buy the latest iteration without any real consideration or investigation, and the developers will move over and it will do okay but probably not really grow the user base much (but probably it won't shrink much either).


DRM is not the XBone's problem. Xbox 360 is the Xbone's problem. Tons of 360s were sold last christmas and the year before, and it's going to be hell getting people to switch when third parties are still putting out high rated games for the "old" platform, including "lesser" (and cheaper, I hear) versions of the latest "next-gen" games.
 
2013-06-05 08:47:27 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: Either MicroSoft is running some really elaborate troll, or the people running the company had their brains replaced with tapioca pudding.


Didn't the head of the Xbox division bow out/get fired last year? I doubt these two things are unrelated.
 
2013-06-05 08:51:14 PM  
You know, I've never played Space Quest. Or Shivers. Or Dark Cloud. Or any Harvest Moon game. Or... you know, i think I'll be fine without these new consoles.

/not that I've abandoned Sony, still plan on getting a PS3 for Ni No Kuni at least.
 
2013-06-05 08:53:11 PM  
The drama itself surrounding these upcoming console releases is ~almost~ entertainment enough for me. I still think people will buy these consoles, in droves, and support this new gaming model. But as a consumer of used & discounted games I see myself sitting this one out unless there is an about face on blatant MS/Sony(?) cash grab. I understand profit needs to be made to keep the industry going but this is getting absurd.
 
2013-06-05 09:07:23 PM  
You know even worse?

Semi-conformed rumors of eSRAM yield problems and being forced to down-clock you already underpowered GPU

When the hell did MS turn into Sony?
 
2013-06-05 09:08:11 PM  
confirmed*

GDISM.  Stupid auto correct.
 
2013-06-05 09:09:23 PM  

moothemagiccow: The trouble is, the industry's too volatile and the fans (not necessarily the customers) are too entitled.


Yeah, there's a lot of stupid video game fans out there, but it seems nobody has placed together "medium which requires you to overcome challenges and problems by analyzing systems" and "video game players don't take any shiat ever".   It's not so much entitlement as much as pissing off anyone who supported your older game series to pursue an audience which either 1) stopped caring when they found they could get the games for cheap on their phones, or 2) will stop caring when games stop giving significant upgrades in both graphics and the game experience.  Which, coincidentally, is why Microsoft built a video game console around television and pissed off everyone in the process.
 
2013-06-05 09:10:08 PM  
An organization that donates used games to sick kids has decided to boycott the xboxone due to the new cost  associated with used games. I don't understand why this hasn't gotten a fark post yet but:

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2013/05/22/get-well-gamers-foundation-up se t-over-xbox-ones-fee-pre-owned-games

Get-Well Gamers delivers video game systems and games to children's hospitals, which gives young patients something fun to do while being treated for serious medical conditions.

Sharpe emphasized to GamePolitics that he is not complaining about the fee on pre-owned games detailed by Microsoft yesterday out of spite or malice, but out of a genuine concern for how it will impact his organization's ability to give sick children games with "no-strings-attached."
 
2013-06-05 09:14:16 PM  
MrSteve007:

My personal favorite: "Ugh, Micro$oft is screwing over all of us who like to buy and sell used games, so I'll stick with PC and buying games on Steam:"

Game licenses on XBone: $55-60 no discounts
Game licenses on STEAM:  $5-20 on sale

Yeah, totally derptastic to buy a license at a license price.  The whole point of digital delivery licensing is convenience and low cost after all.

Thats my herp-derp plan too if Sony pulls the same BS.  They've seemingly confirmed their 1st party titles and stuff they publish by themselves won't be behind DRM.  So maybe I'll just make a new Rig for 3rd party if they wall themselves off.
 
2013-06-05 09:16:57 PM  

Glitchwerks: I love Forza, and Forza 5's trailer looks great, but the next XBox looks so disappointing.

There's basically no competition from Sony any more in terms of racing sims.  Gran Turismo's developers have stuck their heads up their asses and refuse to pull them out.

