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2013-06-04 03:52:20 PM  
14 votes:

BunkoSquad: "What's your girlfriend's name?"


24.media.tumblr.com
2013-06-04 02:50:43 PM  
12 votes:
i47.tinypic.com 

libertarian baby
2013-06-04 01:40:03 PM  
10 votes:

Honest Bender: If your approach is so great, why hasn't any country anywhere in the world ever tried it?
Lack of opportunity would be my guess.  You can't just relocate somewhere and declare a new government.   And no government is going to willingly give up power.


Just shows how little faith libertarians have in their own ideas.
Did George Washington let the British unwillingness to give up power stop him from founding the USA?
Did George Bush let Saddam's unwillingness to give up power stop him from turning Iraq into a democracy?
Did the Germans let the Soviet's unwillingness stop them from bombing Pearl Harbor?
2013-06-04 01:01:43 PM  
10 votes:
"Whay are you such a selfish, greedy prick?"
2013-06-04 03:15:36 PM  
8 votes:
i53.tinypic.com 

libertarian hazmat suit
2013-06-04 01:06:46 PM  
8 votes:
Why are leather dusters so damn stylish?
2013-06-04 04:23:39 PM  
7 votes:
i40.tinypic.com 

failed libertarian attempt to make their vision of the future sound appealing
2013-06-04 02:51:33 PM  
7 votes:
i41.tinypic.com
2013-06-04 04:47:31 PM  
6 votes:

tallguywithglasseson: Pay Pal founder and early Facebook investor Peter Thiel has given $1.25 million to an initiative to create floating libertarian countries in international waters, according to a profile of the billionaire in Details magazine.

Thiel has been a big backer of the Seasteading Institute, which seeks to build sovereign nations on oil rig-like platforms to occupy waters beyond the reach of law-of-the-sea treaties. The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place. Details says the experiment would be "a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."

Good luck on Libertarian Island, dipshiats.


loose building codes in the middle of the ocean on floating platforms filled with libertarians?

25.media.tumblr.com
2013-06-04 03:21:54 PM  
6 votes:

gimmegimme: If someone wants a fire engine to come and put out a fire, then they can pay for the privilege themselves. When the government babies the citizenry, they have no motivation to make enough money to afford such services.


Farck that. The responsibility is the fire's, because the fire chose to invade that home. Charge the fire with arson and put it in prison.
2013-06-04 02:48:56 PM  
6 votes:
i47.tinypic.com 

libertarian surgeon general
2013-06-04 02:42:44 PM  
6 votes:
msnbcmedia.msn.com 

libertarian free-market competition
2013-06-04 02:39:53 PM  
6 votes:
i48.tinypic.com

libertarian taxidermy
2013-06-04 01:07:14 PM  
6 votes:
What rhymes with "orange"?
2013-06-04 02:55:24 PM  
5 votes:
"What's your girlfriend's name?"
2013-06-04 01:52:37 PM  
5 votes:
"how did this elephant get into my pajamas?"
2013-06-04 01:23:33 PM  
5 votes:
"What are you doing outside my window with those binoculars?"
2013-06-04 01:10:22 PM  
5 votes:
Why do we drive on parkways, but park on driveways?
2013-06-05 01:32:20 AM  
4 votes:
i40.tinypic.com
2013-06-04 07:28:39 PM  
4 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: I can see by reading through this thread that public education has done it's job and done it...well.


Public schooling didn't teach me how awesome libertarians are, but it did teach me the difference between possessives and contractions.
2013-06-04 05:00:14 PM  
4 votes:
abortionsforall.files.wordpress.com\

libertarian highway patrol.
2013-06-04 04:40:26 PM  
4 votes:

Hydra: Funny how as a linguist he fails even to define what "private tyrannies" are in the first place.


