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(International Business Times)   Fuel efficiency for new cars is up 23% over the past five years, thanks Obama   (ibtimes.com ) divider line
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2013-06-05 02:09:05 PM  
No, no. The invisible hand did it.  In fact private industry could do even more if we'd just deregulate everything already.
 
2013-06-05 02:09:07 PM  
Obama did this because he hates...oh wait
 
2013-06-05 02:10:24 PM  
Awesome. Take that electric vehicles! I can't wait to keep buying gasoline for the rest of my life.
 
2013-06-05 02:11:43 PM  
What year was it the Honda CRX got around 50 mpg ?
 
2013-06-05 02:14:48 PM  
What they don't mention is that Ford, BMW and Nissan are producing GT cars that shatter even those figures from previous models only 4-8 years older than current.

The new 2014 Ford GT gets 25/17 and crushes the 259mph mark for less than 110,000 bucks. Did I mention Ferrari and Porsche want it banned from GT racing due to it being overpowered?
 
2013-06-05 02:16:22 PM  
Obama does not shiat rainbows.
It is call the invisible hand.

/And Obama isn't allowing car makers to do whatever they want to.

Link
 
2013-06-05 02:21:10 PM  
So subby you're saying manufacturers had these more efficient designs ready to go and only started production when Obama was elected?
 
2013-06-05 02:22:19 PM  
Fuel prices are up 100% in the same time period.

Net loss for the consumer.
 
2013-06-05 02:24:51 PM  

archichris: Fuel prices are up 100% in the same time period.

Net loss for the consumer.


I guess we could go back to the halcyon days of DOW in 9000 territory with 13% unemployment.  Good times.
 
2013-06-05 02:25:19 PM  
Obama had little to do with this.  Gasoline prices have remained very high, which drove the demand for a larger variety of efficient vehicles.   If the people spending money are using it for efficient vehicles, of course automakers are going to give them more cars with higher mpg, rather than Canyoneros.
 
2013-06-05 02:25:51 PM  
Should have been jumps of 5 or more.
 
2013-06-05 02:29:50 PM  

archichris: Fuel prices are up 100% in the same time period.

Net loss for the consumer.


Oct,1,2007 (beginning of chart) price for unleaded national average was 2.788 today is approx it is currently 3.633, and increase of 30%
 
2013-06-05 02:32:20 PM  
Take that, oil companies! Now I bet you're only making $20 billion per quarter!
 
2013-06-05 02:34:09 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Awesome. Take that electric vehicles! I can't wait to keep buying gasoline for the rest of my life.


So go buy an EV. It's not like they suddenly stopped existing because of this.

If you're not willing to spend the money or the range concerns you then stop whining about the fact that the existing technology you continue to use has become more efficient in the interim while those issues are worked out. There isn't going to be a hard cutoff where everybody suddenly transitions from one tech to the other so we might as well keep working on improving the old one too.
 
2013-06-05 02:37:48 PM  

MindStalker: archichris: Fuel prices are up 100% in the same time period.

Net loss for the consumer.

Oct,1,2007 (beginning of chart) price for unleaded national average was 2.788 today is approx it is currently 3.633, and increase of 30%


Is that accounting for increases in gas taxes on both federal and state levels?
 
2013-06-05 02:43:19 PM  

PedanticSimpleton: MindStalker: archichris: Fuel prices are up 100% in the same time period.

Net loss for the consumer.

Oct,1,2007 (beginning of chart) price for unleaded national average was 2.788 today is approx it is currently 3.633, and increase of 30%

Is that accounting for increases in gas taxes on both federal and state levels?


What difference does that make to the consumer? An increase is an increase.
 
2013-06-05 02:43:30 PM  
I just saw $4.42 per gallon at the local BP (Bendover Petroleum) station late this morning, so I'm getting a kick out of this.

By "kick" I mean "kick in the teeth" since even a small car costs a farkton to fill up.
 
2013-06-05 02:44:31 PM  

archichris: Fuel prices are up 100% in the same time period.

Net loss for the consumer.


Yup, but gas tax collections are down because less fuel is purchased.  Bend over and grab your ankles as this loss of taxes will not go unpunished !!
 
