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2013-06-04 02:56:52 PM
i54.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-04 02:58:10 PM

gimmegimme: By all means, demonstrate why the comparison is improper.


Libertarianism is not about no laws. Not in any way shape or form. And a Libertarian voter and a volunteer firefighter,  I point and laugh at your farking ignorant picture a post or two up.
 
2013-06-04 03:00:14 PM
Why do you call yourself a Libertarian when you are just a Republican with a penchant for massive bong hits?
 
2013-06-04 03:00:22 PM

vygramul: TheHighlandHowler: I think many democracies (and republics) are libertarian in their infancies, but as they mature, government grows.  This is partly due to demands from the populace, and politicians' lust for power.

It could be that they find out that libertarianism doesn't work.

Or it could be that communism works great, but that politicians' lust for power and the demands from the populace spoil those systems, too.


The USA under the Articles of Confederation were much more libertarian than under the Constitution.  Weak central government with no ability to enforce its decisions, no ability to levy taxes,  no foreign policy to speak of (yay noninterventionism), no power to regulate trade or commerce, no courts beyond state level, and not even a national military to speak of.

That small, local government oriented libertarian dream lasted less than a decade before everyone agreed that it was an unworkable mess.
 
2013-06-04 03:00:31 PM
i40.tinypic.com 

libertarian public swimming pool
 
2013-06-04 03:00:37 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: gimmegimme: By all means, demonstrate why the comparison is improper.

Libertarianism is not about no laws. Not in any way shape or form. And a Libertarian voter and a volunteer firefighter,  I point and laugh at your farking ignorant picture a post or two up.


Why should I have to pay if my neighbor's house catches fire?  It's like car insurance.  I should have the choice whether or not I want to pay for protection against misfortune.  (And isn't misfortune generally brought on by our own mistakes?)

And why are you volunteering?  Selfishness is a virtue, friend.
 
2013-06-04 03:04:23 PM
i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-04 03:05:23 PM
Libertarian Medicare:

tommangan.net
 
2013-06-04 03:05:49 PM

Honest Bender: Karac: Just shows how little faith libertarians have in their own ideas.

You're absolutely right.  My faith in libertarianism is insufficient to motivate me to insight an armed revolution.  You caught me.




That's the problem with libertarians. The second you attempt to force your views own someone else, you've already broke your own ideals.

The fact is this, people do not act in everyone's best interest, business do not do the right thing because of long term. People will largely act in self interest.

Thus Libertarians are complete and absolute adolescence of politics.
 
2013-06-04 03:06:30 PM
i56.tinypic.com 

libertarian severe-weather early-warning system
 
2013-06-04 03:06:39 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: gimmegimme: By all means, demonstrate why the comparison is improper.

Libertarianism is not about no laws. Not in any way shape or form. And a Libertarian voter and a volunteer firefighter,  I point and laugh at your farking ignorant picture a post or two up.


Please, enlighten us then as to the true Libertarianism.  Feel free to include examples of how his pictures are wrong and what would be actually be the libertarian ideal, and the workable libertarian solution, in those situations
 
2013-06-04 03:07:39 PM
i51.tinypic.com 

libertarian economics
 
2013-06-04 03:09:19 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Honest Bender: Karac: Just shows how little faith libertarians have in their own ideas.

You're absolutely right.  My faith in libertarianism is insufficient to motivate me to insight an armed revolution.  You caught me.

That's the problem with libertarians. The second you attempt to force your views own someone else, you've already broke your own ideals.

The fact is this, people do not act in everyone's best interest, business do not do the right thing because of long term. People will largely act in self interest.

Thus Libertarians are complete and absolute adolescence of politics.


If a business can make $100 in profit by polluting a river until it catches fire it will.
A libertarian believes that enough people will realize that that business is behind the disaster and avoid their products enough to reduce that profit to a loss.
A realist realizes that the business will hide the source of the pollution, blame it on somebody else, or just move to China because who can even spell the name of one of their rivers?
 
2013-06-04 03:09:20 PM
My guess is that Libertarian ideas could indeed be examined by governments around the world as possible choices for implementation.

But my feeling is that a good number of them, while sound on paper, become horrendously inefficient money pits that don't pass merit.


