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2013-06-04 05:07:10 PM  
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2013-06-04 05:39:38 PM  
Truly, I am in awe of their dizzying intellect.

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2013-06-04 05:47:39 PM  
 I've had callers to the radio show who grew up in the Soviet Bloc countries, I've had them call weeping to see what's happening to our loss of freedoms."

Can someone please tell me what "freedoms" we lose by acknowledging the existence of gays and not treating the LGBT community like second class citizens?

I honestly don't understand what these people are afraid of.  Please, someone, explain it to me.
 
2013-06-04 05:53:04 PM  
Twaddle...
 
2013-06-04 05:53:13 PM  

FloydA: I've had callers to the radio show who grew up in the Soviet Bloc countries, I've had them call weeping to see what's happening to our loss of freedoms."

Can someone please tell me what "freedoms" we lose by acknowledging the existence of gays and not treating the LGBT community like second class citizens?

I honestly don't understand what these people are afraid of.  Please, someone, explain it to me.


They're bigoted failures who think that the government failing to legislate their hatreds means they're oppressed. They have enough self awareness to understand that bigotry and hatred are wrong, but not enough to understand that that's what they are, so they come up with nonsense like "Loss of freedom"
 
2013-06-04 06:06:54 PM  

Aarontology: FloydA: I've had callers to the radio show who grew up in the Soviet Bloc countries, I've had them call weeping to see what's happening to our loss of freedoms."

Can someone please tell me what "freedoms" we lose by acknowledging the existence of gays and not treating the LGBT community like second class citizens?

I honestly don't understand what these people are afraid of.  Please, someone, explain it to me.

They're bigoted failures who think that the government failing to legislate their hatreds means they're oppressed. They have enough self awareness to understand that bigotry and hatred are wrong, but not enough to understand that that's what they are, so they come up with nonsense like "Loss of freedom"


They are an earlier less evolved form of the human brain. They are gradually going extinct though.
 
2013-06-04 06:21:33 PM  

FloydA: I've had callers to the radio show who grew up in the Soviet Bloc countries, I've had them call weeping to see what's happening to our loss of freedoms."

Can someone please tell me what "freedoms" we lose by acknowledging the existence of gays and not treating the LGBT community like second class citizens?

I honestly don't understand what these people are afraid of.  Please, someone, explain it to me.


The freedom of open bigotry.
 
2013-06-04 06:24:26 PM  

propasaurus: FloydA: I've had callers to the radio show who grew up in the Soviet Bloc countries, I've had them call weeping to see what's happening to our loss of freedoms."

Can someone please tell me what "freedoms" we lose by acknowledging the existence of gays and not treating the LGBT community like second class citizens?

I honestly don't understand what these people are afraid of.  Please, someone, explain it to me.

The freedom of open bigotry.


It seems obvious to us, but it also seems obvious to them. You better find a less threatening way to change their minds or they'll just recluse into a place where they keep up the idea that LGBT movement is somehow bad for their children.

You know...a place...like Alabama or Mississippi.
 
2013-06-04 06:28:38 PM  

FloydA: I honestly don't understand what these people are afraid of. Please, someone, explain it to me.


Part of it is that in America, there is an attractive ideal that if you work hard enough and your intentions are good, you'll become part of the super-rich.  The problem is that there is a luck factor involved (circumstances of your birth do outline how far you can get), and external factors that keep you from becoming a multi-billionaire.  Not that anyone should use that as an excuse not to try, it's just there aren't that many gold-plated yachts to go around, and you probably shouldn't measure your success based on your bank account or the things you own anyway.

So, when you fail to become part of the super-rich, or fall on hard times, if you are of the America can do no wrong mindset, it is much easier to blame an external factor that really has no power in the system, rather than the system itself.  Yes, your lack of education and skills that people want to buy have nothing to do with the state representatives you keep voting in that keep taxes low and schools unfunded.  Yes, the fact your town is now riddled with crime is not connected to this lack of education and schools, and is in fact a reason to build more prisons.  No, the government didn't help any previous generations succeed, and they are a small and insignificant factor in the successes of others.

It's really the fault of the gays, and those Occupy people were just selfish complainers.
 
2013-06-04 06:29:55 PM  

How can you not see the threat??  Can it be any more clear??

www.theratandmouse.co.uk 1.bp.blogspot.com

WAKE UP LIB-U-LARDOS!!1!

 
2013-06-04 06:31:44 PM  
Communism is an absolute failure of a system, the most murderous attempt at forcing mankind under totalitarianism, and you have to be a complete idiot to buy into it today, or to claim that it was not a major threat to the West and the freedom of all mankind.

