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(CBS News)   Obama tells the National Conference on Mental Health: "We all have known someone with mental health issues." Time restraints obviously prohibited him from mentioning the names of all 535 members of Congress   (cbsnews.com ) divider line
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2013-06-05 10:59:56 AM  
Yes but he could just use examples like Bachman and Gohmert,
 
2013-06-05 11:00:52 AM  
Does anybody even try to create short funny headlines anymore?
 
2013-06-05 11:03:41 AM  
But MY congressman isn't retarded!
 
2013-06-05 11:07:45 AM  

Trail of Dead: Does anybody even try to create short funny headlines anymore?


Much like the threads, headlines require vitations and a lit review.
 
2013-06-05 11:08:56 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Trail of Dead: Does anybody even try to create short funny headlines anymore?

Much like the threads, headlines require citations and a lit review.


...and an editor.
 
2013-06-05 11:16:22 AM  
About time this is getting pushed... Like I said from the get-go, gun control won't do shiat
 
2013-06-05 11:20:06 AM  
Pot
Kettle
 
2013-06-05 11:20:17 AM  

KellyX: About time this is getting pushed... Like I said from the get-go, gun control won't do shiat


Universal background checks will. Make the background checks cost $50 (split fee with dealer), add a 10% tax to all gun sales. Put that money into Mental Health and Gun Control enforcement.

done.

Assault wepons ban is stooopid.
 
2013-06-05 11:20:28 AM  
Time restraints? Like watchbands?
 
2013-06-05 11:25:09 AM  

TrollingForColumbine: KellyX: About time this is getting pushed... Like I said from the get-go, gun control won't do shiat

Universal background checks will. Make the background checks cost $50 (split fee with dealer), add a 10% tax to all gun sales. Put that money into Mental Health and Gun Control enforcement.

done.

Assault wepons ban is stooopid.


Yeah let's do that! Wait, we already do have a 10%+ tax on gun sales (FAET or Pittman Robertson). And background checks for gun transfers already cost money with your FFL and are built into retail gun prices.
 
2013-06-05 11:25:38 AM  

Trail of Dead: Does anybody even try to create short funny headlines anymore?


Yes but they're all retarded.  The headlines suck too
 
2013-06-05 11:27:38 AM  
I just popped a Xanax.

/getting a kick, etc.
//a mellow kick
 
2013-06-05 11:28:44 AM  

MichiganFTL: TrollingForColumbine: KellyX: About time this is getting pushed... Like I said from the get-go, gun control won't do shiat

Universal background checks will. Make the background checks cost $50 (split fee with dealer), add a 10% tax to all gun sales. Put that money into Mental Health and Gun Control enforcement.

done.

Assault wepons ban is stooopid.

Yeah let's do that! Wait, we already do have a 10%+ tax on gun sales (FAET or Pittman Robertson). And background checks for gun transfers already cost money with your FFL and are built into retail gun prices.


Also, 10% sales tax on gun sales in 2011 was ~$344,000,000. Given the state of waste in our government, I think you're going to need a LOT more. It would be a start, but not a 'done.'
 
2013-06-05 11:35:59 AM  

MichiganFTL: TrollingForColumbine: KellyX: About time this is getting pushed... Like I said from the get-go, gun control won't do shiat

Universal background checks will. Make the background checks cost $50 (split fee with dealer), add a 10% tax to all gun sales. Put that money into Mental Health and Gun Control enforcement.

done.

Assault wepons ban is stooopid.

Yeah let's do that! Wait, we already do have a 10%+ tax on gun sales (FAET or Pittman Robertson). And background checks for gun transfers already cost money with your FFL and are built into retail gun prices.


so let's do it for all gun transfers. private and retail. and lets put the money into mental health and enforcement.
 
2013-06-05 11:40:33 AM  
Maybe Obama can get Wayne LaPierre to back him up.

//lol, jk, they don't give a shiat about mental health
 
2013-06-05 11:42:34 AM  
Subby, you jest, but yet modern conservatism is a legitimate mental disease easily identifiable as a mix of Malignant Narcissism, Omniscient Defiant Disorder and Paranoid Schizophrenia.
 
