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2013-06-04 05:57:44 PM  

ceebeecates4: 8 chaperones can't begin to properly control 100 kids


They could if all the little brats were fitted with shock collars.
 
2013-06-04 05:58:07 PM  
On one hand, when the flight crew tells you to knock shiat off, you knock shiat off.

On the other hand, the FAA has cleared iPads to replace flight log books in the cockpit, so... why do the cell phones need to be off, again?
 
2013-06-04 05:59:15 PM  

Marine1: why do the cell phones need to be off, again?


Because they cut into the massive profits they get from those in-flight phones fitted on the back of each seat.
 
2013-06-04 06:05:19 PM  

JPSimonetti: Regarding the whole "phone/ipad video" thing ... Aren't planes pretty much frickin' lined with cameras by the airlines themselves these days?


You'd think they would be.  They've got cameras in school buses and every damned streetcorner, but apparently not in airplanes.  One camera on the coach bulkhead would put this matter rest.
 
2013-06-04 06:05:38 PM  

OgreMagi: Marine1: why do the cell phones need to be off, again?

Because they cut into the massive profits they get from those in-flight phones fitted on the back of each seat.


I've actually never seen one of those in an aircraft. Then again, wherever I fly is from KCI, so you can get anywhere in a 737...

/I doubt that's the reason, though.
 
2013-06-04 06:07:31 PM  
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2013-06-04 06:07:40 PM  

ceebeecates4: doglover: TNel: Sorry you should have told your students to stop messing around and sit and listen.

Used to be 7 teachers could control 100 students in public because if and when you acted up they had authority to punish you. Hell, Victorian teachers had more leeway than military interrogations do now.

Now, it's freakin' impossible. Not only do teachers not have the legal and social authority to punish kids, the kids know it.

I think you have it backwards.  8 chaperones can't begin to properly control 100 kids.  Maybe my class was terrible, but I remember having 5-6 chaperones for just 20 kids.  That being said, I went to a high school that could still motivate with its punishments.  (CSB: 5-day Sun-Fri boarding school making you stay the weekend was always a nasty punishment.)


The summer after 8th grade, I went on a one-week trip to the East Coast that was run by the school.  Only kids who were invited got to go, so the worst troublemakers were already excluded.  Two dozen 14-year-olds and three adult chaperones.  Now, clearly my memory of things will be biased, but I don't think we were much trouble.  The flight attendants never had to ask us to sit down and shut up; we stayed in our seats the entire flight and, while we certainly chatted excitedly with each other, there were never any complaints made to the flight crew or our chaperones about us being too noisy.  It was a red-eye flight, too, so I'm pretty sure if we'd been too loud  someone who needed sleep would have biatched.

Of course, before we left, all the students were told in no uncertain terms that if they created trouble on the trip, they would be shipped home on the first available flight and their parents billed for the airfare, on top of what they'd already paid for the trip.  None of us wanted to have to call our parents from the other side of the country and say "Hey mom and dad, I've been such a little brat that they aren't willing to put up with me anymore and they're sending me home.  You'll need to be at the airport at ass-thirty tomorrow morning to pick me up.  Oh, and expect a bill for a couple hundred dollars in the next week or so.  That's also because of me."
 
2013-06-04 06:09:10 PM  
It's the American way... You get busted for doing anything stupid and all you have to do is identify a group you belong to and cry discrimination.
 
2013-06-04 06:15:45 PM  
I'm surprised there aren't more Farkers on the first page defending those kids. Keeping your electronics on at all times and refusal to believe that anybody could ever have any sort of authority over them are their top two favorite things to be tough guys about in normal airline threads.
 
2013-06-04 06:16:00 PM  
Marine1: ...the FAA has cleared iPads to replace flight log books in the cockpit, so... why do the cell phones need to be off, again?

Because most people know wifi and cellular signals aren't the same thing? Just asking questions...
 
2013-06-04 06:30:08 PM  

Honest Bender: tripleseven: Oh, yeah, and before the internet electrical engineer brigade gets on here to tell me that "it's no big deal"  well, I suppose, but lets just say something did happen, would you want to be the assfark who just killed 100 people cause you didn't want to listen?

Have you flown at all in the last 15 years?  I'd bet that no more than 20% of the passengers turn off their phones (and I think I'm being overly generous with that number).  If something were going to happen, it would have happened.

Cell phones don't interfere with plane instrumentation.  I'll go ahead and say that again: "Your federally-mandated-to-not-interfere-with-electronics cell phone does not interfere with a plane's instrumentation."

That said, I'm still on team "Kids got what they deserved."


I travel frequently.  Again, your anecdotal evidence and GED in aeronautical safety are duly noted.
 
2013-06-04 06:32:13 PM  

Marine1: On one hand, when the flight crew tells you to knock shiat off, you knock shiat off.

