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2013-06-04 08:23:36 PM
Hey Braun, think you'll wiggle out of this one too?
 
2013-06-04 08:30:11 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Hey Braun, think you'll wiggle out of this one too?


I'm sure he'll try. He seemed pretty dead set on that "I was only using him as a consultant" defense.
 
2013-06-04 08:32:47 PM
So if this happens, does this give the Yankees what they need to void ARod's contract, and if so, can the try to recoup already paid salary?
 
2013-06-04 08:37:36 PM

Popcorn Johnny: So if this happens, does this give the Yankees what they need to void ARod's contract, and if so, can the try to recoup already paid salary?


No. MLBPA would go nuclear.
 
2013-06-04 08:38:34 PM
fark arod
 
2013-06-04 08:39:04 PM
Ryan Braun now says he only tested positive before because he had oral sex with Catherine Zeta-Jones.
 
2013-06-04 08:41:35 PM

The Bestest: Popcorn Johnny: So if this happens, does this give the Yankees what they need to void ARod's contract, and if so, can the try to recoup already paid salary?

No. MLBPA would go nuclear.


And do what, exactly?  Refuse to play?  Put every member out of a job?
 
2013-06-04 08:41:48 PM
Good Braun needs to go down.
 
2013-06-04 08:42:01 PM
LOL A-Rod's Twitter account is gone.
 
2013-06-04 08:42:44 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: The Bestest: Popcorn Johnny: So if this happens, does this give the Yankees what they need to void ARod's contract, and if so, can the try to recoup already paid salary?

No. MLBPA would go nuclear.

And do what, exactly?  Refuse to play?  Put every member out of a job?


It's okay to say you have no idea how strong that particular union is.
 
2013-06-04 08:44:10 PM
Oh shiat, Peralta is one of the players, bad news for my Tigers. Oh well, the cheating asshole needs to go.
 
2013-06-04 08:44:41 PM
This is a shiathole of a season for the Brewers anyway. He should just suck it up and serve his 100 days now.
 
2013-06-04 08:44:47 PM
Where are the chants of "MVP! MVP!" now?

Go fark yourselves, Brewers fans.
 
2013-06-04 08:45:28 PM
It's cool how one guy with a notebook full of code names is enough to completely bypass a collectively bargained drug testing system.
 
2013-06-04 08:46:09 PM

Hillbilly Jim: Benevolent Misanthrope: The Bestest: Popcorn Johnny: So if this happens, does this give the Yankees what they need to void ARod's contract, and if so, can the try to recoup already paid salary?

No. MLBPA would go nuclear.

And do what, exactly?  Refuse to play?  Put every member out of a job?

It's okay to say you have no idea how strong that particular union is.


I honestly don't.  But as both a baseball fan and a former Teamster steward, it seems to me that a general strike would be as harmful to the players as it would be to the owners, and perhaps more so.  Yes municipalities would pressure the owners over lost revenue.  But if it's a strike and not a lockout, then the owners will have a leg up in popular opinion.

I can be wrong, of course.  I'd be interested to know what the "nuclear option" would be for the MLBPA, though.
 
2013-06-04 08:46:17 PM
That does it, A-Rod.

theinterrobang.com

You are NEVER getting a spot on this dude's back!
 
2013-06-04 08:46:21 PM
Does this make Matt Kemp the retroactive MVP the year Braun won it?
 
2013-06-04 08:46:33 PM

Peaceboy: Ryan Braun now says he only tested positive before because he had oral sex with Catherine Zeta-Jones.


Lol, can't quote again on mobile, but pairs nicely with 'Ryan Braun needs to go down'.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but MLB was paying for information? I'm not sure how comfortable I am with that.

And put me down for 'fark Arod'
 
2013-06-04 08:47:40 PM

Hillbilly Jim: Benevolent Misanthrope: The Bestest: Popcorn Johnny: So if this happens, does this give the Yankees what they need to void ARod's contract, and if so, can the try to recoup already paid salary?

No. MLBPA would go nuclear.

