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(International Business Times)   Here's a list of the players who will be suspended as part of the MLB's doping investigation   (ibtimes.com) divider line 83
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2013-06-05 09:03:11 AM  
Everyone on the list is Hispanic. Odds that nobody squawks about that?
 
2013-06-05 09:27:52 AM  

flucto: Everyone on the list is Hispanic. Odds that nobody squawks about that?


Ryaño Braunez
 
2013-06-05 10:15:20 AM  

flucto: Everyone on the list is Hispanic. Odds that nobody squawks about that?


There a lot of Hispanics/Latinos in South Florida?  No farking way!
 
2013-06-05 10:17:59 AM  

flucto: Everyone on the list is Hispanic. Odds that nobody squawks about that?


ct.fra.bz

Or...

PowerSlacker: flucto: Everyone on the list is Hispanic. Odds that nobody squawks about that?

There a lot of Hispanics/Latinos in South Florida?  No farking way!


Yeah that.
 
2013-06-05 10:20:11 AM  
No, that's not the entire list. Those are just the names that the media already had. Other names will be players who went to the University of Miami since one of their coaches is on the list. Braun went to the U.
 
2013-06-05 10:21:44 AM  
I'm still trying to figure out how MLB thinks they'll get away with this without causing the union to go ballistic and the arbitrators to just look at a Selig with a "Are you serious?" expression. Unless they have some other form of unknown evidence that corroborates the whole "guy with a cryptic notebook of coded names" thing.
 
2013-06-05 10:22:55 AM  
So people were added or dropped from the article 3 links down and with 200 more comments?
 
2013-06-05 10:24:50 AM  
How many already were suspended for testing positive for these drugs?
 
2013-06-05 10:25:43 AM  

Joe_diGriz: I'm still trying to figure out how MLB thinks they'll get away with this without causing the union to go ballistic and the arbitrators to just look at a Selig with a "Are you serious?" expression. Unless they have some other form of unknown evidence that corroborates the whole "guy with a cryptic notebook of coded names" thing.


MLB more than likely has physical evidence along with Bosch's testimony. As for the Union, they will be defending a minority of players whose actions have taken money out of the pocket of the majority of players. The Union isn't going to fight to the bitter end for players that have been proven to be cheaters and lairs.
 
2013-06-05 10:25:47 AM  

Joe_diGriz: I'm still trying to figure out how MLB thinks they'll get away with this without causing the union to go ballistic and the arbitrators to just look at a Selig with a "Are you serious?" expression. Unless they have some other form of unknown evidence that corroborates the whole "guy with a cryptic notebook of coded names" thing.


That's how big PED busts usually happen.  Just look at cycling's history.

The apologies for the Biogenesis dopers are amusing.  At least most of you are smart enough to realize that it is organized doping though, so you're one step ahead of the Lancebots.
 
2013-06-05 10:26:14 AM  

BunkoSquad: flucto: Everyone on the list is Hispanic. Odds that nobody squawks about that?

Ryaño Braunez


Braun probably had nothing to do with it but MLB is gonna name him in anything they can from now on. :)
 
2013-06-05 10:27:56 AM  
Well, a 50-game timeout for Cruz gives Texas the answer to their "problem" of what to do with Profar when Kinsler comes off the DL.

/He's playing too well to send him back down
//With Price & Stanton hurt, and how well Profar's playing, he's essentially untradable now
///Kinsler, say hello to your new home in RF
////It's one of those "Good problems" to have
 
2013-06-05 10:29:10 AM  
How many are Yankees? All of them?

/dnrtfa
 
2013-06-05 10:31:51 AM  
That's an old list. Some of them, like Gio, have been essentially cleared and aren't facing suspension.
 
2013-06-05 10:33:39 AM  

WTF Indeed: Joe_diGriz: I'm still trying to figure out how MLB thinks they'll get away with this without causing the union to go ballistic and the arbitrators to just look at a Selig with a "Are you serious?" expression. Unless they have some other form of unknown evidence that corroborates the whole "guy with a cryptic notebook of coded names" thing.

MLB more than likely has physical evidence along with Bosch's testimony. As for the Union, they will be defending a minority of players whose actions have taken money out of the pocket of the majority of players. The Union isn't going to fight to the bitter end for players that have been proven to be cheaters and lairs.


They can fight, but the players will be dragged in front of congress again.  One congressman will get a burr up his ass and threaten to pull MLB's anti-trust exemption.
 