2013-06-05 02:44:33 PM  

mudpants: What year was it the Honda CRX got around 50 mpg ?


Early 1980s. We've come a long way.
 
2013-06-05 02:45:07 PM  

PedanticSimpleton: MindStalker: archichris: Fuel prices are up 100% in the same time period.

Net loss for the consumer.

Oct,1,2007 (beginning of chart) price for unleaded national average was 2.788 today is approx it is currently 3.633, and increase of 30%

Is that accounting for increases in gas taxes on both federal and state levels?


Currently  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States
The United States federal excise tax on gasoline is 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for diesel fuel.[1][2] On average, as of January 2013, state and local taxes add 30.4 cents to gasoline and 30.0 cents to diesel, for a total US average fuel tax of 48.8 cents per gallon for gas and 54.4 cents per gallon for diesel.[3]

So the tax is 30 cents. I can't find out what it was in 2007, but its not much different than today, even assuming it was as low as 20 cents, that changes the equation by 10 cents.
 
2013-06-05 02:48:09 PM  

llevrok: archichris: Fuel prices are up 100% in the same time period.

Net loss for the consumer.

Yup, but gas tax collections are down because less fuel is purchased.  Bend over and grab your ankles as this loss of taxes will not go unpunished !!


Guess what, road still have to be build and maintained. You've got to pay for the roads someway or another, some countries have toll roads everywhere to pay for their highway maintenance, that sounds fun!
 
2013-06-05 02:48:20 PM  

archichris: Fuel prices are up 100% in the same time period.

Net loss for the consumer.


Fuel prices averaged over $3 for regular in 2007 and rose to over $4 for regular in the first half of 2008.  (Source: US Department of Energy)
Therefore, prices are arguably flat compared to 2007 and the fuel savings are real.   Of course, the cost of the average new car could have increased enough to offset any fuel efficiency gains.

// Obama had little to do with setting the standards for the cars being offered in 2007, 2008 or 2009.  (Perhaps as Senator Obama?)

// Consumers appear to be adjusting to higher prices by buying smaller more efficient vehicles.
 
2013-06-05 02:50:31 PM  

MindStalker: llevrok: archichris: Fuel prices are up 100% in the same time period.

Net loss for the consumer.

Yup, but gas tax collections are down because less fuel is purchased.  Bend over and grab your ankles as this loss of taxes will not go unpunished !!

Guess what, road still have to be build and maintained. You've got to pay for the roads someway or another, some countries have toll roads everywhere to pay for their highway maintenance, that sounds fun!


for refrence, since all taxes are so high in USA:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-05 02:56:36 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: So subby you're saying manufacturers had these more efficient designs ready to go and only started production when Obama was elected?


Are you forgetting about Obama's magic time machine?
 
2013-06-05 03:06:53 PM  
there still does not exist a diesel compact truck in the united states. what the hell is that all about?
 
2013-06-05 03:07:30 PM  

Fubegra: I just saw $4.42 per gallon at the local BP (Bendover Petroleum) station late this morning, so I'm getting a kick out of this.

By "kick" I mean "kick in the teeth" since even a small car costs a farkton to fill up.


Still cheaper (marginally) than basically anywhere in Canada.
 
2013-06-05 03:08:32 PM  

MindStalker: archichris: Fuel prices are up 100% in the same time period.

Net loss for the consumer.

Oct,1,2007 (beginning of chart) price for unleaded national average was 2.788 today is approx it is currently 3.633, and increase of 30%


I'd like to see your source for current gas prices.  We typically get below the national average here and It has been above $4/gallon for the last two weeks.
 
2013-06-05 03:12:19 PM  
Meanwhile: "Strong demand for electric vehicles leaves supplies short"

Also interestingly, the LEAF is now the best selling model for Nissan in San Fran, Seattle, Honolulu, and Portland,
sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-06-05 03:25:17 PM  

Jedekai: The new 2014 Ford GT gets 25/17 and crushes the 259mph mark for less than 110,000 bucks.


It'd be cool if it were actually, you know,  real.
 
2013-06-05 03:30:20 PM  

kukukupo: MindStalker: archichris: Fuel prices are up 100% in the same time period.