Ha ha, funny! Like the time when the bank teller said I had "two thousand" in my account, but didn't specify if he meant U.S. dollars or moons of Jupiter. Talk about amateur hour!
2013-06-04 03:28:25 PM  
4 votes:
Libertarian Parks Department:

www.tribbleagency.com
2013-06-04 03:17:36 PM  
4 votes:
i56.tinypic.com 

libertarian theory applied to reality
2013-06-04 03:05:23 PM  
4 votes:
Libertarian Medicare:

tommangan.net
2013-06-04 03:00:31 PM  
4 votes:
i40.tinypic.com 

libertarian public swimming pool
2013-06-04 02:56:52 PM  
4 votes:
i54.tinypic.com
2013-06-04 02:54:20 PM  
4 votes:
3.bp.blogspot.com

Libertarian fire department on the job.
2013-06-04 02:53:38 PM  
4 votes:
"Shouldn't you be dead from botulism-laden uninspected food by now?"
2013-06-04 02:46:16 PM  
4 votes:
"Can John Galt build, with his own bare hands, a rock so huge that He Himself cannot lift it and drop it on a crowd of unworthies?"
2013-06-04 01:51:12 PM  
4 votes:
WTF is wrong with you?
2013-06-04 01:39:21 PM  
4 votes:
"What's your Fark handle?"
2013-06-04 01:24:24 PM  
4 votes:
Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?
2013-06-04 06:03:29 PM  
3 votes:
3.bp.blogspot.com
Libertarian child-care
2013-06-04 04:28:49 PM  
3 votes:
WHY ARE THERE STILL MONKEYS?!
2013-06-04 04:20:43 PM  
3 votes:
Libertarian Public Library

4.bp.blogspot.com
2013-06-04 03:52:02 PM  
3 votes:
i39.tinypic.com
2013-06-04 03:48:26 PM  
3 votes:

gimmegimme: violentsalvation: Someone named gimmegimme misrepresenting libertarianism. I'll be damned. Couldn't make this shiat up.

Duder, your name is "violentsalvation."  How many strangers have you killed today?


7 or 8. Slow day here in libertarian land, it would've been more but the bridge exploded on my way to the annual tire fire and mercury eating contest. And well, needless to say, it took my slaves a couple hours to float my war wagon across the river of fecal matter and styrofoam.
2013-06-04 03:45:36 PM  
3 votes:
Libertarian Social Security:

america20xy.com
2013-06-04 03:37:38 PM  
3 votes:
i39.tinypic.com 

libertarian coast guard
2013-06-04 03:32:57 PM  
3 votes:
a.espncdn.com 

libertarian quarterback
2013-06-04 03:20:32 PM  
3 votes:
static.neatorama.com

Libertarian building code enforcement
2013-06-04 03:20:28 PM  
3 votes:
Libertarian highway system.

www.advamed2009.com
2013-06-04 03:09:19 PM  
3 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: Honest Bender: Karac: Just shows how little faith libertarians have in their own ideas.

You're absolutely right.  My faith in libertarianism is insufficient to motivate me to insight an armed revolution.  You caught me.

That's the problem with libertarians. The second you attempt to force your views own someone else, you've already broke your own ideals.

The fact is this, people do not act in everyone's best interest, business do not do the right thing because of long term. People will largely act in self interest.

Thus Libertarians are complete and absolute adolescence of politics.


If a business can make $100 in profit by polluting a river until it catches fire it will.
A libertarian believes that enough people will realize that that business is behind the disaster and avoid their products enough to reduce that profit to a loss.
A realist realizes that the business will hide the source of the pollution, blame it on somebody else, or just move to China because who can even spell the name of one of their rivers?
2013-06-04 03:00:14 PM  
3 votes:
Why do you call yourself a Libertarian when you are just a Republican with a penchant for massive bong hits?
2013-06-04 02:40:21 PM  
3 votes:

Honest Bender: There seem to be a lot of people who don't understand the difference between libertarians and anarchists.


Including most "Libertarians".
2013-06-04 02:33:48 PM  
3 votes:
Socialist shopping:

cdn-static.zdnet.com

Libertarian shopping:

theeconomiccollapseblog.com
futurespassed.com

assets.nydailynews.com
2013-06-04 01:42:36 PM  
3 votes:
"What is libertarianism? Certainly not what YOU think it is..........................................................heh. Sheeple."
2013-06-04 07:24:59 PM  
2 votes:
There IS a Libertarian country!! It's the same place that all true Scotsmen live!!!
2013-06-04 06:20:41 PM  
2 votes:
The question should involve more fish and/or coconuts.

