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2013-06-05 10:13:26 AM
If this is your first night, you have to fight
 
2013-06-05 10:19:32 AM
I want things both for myself and to give to others.  I want to go to places.  I need money to exchange for goods and services in those places.
 
2013-06-05 10:29:07 AM
Because I can't trust you young people not to fark it all up with your lazy ways.
 
2013-06-05 10:42:57 AM
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2013-06-05 11:36:28 AM

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Nice.
 
2013-06-05 11:45:07 AM
Sorry, but I spent a good part of my life broke with lots of free time. Financial freedom allows you plenty of ways to pursue your passions.
 
2013-06-05 11:47:32 AM
I wonder if this is one of the reasons many people go into a funk shortly after they retire, and seem to age faster.
 
2013-06-05 11:48:34 AM
I'm lucky enough to work in a field where I am here because I am interested in doing it, not because of the money.  If I was money-driven, I could be doing something else where I could make a hell of a lot more of it.

I do think this article hits an important point in the sense that I want to do something I find meaningful and noteworthy, at least for me.  Another adventure I have had in my life was going off and traveling around the world for six months when I was 23 years old straight out of undergrad- and don't get me wrong, I learned more that time than I did in college in many ways, but one thing I learned was in terms of things I want to do I need to feel like I'm using my abilities to do something I like.  So while yes, I could've easily become a beach bum in Thailand, I would get bored quickly and when I get bored I think about how I'm wasting my life.  And who wants to think that?

/but then if I won the lottery, I genuinely think I'd still be doing what I'm doing now
 
2013-06-05 11:51:10 AM

Diogenes: I wonder if this is one of the reasons many people go into a funk shortly after they retire, and seem to age faster.


I agree.  My dad retired and promptly had a heart attack about a month after said retirement, in large part I think because he was so paranoid of thinking his life was over.
 
2013-06-05 12:09:21 PM
Well, I do plan to work in some capacity for most of my life, but that's more because I think the act *of working* (So long as it's something I enjoy) will be a good way to help prolong my life and keep me active and mentally fit.
 
2013-06-05 12:12:05 PM

Andromeda: Diogenes: I wonder if this is one of the reasons many people go into a funk shortly after they retire, and seem to age faster.

I agree.  My dad retired and promptly had a heart attack about a month after said retirement, in large part I think because he was so paranoid of thinking his life was over.


That's because of our corrosive social model that you are only worth something if you are working. Most jobs are nothing but theater trying to convince the other people that you're the important one.

And also probably because retirement age is fine-tuned to suck the most life out of people before they fall apart.
 
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2013-06-05 12:13:07 PM

Andromeda: Diogenes: I wonder if this is one of the reasons many people go into a funk shortly after they retire, and seem to age faster.

I agree.  My dad retired and promptly had a heart attack about a month after said retirement, in large part I think because he was so paranoid of thinking his life was over.


that's funny.
 
2013-06-05 12:15:06 PM

Why are you working yourself to death?


I'm not, but thanks for asking.
 
2013-06-05 12:15:15 PM
In a country like ours, where health care is rationed on the basis of wealth and social class, having wealth vastly increases your chance of survival. So there's at least some rational basis for it.
 
2013-06-05 12:18:40 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: That's because of our corrosive social model that you are only worth something if you are working. Most jobs are nothing but theater trying to convince the other people that you're the important one.

And also probably because retirement age is fine-tuned to suck the most life out of people before they fall apart.


I keep hunting for a job that will pay me not to be there. I want money to go do things.
 
2013-06-05 12:21:59 PM
I've always thought that the Beatles singing "(Money) Can't Buy Me Love" was a paradox.

/They were ironic, when ironic wasn't cool
 
2013-06-05 12:23:16 PM
some people just like to work, work != productive tho, but the alternative of no work can literally brainwash people (with no outside influence required) into thinking that doing lots of work is good for them regardless of pay or personal fulfillment

it's sort of like why people will literally exercise themselves to death, because the more they exercise the more they're afraid they'll be unhealthy when ironically being lazy is the body's way of healing

that said, it's easy to espouse this stuff, harder to live by it when we're all working for peanuts
 
2013-06-05 12:23:32 PM

alwaysjaded: Sorry, but I spent a good part of my life broke with lots of free time. Financial freedom allows you plenty of ways to pursue your passions.