On the other hand, the FAA has cleared iPads to replace flight log books in the cockpit, so... why do the cell phones need to be off, again?


I believe balki1867said it best.
 
2013-06-04 06:32:49 PM  
The chaperones should have read those kids the riot act before getting on the airplane, making sure they understood the rules and followed them without having to be told twice. The failure is on the chaperones and the parents for not getting the kids to behave.

Are kids nowadays so ADHD that they can't sit still for a few hours without acting out or playing with some electronic thing?
 
2013-06-04 06:33:49 PM  

dmcman73: If I was the pilot and the kids were not listening to the crew to take their seats and buckle up:  [www.popularmechanics.com image 300x300]


Don't forget your <cough> Polaroid camera </cough> .
 
2013-06-04 06:34:12 PM  

Marine1: On one hand, when the flight crew tells you to knock shiat off, you knock shiat off.

On the other hand, the FAA has cleared iPads to replace flight log books in the cockpit, so... why do the cell phones need to be off, again?


Apart from Surool's very good point on the difference between wifi and cell, perhaps it's because the flight attendants have neither the time nor the inclination to identify which type of tablet 200+ passengers are futzing with?
 
2013-06-04 06:35:36 PM  

Mr.Hawk: Even if it was a school for the deaf, 101 students on a plane would be way too loud for my taste.


Schools for the deaf are generally very noisy places. Think about it ...
 
2013-06-04 06:36:49 PM  

Truther: No Tatsuma????


He'll be along as soon as he works out how to work "all arabs are terrorists" into it. Or maybe his plane hasn't landed yet.
 
2013-06-04 06:37:30 PM  

ceebeecates4: 8 chaperones can't begin to properly control 100 kids.


That's what I said.

8 Victorian teachers, on the other hand, could have controlled a 100 drunken sailors.
 
2013-06-04 06:38:48 PM  
Maybe next time they will opt to take the train.
 
2013-06-04 06:39:52 PM  
FTA:  Another student in the group, Michael Mamiye, said he was one of the first to be kicked off the plane. He said a flight attendant did not give him a chance to turn off his cell phone before asking him to "get off the plane."

Idiot. He expects that he has to be personally asked pretty-please to turn off his cell phone rather than comply with the announcement made to turn off all electronic devices. He's a spoiled brat and deserved to be kicked off.
 
2013-06-04 06:42:41 PM  

Rhypskallion: roughridersfan:
How many other students around him were asked in the meantimE? Probably more than one. He should have taken the hint the first time the flight attendant told one of his classmates to turn off their phone instead of thinking the request didn't apply to him.

I can't hear everything said in the vicinity of 109 quiet people.   You've made some interesting assumptions about the superhuman senses these kids should have.    I don't think that your conclusion is reasonable.   He may have not had any reasonable warning.   Passenger compartment speakers are not always clear, so broadcast messages may not have been understandable.


If your plane is 45 minutes late due to douchebaggery, it doesn't matter. You had a chance to hear, and you and your fellows squandered it.
 
2013-06-04 06:52:00 PM  

tripleseven: Do I know for certain that a phone will bring down a plane?


Well I know for certain that a phone will not bring down a plane.

But don't let your GED in aeronautical safety stop you from your snowflakishness, it's not like there are 100 or so other people who could possibly be at risk from your decision.

I will let my engineering degree and understanding of physics determine my thinking on the matter. And nobody is at risk because phones don't run on magic.
 
2013-06-04 06:53:18 PM  
Jews claim they have been oppressed for hundreds of years. Why should they claim any different this time?
Israel: Practicing apartheid since 1948.
 
2013-06-04 06:54:57 PM  
I went on a student ambassador trip to Europe when I was 13 or 14.  I had to work for a year to save money for it along with a Rotary scholarship, and most of the other kids had worked for/applied and won scholarships for most of the cost as well.  So we're understandably pretty damn excited.

Of course, we had about 6 getting-to-know-other-kids / travel-prep meetings ahead of time, and our chaperones were all no-nonsense adults who let us know quite clearly that if we f--ked up - disrupted the plane, drank any alcohol even if it was legal in whatever country we were in, any vandalism, etc. - , we'd be sent home on our parent's dime.  And the parents nodded in agreement, my Mom muttered under her breath to me that no, *I'd* be the one paying for it, and we all shrunk down in our seats.

So yeah, we were rowdy a bit.  But then we got stare of death from the strategically located chaperones and we STFU.  Still had a damn awesome time but we were all acutely aware of the parameters in which a good time could be had.

TL;DR.  I wonder who paid for the cost of the trip.
 
2013-06-04 06:56:52 PM  
Hmm.  No, I was 14 nearly 15, because I worked about 10 months prior before that trip and I couldn't get the job when I was 13.