/You can't spell austrian economics without autism
2013-06-04 04:53:19 PM  
2 votes:
Why aren't you this strawman?
2013-06-04 04:50:32 PM  
2 votes:

gameshowhost: [msnbcmedia.msn.com image 423x135] 

libertarian free-market competition


But I thought Taco Bell won the franchise wars?
2013-06-04 04:45:08 PM  
2 votes:
Pay Pal founder and early Facebook investor Peter Thiel has given $1.25 million to an initiative to create floating libertarian countries in international waters, according to a profile of the billionaire in Details magazine.

Thiel has been a big backer of the Seasteading Institute, which seeks to build sovereign nations on oil rig-like platforms to occupy waters beyond the reach of law-of-the-sea treaties. The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place. Details says the experiment would be "a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."


Good luck on Libertarian Island, dipshiats.
2013-06-04 04:42:05 PM  
2 votes:

timujin: Gecko Gingrich: What rhymes with "orange"?

Sporange


Door hinge.

www.diyaroundthehouse.com
2013-06-04 04:36:47 PM  
2 votes:

vygramul: Altair: vygramul: gameshowhost: [i40.tinypic.com image 479x229]
failed libertarian attempt to make their vision of the future sound appealing

If there's one thing that truly seems to defy Libertarian theory it's a love for the ultimate in fiat currency: Bitcoin.

as much as I hate to defend libertarians, I'm not really sure I'd call Bitcoin a fiat currency

Oh? What commodity backs it?


Smugness.
2013-06-04 04:24:24 PM  
2 votes:
www.ilo.org

Libertarian recreational programs for kids
2013-06-04 04:06:58 PM  
2 votes:

Kittypie070: THEN ALL SHALL BE PERFECTION.


I have a really great GIF somewhere of one adorable puppy knocking over another adorable puppy and the word "libertarianism" is flashing on the screen but I can't find it so use your imagination
2013-06-04 03:40:28 PM  
2 votes:
Why is submitter's mom such a whore?
2013-06-04 03:35:56 PM  
2 votes:
i39.tinypic.com 

libertarian athletic competition
2013-06-04 03:18:15 PM  
2 votes:

"WHAT'S THAT SMELL?"

2013-06-04 03:17:11 PM  
2 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com

Libertarian aviation regulation
2013-06-04 03:13:37 PM  
2 votes:
i53.tinypic.com 

libertarian corrective eye surgery
2013-06-04 03:07:39 PM  
2 votes:
i51.tinypic.com 

libertarian economics
2013-06-04 03:06:30 PM  
2 votes:
i56.tinypic.com 

libertarian severe-weather early-warning system
2013-06-04 02:44:28 PM  
2 votes:

Gecko Gingrich: What rhymes with "orange"?


Sporange
2013-06-04 01:46:53 PM  
2 votes:
May as well say "Hey libs, if Republicans are so hopelessly terrible why does the country keep giving them a chance?"
2013-06-05 06:20:20 PM  
1 vote:

Phinn: and freedom of contract (Lochner)
.


Too often interpreted by those who hide behind it as a license to screw over other people, which I am convinced is the "right" that "libertarians" value the most.  Lochner himself, after all, got caught working his bakery employees over sixty hours a week.
2013-06-05 07:14:41 AM  
1 vote:
I've never seen some get smacked down so hard and still think they won the argument as DIA. What a moron.
2013-06-05 05:51:43 AM  
1 vote:
sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
2013-06-05 04:06:48 AM  
1 vote:
Of course the libertarian ideal's been tried. It's called the State of Nature - I believe Hobbes had some nice things to say about it.
2013-06-05 03:41:56 AM  
1 vote:

I Ate Shergar: Bith Set Me Up: Why is a raven like a writing desk?

Poe wrote on both.


