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(The News & Observer (NC))   Lets revamp the tax code costing the state $1.5B while raising taxes on lower income people. Oh and lets not talk about it lets just do it. (apostrophes left out due to new tax on use of apostrophes)   (newsobserver.com) divider line 86
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2013-06-05 11:02:37 AM

ManRay: vpb: Yes, I'm sure that will provide enough revenue for the government to run.

The current system is doing so well, it would be stupid to change eh?


My car made a funny noise yesterday. I was thinking of pushing it into a river. It has problems, so anything I do to change that must be good, right?
 
2013-06-05 11:03:01 AM
I only have so many farks to give and I go through them fast enough over things that are actually made law. I can't give an farks about a friggin' committee vote.
 
2013-06-05 11:07:21 AM
www.empowernetwork.com
 
2013-06-05 11:10:57 AM
It's an amazing thing. The tyranny of the majority has lead to a large number of people supporting policies that actively enrich a small minority at their own expense. Social engineering at its most effective. Lesson: you can do anything if you get people skeerd of their own shadow.
 
2013-06-05 11:17:33 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Smeggy Smurf: The Fair Tax would have been a better solution.  You only pay tax if you want to.  The basic necessities of life are covered.  The tax falls on any expenditure for lifestyle.  The rich buy more, they'll pay more.  It's so simple no Rapeublican or Emocrat can understand it.

You do realize those proponents of a "Fair Tax" are lying to you from the get go right? The number they keep stating is a 23 percent sales tax, but in reality it is a 30 percent sales tax. How can they say 23 percent and not 30 percent? Simple, the tax is added at retail time so if you buy something for a 1.00 you get charged an extra 30 cents. Now I know you would say, not I get charged an extra 23 cents, but that 23 percent is that 30 cents of 130 cents is 23 percent of the total.

That's right those proponents of a "Fair Tax"can't even be honest when talking about how much it will really cost. The question is what else are they lying to you about? Well a "Fair Tax"would be a tax increase, because we have a graduated tax system in the US. You would pay 30% consumption tax on everything you buy, which means all goods and services would increase by 30%, but your income would not increase proportionally, because you are not taxed at 30% on all portions of your income. With deductions and tax breaks most people get taxed no where near 30%.  A "Fair Tax" is a tax increase and a tax increase on the poor and middle class, because those are the people least likely to be able to save money.



beat me to it.  hate those FairTax liars.
 
2013-06-05 11:19:35 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Eventually the poor people are going to realize that the GOP is hosing them down big time.  After all, they're poor, not stupid.


Nope. Their pastors have them convinced that it's god's will for them to suffer like jesus (you think it was easy conjuring up all that fish?).  It only serves to make them douchier than they are now.

//bless their little hearts
 
2013-06-05 11:20:32 AM

theorellior: It's an amazing thing. The tyranny of the majority has lead to a large number of people supporting policies that actively enrich a small minority at their own expense. Social engineering at its most effective. Lesson: you can do anything if you get people skeerd of their own shadow.


IMO they aren't scared they base all their policy decisions out of spite.
 
2013-06-05 11:21:15 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Eventually the poor people are going to realize that the GOP is hosing them down big time.  After all, they're poor, not stupid.


It's North Carolina. Why can't they be both?
 
2013-06-05 11:23:47 AM
This is today's GOP is reduced to. When confronted with fiscal realities, their vision for the country simply doesn't work. No matter how hard you pull on your bootstraps. So they have to sneak a huge tax bill under the radar so it doesn't end up in the news cycle and pundit-land. While I sort of admire such weaselry in politics(it's a game played by weasels, mostly), I think it's important to note the underlying cause of this. The entire GOP is living a lie about how much we need to spend to keep this place running.

And if they are serious about implementing a real flat tax(which they aren't), this ain't the way to go about it.
 
2013-06-05 11:28:40 AM

thurstonxhowell: ManRay: vpb: Yes, I'm sure that will provide enough revenue for the government to run.