So that only leaves PC sims, and not one of them has anything close to the total package.  iRacing has gobs of tracks but hardly any cars.  And it's expensive as hell.  rFactor and all the rest are old as hell and look terrible compared to current graphics.

Racing gamers are boned.


Forza sucks. I mean it doesn't just suck regular, it sucks major ass as far as racing goes. The controls are to cartoonish and child like, there is no way cars drift in that manner.

GRID is the best realistic racing came. 24 hours at Lemans. Real licensed cars with actual real world physics.

/love me some daily xbone hate threads
 
2013-06-05 09:23:39 PM  

Bossk'sSegway: Forza sucks. I mean it doesn't just suck regular, it sucks major ass as far as racing goes. The controls are to cartoonish and child like, there is no way cars drift in that manner.

GRID is the best realistic racing came. 24 hours at Lemans. Real licensed cars with actual real world physics.


I live with my mom, no points awarded for effort either.
 
2013-06-05 09:27:47 PM  

Freeballin: PsyLord: digistil: rpm: digistil: Word from a dev friend is MS is considering incorporating commercials into Xbox Live. Maybe they don't want to have to answer questions on that.

Considering? What are all those things labelled "advertisement" that have been there for years, chopped liver?

Commercials, as in "Watch this 15 second commercial for Tide" while CoD connects to the match.

Oh FOCK YOU!  I already have to pay a yearly fee to use your G*d-D@mn online network and now you are subjecting me with commercials?  What are they smoking because that shiat is making them higher than my blood pressure.

You realize that initially cable TV didn't have advertisements right?  That's why you had to pay for it.  Why exactly do we pay for TV now to have the privilege of watching commercials?


I don't know about where you are but I got cable in the mid-to-late 70s and, except for the pay channels such as HBO and Showtime? (I don't know if Showtime was offered), all networks had ads, fewer than today by about three minutes per hour, but there were ads. Are there ads for Geritol on HBO now?
 
2013-06-05 09:29:33 PM  

Autolychus2: Freeballin: PsyLord: digistil: rpm: digistil: Word from a dev friend is MS is considering incorporating commercials into Xbox Live. Maybe they don't want to have to answer questions on that.

Considering? What are all those things labelled "advertisement" that have been there for years, chopped liver?

Commercials, as in "Watch this 15 second commercial for Tide" while CoD connects to the match.

Oh FOCK YOU!  I already have to pay a yearly fee to use your G*d-D@mn online network and now you are subjecting me with commercials?  What are they smoking because that shiat is making them higher than my blood pressure.

You realize that initially cable TV didn't have advertisements right?  That's why you had to pay for it.  Why exactly do we pay for TV now to have the privilege of watching commercials?

I don't know about where you are but I got cable in the mid-to-late 70s and, except for the pay channels such as HBO and Showtime? (I don't know if Showtime was offered), all networks had ads, fewer than today by about three minutes per hour, but there were ads. Are there ads for Geritol on HBO now?


That's the way I remembered it.  HBO, Showtime, Skinamax all were "commercial free".  The other cable channels had commercials.
 
2013-06-05 09:29:43 PM  
IF I even bother with a gaming console, at this point there's no question that Microsoft is out of the running. The PS4 is looking decent, but not perfect.

For now, I will continue to enjoy my gaming PC and Xbox controller. If MS did anything right, it was to make the Xbox 360 controller the default controller for PC action games with most designers.

I might get an Ouya to play with it, too.
 
2013-06-05 09:35:05 PM  

PsyLord: Autolychus2: F
That's the way I remembered it.  HBO, Showtime, Skinamax all were "commercial free".  The other cable channels had commercials.


How did I forget Skinamax? Young Auto was in love with Sylvia Kristel
 
2013-06-05 09:40:39 PM  

TyrantII: You know even worse?