And I have to point out that I really love these "Economic Freedom" assessments, that, among other things, automatically view less regulation as better. That isn't at all leading to particular conclusions. No sir.
 
2013-06-04 03:10:24 PM
Libertarian Municipal Water Department:

www.nicoletwater.com
 
2013-06-04 03:12:06 PM
i43.tinypic.com 

libertarian ecology
 
2013-06-04 03:12:21 PM
I think my biggest problem with Libertarianism is that it seems to constantly deny the existence of society and boils everything down to the individual.

Sure, it sounds great, until you project that individual behaviour across a whole society, and that's when it becomes pretty obvious that Libertarianism would be a pretty epic fail.
 
2013-06-04 03:13:31 PM

gimmegimme: Why should I have to pay if my neighbor's house catches fire?


Because you're not an asshole anarchist.
 
2013-06-04 03:13:37 PM
i53.tinypic.com 

libertarian corrective eye surgery
 
2013-06-04 03:14:12 PM
I think the larger, practical problem for liberarians is that even if you grant them they have a distinct set of functions they want the government to enforce, their disposition makes enforcement extremely hard, which is why they get compared to anarchists. You can't simultaneously hate government and demonize it, but simultaneously staff if and run it in a manner to effectively and without corruption enforce those particular narrow slate of laws you like. Reality doesn't work that way.
 
2013-06-04 03:15:36 PM
i53.tinypic.com 

libertarian hazmat suit
 
2013-06-04 03:15:42 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: gimmegimme: Why should I have to pay if my neighbor's house catches fire?

Because you're not an asshole anarchist.


If someone wants a fire engine to come and put out a fire, then they can pay for the privilege themselves.  When the government babies the citizenry, they have no motivation to make enough money to afford such services.
 
2013-06-04 03:17:06 PM

Karac: Please, enlighten us then as to the true Libertarianism.


Enlighten yourself.
 
2013-06-04 03:17:09 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: gimmegimme: Why should I have to pay if my neighbor's house catches fire?

Because you're not an asshole anarchist.


That's almost word-for-word why I'm for single-payer health care.
 
2013-06-04 03:17:11 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com

Libertarian aviation regulation
 
2013-06-04 03:17:36 PM
i56.tinypic.com 

libertarian theory applied to reality
 
2013-06-04 03:17:41 PM

gimmegimme: If someone wants a fire engine to come and put out a fire, then they can pay for the privilege themselves.


Maybe I was wrong and you are an asshole anarchist.
 
2013-06-04 03:18:15 PM
"WHAT'S THAT SMELL?"
 
2013-06-04 03:18:28 PM

BunkoSquad: That's almost word-for-word why I'm for single-payer health care.


Because anything other than total government control of the process is anarchy.
 
2013-06-04 03:19:11 PM
inapcache.boston.com


Libertarian FEMA response
 
2013-06-04 03:19:22 PM
But dude.... Pot would be legal! Dude!
 
2013-06-04 03:20:28 PM
Libertarian highway system.

www.advamed2009.com
 
2013-06-04 03:20:32 PM
static.neatorama.com

Libertarian building code enforcement
 
2013-06-04 03:21:54 PM

gimmegimme: If someone wants a fire engine to come and put out a fire, then they can pay for the privilege themselves. When the government babies the citizenry, they have no motivation to make enough money to afford such services.


Farck that. The responsibility is the fire's, because the fire chose to invade that home. Charge the fire with arson and put it in prison.
 
2013-06-04 03:23:40 PM

Karac: Darth_Lukecash: Honest Bender: Karac: Just shows how little faith libertarians have in their own ideas.

You're absolutely right.  My faith in libertarianism is insufficient to motivate me to insight an armed revolution.  You caught me.

That's the problem with libertarians. The second you attempt to force your views own someone else, you've already broke your own ideals.

The fact is this, people do not act in everyone's best interest, business do not do the right thing because of long term. People will largely act in self interest.

Thus Libertarians are complete and absolute adolescence of politics.

If a business can make $100 in profit by polluting a river until it catches fire it will.
A libertarian believes that enough people will realize that that business is behind the disaster and avoid their products enough to reduce that profit to a loss.
A realist realizes that the business will hide the source of the pollution, blame it on somebody else, or just move to China because who can even spell the name of one of their rivers?




