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2013-06-05 08:45:49 AM
N'o Interne't ta'x o'n apostrophe's!'!
 
2013-06-05 08:54:29 AM
Eventually the poor people are going to realize that the GOP is hosing them down big time.  After all, they're poor, not stupid.
 
2013-06-05 09:07:26 AM
Marcus Aurelius: After all, they're poor, not stupid.


Based upon recent voting patterns, your statement may not be accurate. Far too many people have been duped into voting against their own best interests.
 
2013-06-05 09:15:37 AM
Kasich is trying to do this exact thing in Ohio.
 
2013-06-05 09:26:35 AM
One Democratic amendment would have removed a provision that raises the sales taxes on electricity bills.

Laughter OL.

Take that, poor people!
God, these people are like comic book villains.
 
Bf+
2013-06-05 10:13:41 AM
Why did I just assume this was in Wisconsin?
 
2013-06-05 10:14:45 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Eventually the poor people are going to realize that the GOP is hosing them down big time.  After all, they're poor, not stupid.


Dammit, they're trying to cut the education budget as fast as they can!
 
2013-06-05 10:16:16 AM
Really? This story isn't about Brownbackistan? I'm shocked.
 
2013-06-05 10:16:39 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Eventually the poor people are going to realize that the GOP is hosing them down big time.  After all, they're poor, not stupid.


many are stupid. many will still vote GOP.
 
2013-06-05 10:17:12 AM

sigdiamond2000: One Democratic amendment would have removed a provision that raises the sales taxes on electricity bills.

Laughter OL.

Take that, poor people!
God, these people are like comic book villains.


That'll teach 'em to have refridgerators!
 
2013-06-05 10:17:15 AM
 
2013-06-05 10:18:44 AM
Oh, North Carolina, I thought you were cool getting cooler.  I guess the Republicans are trying to do as much as they can before the Research Triangle turns the state blue.
 
2013-06-05 10:19:44 AM
The legislation would set the personal income tax rate at a flat 5.9 percent, shunning the current tiered system assessing 6 percent to 7.75 percent based on income. The corporate tax rate would also decline over the course of five years to 5.4 percent, from the current 6.9 percent rate.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/06/04/2938348/in-quick-house-panel-a p proves.html#storylink=cpy
Taxing the working poor at a higher rate than businesses. What the fark is wrong with this country?
 
2013-06-05 10:20:11 AM

bonkmeist: Update from this morning -  http://www.wral.com/house-tax-reform-plan-hits-a-speedbump/12517975/


Hah! Stalled in committee. I love it; beaten at their own game.
 
2013-06-05 10:20:29 AM

bonkmeist: Update from this morning -  http://www.wral.com/house-tax-reform-plan-hits-a-speedbump/12517975/


The voice vote was clearly against the motion, but Dollar ruled it had passed, resulting in calls for division - a counted vote - from Republicans and Democrats across the room.

I wonder what kind of bad stuff is in this bill that they tried to sneak it through that way.
 
2013-06-05 10:21:24 AM
It's not just that, they're also trying to make judge elections partisan and repeal a law that makes it legal to appeal your death sentence if it was administered on the basis of your race.

They also gerrymandered the state to near the theoretical maximum.  These people are doing nothing but trying to destroy democracy, and institute totalitarian rule.

//My taxes will go down from the this, but the NC general assembly should all die in a fire.
 
2013-06-05 10:21:41 AM
Wow, they sure hate poor people in North Carolina.
 
2013-06-05 10:21:50 AM
Supported by Gov. Pat McCrory, the bill adds a sales tax to numerous exempt services, such as car repairs and appliance installations ...

Why is there an exemption on appliance installation?

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/06/04/2938348/in-quick-house-panel-a p proves.html#storylink=cpy
 
2013-06-05 10:23:37 AM
The best part (forever)?  The Republicans will convince some of the poor people that it was the Democrats who increased their taxes, cuz soshulizm.
 
2013-06-05 10:25:53 AM

Cletus C.: Why is there an exemption on appliance installation?


www.theculturezone.com
 
2013-06-05 10:27:23 AM

Cletus C.: Supported by Gov. Pat McCrory, the bill adds a sales tax to numerous exempt services, such as car repairs and appliance installations ...