Semi-conformed rumors of eSRAM yield problems and being forced to down-clock you already underpowered GPU

When the hell did MS turn into Sony?


yep, ps3 is to n64 as xbone is to... saturn
 
2013-06-05 09:42:57 PM  

TyrantII: You know even worse?

Semi-conformed rumors of eSRAM yield problems and being forced to down-clock you already underpowered GPU

When the hell did MS turn into Sony?


btw youiw lil not njhear abouthing about tech atMS E3 presentation. tech tarbaby (notracistst!) IS TSTICKIER THAN YOU WIL EVER KNOW. I LOOK FORWARF TO READING THE BOOK BY VENTUREB

EAT.

Yeah, that sounds legit
 
2013-06-05 09:45:44 PM  

Klivian: picturescrazy: I'm already opting out of the new Xbox because of the daily connection requirements but calm down guys. You're getting worked up over a Fark comment.

But if it happened it wouldn't surprise you, would it?

This is going to end up as a case study on how to completely sink your business.


No, it wouldn't surprise me. And I'll shout out my internet outrage just as loudly as the next guy the moment they announce it. I'm not calling our friend a liar, but he isn't Microsoft.
 
2013-06-05 09:49:14 PM  
At this point, from all we've seen and my experience with past gens consoles (I own all 3), PS4 is the only system that has my interest.  The PS3, despite some annoying flaws, has been a pretty satisfactory system overall with some exclusives that wound up being some of my all time favorite games across any platform (Dragon's Dogma, Valkyria Chornicles), and a PS+ system that feels like a real value.

My 360 has, sadly, not been turned on in 5-6 years.  The controller may see frequent use still, but the console itself just doesn't offer me anything that I can't do better on the PC or PS3.

Now if Sony turns around and starts following Microsofts lead on some of these issues then I'll probably not bother with them this next generation, which may not even mean missing out on that many games since, if their PS4 architecture is more PC friendly, we may see a few more ports and less exclusives.
 
2013-06-05 09:53:02 PM  

waterrockets: PsyLord: digistil: rpm: digistil: Word from a dev friend is MS is considering incorporating commercials into Xbox Live. Maybe they don't want to have to answer questions on that.

Considering? What are all those things labelled "advertisement" that have been there for years, chopped liver?

Commercials, as in "Watch this 15 second commercial for Tide" while CoD connects to the match.

Oh FOCK YOU!  I already have to pay a yearly fee to use your G*d-D@mn online network and now you are subjecting me with commercials?  What are they smoking because that shiat is making them higher than my blood pressure.

You might want to calm down. This is the way of things to come.


Only if the public is willing to pay for it. If nobody buys it, like Windows8, they'll have to change what they want it to do. We can stop this DRM shiat with our wallets.
 
2013-06-05 10:01:52 PM  

Cytokine Storm: At this point, from all we've seen and my experience with past gens consoles (I own all 3), PS4 is the only system that has my interest.  The PS3, despite some annoying flaws, has been a pretty satisfactory system overall with some exclusives that wound up being some of my all time favorite games across any platform (Dragon's Dogma, Valkyria Chornicles), and a PS+ system that feels like a real value.

My 360 has, sadly, not been turned on in 5-6 years.  The controller may see frequent use still, but the console itself just doesn't offer me anything that I can't do better on the PC or PS3.

Now if Sony turns around and starts following Microsofts lead on some of these issues then I'll probably not bother with them this next generation, which may not even mean missing out on that many games since, if their PS4 architecture is more PC friendly, we may see a few more ports and less exclusives.


Do you honestly doubt they are going to? Common sense says neither house would have dropped this bomb without heavy collusion.
 
2013-06-05 10:11:29 PM  

Slayinit: The drama itself surrounding these upcoming console releases is ~almost~ entertainment enough for me. I still think people will buy these consoles, in droves, and support this new gaming model. But as a consumer of used & discounted games I see myself sitting this one out unless there is an about face on blatant MS/Sony(?) cash grab. I understand profit needs to be made to keep the industry going but this is getting absurd.