Because it can produce a few notes, tho they are very flat; and it is never put with the wrong end in front!
2013-06-05 03:27:01 AM  
1 vote:

Bith Set Me Up: Why is a raven like a writing desk?


Poe wrote on both.
2013-06-05 01:14:25 AM  
1 vote:

vygramul: TheHighlandHowler: I think many democracies (and republics) are libertarian in their infancies, but as they mature, government grows.  This is partly due to demands from the populace, and politicians' lust for power.

It could be that they find out that libertarianism doesn't work.

Or it could be that communism works great, but that politicians' lust for power and the demands from the populace spoil those systems, too.


It's because libertarianism combines the most extreme aspects of personal self-interest and greed ("f*ck you, I got mine) and unrealistic idealism and faith in others ("people will change if it's in their best interests to change"). The idea that people should be allowed to do whatever they want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else because their actions will be circumscribed by the reactions of other like-minded individuals is patently absurd. The error is obvious to anyone who realizes that people WILL act against their own interests out of pettiness or meanness or short-sightedness; and some people are unable to control their actions without strong social or temporal strictures such as religion or laws.

The other reason is one of definition. If a theme of libertarianism is that anyone may do what he pleases with minimal intrusion, so long as no one is harmed, then what exactly is harm? Who determines the degree of harm? If there is minimal regulation, what is the consequence of harm and who administers it? All this has to be defined and then implemented...and now you no longer have a fully libertarian society. It's got nothing to do with "lust for power," or "demands from the populace," except insofar as a desire for something besides anarchy and/or endless debate and argument about getting things done is "popular demand." There's a limit to how much can be accomplished by social consensus and social disapproval, and once a society grows beyond that point, a more restrictive government is inevitable and essential.

Or else the society must fragment and revert to a more manageable size. You don't get the benefits of a large civilization and the freedom of a band-level society at the same time.
2013-06-05 12:20:22 AM  
1 vote:
"Who put the Ram in the rama-lama-ding-dong?"
2013-06-04 11:44:32 PM  
1 vote:

jjorsett: Why are there no libertarian countries?

Why were there no democracies prior to Greece? Because nobody had tried it yet. There's a first time for everything.




Let us know how it works out.
2013-06-04 10:55:50 PM  
1 vote:
minimal government, free trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no welfare state and no public education system =  Somalia?
2013-06-04 10:44:17 PM  
1 vote:
Why is the magazine called "Reason" when it contains nothing of the sort?
2013-06-04 10:21:53 PM  
1 vote:
s1.hubimg.com
Libertarian contract law.

/Couldn't find a better picture.
2013-06-04 09:50:30 PM  
1 vote:
"Who put the Bomp in the Bomp, Bomp, Bomp?"
2013-06-04 09:20:58 PM  
1 vote:

gameshowhost: [i43.tinypic.com image 776x509] 

*brutal truth about libertarians*


Pfft.  What does that guy know about the meaning of words?

He should stick to being a political pundit.
2013-06-04 08:52:53 PM  
1 vote:

gimmegimme: Anonymous Bosch: "Why do you ignore the parts of history where unregulated commerce got us used meat stores and piles of chalk and lye masquerading as butter?"

"Why should we trust people to not break the rules in an unregulated market when we can't trust them to do so now? Is your position really that if there were no authorities to bribe, everyone would behave?"

"Why is it that practically every historical example of libertarian concepts at work- such as privatized fire departments -has had to be replaced with organized, well-regulated efforts for the safety of everyone involved?"

"Would you willingly live in an area without a police force?"

"Do you think it's significant that the most famous works championing versions of libertarianism are works of fiction and not philosophical/economic treatises?"

"You do know Ron Paul is full of shiat, right?"

Sorry, had too much straw for just one strawman.

Then by all means tell us where libertarianism has worked.


Pretty sure that libertarian systems break down once a second human being is introduced into the equation.
2013-06-04 08:32:38 PM  
1 vote:
Because it is a crappy philosophy that doesn't work in the real world, that's why.
2013-06-04 07:45:34 PM  
1 vote:
"Why do you ignore the parts of history where unregulated commerce got us used meat stores and piles of chalk and lye masquerading as butter?"