There is a difference between working 30 hours a week instead of 40 and living in a smaller house and being broke. Give me the 30 hour week and the smaller house, other people get to work 2 jobs to ensure that they can "have it all."
 
2013-06-05 12:23:33 PM
I want to live long enough to watch it all burn.
 
2013-06-05 12:24:44 PM
Sadly I've come to terms with the fact that everyone I meet or look at will all share the same fate with death. Sure money can prolong the inevitable, but that implies that quality of life is dictated by how long you live and not what you do while you're alive.

This is why I personally try to adopt some Japanese samurai philosophy in my daily life, so I live my life practically as if I am already dead. That way I can savor the little moments I have doing the things I do.
 
2013-06-05 12:26:21 PM

Diogenes: I wonder if this is one of the reasons many people go into a funk shortly after they retire, and seem to age faster.


man, you are so right...they go into a funk, then get sick...very sick.

i work in healthcare  (ct/mri), and seldom a week goes by that i don't see someone who is EXACTLY as you describe.

me, i'm never going to retire, for that reason.  i might change jobs to something i enjoy a bit more, and work less hours per week...but, to TOTALLY stop working?  ain't gonna happen.
 
2013-06-05 12:27:05 PM

DerAppie: alwaysjaded: Sorry, but I spent a good part of my life broke with lots of free time. Financial freedom allows you plenty of ways to pursue your passions.

There is a difference between working 30 hours a week instead of 40 and living in a smaller house and being broke. Give me the 30 hour week and the smaller house, other people get to work 2 jobs to ensure that they can "have it all."


Yep. I work where I do because it allows me to live where I want.
 
2013-06-05 12:28:24 PM
The unconscious connection between acquiring wealth and living forever has been revealed by a team of American and Polish psychologists in a series of ingenious experiments.

I'm calling bull$#!t.
 
2013-06-05 12:28:32 PM

jso2897: In a country like ours, where health care is rationed on the basis of wealth and social class, having wealth vastly increases your chance of survival. So there's at least some rational basis for it.


All countries ration health care.
What was your point?

No country has infinite, free care for everyone.
Lines have to be drawn somewhere.
You ration who gets that liver. It goes to the healthy match who is not an alcoholic, rather than the drunk who destroyed his liver drinking.
No country can afford to keep everyone on life-support long after they are brain dead.

So, rationing happens.
The US, with its for profit model, just rations health care differently and mostly immorally.
 
2013-06-05 12:31:39 PM

LegacyDL: This is why I personally try to adopt some Japanese samurai philosophy in my daily life, so I live my life practically as if I am already dead. That way I can savor the little moments I have doing the things I do.


Enjoy life now.
Rational planning for the future, rather than delaying everything for when you retire.

The number of miserable people that I know, who are so unhappy and frugal today, saving for that mythical future.

Dont get me started on the relatives who were planning on retiring in their 50s but forgot to move their retirement OUT OF STOCKS and then 2007 hit!!!
ROFL (asshole republicans getting screwed by their own!)
 
2013-06-05 12:32:52 PM

mdeesnuts: Quantum Apostrophe: That's because of our corrosive social model that you are only worth something if you are working. Most jobs are nothing but theater trying to convince the other people that you're the important one.

And also probably because retirement age is fine-tuned to suck the most life out of people before they fall apart.

I keep hunting for a job that will pay me not to be there. I want money to go do things.


Secret shopper.
 
2013-06-05 12:33:17 PM

stir22: ...but, to TOTALLY stop working?  ain't gonna happen.


I think this helps prove their point. That you believe you won't ever stop working sounds like you may (subconsciously) believe you've found a way to stay alive forever.
 
2013-06-05 12:33:41 PM
I'm looking for a high-pay, low-stress job if anybody has one.

Otherwise, I'm retiring in 37 days, 5 hours, and 28 minutes at the ripe old age of 55. We'll be on a shoestring budget but at least we can afford health insurance.

/I quit.
 
2013-06-05 12:35:14 PM

namatad: jso2897: In a country like ours, where health care is rationed on the basis of wealth and social class, having wealth vastly increases your chance of survival. So there's at least some rational basis for it.

All countries ration health care.
What was your point?

No country has infinite, free care for everyone.
Lines have to be drawn somewhere.
You ration who gets that liver. It goes to the healthy match who is not an alcoholic, rather than the drunk who destroyed his liver drinking.
No country can afford to keep everyone on life-support long after they are brain dead.