And do what, exactly?  Refuse to play?  Put every member out of a job?

It's okay to say you have no idea how strong that particular union is.


I wonder if the union would really want to fight that battle given how public opinion would be staunchly against them.

Who am I kidding?  Of course they will.
 
2013-06-04 08:48:15 PM
They're going to try....

Meanwhile, the MLBPA will go absolute f*cking insane and try to shut down the sport before letting it happen
 
2013-06-04 08:49:03 PM

wxboy: I wonder if the union would really want to fight that battle given how public opinion would be staunchly against them.


I would hope that at least some of the public will realize how this is a complete BS move by the MLB, and thus support the union.

But judging by this thread, probably not.
 
2013-06-04 08:49:07 PM

bulldg4life: They're going to try....

Meanwhile, the MLBPA will go absolute f*cking insane and try to shut down the sport before letting it happen


Yeah, this is going to get ugly.
 
2013-06-04 08:49:31 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Hillbilly Jim: Benevolent Misanthrope: The Bestest: Popcorn Johnny: So if this happens, does this give the Yankees what they need to void ARod's contract, and if so, can the try to recoup already paid salary?

No. MLBPA would go nuclear.

And do what, exactly?  Refuse to play?  Put every member out of a job?

It's okay to say you have no idea how strong that particular union is.

I honestly don't.  But as both a baseball fan and a former Teamster steward, it seems to me that a general strike would be as harmful to the players as it would be to the owners, and perhaps more so.  Yes municipalities would pressure the owners over lost revenue.  But if it's a strike and not a lockout, then the owners will have a leg up in popular opinion.

I can be wrong, of course.  I'd be interested to know what the "nuclear option" would be for the MLBPA, though.


The only reason there is testing right now in MLB is because it waa agreed to in the CBA. You start messing with contracts and trying to recoup back pay and all that good will lets clean up our sport goes away in a heartbeat.
 
2013-06-04 08:49:42 PM

robsul82: That does it, A-Rod.

[theinterrobang.com image 641x700]

You are NEVER getting a spot on this dude's back!


Even funnier than having a Billy Martin tattoo on your back is having a small KC Royals tattoo on your arm.
 
2013-06-04 08:49:56 PM

DeWayne Mann: It's cool how one guy with a notebook full of code names is enough to completely bypass a collectively bargained drug testing system.


I believe that you are required to scream steroids!!! and get upset at their mention. Because of the kids.

It would be crazy to let players make decisions about their long term health vs. career prospects, we need to make all of those decisions for them.
 
2013-06-04 08:50:48 PM

Hillbilly Jim: Good Braun needs to go down.


Why?
 
2013-06-04 08:52:20 PM

mrmyxolodian: Why?


Are you seriously going to say that he wasn't guilty last time?
 
2013-06-04 08:52:30 PM

mrmyxolodian: Hillbilly Jim: Good Braun needs to go down.

Why?


Because of the way he weasled out of it the last time and got to keep his MVP award It was disgraceful.
 
2013-06-04 08:52:48 PM
So, they're basing their evidence on the testimony of one person?
Where are the drug tests? Where is the evidence?
MLB can try, but I'm not going to get too excited just yet.
 
2013-06-04 08:52:54 PM

You're the jerk... jerk: DeWayne Mann: It's cool how one guy with a notebook full of code names is enough to completely bypass a collectively bargained drug testing system.

I believe that you are required to scream steroids!!! and get upset at their mention. Because of the kids.

It would be crazy to let players make decisions about their long term health vs. career prospects, we need to make all of those decisions for them.


Look, I'm well on record as being in the "I don't think Steroids are a big deal" camp. BUT EVEN IF I WASN'T, this is insane.

This isn't even really a steroid issue. This is a "Selig thinks these players lied to him and wants revenge issue." The fact that they lied about steroids is just an easier excuse to punish them.
 
2013-06-04 08:53:27 PM

Popcorn Johnny: mrmyxolodian: Why?

Are you seriously going to say that he wasn't guilty last time?