/damn getting old
//years blending together
 
2013-06-04 06:59:28 PM  

grumpyoldmann: Jews claim they have been oppressed for hundreds of years. Why should they claim any different this time?
Israel: Practicing apartheid since 1948.


Aren't their Arab citizens and Knesset members in Israel?
 
2013-06-04 07:00:03 PM  

BgJonson79: grumpyoldmann: Jews claim they have been oppressed for hundreds of years. Why should they claim any different this time?
Israel: Practicing apartheid since 1948.

Aren't their Arab citizens and Knesset members in Israel?


There... derp.
 
2013-06-04 07:00:21 PM  
When people get kicked off a flight, does the airline refund them the cost of the ticket or tell them that they're SOL? I would think the airline would tell them that they're SOL as those seats could have been filled with paying customers if they hadn't bought tickets in the first place.
 
2013-06-04 07:05:00 PM  
Wow, it takes a lot of douchebaggery to make people take the side of the AIRLINE.

And a lot of douchebaggery is what we have here. I believe the business section guy and the flight attendants. Because I've seen how many high schoolers behave in groups. They're generally loud and assholish, regardless of the surroundings.

I would have recommended more than 8 (or 2) chaperones for 100 students.
 
2013-06-04 07:11:25 PM  

orbister: Truther: No Tatsuma????

He'll be along as soon as he works out how to work "all arabs are terrorists" into it. Or maybe his plane hasn't landed yet.


He posted at 6:31 in the thread about how not persecuting LBGT people is making the US the same as Stalinist USSR, so he's on Fark, I presume he didn't notice this thread because there was no obvious call-out in the headline.
 
2013-06-04 07:13:49 PM  

OHDUDENESS: what_now: I was in the airport recently for an overnight flight, and I saw a group of cheerleaders and their moms walk into the gate area. That was an incredibly terrifying few minutes, but they were headed for a different plane.

[pic of two blokes playing vidya games]


Possible threadjack, but I'm curious 'cause it shows up in threads from time to time: what the blink is this pic supposed to indicate?
 
2013-06-04 07:15:36 PM  
Yeah, being an observant teenager, among 108 kids there are at least 10 that can't stop yelling "swag," "thug lyfe" and 2 chainz" at the top of their lungs. Also, about 75% of them can't turn off their phones.
/trust me I'm not normal
 
2013-06-04 07:20:34 PM  

Confabulat: And it's a lovely message for the school to blame the airline, instead of their own rotten students that can't behave like adults for a few damn minutes. If you can't behave on an airplane, you don't belong on one. You don't get a second chance to shut up and sit down and turn off your phone. You do it or get the hell off.

-=-
That's it right there. Grow up or get out.
 
2013-06-04 07:21:51 PM  
gimmegimme [TotalFark]
2013-06-04 02:10:50 PM


That flight attendant did those people the biggest favor of their lives. All 108 of them.


So very confused, farkers are taking the side of air-biatches and turning off phones. What could the reason be? o.O

*clicks link & reads article*

Ohhhh I see, That makes sense now. They kicked jews off.

The only thing farkers hate more than airline stewardess is jews and gwb.
 
2013-06-04 07:25:11 PM  

BgJonson79: grumpyoldmann: Jews claim they have been oppressed for hundreds of years. Why should they claim any different this time?
Israel: Practicing apartheid since 1948.

Aren't their Arab citizens and Knesset members in Israel?


Yes.  But the people who hate Israel need to pretend that there are no non-Jews, and especially no Muslims, in that country.  Otherwise their entire story falls completely apart.
 
2013-06-04 07:25:56 PM  

Befuddled: The chaperones should have read those kids the riot act before getting on the airplane, making sure they understood the rules and followed them without having to be told twice. The failure is on the chaperones and the parents for not getting the kids to behave.

Are kids nowadays so ADHD that they can't sit still for a few hours without acting out or playing with some electronic thing?


Yes. And not just them, either. Lots of adults (20- to 40-somethings, at least) are the same way. If, on my way to the office on the 18th floor, there are (let's say) 3 other people on the elevator with me, 2 of them will be staring into their phone. I mean, I'm glad they're not yapping (usually), so I don't mind it that much, but I find it kinda sad that adults can't take a 15-second elevator ride without dicking around with their phone. They can't just stand there and, say, be alone with their own thoughts. Maybe they don't have any thoughts that aren't coming out of a screen.
 
2013-06-04 07:35:29 PM  

rat_creature: OHDUDENESS: what_now: I was in the airport recently for an overnight flight, and I saw a group of cheerleaders and their moms walk into the gate area. That was an incredibly terrifying few minutes, but they were headed for a different plane.

[pic of two blokes playing vidya games]

Possible threadjack, but I'm curious 'cause it shows up in threads from time to time: what the blink is this pic supposed to indicate?


Know how I know you're gay?
 