Why is there an exemption on appliance installation?

Read more here: whoringthingthatautoattachesitselftocopyfunctionandshouldalwaysbedelet ed


Always remove that shiat when copying. Doh.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-05 10:27:42 AM

clambam: Wow, they sure hate poor people in North Carolina.


Right wingers all seem to hate the poor.  I mean really hate them, like they want them dead.
 
2013-06-05 10:29:23 AM
By fiscal year 2017-2018, revenue will be cut by $462 million, further limiting what lawmakers can spend on government services such as education, transportation and health care.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/06/04/2938348/in-quick-house-panel-a p proves.html#storylink=cpy
Because that's the only thing that gov't spends money on.

In a split vote, the Finance Committee removed a cap on tax deductions for mortgage interest, charitable contributions and property taxes. The change reduces state revenues by an additional $500 million.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/06/04/2938348/in-quick-house-panel-a p proves.html#storylink=cpy
It's messed up that only the rich pay property taxes, give to charity, or hold a mortgage.
 
2013-06-05 10:32:18 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Cletus C.: Why is there an exemption on appliance installation?

[www.theculturezone.com image 636x480]


Yeah.  It really is an untapped goldmine of revenue.
 
2013-06-05 10:33:02 AM
The Fair Tax would have been a better solution.  You only pay tax if you want to.  The basic necessities of life are covered.  The tax falls on any expenditure for lifestyle.  The rich buy more, they'll pay more.  It's so simple no Rapeublican or Emocrat can understand it.
 
2013-06-05 10:33:58 AM

vudutek: Marcus Aurelius: After all, they're poor, not stupid.


Based upon recent voting patterns, your statement may not be accurate. Far too many people have been duped into voting against their own best interests.


One would think that in a logical world.

But the people will be told that its Obama's fault and the Federal government is starving them of funds.  If it comes out of the mouths of Fox News and Right Wing talk radio, it has to be true!
 
2013-06-05 10:34:17 AM
What is the big deal with taxing the poor? We tax things we want less of (like cigarettes). We want less poor people so taxing them just makes sense.
 
2013-06-05 10:35:04 AM

Mrbogey: By fiscal year 2017-2018, revenue will be cut by $462 million, further limiting what lawmakers can spend on government services such as education, transportation and health care.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/06/04/2938348/in-quick-house-panel-a p proves.html#storylink=cpy
Because that's the only thing that gov't spends money on.

In a split vote, the Finance Committee removed a cap on tax deductions for mortgage interest, charitable contributions and property taxes. The change reduces state revenues by an additional $500 million.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/06/04/2938348/in-quick-house-panel-a p proves.html#storylink=cpy
It's messed up that only the rich pay property taxes, give to charity, or hold a mortgage.


You're unclear on how caps on deductions work, huh?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-05 10:35:17 AM

Smeggy Smurf: The Fair Tax would have been a better solution.  You only pay tax if you want to.  The basic necessities of life are covered.  The tax falls on any expenditure for lifestyle.  The rich buy more, they'll pay more.  It's so simple no Rapeublican or Emocrat can understand it.


Yes, I'm sure that will provide enough revenue for the government to run.
 
2013-06-05 10:35:42 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: The legislation would set the personal income tax rate at a flat 5.9 percent, shunning the current tiered system assessing 6 percent to 7.75 percent based on income. The corporate tax rate would also decline over the course of five years to 5.4 percent, from the current 6.9 percent rate.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/06/04/2938348/in-quick-house-panel-a p proves.html#storylink=cpy
Taxing the working poor at a higher rate than businesses. What the fark is wrong with this country?


That'll teach 'em to be poor!!!!

/something like that, I don't know, I can't get into that mindset
 
2013-06-05 10:36:07 AM
Those poors on welfare and SNAP have it so easy!  Driving around in Cadillacs, eating steak and lobster, and having a gazillion kids all on the taxpayers' dime.  I'm moving to Canada!
 
2013-06-05 10:36:20 AM

vpb: clambam: Wow, they sure hate poor people in North Carolina.

Right wingers all seem to hate the poor.  I mean really hate them, like they want them dead.


Not sure if they want them dead.  But they believe, apparently geuninely, that the poor have been stealing from them and living high on the hog for the past 30 years.
 