So, rationing happens.
The US, with its for profit model, just rations health care differently and mostly immorally.


I am aware of that, and wasn't stating it as a criticism of our particular system - it is simply a reason that one might live longer by making more money. I apologize for whatever heresy I committed by mentioning it.
 
2013-06-05 12:35:48 PM
"Another of their experiments was based on a well-established, if curious, phenomenon:  We tend to overestimate the physical size of things we consider to be important."


I tend to overestimate the size of my penis.
 
2013-06-05 12:35:58 PM
Here's an "ingenious" experiment.  Put FW: FW: FW: in front of this sentence and add "that they don't want you to know!" and tell me it doesn't sound like complete bullshiat.

The unconscious connection between acquiring wealth and living forever has been revealed by a team of American and Polish psychologists in a series of ingenious experiments.
 
2013-06-05 12:37:39 PM
No. It's because we want enough to retire on without having to keep knowing that social security is never enough.  We also hope more than just that so we can go all the places we've never been.  Then those same future old fart selves will complain we can never enjoy them because our joints are acting up, it's too cold, it's too hot, where are my dentures, why can't I  ZZZZZZZZ snort wha?...
 
2013-06-05 12:38:41 PM
Even in the most capitalistic, winner take all economy, working enriches yourself and the common good.


The more people in the community (in this case, the world community) that are working, the better the economy is. The better the economy is, the more money is available for scientific research. The more scientific research that is done, the better health care and other quality of life technology progresses. The more progress, the price lowers and becomes available for more people. In the end, people live longer and better all over the world. Every CEO, entrepreneur, mid-career salaryman and entry level burger flipper enriches the entire human population in some small way, every time he goes to work.
 
2013-06-05 12:40:43 PM
To reach the Western Lands is to free yourself from fear. You free yourself from fear by cowering inside your physical body for eternity? Your body is a boat to be set aside when you reach the far shore; or sell it, if you can find a fool. It's full of holes, it's full of holes.

/marginally obscure
 
2013-06-05 12:41:03 PM

stir22: Diogenes: I wonder if this is one of the reasons many people go into a funk shortly after they retire, and seem to age faster.

man, you are so right...they go into a funk, then get sick...very sick.

i work in healthcare  (ct/mri), and seldom a week goes by that i don't see someone who is EXACTLY as you describe.

me, i'm never going to retire, for that reason.  i might change jobs to something i enjoy a bit more, and work less hours per week...but, to TOTALLY stop working?  ain't gonna happen.


This.

A former neighbor retired from being an airline mechanic. He was fine for about 2 weeks, then he was up at all hours mowing his lawn, our lawn, and just doing anything to stay busy.
 
2013-06-05 12:41:14 PM

Rapmaster2000: Here's an "ingenious" experiment.  Put FW: FW: FW: in front of this sentence and add "that they don't want you to know!" and tell me it doesn't sound like complete bullshiat.

The unconscious connection between acquiring wealth and living forever has been revealed by a team of American and Polish psychologists in a series of ingenious experiments.


$19.95 ?
 
2013-06-05 12:41:50 PM

jso2897: namatad: jso2897: In a country like ours, where health care is rationed on the basis of wealth and social class, having wealth vastly increases your chance of survival. So there's at least some rational basis for it.

All countries ration health care.
What was your point?

No country has infinite, free care for everyone.
Lines have to be drawn somewhere.
You ration who gets that liver. It goes to the healthy match who is not an alcoholic, rather than the drunk who destroyed his liver drinking.
No country can afford to keep everyone on life-support long after they are brain dead.

So, rationing happens.
The US, with its for profit model, just rations health care differently and mostly immorally.

I am aware of that, and wasn't stating it as a criticism of our particular system - it is simply a reason that one might live longer by making more money. I apologize for whatever heresy I committed by mentioning it.


NEVER apologize for making a clearly factual statement here on Fark. That is unless you're being sarcastic. Then it's an obvious choice... which, by the way, is what your comment reeks of. Done well.
 
2013-06-05 12:42:20 PM
No, I don't.  I'm actually strongly considering a 5-10 year plan which involves selling the house, using the profit to buy cheaper (and larger) property elsewhere, and living in a lower COL area.  I think I can get by with lots less money, especially with a paid off house.  The only hole in the plan is how the fark do you afford health insurance on your own if you aren't actual retirement age.  At that point I'd love to start my own small business.
 