That being said, we're in 2013 so it's not exactly a huge threat to the West anymore.
 
2013-06-04 06:32:36 PM  
Also, people who genuinely want to foment a revolution and turn the United States into a communist state should be treated exactly the way nazis are treated when they say they want to turn America into a fourth reich.
 
2013-06-04 06:36:37 PM  

Tatsuma: Also, people who genuinely want to foment a revolution and turn the United States into a communist state should be treated exactly the way nazis are treated when they say they want to turn America into a fourth reich.


They are.  All three of them.
 
2013-06-04 06:45:23 PM  

propasaurus: The freedom of open bigotry.


That's not true at all, though.  Even if gay marriage were legalized in all 50 states tomorrow, they'd STILL be free to openly hate gay people.  It's still protected free speech, horrible as it is.  So they're not even losing THAT pathetic "freedom."
 
2013-06-04 06:48:11 PM  
So now Obama is against gays with his ramming of Obamacare down our throats?

/didn't RTFA
 
2013-06-04 06:49:38 PM  
I remember when in the US you were free to own a slave. Now you can't look at the loss of Freedoms!!
 
2013-06-04 06:50:15 PM  
Hmm.  Tatsbot seems broken.  Anyhoo.

Over on the right-wang gun boards, the whole "Transgendered Navy SEAL" thing seems to have broken a lot of them.  There's a WHOLE LOT of "Whaaargarble, I don't force my heterosexuality on anyone, why is this gay SEAL who clearly has PTSD forcing this on me" and slightly less "Only a sick person would mutilate themselves, PTSD, chromosomes mean he's a man and this is a lie".

Surprisingly, the other 40% or so are celebrating this as a positive thing.
 
2013-06-04 06:51:38 PM  

19 Kilo: Hmm. Tatsbot seems broken. Anyhoo.


How am I broken? By believing that Communism is a failed system that murdered more than 100M worldwide?
 
2013-06-04 06:52:18 PM  

Tatsuma: Also, people who genuinely want to foment a revolution and turn the United States into a communist state should be treated exactly the way nazis are treated when they say they want to turn America into a fourth reich.


That's true. The imaginary people in your head should all be shipped off to Gitmo.
 
2013-06-04 06:53:44 PM  

BMulligan: Tatsuma: Also, people who genuinely want to foment a revolution and turn the United States into a communist state should be treated exactly the way nazis are treated when they say they want to turn America into a fourth reich.

That's true. The imaginary people in your head should all be shipped off to Gitmo.


I have communist comrades. They do things like feed homeless people and work on strike support for disadvantaged workers, the murderous farks.
 
2013-06-04 06:54:35 PM  

Tatsuma: 19 Kilo: Hmm. Tatsbot seems broken. Anyhoo.

How am I broken? By believing that Communism is a failed system that murdered more than 100M worldwide?


How many would you say capitalism has murdered?
 
2013-06-04 06:56:49 PM  
I'd rather be a homosexual under Joseph Stalin than a homosexual under Adolf Hitler. The Nazis castrated homosexuals, sent them to concentration camps and shot or gassed them.
 
2013-06-04 06:56:54 PM  
 I've had callers to the radio show who grew up in the Soviet Bloc countries, I've had them call weeping to see what's happening to our loss of freedoms.

Oh how much I wish someone would have said to him him on camera: "You said callers.  Plural.  Give us two -just two- instances where this happened on your show."
 
2013-06-04 06:57:20 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Tatsuma: 19 Kilo: Hmm. Tatsbot seems broken. Anyhoo.

How am I broken? By believing that Communism is a failed system that murdered more than 100M worldwide?

How many would you say capitalism has murdered?


but Capitalism does it in the heat of passion so it's not really murder.
 
2013-06-04 06:57:28 PM  

19 Kilo: Hmm.  Tatsbot seems broken.  Anyhoo.

Over on the right-wang gun boards, the whole "Transgendered Navy SEAL" thing seems to have broken a lot of them.  There's a WHOLE LOT of "Whaaargarble, I don't force my heterosexuality on anyone, why is this gay SEAL who clearly has PTSD forcing this on me" and slightly less "Only a sick person would mutilate themselves, PTSD, chromosomes mean he's a man and this is a lie".

Surprisingly, the other 40% or so are celebrating this as a positive thing.


Broken?

I thought stupid shiat was his purpose.
 
2013-06-04 06:57:40 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: I have communist comrades. They do things like feed homeless people and work on strike support for disadvantaged workers, the murderous farks.


Yeah and once they take power they start lining up people and shooting them for anti-State activities. That's always what happens whenever this shiat system called communism is established anywhere.
 