2013-06-05 10:36:32 AM
that's awesome, it's going to be great when rednecks go to get their trucks fixed and they have to pay taxes on it now. They can blame barry soberto fartbongo for that too.
 
2013-06-05 10:36:47 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Eventually the poor people are going to realize that the GOP is hosing them down big time.  After all, they're poor, not stupid.


No, no they won't realize it, because yes, yes they are stupid. Those who are poor and are not stupid eventually end up middle class and Democrat. We have a bias against thinking people are just too farking stupid to be function members of society, but the reality is 50% of the US population are just too farking stupid.
 
2013-06-05 10:37:57 AM
Bf+
Why did I just assume this was in Wisconsin?

Because the same thing is going on here right now?
 
2013-06-05 10:40:50 AM

Arkanaut: Oh, North Carolina, I thought you were cool getting cooler.  I guess the Republicans are trying to do as much as they can before the Research Triangle turns the state blue.


As an Iowan, Watching what has happened in North Carolina in the last few years makes me nervous. Our elected officials desperate to follow in their footsteps.

Marcus Aurelius: Eventually the poor people are going to realize that the GOP is hosing them down big time.  After all, they're poor, not stupid.


Stupid, no. Gullible... that's another story.
 
2013-06-05 10:40:57 AM
Argleskininthegamebargle!!!!
 
2013-06-05 10:41:15 AM

Bf+: Why did I just assume this was in Wisconsin?


Lol same here.

NC would've been a good guess too.
 
2013-06-05 10:41:55 AM

Bf+: Why did I just assume this was in Wisconsin?


Same here.  Gee, the joint budget committee's vote last night might not have affected that...*rats*
 
2013-06-05 10:42:36 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: The legislation would set the personal income tax rate at a flat 5.9 percent, shunning the current tiered system assessing 6 percent to 7.75 percent based on income. The corporate tax rate would also decline over the course of five years to 5.4 percent, from the current 6.9 percent rate.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/06/04/2938348/in-quick-house-panel-a p proves.html#storylink=cpy
Taxing the working poor at a higher rate than businesses. What the fark is wrong with this country?


Wait till they figure out that it's business hostile to tax the poor more than business and rich people. If the poor and middle class have less money in their pocket, guess where they don't spend it? Go ahead, guess.
 
2013-06-05 10:45:11 AM
This is kind of simliar to what Jindal was proposing down in Louisiana.
 
2013-06-05 10:45:42 AM
 Shifting the tax burden from Corporations to working people? Sounds pretty standard fare for a republican state.
 
2013-06-05 10:47:11 AM
Because this is GOP-controlled NC, I'm certain there will be great comedy to be found in this budget...stay tuned...
 
2013-06-05 10:48:50 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Marcus Aurelius: Eventually the poor people are going to realize that the GOP is hosing them down big time.  After all, they're poor, not stupid.

No, no they won't realize it, because yes, yes they are stupid. Those who are poor and are not stupid eventually end up middle class and Democrat. We have a bias against thinking people are just too farking stupid to be function members of society, but the reality is 50% of the US population are just too farking stupid.


Actually with how bad we're gerrymandered they don't need close to 50%.  In NC for the US house (don't know state gov numbers) republicans got 2.14 mil votes in 2012 and dems got 2.22 mil votes.  Yet there are 9 Rs and 4 Ds in the US house...  This state is going to be messed up for a long time.
 
2013-06-05 10:52:44 AM
Well duh. Poor folks don't line your political coffers, rich donors and corporations do. So who do you think is going to get their taxes cut?
 
2013-06-05 10:55:29 AM
Fun. So we get to see in NC what it would have been like if Romney had been Prez.

/needs more popcorn than the winter at Professor Hathaway's house
 
2013-06-05 10:56:21 AM
It's like they're trying to build a caste system in America.  Not quite like India had, but with hard barriers between people.
 
2013-06-05 10:56:56 AM

vpb: Yes, I'm sure that will provide enough revenue for the government to run.


The current system is doing so well, it would be stupid to change eh?
 
2013-06-05 10:57:57 AM

Smeggy Smurf: The Fair Tax would have been a better solution.  You only pay tax if you want to.  The basic necessities of life are covered.  The tax falls on any expenditure for lifestyle.  The rich buy more, they'll pay more.  It's so simple no Rapeublican or Emocrat can understand it.