The current system is doing so well, it would be stupid to change eh?

My car made a funny noise yesterday. I was thinking of pushing it into a river. It has problems, so anything I do to change that must be good, right?


Oh, no. Lets just tinker with it some more while ignoring the fact that it does not work as is.

One thing we know for sure: whatever we are doing now does not work.
 
2013-06-05 11:43:47 AM
Kansas?

*Clicks link*

Ah, North Carolina.  Same thing.
 
2013-06-05 11:53:55 AM

ikanreed: It's not just that, they're also trying to make judge elections partisan and repeal a law that makes it legal to appeal your death sentence if it was administered on the basis of your race.


Wow.  What was the reasoning behind repealing that.  Besides just really wanting to see a black guy swing at the end of a rope?
 
2013-06-05 11:57:10 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Eventually the poor people are going to realize that the GOP is hosing them down big time.  After all, they're poor, not stupid.


There is a high correlation between the two. And many poor people will always vote R, because Jesus.
 
2013-06-05 12:21:00 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Eventually the poor people are going to realize that the GOP is hosing them down big time.  After all, they're poor, not stupid.


a lot of them are.
 
2013-06-05 12:28:44 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: What the fark is wrong with this country?


It's inhabited mostly by Americans.
 
2013-06-05 12:29:49 PM
Why dont the Tea Baggers protest THIS crap???

I thought being anti-tax was their whole schtick.
 
2013-06-05 12:44:27 PM

ManRay: thurstonxhowell: ManRay: vpb: Yes, I'm sure that will provide enough revenue for the government to run.

The current system is doing so well, it would be stupid to change eh?

My car made a funny noise yesterday. I was thinking of pushing it into a river. It has problems, so anything I do to change that must be good, right?

Oh, no. Lets just tinker with it some more while ignoring the fact that it does not work as is.

One thing we know for sure: whatever we are doing now does not work.


Right. So I should push my car into the river. That makes more sense than tinkering with it.
 
2013-06-05 01:32:24 PM

Bf+: Why did I just assume this was in Wisconsin?


Walker is trying...dont worry. Can't wait till his 2nd term.


/sigh
//cant move fast enough
 
2013-06-05 01:39:31 PM
You know what? This bill doesn't go far enough. Frankly I'm 110% OK with the dumbass crackers that elected McCrory and Co. with suffering for their votes. They wanted it, let them rot in the streets for all I care. The sooner they're gone, the better.

Here's an electoral map of NC from the last election. With the exception of Wilmington/Pender County, ZERO counties with one of the major cities went for Romney/McCrory. Zero.  NC is being dragged down by all those asshole crackers in the east and western portions of the state (the vast majority of those counties are leeches on the state budget). Note also that most of these counties leaned GOP by 25- 40+% percent. This ain't no anomaly.

netrightdaily.com

Election results by county
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/results/president/north-caroli na /

tl/dr - fark the poor. They elected these assholes.
 
2013-06-05 01:52:58 PM

Johnny Swank: You know what? This bill doesn't go far enough. Frankly I'm 110% OK with the dumbass crackers that elected McCrory and Co. with suffering for their votes. They wanted it, let them rot in the streets for all I care. The sooner they're gone, the better.

Here's an electoral map of NC from the last election. With the exception of Wilmington/Pender County, ZERO counties with one of the major cities went for Romney/McCrory. Zero.  NC is being dragged down by all those asshole crackers in the east and western portions of the state (the vast majority of those counties are leeches on the state budget). Note also that most of these counties leaned GOP by 25- 40+% percent. This ain't no anomaly.

[netrightdaily.com image 478x258]

Election results by county
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/results/president/north-caroli na /

tl/dr - fark the poor. They elected these assholes.


Don't blame me... I live in one of the blue counties from your map... and voted straight D in 2012. I don't care that I voted straight D this time around. I did not want to vote for any tea partier and voting straight D accomplished that. There might have been a good 'R' candidate that probably should have deserved my vote, but not until they stop pandering to tea partiers... Until then, they will never see a vote from me.
 