2013-06-05 10:35:41 AM  

WTF Indeed: Joe_diGriz: I'm still trying to figure out how MLB thinks they'll get away with this without causing the union to go ballistic and the arbitrators to just look at a Selig with a "Are you serious?" expression. Unless they have some other form of unknown evidence that corroborates the whole "guy with a cryptic notebook of coded names" thing.

MLB more than likely has physical evidence along with Bosch's testimony. As for the Union, they will be defending a minority of players whose actions have taken money out of the pocket of the majority of players. The Union isn't going to fight to the bitter end for players that have been proven to be cheaters and lairs.


Considering that MLB investigators were trying to get the documents that Bosch had before the players did, I'm guessing there's some type of smoking gun involved.

Otherwise, why would the players be hellbent on getting those documents first?
 
2013-06-05 10:36:09 AM  

kronicfeld: That's an old list. Some of them, like Gio, have been essentially cleared and aren't facing suspension.


So was Braun, but here we are with his "second offense" and facing 100 games.
 
2013-06-05 10:36:35 AM  

Broktun: They can fight, but the players will be dragged in front of congress again.  One congressman will get a burr up his ass and threaten to pull MLB's anti-trust exemption.


Players were only brought in front of Congress because baseball WASN'T doing anything. The fact that baseball is so pro-active here means Congress will never even be a thought.
 
2013-06-05 10:37:51 AM  

robbiex0r: kronicfeld: That's an old list. Some of them, like Gio, have been essentially cleared and aren't facing suspension.

So was Braun, but here we are with his "second offense" and facing 100 games.


Braun will be facing 100 games for lying to MLB.
 
2013-06-05 10:38:37 AM  

Joe_diGriz: I'm still trying to figure out how MLB thinks they'll get away with this without causing the union to go ballistic and the arbitrators to just look at a Selig with a "Are you serious?" expression. Unless they have some other form of unknown evidence that corroborates the whole "guy with a cryptic notebook of coded names" thing.


'Actions detrimental' See also: 'Kennesaw Mountain Landis' and 'Chicago Black Sox'
 
2013-06-05 10:39:55 AM  
Oh no, not Braun!  How will this affect the Brewers playoff hopes?  How they can they hope to be competitive without his offensive might?

/lifelong Brewers fan
/sigh
 
2013-06-05 10:41:16 AM  

Stoj: BunkoSquad: flucto: Everyone on the list is Hispanic. Odds that nobody squawks about that?

Ryaño Braunez

Braun probably had nothing to do with it but MLB is gonna name him in anything they can from now on. :


when they said "and that Braun guy" investigator thought he said "that Brown guy". Terrible stuff, collateral damage
 
2013-06-05 10:42:04 AM  
This is farking stupid. What's the new evidence that suddenly made this an issue rather than months ago?
 
2013-06-05 10:43:10 AM  
I always hated Ja-honny Peralta, so the schadenfreude is strong.
 
2013-06-05 10:43:11 AM  

PowerSlacker: The apologies for the Biogenesis dopers are amusing. At least most of you are smart enough to realize that it is organized doping though, so you're one step ahead of the Lancebots.


To be clear, I wasn't "apologizing" for anyone. I have no doubt that a bunch of them (and probably many more) did take banned substances. However, given how the anti-doping policy is written, and how much power the union has, I'm still uncertain how MLB can take a unilateral step of flat-out declaring everyone involved guilty and expect that there won't be a war over it. Especially the whole "jumping straight to *second* offense" punishment territory for some of the players.

I'm really hoping that MLB was smart enough to work out some stuff ahead-of-time with the MLBPA, or the results aren't going to be pretty for anyone.
 
2013-06-05 10:45:02 AM  
This is an obvious conspiracy to keep A Rod away from the Yankees so they keep winning.
 
2013-06-05 10:49:30 AM  

MFAWG: 'Actions detrimental' See also: 'Kennesaw Mountain Landis' and 'Chicago Black Sox'


When was the last time that particular power was used successfully? Heck, didn't they try to use it to perma-ban Steve Howe back in the early 90s, and had it overturned?
 
2013-06-05 10:57:47 AM  

RoyHobbs22: This is an obvious conspiracy to keep A Rod away from the Yankees so they keep winning.

www.allmystery.de
 
2013-06-05 11:09:42 AM  

Joe_diGriz: PowerSlacker: The apologies for the Biogenesis dopers are amusing. At least most of you are smart enough to realize that it is organized doping though, so you're one step ahead of the Lancebots.