Net loss for the consumer.

Oct,1,2007 (beginning of chart) price for unleaded national average was 2.788 today is approx it is currently 3.633, and increase of 30%

I'd like to see your source for current gas prices.  We typically get below the national average here and It has been above $4/gallon for the last two weeks.


http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_gnd_dcus_nus_w.htm
 
2013-06-05 03:32:02 PM  
In 2009, Obama announced a plan to mandate the improvement of fuel efficiency in new vehicles.  The plan was finalized last year, but auto manufacturer's have known this was coming for half a decade now.

/but Obama had nothing to do with this improvement
 
2013-06-05 03:33:20 PM  

MrSteve007: Meanwhile: "Strong demand for electric vehicles leaves supplies short"

Also interestingly, the LEAF is now the best selling model for Nissan in San Fran, Seattle, Honolulu, and Portland,
[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x314]


1) I've never heard of any other Nissan car ever, so that's not exactly a rousing endorsement.
2) The whole "You count as a HOV car" thing is a HUGE benefit given the traffic and housing price distributions in those cities.  (I don't know if it's valid in HI).  It makes total sense to get 1 EV for knocking an hour off the commute and several hundred dollars off the annual gas bill, and 1 gas vehicle like a minivan for the second family member (with the shorter commute) for local stuff and the occasional longer trip where you'll want a gas car.

/Seriously, why does traffic in every Left Coast city suck?  You'd figure that they'd get good mass transit eventually, but even rush hour traffic is faster than taking Caltrain and I'm going more or less station to station between 2 Baby Bullet stops with a 5-10 minute walk on either end.
//And let's not talk about the bus.  1 hour to go 6 miles.  The FARK.
 
2013-06-05 03:38:08 PM  

MrSteve007: Meanwhile: "Strong demand for electric vehicles leaves supplies short"

Also interestingly, the LEAF is now the best selling model for Nissan in San Fran, Seattle, Honolulu, and Portland,
[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x314]


Well there damn near giving them away right now. You'd have to be silly to not consider one. If I wasn't moving back east in a few months I would look into it.
 
2013-06-05 03:39:15 PM  

Tellingthem: MrSteve007: Meanwhile: "Strong demand for electric vehicles leaves supplies short"

Also interestingly, the LEAF is now the best selling model for Nissan in San Fran, Seattle, Honolulu, and Portland,
[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x314]

Well there damn near giving them away right now. You'd have to be silly to not consider one. If I wasn't moving back east in a few months I would look into it.


They're
 
2013-06-05 03:42:23 PM  
A lot of new cars don't come with spare tires because of the new fuel efficiency standards.

Thanks, Flatbama.
 
2013-06-05 03:44:41 PM  

Witty_Retort: MindStalker: llevrok: archichris: Fuel prices are up 100% in the same time period.

Net loss for the consumer.

Yup, but gas tax collections are down because less fuel is purchased.  Bend over and grab your ankles as this loss of taxes will not go unpunished !!

Guess what, road still have to be build and maintained. You've got to pay for the roads someway or another, some countries have toll roads everywhere to pay for their highway maintenance, that sounds fun!

for refrence, since all taxes are so high in USA:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 425x487]


Wait, taxes were negative in Mexico? WTF?
 
2013-06-05 03:48:28 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: A lot of new cars don't come with spare tires because of the new fuel efficiency standards.

Thanks, Flatbama.


Coincidentally how many young people know how to actually change a flat tire?

/I'm 29
//people my age are lucky if they manage to hang drapes rather than just using thumbtacks to hang a towel.
///to be fair the windows in their parents basements are all really high on the wall and hard to reach
 
2013-06-05 03:50:32 PM  

MindStalker: archichris: Fuel prices are up 100% in the same time period.

Net loss for the consumer.

Oct,1,2007 (beginning of chart) price for unleaded national average was 2.788 today is approx it is currently 3.633, and increase of 30%


When Obama took office gas was 1.90/gallon.
 
2013-06-05 03:51:12 PM  
Gas is $4.25 here. Damn Obama making money for his rich oil buddies.