2013-06-05 02:03:25 PM

Leader O'Cola: beat me to it. hate those FairTax liars.


As soon as it was branded as a "fair" measure, you knew it wasn't.
 
2013-06-05 02:05:07 PM

ManRay: thurstonxhowell: ManRay: vpb: Yes, I'm sure that will provide enough revenue for the government to run.

The current system is doing so well, it would be stupid to change eh?

My car made a funny noise yesterday. I was thinking of pushing it into a river. It has problems, so anything I do to change that must be good, right?

Oh, no. Lets just tinker with it some more while ignoring the fact that it does not work as is.

One thing we know for sure: whatever we are doing now does not work.


Because the best way to repair something is to destroy it.
 
2013-06-05 02:19:20 PM

Serious Black: Really? This story isn't about Brownbackistan? I'm shocked.


No, it's from NC; our conservative dominated legislature is trying their best to make up for lost time and get NC in line with all the other southern, conservative led states. Of course, that means they're dismantling a highly praised educational system (both college and public), defunding all the regulatory agencies, lowering taxes on the corporations and rich, raising the sales tax on everyone else, and implementing social changes to get us better in line with the desires of the religious far right.

For some reason, they believe that the last 100 years of Democrat led legislatures has forever changed since 2010, and there will never, ever, ever, be a massive backlash caused by all their efforts to turn NC into Conservativeland. I for one continue to encourage them to believe this every time their bills or declarations get publicized, because I'm hearing more and more anger from voters, both Democrat AND Republican, about how the legislature has gone way over the line on many issues.
 
2013-06-05 03:22:25 PM

Fart_Machine: ManRay: thurstonxhowell: ManRay: vpb: Yes, I'm sure that will provide enough revenue for the government to run.

The current system is doing so well, it would be stupid to change eh?

My car made a funny noise yesterday. I was thinking of pushing it into a river. It has problems, so anything I do to change that must be good, right?

Oh, no. Lets just tinker with it some more while ignoring the fact that it does not work as is.

One thing we know for sure: whatever we are doing now does not work.

Because the best way to repair something is to destroy it.


You make a desert and call it peace, right? Worked for the Romans, didn't it?
 
2013-06-05 03:29:05 PM

Smeggy Smurf: The Fair Tax would have been a better solution.  You only pay tax if you want to.  The basic necessities of life are covered.


Do you need that car to get to work?  Is that laptop for your kids to do their homework, or to waste your time on fark? You can't really define necessity. I need a car. But I don't need a $50K car. Do you only tax cars over a certain amount?

Oh, you're going to tax all the cars and the laptops? Because they're not the barest of necessities (unless you want your kids to do well in school, or you want to get to work).

Some a poor parent might not be able to afford the laptop at all.  And the cumulative sales tax for someone making minimum wage might make for an effective tax rate of 10% or more.

While a wealthy person will have an effective tax rate of less than 1%.

Sure, totally fair.

But it gets better: Get any tax on goods higher than about 15% and you get a black market.  Even in something as cheap as a carton of cigs, but most definitely on more expensive items.  The only reason income taxes can be so high is because they're collected before you get your paycheck. I'll drive to a neighboring state to buy that laptop.  Or I'll buy ten and sell them out of my house.  Craigslist will be the new local mall.
 
2013-06-05 06:30:53 PM

hugram: Johnny Swank: You know what? This bill doesn't go far enough. Frankly I'm 110% OK with the dumbass crackers that elected McCrory and Co. with suffering for their votes. They wanted it, let them rot in the streets for all I care. The sooner they're gone, the better.

Here's an electoral map of NC from the last election. With the exception of Wilmington/Pender County, ZERO counties with one of the major cities went for Romney/McCrory. Zero.  NC is being dragged down by all those asshole crackers in the east and western portions of the state (the vast majority of those counties are leeches on the state budget). Note also that most of these counties leaned GOP by 25- 40+% percent. This ain't no anomaly.