2013-06-04 07:38:32 PM  
"Why do I have to turn off my cell phone?"

Here's why: The Captain told you to. The Captain is responsible for the safety of the passengers, and that RESPONSIBILITY comes with AUTHORITY. These same people who complain about someone exercising their authority are also the first to demand that someone else take responsibility if something goes wrong.
And, is it me, or is there a large overlap between the groups "People who complain about having to turn off their cell phone in a plane" "People who complain about having to turn off their cell phone in a movie theater" and 'People who use their cell phones while driving?"
 
2013-06-04 07:42:54 PM  
FTFA: "They treated us like we were terrorists; I've never seen anything like it. I'm not someone to make these kinds of statements," Zehavi said. "I think if it was a group of non-religious kids, the air stewardess wouldn't have dared to kick them off."

There it is... People misbehaving all the way up to the moment that they become the victims. And we're even going to play the religious card, too.

I say: Good for the crew of that airliner. A plane is not a goddamned school bus. If the kids can't comply with FAA regulations, then kick them off the plane. And being from a Jewish religious school doesn't exempt you from the rules.
 
2013-06-04 07:44:43 PM  

Securitywyrm: And, is it me, or is there a large overlap between the groups "People who complain about having to turn off their cell phone in a plane" "People who complain about having to turn off their cell phone in a movie theater" and 'People who use their cell phones while driving?"


Is it me, or is there a large overlap between the groups "People who demand you turn off your cell phone on a plane with no good evidence as to why" "People who tithe 10% of their income so they won't be struck by lightning" and "People who gassed the Jews because THEMS TEH RULEZ?"
 
2013-06-04 07:45:37 PM  

OnlyM3: Ohhhh I see, That makes sense now. They kicked jews off.

The only thing farkers hate more than airline stewardess is jews and gwb.


You can get a discount if you have your race cards printed by the thousand.
 
2013-06-04 07:46:54 PM  
I understand all the frustrated travelers projecting their anger at these kids. I just wanted to say I feel for the kids that actually listened, yet still got kicked off the plane.


/assuming there were some
 
2013-06-04 07:52:37 PM  

umad: Securitywyrm: And, is it me, or is there a large overlap between the groups "People who complain about having to turn off their cell phone in a plane" "People who complain about having to turn off their cell phone in a movie theater" and 'People who use their cell phones while driving?"

Is it me, or is there a large overlap between the groups "People who demand you turn off your cell phone on a plane with no good evidence as to why" "People who tithe 10% of their income so they won't be struck by lightning" and "People who gassed the Jews because THEMS TEH RULEZ?"


If you're responsible for someone's safety, do you have to justify your rules to them?
 
2013-06-04 07:52:41 PM  
The group of Orthodox Jews complained about collective punishment?

How rich.
 
2013-06-04 07:55:23 PM  

Resident Muslim: I understand all the frustrated travelers projecting their anger at these kids. I just wanted to say I feel for the kids that actually listened, yet still got kicked off the plane.


/assuming there were some


Blame the chaperones.  The airline told them that they had to remove the troublesome kids.  The chaperones told them that if they kicked off any, it had to be all of them.  So the airline said, "we don't have a problem with that."

Of course I am paraphrasing what they actually said.
 
2013-06-04 08:00:38 PM  
I'd like to think that maybe they learned a lesson here.  But with their chaperones and school and teachers coddling their poor hurt little feelings, I'm sure they didn't.
 
2013-06-04 08:03:05 PM  
lol all the kids were grounded.
 
2013-06-04 08:06:41 PM  

umad: tripleseven: Do I know for certain that a phone will bring down a plane?

Well I know for certain that a phone will not bring down a plane. -

No, no you don't.

But don't let your GED in aeronautical safety stop you from your snowflakishness, it's not like there are 100 or so other people who could possibly be at risk from your decision.

I will let my engineering degree and understanding of physics determine my thinking on the matter. And nobody is at risk because phones don't run on magic. -
No, they certainly don't run on magig, but if you believe they are incapable of causing interference, then, you may as well use you GED in engineering for TP.
 
2013-06-04 08:08:44 PM  

OgreMagi: Blame the chaperones. The airline told them that they had to remove the troublesome kids. The chaperones told them that if they kicked off any, it had to be all of them. So the airline said, "we don't have a problem with that."

Of course I am paraphrasing what they actually said.


They should/could have just had one chaperone stay w/ the little bastards that got kicked off.
 
2013-06-04 08:10:20 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: OgreMagi: Blame the chaperones. The airline told them that they had to remove the troublesome kids. The chaperones told them that if they kicked off any, it had to be all of them. So the airline said, "we don't have a problem with that."

Of course I am paraphrasing what they actually said.

They should/could have just had one chaperone stay w/ the little bastards that got kicked off.


Perhaps the school should have chosen more intelligent chaperones.
 
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