2013-06-05 12:43:23 PM
DerAppie:

There is a difference between working 30 hours a week instead of 40 and living in a smaller house and being broke. Give me the 30 hour week and the smaller house, other people get to work 2 jobs to ensure that they can "have it all."

Which is fine if that's what suits your needs. It's just the author was making a lot of blanket statements about worth tied into money, identity tied into job and that study was a little iffy. Sometimes people are just working a lot because they're trying to reach a goal of some kind.
 
2013-06-05 12:44:18 PM

Andromeda: /but then if I won the lottery, I genuinely think I'd still be doing what I'm doing now


I know I would, I'd just have way fancier gear. I might not make a lot doing what I do, but it makes me happy, my wife's happy that I'm happy, and I'm a genuinely better person for it- I'm no longer mired in depression, because I look forward to doing what I do, even if it means getting up early and working late into the night.

namatad: The number of miserable people that I know, who are so unhappy and frugal today, saving for that mythical future.


Not necessarily frugal, even- but stuck working jobs and hours that they complain about all the time? This makes NO sense to me whatsoever.

/I'm sure you'll be "enjoying" your accumulated wealth a whole lot more when you're old enough that it hurts just to move around, if you can at all
 
2013-06-05 12:44:33 PM
I think you're the same as me
We see things they'll never see
You and I are gonna live forever
We're gonna live forever
 
2013-06-05 12:45:47 PM

stir22: Diogenes: I wonder if this is one of the reasons many people go into a funk shortly after they retire, and seem to age faster.

man, you are so right...they go into a funk, then get sick...very sick.

i work in healthcare  (ct/mri), and seldom a week goes by that i don't see someone who is EXACTLY as you describe.

me, i'm never going to retire, for that reason.  i might change jobs to something i enjoy a bit more, and work less hours per week...but, to TOTALLY stop working?  ain't gonna happen.


I think those kinds of people act like retirement is not a long vacation, but a long weekend. And they never did shiat on the weekends.
 
2013-06-05 12:45:49 PM
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2013-06-05 12:46:08 PM

alwaysjaded: Sorry, but I spent a good part of my life broke with lots of free time. Financial freedom allows you plenty of ways to pursue your passions.


Hookers and blow ain't free.
 
2013-06-05 12:47:31 PM
Not saving because I want to live forever - but saving because I'm worried I'm going to live a very long time.

Took care of myself, feel great for my age, look 20 years younger than I am (that's what I'm told), and have very good genetics. Mom, at 80, still very very active and healthy.

So I imagine getting to 90 or so and not wanting to have to make tough financial choices. And, not having to make the trip to 90 with skimping and denying along the way.

Working now, putting it away, paying off the house, not buying crap to clog up the closets...and enjoying each day because I could, after all, be completely wrong.
 
2013-06-05 12:50:22 PM
Did they open a Soylent Green Factory? 'Cause I am so there.

Dear Mr. Carl Owens

It is my pleasure to inform you that on of your former students, Mr. Harry Freakstorm has made something of himself. On May 26th 1978, you were reported that you considered believed this to be an impossibility. Mr. Freakstorm's departing wish was that we'd deliver this message in person and end it with a Nelson Muntz "Haw Haw" but his ability to verify our promises are currently very limited. So we wrote you instead.

Haw Haw

(Signed)
The Soylent Green Factory
 
2013-06-05 12:50:28 PM
I seriously hope I die at 80.

Anything more than that just seems like a waste of resources and a drag on the family.
 
2013-06-05 12:51:04 PM
all those old bored people that funk out when they quit working seriously need to be introduced to some sort of RPG.  Hell, a game like Skyrim or Fallout3 could keep an old coot active and exploring for years.

/no, pawpaw, the grass doesn't need to be mown again this week, but those bandits out by Whiterun sure do need some killing and I am fairly sure that mutie bastard in that collapsed tunnel near Megaton has some bike handles and engine parts you could use.
 
2013-06-05 12:51:12 PM
Where on earth is the lower COL area?

Carn: living in a lower COL area.

 
2013-06-05 12:53:42 PM

Diogenes: I wonder if this is one of the reasons many people go into a funk shortly after they retire, and seem to age faster.


Pretty much this. My mom stopped working to become a SAHM for me.  When I left for college, her mental state deteriorated very, very quickly.  She never got any real hobbies to fill the time.  She is a mess even 8 years later.
 
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