2013-06-05 11:46:53 AM  

TrollingForColumbine: MichiganFTL: TrollingForColumbine: KellyX: About time this is getting pushed... Like I said from the get-go, gun control won't do shiat

Universal background checks will. Make the background checks cost $50 (split fee with dealer), add a 10% tax to all gun sales. Put that money into Mental Health and Gun Control enforcement.

done.

Assault wepons ban is stooopid.

Yeah let's do that! Wait, we already do have a 10%+ tax on gun sales (FAET or Pittman Robertson). And background checks for gun transfers already cost money with your FFL and are built into retail gun prices.

so let's do it for all gun transfers. private and retail. and lets put the money into mental health and enforcement.


That $334,000,000 number I gave earlier included ammo sales, so let's just say we do it your way and believe we can make sure we can tax an item that's between two private sellers. That $334,000,000 at my guess would be about halved since I'd assume ammo sales are probably on par with gun sales (I don't have a citation, just thought). So you're looking at a ~$162,000,000 revenue without considering the overhead you'd create for auditing this within the ATTTB and the extra paperwork there would have to beyond a sale receipt. Do you pay the tax there to the FFL? Do you put it on your income taxes instead? Then there's the massive political backlash from taxing guns an additional 10% and trying to expand them to private sales as well for probably what amounts to a $80-$100million dollar net.

Doesn't seem worth it actually now.
 
2013-06-05 11:48:21 AM  
As far as I can determine, there will always be a stigma against mental illness as long as it is fighting words to tell someone that he is not thinking clearly. And yet, such a statement should be fighting words: I don't think that statement will cause much controversy, even across political lines. But the stigma follows directly and logically from that meme.

This is not an attempt to justify the stigma: it's an observation of the logistics of getting rid of the stigma. Although many different groups of people -for example, modern conservatives and liberals- have different ideas about what it means to think clearly, they all treasure clarity of thought according to their definitions. Yes, (insert your username), even (insert your opposition).

And perhaps that should not be a surprise. Right now, we define personhood in terms of our mental processes: it's what separates us from the animals. Even in our science fiction and fantasy, we speak of "sentient life" (the more pedantic among us use "sapient life") to express what we should be treating as people versus what we should not. In a culture like this, questioning a person's clarity of thought is tantamount to questioning that person's humanity: extremely condescending even at best, and at worst it can be outright monstrous. When emotions run high over things people think, what's the go-to name-calling tactic? You go after the person's thought processes. And so our political and religious threads light up on almost an hourly basis, whenever somebody pulls the mental illness card, and God forbid anyone use the word 'derp'. It's the surest way to invite flamewars.

How can we possibly get rid of a stigma against mental illness in an environment like that? The easy way out would be to simply reduce our emphasis on clarity of thought, but I don't think most people would find that option palatable. I don't find it palatable either. But that means we need another answer, and I've got to be honest: I don't have one. Does anybody?
 
2013-06-05 11:50:41 AM  

TrollingForColumbine: KellyX: About time this is getting pushed... Like I said from the get-go, gun control won't do shiat

Universal background checks will. Make the background checks cost $50 (split fee with dealer), add a 10% tax to all gun sales. Put that money into Mental Health and Gun Control enforcement.

done.

Assault wepons ban is stooopid.


They'll also never pass the NRA's "we only support what we want, when we want, how we want" test. Unless a Republican proposes it, which will happen shorty after the GOP nominates its 10th consecutive Hmong-descended lesbian double-amputee veteran for the presidency.

Let's revisit the idea of UBC.
You just want a national registry, you fascist!
Well, no. We want to make sure that people buying guns are legally allowed to own them.
UBC is expensive!
So is a handgun.
UBC will never work without good data!
So let's get some good data - start with mental health data.
OMG profiling anyone with depression! Not all seekers of mental health services are crazypants school shooters, you fascist!
*sigh*...I guess there's no need to revisit UBC.

 ~-fin-~
 
2013-06-05 11:52:02 AM  

Millennium: As far as I can determine, there will always be a stigma against mental illness as long as it is fighting words to tell someone that he is not thinking clearly. And yet, such a statement should be fighting words: I don't think that statement will cause much controversy, even across political lines. But the stigma follows directly and logically from that meme.