To be clear, I wasn't "apologizing" for anyone. I have no doubt that a bunch of them (and probably many more) did take banned substances. However, given how the anti-doping policy is written, and how much power the union has, I'm still uncertain how MLB can take a unilateral step of flat-out declaring everyone involved guilty and expect that there won't be a war over it. Especially the whole "jumping straight to *second* offense" punishment territory for some of the players.

I'm really hoping that MLB was smart enough to work out some stuff ahead-of-time with the MLBPA, or the results aren't going to be pretty for anyone.


I totally agree with you about jumping straight to the second offense punishment.  That almost certainly won't stand, but it gives MLB some room to "negotiate downward".

As for the rest, if the guy testifies that he gave them drugs and there is enough corroborating evidence, throw the book at the players involved.
 
2013-06-05 11:12:46 AM  
Unless I'm missing something, the only precedent set if the MLB is successful in suspending these guys is that a collectively-bargained drug policy for a sports league really amounts to worthless word soup if its commissioner wakes up on the wrong side of the bed one morning.
 
2013-06-05 11:16:56 AM  

4NTLRZ: Well, a 50-game timeout for Cruz gives Texas the answer to their "problem" of what to do with Profar when Kinsler comes off the DL.

/He's playing too well to send him back down
//With Price & Stanton hurt, and how well Profar's playing, he's essentially untradable now
///Kinsler, say hello to your new home in RF
////It's one of those "Good problems" to have


I wish they had an answer for the "bad problems" they have... namely, a very shaky bullpen and a feast-or-famine approach at the plate.
 
2013-06-05 11:24:47 AM  

Killer Cars: Unless I'm missing something, the only precedent set if the MLB is successful in suspending these guys is that a collectively-bargained drug policy for a sports league really amounts to worthless word soup if its commissioner wakes up on the wrong side of the bed one morning.


Pretty much. Plus this "investigation" is now based on the word of a struggling drug dealer/pretend doctor.
 
2013-06-05 11:31:26 AM  

thecpt: This is farking stupid. What's the new evidence that suddenly made this an issue rather than months ago?


DNRTA?

The owner of the clinic is cooperating with MLB now. He is ratting everyone out in turn for help with his federal legal problems and a promise that MLB will not sue him.
 
2013-06-05 11:39:15 AM  

Triple Oak: Pretty much. Plus this "investigation" is now based on the word of a struggling drug dealer/pretend doctor.


"Think about the union's perspective: For all this time, MLB has painted Tony Bosch as a low-life, a pissant faux doctor who was nothing more than a sleazeball. And now it wants to trust him, of all people, and mete out perhaps 1,000 games of punishment? "

amoral: The owner of the clinic is cooperating with MLB now. He is ratting everyone out in turn for help with his federal legal problems and a promise that MLB will not sue him.


Although I'm curious how MLB is going to help out with the federal part. It's not like the prosecutors are going to say "Oh, hey, he's giving information to MLB for their internal investigation, guess that means we're cool now".
 
2013-06-05 11:44:08 AM  
Oh wow it's....the exact same list from the first article, except now double spaced & alphabetized and with a typo fixed. Cool.

ANYWAY, I just posted these in the other thread, but two lawyers weigh in:

Eugene Freedman, labor lawyer: http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/does-mlb-have-a-case-t h is-time/

Craig Calcaterra, former business litigator: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/04/when-it-comes-to-drugs-m a jor-league-baseball-has-learned-nothing-from-the-past-wishes-to-learn- nothing-in-the-future/
 
2013-06-05 11:48:31 AM  

Uncle Pooky: 4NTLRZ: Well, a 50-game timeout for Cruz gives Texas the answer to their "problem" of what to do with Profar when Kinsler comes off the DL.

/He's playing too well to send him back down
//With Price & Stanton hurt, and how well Profar's playing, he's essentially untradable now
///Kinsler, say hello to your new home in RF
////It's one of those "Good problems" to have

I wish they had an answer for the "bad problems" they have... namely, a very shaky bullpen and a feast-or-famine approach at the plate.


They have the answer to the "shaky bullpen"... David Murphy!
 
2013-06-05 11:54:50 AM  

Kriegshund: Oh no, not Braun!  How will this affect the Brewers playoff hopes?  How they can they hope to be competitive without his offensive might?