"Why should we trust people to not break the rules in an unregulated market when we can't trust them to do so now? Is your position really that if there were no authorities to bribe, everyone would behave?"

"Why is it that practically every historical example of libertarian concepts at work- such as privatized fire departments -has had to be replaced with organized, well-regulated efforts for the safety of everyone involved?"

"Would you willingly live in an area without a police force?"

"Do you think it's significant that the most famous works championing versions of libertarianism are works of fiction and not philosophical/economic treatises?"

"You do know Ron Paul is full of shiat, right?"

Sorry, had too much straw for just one strawman.
2013-06-04 07:39:37 PM  
1 vote:
In D_I_A's defense, I'll bet public education really does suck in Texas.
2013-06-04 07:30:25 PM  
1 vote:
"Name another amendment from the Constitution other than freedom of speech and right to bear arms?"
2013-06-04 07:09:54 PM  
1 vote:

Philip Francis Queeg: ManRay: A question liberals have problems with:

Is there anything that you think is a good idea that the government should not be involved in?

I think a me having a night of hot, steamy sex with Salma Hayek is a very good idea, but I don't see any role for the governmentb in it.


I'm all for a night of hot, steamy sex with Salma Hayek myself.  Unfortunately I don't think it's going to happen without some sort of goverment intervention.
2013-06-04 06:28:55 PM  
1 vote:
24.media.tumblr.com
The world may never know.
2013-06-04 06:16:06 PM  
1 vote:
What is six times nine
2013-06-04 06:15:10 PM  
1 vote:
ecx.images-amazon.com
2013-06-04 05:57:25 PM  
1 vote:

Altair: vygramul: Altair: vygramul: gameshowhost: [i40.tinypic.com image 479x229]
failed libertarian attempt to make their vision of the future sound appealing

If there's one thing that truly seems to defy Libertarian theory it's a love for the ultimate in fiat currency: Bitcoin.

as much as I hate to defend libertarians, I'm not really sure I'd call Bitcoin a fiat currency

Oh? What commodity backs it?

What central bank issues it?


Pretty much irrelevant once you get into the reasons Libertarians object to fiat currencies. They will hurry to tell you that it's not worth anything. It's fake. There's nothing behind it. It's just a piece of paper. It's only worth something because you THINK it's worth something. And then they'll go for Bitcoin?
2013-06-04 05:32:24 PM  
1 vote:

skullkrusher: gimmegimme: skullkrusher: gimmegimme: skullkrusher: vygramul: Hydra: STATE-ENFORCED Jim Crow laws, etc.

Really? You're blaming Jim Crow Laws for FORCING restaurants to have whites-only counters?

Seriously?

Wow.

you realize that that's what many of them did? They specifically forbade non-segregated businesses and public places.

I think you're jumping the shark on this one, friend.

look who's wrong again...

You do make a good point.  During WWII, the federal government specifically forbade the internment of Japanese Americans.  They all just went into the camps themselves.

this doesn't even make a little bit of sense


Exactly.
2013-06-04 05:30:11 PM  
1 vote:
and also unicorns.
2013-06-04 05:26:54 PM  
1 vote:

skullkrusher: gimmegimme: skullkrusher: vygramul: Hydra: STATE-ENFORCED Jim Crow laws, etc.

Really? You're blaming Jim Crow Laws for FORCING restaurants to have whites-only counters?

Seriously?

Wow.

you realize that that's what many of them did? They specifically forbade non-segregated businesses and public places.

I think you're jumping the shark on this one, friend.

look who's wrong again...


You do make a good point.  During WWII, the federal government specifically forbade the internment of Japanese Americans.  They all just went into the camps themselves.
2013-06-04 05:24:41 PM  
1 vote:
I use Somalia as an endpoint in an anti-Libertarian slippery slope argument.

1: Weak policing leads to provision of security by strong men
2: Strong men become local potentates
3: Strong men become kings
4: Feudalism.