2013-06-04 06:58:02 PM  
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2013-06-04 06:58:13 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: I'd rather be a homosexual under Joseph Stalin than a homosexual under Adolf Hitler. The Nazis castrated homosexuals, sent them to concentration camps and shot or gassed them.


And the Allies kept many Nazi-era proscriptions against homosexuals and even reimprisoned many of them! Isn't that fun?
 
2013-06-04 06:59:50 PM  

Tatsuma: A Dark Evil Omen: I have communist comrades. They do things like feed homeless people and work on strike support for disadvantaged workers, the murderous farks.

Yeah and once they take power they start lining up people and shooting them for anti-State activities. That's always what happens whenever this shiat system called communism is established anywhere.


I fear my communist comrades in the same way I fear being handed a free beer. It's confusing, but I'm grateful they're there.

Theocratic ultra-nationalist wingnuts, on the other hand...
 
2013-06-04 07:00:38 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Tatsuma: 19 Kilo: Hmm. Tatsbot seems broken. Anyhoo.

How am I broken? By believing that Communism is a failed system that murdered more than 100M worldwide?

How many would you say capitalism has murdered?


We can't apply the Black Book standards to capitalist regimes because reasons and also furthermore.
 
2013-06-04 07:02:07 PM  

Tatsuma: Communism is an absolute failure of a system, the most murderous attempt at forcing mankind under totalitarianism, and you have to be a complete idiot to buy into it today, or to claim that it was not a major threat to the West and the freedom of all mankind.

That being said, we're in 2013 so it's not exactly a huge threat to the West anymore.


Well true communism really has never been done on a large scale. Totalitarianism and communism are not linked like you think they are. You can theoretically have communism without totalitarianism.

However I think communism wouldn't ever work on a large scale just like I think libertarianism would never work on a large scale.

They are both ideas that come from idealism of a system and not on pragmatism of the reality how the world works.
 
2013-06-04 07:02:32 PM  
They're just standing up for the most important freedom of all: The freedom to be a bigoted asshole who limits other people's freedoms.
 
2013-06-04 07:02:33 PM  
Pinkos!
 
2013-06-04 07:02:47 PM  

Tatsuma: 19 Kilo: Hmm. Tatsbot seems broken. Anyhoo.

How am I broken? By believing that Communism is a failed system that murdered more than 100M worldwide?


How many has capitalism (ie Western interests) killed? Latina America, Asia, and Africa have bled for decades for corporate profits.
 
2013-06-04 07:02:47 PM  

Tatsuma: Also, people who genuinely want to foment a revolution and turn the United States into a communist state should be treated exactly the way nazis are treated when they say they want to turn America into a fourth reich.


What, you mean allow them to form clubs and build meeting halls and fortified world headquarters like the Silver Shirts?
 
2013-06-04 07:03:52 PM  
Guy Burgess and Don Maclean did ok.
 
2013-06-04 07:05:05 PM  

Tatsuma: 19 Kilo: Hmm. Tatsbot seems broken. Anyhoo.

How am I broken? By believing that Communism is a failed system that murdered more than 100M worldwide?


I think he's referring to the "Tatsbot" being triggered by and responding to the words in the headline rather than the substance of the article itself, which has nothing more to do with the spread or history of communism than the LGBT rights movement does.  That's kind of the point even.
 
2013-06-04 07:05:45 PM  

Tatsuma: Communism is an absolute failure of a system, the most murderous attempt at forcing mankind under totalitarianism, and you have to be a complete idiot to buy into it today, or to claim that it was not a major threat to the West and the freedom of all mankind.

That being said, we're in 2013 so it's not exactly a huge threat to the West anymore.


because clearly the goal of communism made my marx was a murderous dictatorship.  Then again, the goal of Republicans is small-government fiscally responsible.  It's like people are blind to actions or something.
 
2013-06-04 07:06:25 PM  
Is there any thread Tatsuma can't take over and totally destroy with his pathetic victim mentality?
 
2013-06-04 07:07:33 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: And the Allies kept many Nazi-era proscriptions against homosexuals and even reimprisoned many of them! Isn't that fun?


His point is bullshiat anyway. Homosexuals were very often fine under the Nazi regime and those laws were not really applied so much, while homosexuality under Stalin was an almost guaranteed 3 to 5 years of hard labor.

It's estimated that between 5,000 and 15,000 homosexuals were sent to concentration camps for that reason, most historians agree it's around 10,000 and at least half survived.

Under the communists, hundreds of thousands if not millions were sentenced to hard labors and far more died due to the harsh conditions.