You do realize those proponents of a "Fair Tax" are lying to you from the get go right? The number they keep stating is a 23 percent sales tax, but in reality it is a 30 percent sales tax. How can they say 23 percent and not 30 percent? Simple, the tax is added at retail time so if you buy something for a 1.00 you get charged an extra 30 cents. Now I know you would say, not I get charged an extra 23 cents, but that 23 percent is that 30 cents of 130 cents is 23 percent of the total.

That's right those proponents of a "Fair Tax"can't even be honest when talking about how much it will really cost. The question is what else are they lying to you about? Well a "Fair Tax"would be a tax increase, because we have a graduated tax system in the US. You would pay 30% consumption tax on everything you buy, which means all goods and services would increase by 30%, but your income would not increase proportionally, because you are not taxed at 30% on all portions of your income. With deductions and tax breaks most people get taxed no where near 30%.  A "Fair Tax" is a tax increase and a tax increase on the poor and middle class, because those are the people least likely to be able to save money.
 
2013-06-05 10:58:55 AM
All of the derp coming out of my home state is making me consider work's offer to have me relocate to Boulder, CO.  I don't know if I can deal with another 2+ years of this teabagger insanity.

Just like the "keep big government out of your lives" GOP-supermajority in the state legislature that passed a bill to change how Wake County (Raleigh) elects its school board, because the voters last November had the audacity to kick out the tea party majority on the board.  But the local Republicans see no contradiction between "big government" and having the state legislature swoop in and change your local election rules.
 
2013-06-05 11:02:37 AM

ManRay: vpb: Yes, I'm sure that will provide enough revenue for the government to run.

The current system is doing so well, it would be stupid to change eh?


My car made a funny noise yesterday. I was thinking of pushing it into a river. It has problems, so anything I do to change that must be good, right?
 
2013-06-05 11:03:01 AM
I only have so many farks to give and I go through them fast enough over things that are actually made law. I can't give an farks about a friggin' committee vote.
 
2013-06-05 11:07:21 AM
www.empowernetwork.com
 
2013-06-05 11:10:57 AM
It's an amazing thing. The tyranny of the majority has lead to a large number of people supporting policies that actively enrich a small minority at their own expense. Social engineering at its most effective. Lesson: you can do anything if you get people skeerd of their own shadow.
 
2013-06-05 11:17:33 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Smeggy Smurf: The Fair Tax would have been a better solution.  You only pay tax if you want to.  The basic necessities of life are covered.  The tax falls on any expenditure for lifestyle.  The rich buy more, they'll pay more.  It's so simple no Rapeublican or Emocrat can understand it.

You do realize those proponents of a "Fair Tax" are lying to you from the get go right? The number they keep stating is a 23 percent sales tax, but in reality it is a 30 percent sales tax. How can they say 23 percent and not 30 percent? Simple, the tax is added at retail time so if you buy something for a 1.00 you get charged an extra 30 cents. Now I know you would say, not I get charged an extra 23 cents, but that 23 percent is that 30 cents of 130 cents is 23 percent of the total.

That's right those proponents of a "Fair Tax"can't even be honest when talking about how much it will really cost. The question is what else are they lying to you about? Well a "Fair Tax"would be a tax increase, because we have a graduated tax system in the US. You would pay 30% consumption tax on everything you buy, which means all goods and services would increase by 30%, but your income would not increase proportionally, because you are not taxed at 30% on all portions of your income. With deductions and tax breaks most people get taxed no where near 30%.  A "Fair Tax" is a tax increase and a tax increase on the poor and middle class, because those are the people least likely to be able to save money.



beat me to it.  hate those FairTax liars.
 
2013-06-05 11:19:35 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Eventually the poor people are going to realize that the GOP is hosing them down big time.  After all, they're poor, not stupid.


Nope. Their pastors have them convinced that it's god's will for them to suffer like jesus (you think it was easy conjuring up all that fish?).  It only serves to make them douchier than they are now.

//bless their little hearts
 
2013-06-05 11:20:32 AM

theorellior: It's an amazing thing. The tyranny of the majority has lead to a large number of people supporting policies that actively enrich a small minority at their own expense. Social engineering at its most effective. Lesson: you can do anything if you get people skeerd of their own shadow.