By guilty, do you mean found not guilty?
 
2013-06-04 08:54:17 PM

mrmyxolodian: Popcorn Johnny: mrmyxolodian: Why?

Are you seriously going to say that he wasn't guilty last time?

By guilty, do you mean found not guilty?


Not guilty is also not innocent
 
2013-06-04 08:54:36 PM

Hillbilly Jim: mrmyxolodian: Hillbilly Jim: Good Braun needs to go down.

Why?

Because of the way he weasled out of it the last time and got to keep his MVP award It was disgraceful.


"Weaseled out" is not the same as not being convicted.
 
2013-06-04 08:55:49 PM

DeWayne Mann: This isn't even really a steroid issue. This is a "Selig thinks these players lied to him and wants revenge issue." The fact that they lied about steroids is just an easier excuse to punish them.


I like the fact that the apparent justification for the 100 day suspension (a "second strike" offense) they want to peg on A-Rod and Braun is that "lying about Bosch" counts as the first strike.
 
2013-06-04 08:56:02 PM

bhcompy: mrmyxolodian: Popcorn Johnny: mrmyxolodian: Why?

Are you seriously going to say that he wasn't guilty last time?

By guilty, do you mean found not guilty?

Not guilty is also not innocent


No one said it was.
No one declared him "innocent"
 
2013-06-04 08:57:16 PM

mrmyxolodian: Hillbilly Jim: mrmyxolodian: Hillbilly Jim: Good Braun needs to go down.

Why?

Because of the way he weasled out of it the last time and got to keep his MVP award It was disgraceful.

"Weaseled out" is not the same as not being convicted.


He basically accused the sample collector of sabotaging his sample.  MLB could not prove the collector didn't do it, so Braun got off.  That is pretty farking weaselly.
 
2013-06-04 08:57:56 PM
www.bellarmine.edu
 
2013-06-04 08:57:57 PM

The Bestest: DeWayne Mann: This isn't even really a steroid issue. This is a "Selig thinks these players lied to him and wants revenge issue." The fact that they lied about steroids is just an easier excuse to punish them.

I like the fact that the apparent justification for the 100 day suspension (a "second strike" offense) they want to peg on A-Rod and Braun is that "lying about Bosch" counts as the first strike.


If they apply the same logic to Melky, Colon & Grandal, that would likely be 3 suspensions for one offense. And 3 suspensions is lifetime.
 
2013-06-04 08:58:15 PM

DeWayne Mann: You're the jerk... jerk: DeWayne Mann: It's cool how one guy with a notebook full of code names is enough to completely bypass a collectively bargained drug testing system.

I believe that you are required to scream steroids!!! and get upset at their mention. Because of the kids.

It would be crazy to let players make decisions about their long term health vs. career prospects, we need to make all of those decisions for them.

Look, I'm well on record as being in the "I don't think Steroids are a big deal" camp. BUT EVEN IF I WASN'T, this is insane.

This isn't even really a steroid issue. This is a "Selig thinks these players lied to him and wants revenge issue." The fact that they lied about steroids is just an easier excuse to punish them.


Selig is close to retiring. He's fighting for his legacy.
 
2013-06-04 08:59:49 PM

mrmyxolodian: By guilty, do you mean found not guilty?


He won on a technicality in arbitration. The urine test had not been tampered with and expert testimony verified that testosterone levels do not magically change in a urine sample left sitting around. He won because the collection process stated that the samples should be sent to the testing facility on the same day they are collected.
 
2013-06-04 09:00:01 PM

Peaceboy: Ryan Braun now says he only tested positive before because he had oral sex with Catherine Zeta-Jones.


Okay....I laughed at that.
 
2013-06-04 09:01:17 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: mrmyxolodian: Hillbilly Jim: mrmyxolodian: Hillbilly Jim: Good Braun needs to go down.

Why?

Because of the way he weasled out of it the last time and got to keep his MVP award It was disgraceful.

"Weaseled out" is not the same as not being convicted.