It's a stretch, but it's how Europe went from the Roman empire to Feudal europe after the empire fell apart.

Would it happen that way here? Maybe. I'd bet on corporate overlords instead of feudal lords. Corporations with armies and nuclear weapons.

/Proctor & Gamble presents The Tide wars.
2013-06-04 05:24:12 PM  
1 vote:
THEN WHO WAS PHONE???

Go on libertarians. Answer it. Just try.
2013-06-04 05:16:43 PM  
1 vote:
I take them as embarrassed republicans that just want to be left alone, except for when they want stuff. Then they better get it or tyranny and tree of liberty, etc.
2013-06-04 05:13:18 PM  
1 vote:
All the Libertarians I'm friends with on Facebook are just conspiracy nuts. You can't even engage with them on any particular issues because most of them speak exclusively in 20 minute YouTube videos or oversimplistic meme pictures.
2013-06-04 05:08:50 PM  
1 vote:

Dancin_In_Anson: gimmegimme: By all means, demonstrate why the comparison is improper.

Libertarianism is not about no laws. Not in any way shape or form. And a Libertarian voter and a volunteer firefighter,  I point and laugh at your farking ignorant picture a post or two up.


And yet you still wonder why FDR was elected over Hoover...
2013-06-04 05:06:53 PM  
1 vote:

Jim_Callahan: I can only conclude that the author of TFA thinks that the Big Mac is the world's finest dining


No, that's just what The Invisible Hand of the Fee Market determines it to be.
2013-06-04 05:05:37 PM  
1 vote:

Dancin_In_Anson: gimmegimme: By all means, demonstrate why the comparison is improper.

Libertarianism is not about no laws. Not in any way shape or form. And a Libertarian voter and a volunteer firefighter,  I point and laugh at your farking ignorant picture a post or two up.


What's stopping you from volunteer firefighting in Somalia?
2013-06-04 05:03:54 PM  
1 vote:

tallguywithglasseson: Why are you calling yourself a libertarian when you're really a neo-confederate?


When the GOP was searching for a term to use for their latest rebranding effort, "libertarian" polled higher than "neo-confederate". That doesn't mean they won't consider using it at some later time.
2013-06-04 04:47:01 PM  
1 vote:
What did the Libertarian do when asked a question he couldn't answer?

.....wait for it......


.....wait.....


He shrugged.


/here all week
//tip your veal
2013-06-04 04:45:24 PM  
1 vote:
How many times did your grandpa fark Ayn Rand?
2013-06-04 04:39:25 PM  
1 vote:
My father went to a Libertarian Party convention back in the day, so I'm somewhat familiar with the theories.

I've got one hyper-Libertarian-theorist friend still from my college days... lives in a rural farmstead doing just about nothing but posting on anarchist/liberty sites.  Where I "win" with him (i.e., he shuts up and we just drink a beer) is on environmental issues.

Me: "So, let's say you're spraying arsenic from your smokestack".

Hyper-Libertarian Buddy: "Okay, adjoining property owners can sue you for trespass." (let's ignore his cockamamie theories on privatized courts for a while)

Me: "At what level?  I'm certain someone 50 miles away can find measurable if insignificant arsenic in their air attributable to that polluter.  Can any greenie, almost anywhere, shut down that plant and bring progress basically to its knees?  Can anyone actually sue for trespass?"

HLB: "Well, there has to be some acceptable level."

Me: "Congrats, you've just re-invented government regulation."

HLB: "... fine... do you want a lager or ale?"
2013-06-04 04:38:54 PM  
1 vote:

vygramul: Oh? What commodity backs it?


Hanukkah Gelt.
2013-06-04 04:38:34 PM  
1 vote:

Dancin_In_Anson: gimmegimme: By all means, demonstrate why the comparison is improper.

Libertarianism is not about no laws. Not in any way shape or form.


Yes, we all know that you don't like to pays taxes.

 And a Libertarian voter(who NEVER votes for Republicans)

and a volunteer firefighter (Look! This information is relevant!)

,  I point and laugh at your farking ignorant picture a post or two up.