IMO they aren't scared they base all their policy decisions out of spite.
 
2013-06-05 11:21:15 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Eventually the poor people are going to realize that the GOP is hosing them down big time.  After all, they're poor, not stupid.


It's North Carolina. Why can't they be both?
 
2013-06-05 11:23:47 AM
This is today's GOP is reduced to. When confronted with fiscal realities, their vision for the country simply doesn't work. No matter how hard you pull on your bootstraps. So they have to sneak a huge tax bill under the radar so it doesn't end up in the news cycle and pundit-land. While I sort of admire such weaselry in politics(it's a game played by weasels, mostly), I think it's important to note the underlying cause of this. The entire GOP is living a lie about how much we need to spend to keep this place running.

And if they are serious about implementing a real flat tax(which they aren't), this ain't the way to go about it.
 
2013-06-05 11:28:40 AM

thurstonxhowell: ManRay: vpb: Yes, I'm sure that will provide enough revenue for the government to run.

The current system is doing so well, it would be stupid to change eh?

My car made a funny noise yesterday. I was thinking of pushing it into a river. It has problems, so anything I do to change that must be good, right?


Oh, no. Lets just tinker with it some more while ignoring the fact that it does not work as is.

One thing we know for sure: whatever we are doing now does not work.
 
2013-06-05 11:43:47 AM
Kansas?

*Clicks link*

Ah, North Carolina.  Same thing.
 
2013-06-05 11:53:55 AM

ikanreed: It's not just that, they're also trying to make judge elections partisan and repeal a law that makes it legal to appeal your death sentence if it was administered on the basis of your race.


Wow.  What was the reasoning behind repealing that.  Besides just really wanting to see a black guy swing at the end of a rope?
 
2013-06-05 11:57:10 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Eventually the poor people are going to realize that the GOP is hosing them down big time.  After all, they're poor, not stupid.


There is a high correlation between the two. And many poor people will always vote R, because Jesus.
 
2013-06-05 12:21:00 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Eventually the poor people are going to realize that the GOP is hosing them down big time.  After all, they're poor, not stupid.


a lot of them are.
 
2013-06-05 12:28:44 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: What the fark is wrong with this country?


It's inhabited mostly by Americans.
 
2013-06-05 12:29:49 PM
Why dont the Tea Baggers protest THIS crap???

I thought being anti-tax was their whole schtick.
 
2013-06-05 12:44:27 PM

ManRay: thurstonxhowell: ManRay: vpb: Yes, I'm sure that will provide enough revenue for the government to run.

The current system is doing so well, it would be stupid to change eh?

My car made a funny noise yesterday. I was thinking of pushing it into a river. It has problems, so anything I do to change that must be good, right?

Oh, no. Lets just tinker with it some more while ignoring the fact that it does not work as is.

One thing we know for sure: whatever we are doing now does not work.


Right. So I should push my car into the river. That makes more sense than tinkering with it.
 
2013-06-05 01:32:24 PM

Bf+: Why did I just assume this was in Wisconsin?


Walker is trying...dont worry. Can't wait till his 2nd term.


/sigh
//cant move fast enough
 
2013-06-05 01:39:31 PM
You know what? This bill doesn't go far enough. Frankly I'm 110% OK with the dumbass crackers that elected McCrory and Co. with suffering for their votes. They wanted it, let them rot in the streets for all I care. The sooner they're gone, the better.

Here's an electoral map of NC from the last election. With the exception of Wilmington/Pender County, ZERO counties with one of the major cities went for Romney/McCrory. Zero.  NC is being dragged down by all those asshole crackers in the east and western portions of the state (the vast majority of those counties are leeches on the state budget). Note also that most of these counties leaned GOP by 25- 40+% percent. This ain't no anomaly.

netrightdaily.com

Election results by county
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/results/president/north-caroli na /

tl/dr - fark the poor. They elected these assholes.
 
2013-06-05 01:52:58 PM

Johnny Swank: You know what? This bill doesn't go far enough. Frankly I'm 110% OK with the dumbass crackers that elected McCrory and Co. with suffering for their votes. They wanted it, let them rot in the streets for all I care. The sooner they're gone, the better.