When you make Hitler look like he has a passable record on LGBT right, you really have to be an asshole. Well done, Stalin!

i.imgur.com
Diary, 1948
- Be worse than Hitler on LGBT rights? Check.
- Be a worse artist than Hitler? Check

- Kill even more Jews than Hitler? Che-*falls dead*
 
2013-06-04 07:08:08 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Is there any thread Tatsuma can't take over and totally destroy with his pathetic victim mentality?


Well, to be fair, "right-wingers are farking ridiculous" was more or less already the theme of the thread. Tats is more an object lesson than a threadjacker here.
 
2013-06-04 07:08:35 PM  
Wow, this thread went off the rails fast, mainly thanks to one particular user.

This isn't about the merits of Communism, this is about how incredibly stupid it is to say tolerance of homosexuality is any way related to Communism.  Stalin had a 5 year prison term with hard labor penalty for being homosexual and most other Communist countries during the Cold War had similar laws.
 
2013-06-04 07:10:14 PM  

Corvus: Well true communism really has never been done on a large scale. Totalitarianism and communism are not linked like you think they are. You can theoretically have communism without totalitarianism.

However I think communism wouldn't ever work on a large scale just like I think libertarianism would never work on a large scale.


When something has been tried more than 30 times and has led to the death of more than 100M and you still have more than a billion who still live under totalitarian regimes today because of it, I'm gonna go ahead and say we shouldn't give it another shot.

The closest to an example of working socialism has been the Kibbutz, and well that ended up being a failure too.

tical: How many has capitalism (ie Western interests) killed? Latina America, Asia, and Africa have bled for decades for corporate profits.


Far less than 100M. Capitalism is not perfect, but certainly much better.
 
2013-06-04 07:11:37 PM  

12349876: Wow, this thread went off the rails fast, mainly thanks to one particular user.

This isn't about the merits of Communism, this is about how incredibly stupid it is to say tolerance of homosexuality is any way related to Communism.  Stalin had a 5 year prison term with hard labor penalty for being homosexual and most other Communist countries during the Cold War had similar laws.


Sure. Most Western nations had nasty laws against homosexuality too; as I noted, the Allies singled out homosexuals to keep many Nazi-era laws and maintain Nazi persecution of. It's not even negatively correlated, this is all just derp from chicken-farkers.
 
2013-06-04 07:13:10 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: And this is where you go over the line from "whiny idiot" to lying sack of shiat.


Are you claiming that in all the territories controlled by Germany, there were only between 5,000 to 15,000 homosexuals? Total from 1933 to the end of the war, they arrested and tried 50,000, the majority getting a year in prison at most under those charges.

Sorry that facts don't jive with your ideas.
 
2013-06-04 07:14:53 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: I'd rather be a homosexual under Joseph Stalin than a homosexual under Adolf Hitler. The Nazis castrated homosexuals, sent them to concentration camps and shot or gassed them.


It's not quite Nazi-level, but the Brits chemically castrated and jailed homosexuals. Including Alan Turing, whose work helped win the war.
 
2013-06-04 07:16:02 PM  

Tatsuma: Also, people who genuinely want to foment a revolution and turn the United States into a communist state should be treated exactly the way nazis are treated when they say they want to turn America into a fourth reich.


You do realize that the US Communist party runs candidates for election and thus is not communist, which requires an armed revolution, right? they are socialists, as far as I can tell, and that has worked in many countries for decades. Don't see starvation on the streets of Canada, for example.
 
2013-06-04 07:17:45 PM  

Bloody William: It's not quite Nazi-level, but the Brits chemically castrated and jailed homosexuals. Including Alan Turing, whose work helped win the war.


Yeah, lots of countries at the time were real dicks, but the USSR stood on top.

BolloxReader: You do realize that the US Communist party runs candidates for election and thus is not communist, which requires an armed revolution, right? they are socialists, as far as I can tell, and that has worked in many countries for decades. Don't see starvation on the streets of Canada, for example.


I said genuine communists, not confused socialists.
 
2013-06-04 07:18:53 PM  
or, you know. Cuba.

/wtf
 
2013-06-04 07:19:48 PM  

timujin: Tatsuma: 19 Kilo: Hmm. Tatsbot seems broken. Anyhoo.

How am I broken? By believing that Communism is a failed system that murdered more than 100M worldwide?

I think he's referring to the "Tatsbot" being triggered by and responding to the words in the headline rather than the substance of the article itself, which has nothing more to do with the spread or history of communism than the LGBT rights movement does.  That's kind of the point even.


Yup.  But he's misdirecting and burning down the thread already.  Let's see if we can get into his normal subroutines...

"Murdered Palestinian Children"

No?  How about Bevbot?

"Evolution is science and you can't deny it"
 
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