Yes, you Fark IndependentsTM are always pointing and laughing. The most jolly folks on earth. The "Nelsons" of humanity, you are.
2013-06-04 04:32:35 PM  
1 vote:
"If it keeps getting later and later, then how come it's early sometimes?"
2013-06-04 04:28:08 PM  
1 vote:

gimmegimme: Dancin_In_Anson: Honest Bender: There seem to be a lot of people who don't understand the difference between libertarians and anarchists.

They're getting better...Almost 2 hours in and no idiotic LOL Somalia yet.

Oh, wait.

sithon: I suggest Somalia is just such a libertarian paradise . No ,bureaucrats ,no law , no red tape, nobody getting into your bidness.

I stand corrected.

By all means, demonstrate why the comparison is improper.


Because they would have to actually build up Somalia.  That want a country that is already built and humming along to just surrender itself to the freedom.
2013-06-04 04:20:03 PM  
1 vote:

Girl From The North Country: What's your name? Who's your daddy?


Is he rich like me?
2013-06-04 04:18:39 PM  
1 vote:
i1055.photobucket.com

Libertarian Instruction Manual
2013-06-04 04:17:01 PM  
1 vote:
Libertarian Criminal justice system.

www.practicaltacticaltraining.com
2013-06-04 04:14:22 PM  
1 vote:
What's your name? Who's your daddy?
2013-06-04 04:10:26 PM  
1 vote:
came to see libertarians mocked and ridiculed, leaving satisfied
2013-06-04 04:06:57 PM  
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Karac: Darth_Lukecash: Dancin_In_Anson: Karac: Please, enlighten us then as to the true Libertarianism.

Enlighten yourself.

Okay, I just read that article.

Two things that stand out: that skepticism of government, yet groups of people making decisions are some how better. And somehow libertarians are closer to their communities.

1) the articles of confederation and a Confederation of United States of America are prime historical failures of a decentralized government. Gee that may it be a good business model.

2 you are assuming that the masses will make intelligent decisions. Any local school board will show that this is not true. We have hundreds of them banning classic books, teaching "creationism", enforcing homophobia or cutting classes materials and programs that will hurt development of their kids.

The big difference is that right and the left do care about about their families, friends and community. More so than the libertarians, whom assume people will naturally do the "right" thing.

What I got out of that article was from it's first point: libertarianism is not about blind faith, but it supposes people will work together voluntarily instead of gleefully stabbing each other in the back.


And this is totally different from the Anarchist belief that without governments people will live in harmony because and furthermore.
2013-06-04 04:02:46 PM  
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Rev.K: Again, I ask, why are regulations automatically bad?

Bad for whom?

Are there any regulations Libertarians support?


Yeah.

WE DEMAND YOU PUT US IN POWER.
2013-06-04 03:59:26 PM  
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Why are you calling yourself a libertarian when you're really a neo-confederate?
2013-06-04 03:51:49 PM  
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violentsalvation: gimmegimme: violentsalvation: Someone named gimmegimme misrepresenting libertarianism. I'll be damned. Couldn't make this shiat up.

Duder, your name is "violentsalvation."  How many strangers have you killed today?

7 or 8. Slow day here in libertarian land, it would've been more but the bridge exploded on my way to the annual tire fire and mercury eating contest. And well, needless to say, it took my slaves a couple hours to float my war wagon across the river of fecal matter and styrofoam.


Libertarian Small Claims Court:

upload.wikimedia.org
2013-06-04 03:47:21 PM  
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gameshowhost: libertarian baby


OK, I'm going to Hell for laughing at that.
2013-06-04 03:44:51 PM  
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vygramul: Libertarianism would be easier to endorse if they'd only express some recognition of externalities.


Keep boxing that straw man.

gameshowhost: [i43.tinypic.com image 776x509] 

*brutal truth about libertarians*


You too.

/seriously, quoting Noam Chomsky? Why don't you ask Lenin what he thought about capitalists?
2013-06-04 03:29:33 PM  
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Someone named gimmegimme misrepresenting libertarianism. I'll be damned. Couldn't make this shiat up.
2013-06-04 03:26:28 PM  
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Dancin_In_Anson: BunkoSquad: That's almost word-for-word why I'm for single-payer health care.