Here's an electoral map of NC from the last election. With the exception of Wilmington/Pender County, ZERO counties with one of the major cities went for Romney/McCrory. Zero.  NC is being dragged down by all those asshole crackers in the east and western portions of the state (the vast majority of those counties are leeches on the state budget). Note also that most of these counties leaned GOP by 25- 40+% percent. This ain't no anomaly.

[netrightdaily.com image 478x258]

Election results by county
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/results/president/north-caroli na /

tl/dr - fark the poor. They elected these assholes.


Don't blame me... I live in one of the blue counties from your map... and voted straight D in 2012. I don't care that I voted straight D this time around. I did not want to vote for any tea partier and voting straight D accomplished that. There might have been a good 'R' candidate that probably should have deserved my vote, but not until they stop pandering to tea partiers... Until then, they will never see a vote from me.
 
2013-06-05 02:03:25 PM

Leader O'Cola: beat me to it. hate those FairTax liars.


As soon as it was branded as a "fair" measure, you knew it wasn't.
 
2013-06-05 02:05:07 PM

ManRay: thurstonxhowell: ManRay: vpb: Yes, I'm sure that will provide enough revenue for the government to run.

The current system is doing so well, it would be stupid to change eh?

My car made a funny noise yesterday. I was thinking of pushing it into a river. It has problems, so anything I do to change that must be good, right?

Oh, no. Lets just tinker with it some more while ignoring the fact that it does not work as is.

One thing we know for sure: whatever we are doing now does not work.


Because the best way to repair something is to destroy it.
 
2013-06-05 02:19:20 PM

Serious Black: Really? This story isn't about Brownbackistan? I'm shocked.


No, it's from NC; our conservative dominated legislature is trying their best to make up for lost time and get NC in line with all the other southern, conservative led states. Of course, that means they're dismantling a highly praised educational system (both college and public), defunding all the regulatory agencies, lowering taxes on the corporations and rich, raising the sales tax on everyone else, and implementing social changes to get us better in line with the desires of the religious far right.

For some reason, they believe that the last 100 years of Democrat led legislatures has forever changed since 2010, and there will never, ever, ever, be a massive backlash caused by all their efforts to turn NC into Conservativeland. I for one continue to encourage them to believe this every time their bills or declarations get publicized, because I'm hearing more and more anger from voters, both Democrat AND Republican, about how the legislature has gone way over the line on many issues.
 
2013-06-05 03:22:25 PM

Fart_Machine: ManRay: thurstonxhowell: ManRay: vpb: Yes, I'm sure that will provide enough revenue for the government to run.

The current system is doing so well, it would be stupid to change eh?

My car made a funny noise yesterday. I was thinking of pushing it into a river. It has problems, so anything I do to change that must be good, right?

Oh, no. Lets just tinker with it some more while ignoring the fact that it does not work as is.

One thing we know for sure: whatever we are doing now does not work.

Because the best way to repair something is to destroy it.


You make a desert and call it peace, right? Worked for the Romans, didn't it?
 
2013-06-05 03:29:05 PM

Smeggy Smurf: The Fair Tax would have been a better solution.  You only pay tax if you want to.  The basic necessities of life are covered.


Do you need that car to get to work?  Is that laptop for your kids to do their homework, or to waste your time on fark? You can't really define necessity. I need a car. But I don't need a $50K car. Do you only tax cars over a certain amount?

Oh, you're going to tax all the cars and the laptops? Because they're not the barest of necessities (unless you want your kids to do well in school, or you want to get to work).

Some a poor parent might not be able to afford the laptop at all.  And the cumulative sales tax for someone making minimum wage might make for an effective tax rate of 10% or more.

While a wealthy person will have an effective tax rate of less than 1%.

Sure, totally fair.

But it gets better: Get any tax on goods higher than about 15% and you get a black market.  Even in something as cheap as a carton of cigs, but most definitely on more expensive items.  The only reason income taxes can be so high is because they're collected before you get your paycheck. I'll drive to a neighboring state to buy that laptop.  Or I'll buy ten and sell them out of my house.  Craigslist will be the new local mall.
 
2013-06-05 06:30:53 PM

hugram: Johnny Swank: You know what? This bill doesn't go far enough. Frankly I'm 110% OK with the dumbass crackers that elected McCrory and Co. with suffering for their votes. They wanted it, let them rot in the streets for all I care. The sooner they're gone, the better.