[netrightdaily.com image 478x258]

Election results by county
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/results/president/north-caroli na /

tl/dr - fark the poor. They elected these assholes.

Don't blame me... I live in one of the blue counties from your map... and voted straight D in 2012. I don't care that I voted straight D this time around. I did not want to vote for any tea partier and voting straight D accomplished that. There might have been a good 'R' candidate that probably should have deserved my vote, but not until they stop pandering to tea partiers... Until then, they will never see a vote from me.


Did the same thing, but I'm sadly in a red county.  The stuff coming from our lawmakers is making saving what little extra I have to move sound far, Far more appealing.
 
2013-06-05 06:43:44 PM
eagles95
//cant move fast enough

I will never understand why you people are so eager to tell us what cowards you are.
 
2013-06-05 06:46:28 PM

vpb: clambam: Wow, they sure hate poor people in North Carolina.

Right wingers all seem to hate the poor.  I mean really hate them, like they want them dead.


They do because in their small little minds only blah people are poor.
 
2013-06-05 09:14:17 PM

RanDomino: I will never understand why you people are so eager to tell us what cowards you are.


I like to think of it more like a forest fire. You can't squelch the entire blaze, so you retreat to safety, isolate the affected area, and let it burn itself out.
 
2013-06-05 10:00:17 PM
Sergeant Grumbles
I like to think of it more like a forest fire. You can't squelch the entire blaze, so you retreat to safety, isolate the affected area, and let it burn itself out.

Okay, but this one doesn't have any apparent stopping point. Should we all crowd into Minnesota, maybe?
 
2013-06-05 10:34:48 PM

RanDomino: Okay, but this one doesn't have any apparent stopping point. Should we all crowd into Minnesota, maybe?


I think the stopping point is the Boomers dying out. The Republicans aren't picking up new voters, and eventually the old, white majority will cease to be.

Not sure we'd all need to hide in one place, but at least move to a state more inline with your views. I'm in Mark farking Sanford's district. I could move nearly anywhere in the country and get better representation. But with the retiree population here, this place could flip fast as they shove off. And the weather is so nice...
 
2013-06-05 10:43:38 PM
Sergeant Grumbles
I think the stopping point is the Boomers dying out. The Republicans aren't picking up new voters, and eventually the old, white majority will cease to be.

You mean like how the Boomers were waiting for the previous generation to die off?
Once people get privilege they suddenly start wanting to protect it.
Organize or die.
 
2013-06-05 11:03:33 PM

RanDomino: You mean like how the Boomers were waiting for the previous generation to die off?
Once people get privilege they suddenly start wanting to protect it.
Organize or die.


Not going to wholly disagree, but the Boomers have a type of righteous ignorance brought on by exposure to, but lack of understanding of, mass media. We will be massively better off when they're gone. They may have rubbed off on the younger generations, but I don't see the same capacity for cognitive dissonance and the millenials and after especially know the internet is serious business and can fact check. Without the Boomers as an irrational roadblock to anything the TV tells them is socialism, organizing will be easier.
 
2013-06-05 11:11:26 PM
Sergeant Grumbles
We will be massively better off when they're gone.

Great, so just another 40 years. I'm sure there will be something left by then.
 
2013-06-05 11:39:10 PM

RanDomino: Great, so just another 40 years. I'm sure there will be something left by then.


That remains to be seen.
It's just so much more difficult to organize when you have an already largely, if loosely organized group whose knee jerk reaction is to oppose everything you do. Sometimes your only choice is to leave.
 
2013-06-06 01:39:42 AM
Sergeant Grumbles
It's just so much more difficult to organize when you have an already largely, if loosely organized group whose knee jerk reaction is to oppose everything you do. Sometimes your only choice is to leave.

We had the opportunity to form a much more effective group. Instead, middle-class liberals decided to give up because work is hard.
 
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