This is not an attempt to justify the stigma: it's an observation of the logistics of getting rid of the stigma. Although many different groups of people -for example, modern conservatives and liberals- have different ideas about what it means to think clearly, they all treasure clarity of thought according to their definitions. Yes, (insert your username), even (insert your opposition).

And perhaps that should not be a surprise. Right now, we define personhood in terms of our mental processes: it's what separates us from the animals. Even in our science fiction and fantasy, we speak of "sentient life" (the more pedantic among us use "sapient life") to express what we should be treating as people versus what we should not. In a culture like this, questioning a person's clarity of thought is tantamount to questioning that person's humanity: extremely condescending even at best, and at worst it can be outright monstrous. When emotions run high over things people think, what's the go-to name-calling tactic? You go after the person's thought processes. And so our political and religious threads light up on almost an hourly basis, whenever somebody pulls the mental illness card, and God forbid anyone use the word 'derp'. It's the surest way to invite flamewars.

How can we possibly get rid of a stigma against mental illness in an environment like that? The easy way out would be to simply reduce our emphasis on clarity of thought, but I don't think most people would find that option palatable. I don't find it palatable either. But that means we need another answer, and I've got to be honest: I don't have one. Does ...


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2013-06-05 11:52:49 AM  

MichiganFTL: TrollingForColumbine: MichiganFTL: TrollingForColumbine: KellyX: About time this is getting pushed... Like I said from the get-go, gun control won't do shiat

Universal background checks will. Make the background checks cost $50 (split fee with dealer), add a 10% tax to all gun sales. Put that money into Mental Health and Gun Control enforcement.

done.

Assault wepons ban is stooopid.

Yeah let's do that! Wait, we already do have a 10%+ tax on gun sales (FAET or Pittman Robertson). And background checks for gun transfers already cost money with your FFL and are built into retail gun prices.

so let's do it for all gun transfers. private and retail. and lets put the money into mental health and enforcement.

That $334,000,000 number I gave earlier included ammo sales, so let's just say we do it your way and believe we can make sure we can tax an item that's between two private sellers. That $334,000,000 at my guess would be about halved since I'd assume ammo sales are probably on par with gun sales (I don't have a citation, just thought). So you're looking at a ~$162,000,000 revenue without considering the overhead you'd create for auditing this within the ATTTB and the extra paperwork there would have to beyond a sale receipt. Do you pay the tax there to the FFL? Do you put it on your income taxes instead? Then there's the massive political backlash from taxing guns an additional 10% and trying to expand them to private sales as well for probably what amounts to a $80-$100million dollar net.

Doesn't seem worth it actually now.


wow you sure are determined to make up ways to not improve things. You a very concerned person. I can tell having met concerned people before.
 
2013-06-05 12:28:23 PM  
He not only knew somebody with a mental health issue, he followed him for 20 years.
 
2013-06-05 12:33:39 PM  

sdd2000: Yes but he could just use examples like Bachman and Gohmert,


They are symbols of sanity compared to Barry Insane Obama.
 
2013-06-05 12:38:27 PM  

randomjsa: He not only knew somebody with a mental health issue, he followed him for 20 years.


armoredbulldozer: sdd2000: Yes but he could just use examples like Bachman and Gohmert,

They are symbols of sanity compared to Barry Insane Obama.


He's black, we get it.
 
2013-06-05 12:40:50 PM  

armoredbulldozer: sdd2000: Yes but he could just use examples like Bachman and Gohmert,

They are symbols of sanity compared to Barry Insane Obama.


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2013-06-05 09:12:27 PM  

KellyX: About time this is getting pushed... Like I said from the get-go, gun control won't do shiat


It WILL be a fun witch hunt.

I wonder how much it will cost.
 
2013-06-05 10:14:04 PM  
For armoredbuldozer and randomjsa: Please have your mothers get you tested.


s22.postimg.org
 
2013-06-05 11:14:23 PM  
So believing in sky wizards is sane, right?
 
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