Here's an electoral map of NC from the last election. With the exception of Wilmington/Pender County, ZERO counties with one of the major cities went for Romney/McCrory. Zero.  NC is being dragged down by all those asshole crackers in the east and western portions of the state (the vast majority of those counties are leeches on the state budget). Note also that most of these counties leaned GOP by 25- 40+% percent. This ain't no anomaly.

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Election results by county
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/results/president/north-caroli na /

tl/dr - fark the poor. They elected these assholes.

Don't blame me... I live in one of the blue counties from your map... and voted straight D in 2012. I don't care that I voted straight D this time around. I did not want to vote for any tea partier and voting straight D accomplished that. There might have been a good 'R' candidate that probably should have deserved my vote, but not until they stop pandering to tea partiers... Until then, they will never see a vote from me.


Did the same thing, but I'm sadly in a red county.  The stuff coming from our lawmakers is making saving what little extra I have to move sound far, Far more appealing.
 
2013-06-05 06:43:44 PM
eagles95
//cant move fast enough

I will never understand why you people are so eager to tell us what cowards you are.
 
2013-06-05 06:46:28 PM

vpb: clambam: Wow, they sure hate poor people in North Carolina.

Right wingers all seem to hate the poor.  I mean really hate them, like they want them dead.


They do because in their small little minds only blah people are poor.
 
2013-06-05 09:14:17 PM

RanDomino: I will never understand why you people are so eager to tell us what cowards you are.


I like to think of it more like a forest fire. You can't squelch the entire blaze, so you retreat to safety, isolate the affected area, and let it burn itself out.
 
2013-06-05 10:00:17 PM
Sergeant Grumbles
I like to think of it more like a forest fire. You can't squelch the entire blaze, so you retreat to safety, isolate the affected area, and let it burn itself out.

Okay, but this one doesn't have any apparent stopping point. Should we all crowd into Minnesota, maybe?
 
2013-06-05 10:34:48 PM

RanDomino: Okay, but this one doesn't have any apparent stopping point. Should we all crowd into Minnesota, maybe?


I think the stopping point is the Boomers dying out. The Republicans aren't picking up new voters, and eventually the old, white majority will cease to be.

Not sure we'd all need to hide in one place, but at least move to a state more inline with your views. I'm in Mark farking Sanford's district. I could move nearly anywhere in the country and get better representation. But with the retiree population here, this place could flip fast as they shove off. And the weather is so nice...
 
2013-06-05 10:43:38 PM
Sergeant Grumbles
I think the stopping point is the Boomers dying out. The Republicans aren't picking up new voters, and eventually the old, white majority will cease to be.

You mean like how the Boomers were waiting for the previous generation to die off?
Once people get privilege they suddenly start wanting to protect it.
Organize or die.
 
2013-06-05 11:03:33 PM

RanDomino: You mean like how the Boomers were waiting for the previous generation to die off?
Once people get privilege they suddenly start wanting to protect it.
Organize or die.


Not going to wholly disagree, but the Boomers have a type of righteous ignorance brought on by exposure to, but lack of understanding of, mass media. We will be massively better off when they're gone. They may have rubbed off on the younger generations, but I don't see the same capacity for cognitive dissonance and the millenials and after especially know the internet is serious business and can fact check. Without the Boomers as an irrational roadblock to anything the TV tells them is socialism, organizing will be easier.
 
2013-06-05 11:11:26 PM
Sergeant Grumbles
We will be massively better off when they're gone.

Great, so just another 40 years. I'm sure there will be something left by then.
 
2013-06-05 11:39:10 PM

RanDomino: Great, so just another 40 years. I'm sure there will be something left by then.


That remains to be seen.
It's just so much more difficult to organize when you have an already largely, if loosely organized group whose knee jerk reaction is to oppose everything you do. Sometimes your only choice is to leave.
 
2013-06-06 01:39:42 AM
Sergeant Grumbles
It's just so much more difficult to organize when you have an already largely, if loosely organized group whose knee jerk reaction is to oppose everything you do. Sometimes your only choice is to leave.

We had the opportunity to form a much more effective group. Instead, middle-class liberals decided to give up because work is hard.
 
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