Because anything other than total government control of the process is anarchy.


I'm actually trying to picture a Libertarian approach to health care and all I can come up with are the smoking crater where the CDC used to be and the "Bring Out Your Dead" cart from Holy Grail.
2013-06-04 03:19:11 PM  
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inapcache.boston.com


Libertarian FEMA response
2013-06-04 03:15:42 PM  
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Dancin_In_Anson: gimmegimme: Why should I have to pay if my neighbor's house catches fire?

Because you're not an asshole anarchist.


If someone wants a fire engine to come and put out a fire, then they can pay for the privilege themselves.  When the government babies the citizenry, they have no motivation to make enough money to afford such services.
2013-06-04 03:12:21 PM  
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I think my biggest problem with Libertarianism is that it seems to constantly deny the existence of society and boils everything down to the individual.

Sure, it sounds great, until you project that individual behaviour across a whole society, and that's when it becomes pretty obvious that Libertarianism would be a pretty epic fail.
2013-06-04 03:10:24 PM  
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Libertarian Municipal Water Department:

www.nicoletwater.com
2013-06-04 03:09:20 PM  
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My guess is that Libertarian ideas could indeed be examined by governments around the world as possible choices for implementation.

But my feeling is that a good number of them, while sound on paper, become horrendously inefficient money pits that don't pass merit.


And I have to point out that I really love these "Economic Freedom" assessments, that, among other things, automatically view less regulation as better. That isn't at all leading to particular conclusions. No sir.
2013-06-04 03:04:23 PM  
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i41.tinypic.com
2013-06-04 03:00:22 PM  
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vygramul: TheHighlandHowler: I think many democracies (and republics) are libertarian in their infancies, but as they mature, government grows.  This is partly due to demands from the populace, and politicians' lust for power.

It could be that they find out that libertarianism doesn't work.

Or it could be that communism works great, but that politicians' lust for power and the demands from the populace spoil those systems, too.


The USA under the Articles of Confederation were much more libertarian than under the Constitution.  Weak central government with no ability to enforce its decisions, no ability to levy taxes,  no foreign policy to speak of (yay noninterventionism), no power to regulate trade or commerce, no courts beyond state level, and not even a national military to speak of.

That small, local government oriented libertarian dream lasted less than a decade before everyone agreed that it was an unworkable mess.
2013-06-04 02:48:58 PM  
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timujin: Gecko Gingrich: What rhymes with "orange"?

Sporange


melange
2013-06-04 02:44:37 PM  
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How long does it take to drive?
2013-06-04 02:43:32 PM  
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Of all the stupidity and assholedom associated with libertarianism, failure to answer this question is quite a pointless thing to pick out.
2013-06-04 02:27:26 PM  
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TheHighlandHowler: I think many democracies (and republics) are libertarian in their infancies, but as they mature, government grows.  This is partly due to demands from the populace, and politicians' lust for power.


Scope creep is a hell of a thing.
2013-06-04 01:58:54 PM  
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The fact that it was created by Robert Heinlein for STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND, and was never meant
to be taken seriously as an actual political system?
2013-06-04 01:52:33 PM  
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TheHighlandHowler: I think many democracies (and republics) are libertarian in their infancies, but as they mature, government grows.  This is partly due to demands from the populace, and politicians' lust for power.


"From this view of the subject it may be concluded that a pure democracy, by which I mean a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert result from the form of government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions."
2013-06-04 01:48:07 PM  
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"What is the Dewey Decimal number for a biography on Theodore Roosevelt?"
2013-06-04 01:44:11 PM  
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Karac: Just shows how little faith libertarians have in their own ideas.


You're absolutely right.  My faith in libertarianism is insufficient to motivate me to insight an armed revolution.  You caught me.
2013-06-04 01:15:44 PM  
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Again... with the language problems.  We're not talking about Libertarianism, we talking Corporate Anarchists.
 
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