And there is this...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cars-increasingly-reach-many-americans -1 45957880.html
 
2013-06-05 04:03:54 PM  
I hate charts that don't start at zero or the equivalent. Makes things look exaggerated and you can't get a proper sense or proportion when you don't. (which is the point to charts)
 
2013-06-05 04:04:58 PM  
So Cash for Clunkers was a huge success!!
 
2013-06-05 04:15:01 PM  

meyerkev: MrSteve007: Meanwhile: "Strong demand for electric vehicles leaves supplies short"

Also interestingly, the LEAF is now the best selling model for Nissan in San Fran, Seattle, Honolulu, and Portland,
[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x314]

1) I've never heard of any other Nissan car ever, so that's not exactly a rousing endorsement.
2) The whole "You count as a HOV car" thing is a HUGE benefit given the traffic and housing price distributions in those cities.  (I don't know if it's valid in HI).  It makes total sense to get 1 EV for knocking an hour off the commute and several hundred dollars off the annual gas bill, and 1 gas vehicle like a minivan for the second family member (with the shorter commute) for local stuff and the occasional longer trip where you'll want a gas car.

/Seriously, why does traffic in every Left Coast city suck?  You'd figure that they'd get good mass transit eventually, but even rush hour traffic is faster than taking Caltrain and I'm going more or less station to station between 2 Baby Bullet stops with a 5-10 minute walk on either end.
//And let's not talk about the bus.  1 hour to go 6 miles.  The FARK.


You've never heard of a Nissan Altima, the 3rd best selling car in America right now.  Or the Sentra, the #17 best selling car.  Or the Maxima.  Or the Versa.
 
2013-06-05 04:18:42 PM  

meyerkev: I've never heard of any other Nissan car ever


I know you're from Michigan but really?
 
2013-06-05 04:19:01 PM  
Witty_Retort:
for refrence, since all taxes are so high in USA:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 425x487]


Those numbers would be more relevant if they were per-capita.

Comparing the relative tax on a country that has a population of 75million out of which about 15 million drive to a country that has a population of 314 million out of which about 191 million drive isn't exactly fair.

Also distance and frequency of travel matters as most commuters in Turkey are centered around Istanbul, Ankara, or Izmir.  Most of them would only need to drive if they were traveling outside of one of the major cities vs. the US were most of the population drives to work daily.
 
2013-06-05 04:19:26 PM  
24.8 miles per gallon is the average? No wonder the US is complaining about gas prices (which are still ridiculously low). Everyone I know aims for 40mpg or higher.

/Fuel price is at 1.799 Euro per litre
//8.912 dollar per gallon
 
2013-06-05 04:23:15 PM  
I remember when all of the conservative morons were whining that this couldn't be done.  That it was undue influence to mandate emission standards, even informally.

fark them.  fark them with a rusty Thor's hammer.
 
2013-06-05 04:24:14 PM  

DerAppie: 24.8 miles per gallon is the average? No wonder the US is complaining about gas prices (which are still ridiculously low). Everyone I know aims for 40mpg or higher.

/Fuel price is at 1.799 Euro per litre
//8.912 dollar per gallon


US crash safety standards are different, which adds weight. also, mileage ratings are all lies.
 
2013-06-05 04:24:53 PM  

spickus: meyerkev: I've never heard of any other Nissan car ever

I know you're from Michigan but really?


Mind you, I don't have a TV, so I don't catch car commercials which is where I'd find out about 90% of cars that aren't owned by family (which at this point means Camry or Prius or Mini Cooper).

And I didn't OWN a car for several years, which meant that I wasn't looking to see what was out there.
 
2013-06-05 04:26:34 PM  

Eccentric Fixation: You've never heard of a Nissan Altima, the 3rd best selling car in America right now. Or the Sentra, the #17 best selling car. Or the Maxima. Or the Versa.


Or Pathfinder. Or Frontier. Or Xterra. Or GTR. Or Z370. . .

Let alone my favorite vehicle name, the Armada.
 
2013-06-05 04:26:38 PM  
meyerkev:
1) I've never heard of any other Nissan car ever,

Your thought process here is alarmingly close to O'Reilly's "Can't explain that" episode.
 
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