Sony has explicitly said that the PS4 will not require registration of games to play them, so the used game market is not going to be touched by them. If a game's manufacturer requires such, that's another story, but the PS4 itself will not have any such restrictions.
 
2013-06-05 10:13:42 PM  
All this Xbone bullshiat lately (which is rather entertaining by the way) resulted in me dusting off my 2009 era gaming rig and throwing a few new parts at it.  Fired up Steam after a multi-year break and discovered all sorts of awesome games that I never got around to playing that were bought during crazy ass sales.  It was interesting to look at my purchase history and see which games were bought for what price.  Out of about 35 games, I only paid more than about 7 dollars for 2 of them (Civ 5 and Borderlands when they were new).  Who the hell needs used games (or gives two flying farks about DRM) when major titles can be had for chump change in these sales?

After spending less than $150 on a new video card this old rig is a screamer again, running shiat on the highest settings.  I grabbed the Steam app for iPhone and have it alerting me when games I'm interested in go on sale.  No advertising bullshiat, no ass-tastic user interfaces to deal with, cutting edge graphics, endless amount of mods for games.... yeah fark the Xbone and the next gen consoles for that matter.  I'm set for gaming again and if I need to play in the living room, I'll move my box in there or get a steambox if that ever pans out.

Carry on Xbone, this trainwreck just keeps getting better.  Between Win8 and Xbone fark threads, and my gaming rig, I'm set for entertainment for the foreseeable future.
 
2013-06-05 10:20:23 PM  

moothemagiccow: Kotaku complains about this kind of stuff. They've created a site where it's better to publish a rumor than confirmed fact in an industry long dominated by NDAs. Then they whine that they don't get enough access, when their 45 minute publishing deadlines and desire to control speculation are really to blame.

The trouble is, the industry's too volatile and the fans (not necessarily the customers) are too entitled. Projects get abandoned, postponed, shelved and straight up cancelled, and it's better that the public doesn't know about it. People are still mad about Mega Man Legends, impatient with FF Versus 13, and would be worse about Duke Nukem 4 if it hadn't come out and been universally recognized as a massive turd.

I'm getting to a point here. No news isn't bad news, but it always is according to game blogs. If you ask a blogger, the reason you're not hearing about xbox one is because they're busy making it worse. They say that because that lights up flame wars and hit counters and gets ad dollars.

It could easily be the other way. MS might actually want to rethink the ideas that caused the backlash (or maybe get their message consistent), but they can't announce anything because there are too many people to please.


Entitled?

Can you imagine getting this shiat from any other industry?

Sorry, your car won't work unless you connect to OnStar, sorry, you can no longer let your friends drive your car unless you pay a fee, sorry your new car is not compatible with the CDs or windshield fluid you bought last year.

No, its not about entitlement. The industry treats gamers like they are 12 year olds when the reality is that a lot of us are big boy adults now and expect not to get a bunch of bullshiat thrown at us.

I work in software/IT consulting. If I treated my customers like this I would be fired on the spot.
 
2013-06-05 10:21:27 PM  
DontMakeMeComeBackThere:

Yeah, that sounds legit

You confirm a rumor and get it wrong, you get lifetime banned from neogaf.  The guy who posted that is a mod confirmed anon insider and so far has been spot on with all his confirmations this gen, along with being a long time member.  They type that way to keep off search engines, and make it less likely to have quote attributed to them officially (whether that works is another story).

It's also not surprising, as the APU MS went with is pretty damn big and as far as I can tell it's the first time anyone's tried shoving 32MB eSRAM on a single die with the CPU and GPU.  Lots of room for manufacturing issues.
 
2013-06-05 10:25:23 PM  
kroonermanblack:  Common sense says neither house would have dropped this bomb without heavy collusion.

Common sense says MS wouldn't pretty much make every mistake Sony did with the PS3, including the epic hubris and contempt towards their consumers.  But here we are.

The third console curse continues.
 
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