/lifelong Brewers fan
/sigh


Same here (grew up in Waukesha), this has not been a good season
 
2013-06-05 12:08:59 PM  

amoral: thecpt: This is farking stupid. What's the new evidence that suddenly made this an issue rather than months ago?

DNRTA?

The owner of the clinic is cooperating with MLB now. He is ratting everyone out in turn for help with his federal legal problems and a promise that MLB will not sue him.


Oh I thought he was doing that from the beginning. My bad.
 
2013-06-05 12:11:58 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Oh wow it's....the exact same list from the first article, except now double spaced & alphabetized and with a typo fixed. Cool.

ANYWAY, I just posted these in the other thread, but two lawyers weigh in:

Eugene Freedman, labor lawyer: http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/does-mlb-have-a-case-t h is-time/

Craig Calcaterra, former business litigator: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/04/when-it-comes-to-drugs-m a jor-league-baseball-has-learned-nothing-from-the-past-wishes-to-learn- nothing-in-the-future/


So you're telling me a lawyer has a better sense of moral approach than our national pastime? This is where you're at selig.

Cool links though. Better than this "follow up"
 
2013-06-05 12:13:33 PM  

flucto: Everyone on the list is Hispanic. Odds that nobody squawks about that?


Because most people realize that it is probably just a result of where this particular clinic was located. A lot of Latino players from out of the country live and train in South Florida during the off season. And these names are the only ones they could figure out, there are a lot more players evolved.
 
2013-06-05 12:28:33 PM  
Problem? Player take roids.

Solution: Test positive once and you're done forever.

The Result: Start a new league where they test for nothing.
 
2013-06-05 12:30:50 PM  

thecpt: This is farking stupid. What's the new evidence that suddenly made this an issue rather than months ago?


The doctor is finally talking. He was clammed up because he was worrying the Feds would get after him, but now MLB is talking settlement and the FBI hasn't come knocking, so he's willing to confirm some of what earlier was just speculation.

Of course, whether his confirmation is actually worth anything is a completely different question, but instead of just a list of names of dubious origin, we now have a doctor saying "Yeah, I made that list, and here's why these guys are on it"

Still sketchy, imo, but steroids and baseball always is good for a media frenzy.
 
2013-06-05 12:54:34 PM  

robbiex0r: kronicfeld: That's an old list. Some of them, like Gio, have been essentially cleared and aren't facing suspension.

So was Braun, but here we are with his "second offense" and facing 100 games.


Braun wasn't cleared.  He got off on a technicality.
 
2013-06-05 12:58:36 PM  

ongbok: flucto: Everyone on the list is Hispanic. Odds that nobody squawks about that?

Because most people realize that it is probably just a result of where this particular clinic was located. A lot of Latino players from out of the country live and train in South Florida during the off season. And these names are the only ones they could figure out, there are a lot more players evolved.


Evolved? It was PEDs, not evolution.
 
2013-06-05 01:06:04 PM  

flucto: Everyone on the list who plays baseball is Hispanic. Odds that nobody squawks about that?


FTFY.
 
2013-06-05 01:10:21 PM  

flucto: Everyone on the list is Hispanic. Odds that nobody squawks about that?


Ryan Braun?

No Reds so far, so fingers crossed
 
2013-06-05 01:25:51 PM  
So what I learned on Fark today is that in baseball it's ok to dope to the gills so long as you don't fail a test.

Guess we don't need to worry about baseball ever coming back to the Olympics with that attitude.
 
2013-06-05 01:26:49 PM  

Hollie Maea: flucto: Everyone on the list who plays baseball is Hispanic. Odds that nobody squawks about that?

FTFY.


jaedabarbie.files.wordpress.com

Begs to differ. Oh, wait...
 
2013-06-05 01:31:47 PM  

PowerSlacker: So what I learned on Fark today is that in baseball it's ok to dope to the gills so long as you don't fail a test.

Guess we don't need to worry about baseball ever coming back to the Olympics with that attitude.


Isn't that how it is with every sport? It's not cheating if you don't get caught?
 
2013-06-05 01:35:27 PM  

ongbok: PowerSlacker: So what I learned on Fark today is that in baseball it's ok to dope to the gills so long as you don't fail a test.

Guess we don't need to worry about baseball ever coming back to the Olympics with that attitude.

Isn't that how it is with every sport? It's not cheating if you don't get caught?


In other sports, you can get banninated without a positive test if there is enough corroborating evidence that you doped.  That's part of the WADA code.

If MLB wants to get baseball into the Olympics, it's going to have to comply with WADA regulations.
 
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