The problem is that the number one thing a company says is: it's not against the law. The number two thing is that if one company does it, everyone else does it.
The biggest problem with business, it's about profit. That's it.
 
2013-06-04 03:24:13 PM

Somacandra: gimmegimme: If someone wants a fire engine to come and put out a fire, then they can pay for the privilege themselves. When the government babies the citizenry, they have no motivation to make enough money to afford such services.

Farck that. The responsibility is the fire's, because the fire chose to invade that home. Charge the fire with arson and put it in prison.


A private for-profit prison paid for by the inmates, of course.
 
2013-06-04 03:26:28 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: BunkoSquad: That's almost word-for-word why I'm for single-payer health care.

Because anything other than total government control of the process is anarchy.


I'm actually trying to picture a Libertarian approach to health care and all I can come up with are the smoking crater where the CDC used to be and the "Bring Out Your Dead" cart from Holy Grail.
 
2013-06-04 03:26:48 PM

Karac: Honest Bender: If your approach is so great, why hasn't any country anywhere in the world ever tried it?
Lack of opportunity would be my guess.  You can't just relocate somewhere and declare a new government.   And no government is going to willingly give up power.

Just shows how little faith libertarians have in their own ideas.
Did George Washington let the British unwillingness to give up power stop him from founding the USA?


Interesting that you bring that up:  The USA was pretty damned libertarian when it was founded.  In fact, the Constitution itself is pretty damned libertarian.  *PARTS* of the USA weren't very libertarian, of course, but as a whole, on the federal level, it was largely that way.   It was a big "Fark you, let us run our affairs as we see fit" not just collectively, but also at the individual level.

Unfortunately, nature (and politics) abhors a vacuum, and over time, the pressure to fill that vacuum builds up, and you get more and more regulations.  It is the unfortunate nature of organizations (and government is an organization) to expand as much as they possibly can.
 
2013-06-04 03:28:25 PM
Libertarian Parks Department:

www.tribbleagency.com
 
2013-06-04 03:29:04 PM

DamnYankees: You can't simultaneously hate government and demonize it, but simultaneously staff if and run it in a manner to effectively and without corruption enforce those particular narrow slate of laws you like.


I heartily endorse this event, idea or product.
 
2013-06-04 03:29:33 PM
Someone named gimmegimme misrepresenting libertarianism. I'll be damned. Couldn't make this shiat up.
 
2013-06-04 03:29:58 PM

dittybopper: Unfortunately, nature (and politics) abhors a vacuum, and over time, the pressure to fill that vacuum builds up, and you get more and more regulations.  It is the unfortunate nature of organizations (and government is an organization) to expand as much as they possibly can.


Again, I love how Libertarians view regulation as bad, automatically, every single time.

Why are regulations are bad?
 
2013-06-04 03:32:57 PM
a.espncdn.com 

libertarian quarterback
 
2013-06-04 03:33:24 PM

violentsalvation: Someone named gimmegimme misrepresenting libertarianism. I'll be damned. Couldn't make this shiat up.


Duder, your name is "violentsalvation."  How many strangers have you killed today?

Libertarian Supreme Court in session:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-04 03:35:56 PM
i39.tinypic.com 

libertarian athletic competition
 
2013-06-04 03:37:38 PM
i39.tinypic.com 

libertarian coast guard
 
2013-06-04 03:40:28 PM
Why is submitter's mom such a whore?
 
2013-06-04 03:41:09 PM
Libertarianism would be easier to endorse if they'd only express some recognition of externalities.
 
2013-06-04 03:42:24 PM

dittybopper: Unfortunately, nature (and politics) abhors a vacuum, and over time, the pressure to fill that vacuum builds up, and you get more and more regulations.


War has a lot to do with it. It was hard in the U.S. for the North to fight its war with the South without asserting a number of expansionist powers, especially economically. There are important reasons why the National Banking Acts of 1863 and 1864 were passed during the Civil War.
 
2013-06-04 03:42:49 PM
i43.tinypic.com 

*brutal truth about libertarians*
 
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