He basically accused the sample collector of sabotaging his sample.  MLB could not prove the collector didn't do it, so Braun got off.  That is pretty farking weaselly.


I don't really feel like getting into the Braun thing for the 800th time, but I have to ask:

Let's say you get accused of murder. The primary piece of evidence is your DNA found on the murder weapon. You have a flimsy alibi and it was well known that you hated the victim. Your lawyer discovers that the weapon was mishandled on the way to the testing lab.

Are you going to tell your lawyer not to bring that up in trial?
 
2013-06-04 09:02:53 PM

bulldg4life: DeWayne Mann: You're the jerk... jerk: DeWayne Mann: It's cool how one guy with a notebook full of code names is enough to completely bypass a collectively bargained drug testing system.

I believe that you are required to scream steroids!!! and get upset at their mention. Because of the kids.

It would be crazy to let players make decisions about their long term health vs. career prospects, we need to make all of those decisions for them.

Look, I'm well on record as being in the "I don't think Steroids are a big deal" camp. BUT EVEN IF I WASN'T, this is insane.

This isn't even really a steroid issue. This is a "Selig thinks these players lied to him and wants revenge issue." The fact that they lied about steroids is just an easier excuse to punish them.

Selig is close to retiring. He's fighting for his legacy.


His legacy is secure. This is pretty much the only black mark besides the strike seasons.

I think he's a weaselly little shiat, but the game has never been in better shape.
 
2013-06-04 09:03:40 PM

Popcorn Johnny: mrmyxolodian: By guilty, do you mean found not guilty?

He won on a technicality in arbitration. The urine test had not been tampered with and expert testimony verified that testosterone levels do not magically change in a urine sample left sitting around. He won because the collection process stated that the samples should be sent to the testing facility on the same day they are collected.


And?
 
2013-06-04 09:04:18 PM

DeWayne Mann: AdolfOliverPanties: mrmyxolodian: Hillbilly Jim: mrmyxolodian: Hillbilly Jim: Good Braun needs to go down.

Why?

Because of the way he weasled out of it the last time and got to keep his MVP award It was disgraceful.

"Weaseled out" is not the same as not being convicted.

He basically accused the sample collector of sabotaging his sample.  MLB could not prove the collector didn't do it, so Braun got off.  That is pretty farking weaselly.

I don't really feel like getting into the Braun thing for the 800th time, but I have to ask:

Let's say you get accused of murder. The primary piece of evidence is your DNA found on the murder weapon. You have a flimsy alibi and it was well known that you hated the victim. Your lawyer discovers that the weapon was mishandled on the way to the testing lab.

Are you going to tell your lawyer not to bring that up in trial?


This.
 
2013-06-04 09:04:49 PM
MLBPA's official response:

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2013-06-04 09:04:50 PM

mrmyxolodian: And?


He was clearly guilty of violating the MLB policy on performance enhancing drugs.
 
2013-06-04 09:05:03 PM

DeWayne Mann: You're the jerk... jerk: DeWayne Mann: It's cool how one guy with a notebook full of code names is enough to completely bypass a collectively bargained drug testing system.

I believe that you are required to scream steroids!!! and get upset at their mention. Because of the kids.

It would be crazy to let players make decisions about their long term health vs. career prospects, we need to make all of those decisions for them.

Look, I'm well on record as being in the "I don't think Steroids are a big deal" camp. BUT EVEN IF I WASN'T, this is insane.

This isn't even really a steroid issue. This is a "Selig thinks these players lied to him and wants revenge issue." The fact that they lied about steroids is just an easier excuse to punish them.


I agree with you, as usual, but I just want to make a comment about how dumb I think the steroid issue is.
 
2013-06-04 09:05:04 PM
Brewer fans can finally shut up about him being a clean player when he just got off on a technicality.
 
2013-06-04 09:05:39 PM

Popcorn Johnny: mrmyxolodian: And?

He was clearly guilty of violating the MLB policy on performance enhancing drugs.


You keep using that word. I'm not sure you know what it means.
 
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