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(CNN)   Flight Attendant kicks rowdy children off of plane. All 108 of them   (cnn.com) divider line 438
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2013-06-04 03:56:58 PM  
I can't say I'd actually be surprised if the kids here were right. Airlines are  dickheads nowadays, and people can be serious assholes to kids just because they're kids.
 
2013-06-04 03:57:12 PM  

StaleCoffee: Either:

- An entire airline crew engaged in mass discrimination knowing 100+ teenagers with video capable cell phones were their target and felt their disgust and vicious glee would be overlooked by other passengers

or

- 100+ entitled students armed with video capable cell phones behaved like a bunch of rowdy farkheads, got kicked off the plane and withheld their video footage until they can edit it

I dunno, that's a stumper.


Nothing in between?
 
2013-06-04 03:57:19 PM  
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2013-06-04 03:57:36 PM  

Snarfangel: mrmyxolodian: Kicking them off the plane was a solution, but I'm not sure it should have been the final solution.

108 Jews crammed into public transportation, headed for an uncertain destination...

CONNECT THE DOTS, SHEEPLE!


Atlanta macht frei

/imsry
 
2013-06-04 03:57:55 PM  

Kome: I'm very glad the author said "one hundred one" instead of "one hundred and one" as the former is correct when indicating 101 of something, whereas the latter means 100.1 of something.


1/10. Too subtle. This is a thread where people think a cell phone will bring down a plane or blow up a gas station.
 
2013-06-04 03:58:04 PM  

fluffy2097: berylman: Always did wonder about that. Great bluff

They really do it (or did at one point.)  They have paint markings on the ground a know distance apart, then time how long it takes you to get from one to the other.

I'm not sure if it's still legal, but thats how it was done.


I've driven Interstate 5 frequently through the remote parts of the north Central Valley in California, and they measure it overpass to overpass.  Also, they buzz you and squawk through a loudspeaker before sending the CHP to engage.  Usually does the trick.
 
2013-06-04 03:58:16 PM  
"A SECOND LAWSUIT HAS JUST HIT THE SOUTHWEST AIRLINES!"
 
2013-06-04 03:59:03 PM  
if they had bee acting civilized there would be video proof. the fact that no one posted a video shows that they don't want to show what was really going on and that the flight crew was in the right about things.
 
2013-06-04 03:59:57 PM  
vudukungfu

Dirtybird971: He's now 25 and acts no better.

soon


he's here already.
 
2013-06-04 04:00:52 PM  
So Chaperones did not do their JOB...and made it impossible for Flight Attendants to do their JOB. So flight attendants make the only choice they have left =remove passengers.
This is more about following instructions.
These are safety precautions put into place.
However, if you can not follow a simple instruction to turn off all electrical devices and not chitty chater while the flight attendant is doing his/her safety speech-then you need to get off a plane. Has nothing to do with them being Jewish and everything to do with not following instructions.
 
2013-06-04 04:01:10 PM  
So if it was 109 people at $129 a pop they spent $14061

The Airtran B737 they were on has 125 couch class seats, it would have cost them only $2064 more to buy up the whole section or $20.43 more per student per leg

I wonder how much a charter would have cost
 
2013-06-04 04:01:16 PM  
Lawsuit ha these kids are lucky they weren't all arrested and charged with interfering with a flight crew
 
2013-06-04 04:01:19 PM  

Snarfangel: 108 Jews crammed into public transportation, headed for an uncertain destination...

CONNECT THE DOTS, SHEEPLE!


Dude... Not cool...

We Jew only get nervous around trains.
 
2013-06-04 04:01:33 PM  
Here's a test... remove all the names from the article, including the school and airline and the fact that they were Jewish, then have someone read it. Dollars to doughnuts whomever read it would get to the end of the article and say, "they're Jewish, aren't they?"
 
2013-06-04 04:02:04 PM  

Truther: No Tatsuma????


He's on a plane to Atlanta.
 
2013-06-04 04:02:12 PM  
Is there anything more hapless than asking a kid to turn off his phone?
 
2013-06-04 04:02:58 PM  

PsiChick: I can't say I'd actually be surprised if the kids here were right. Airlines are  dickheads nowadays, and people can be serious assholes to kids just because they're kids the mouth-breathing wastes of oxygen that shiat them out can't be bothered to teach them how to behave in public.


FTFY

I have news for you. If everyone you meet is an asshole, that should tell you that you are the asshole.
 
2013-06-04 04:03:28 PM  

ChrisDe: Is there anything more hapless than asking a kid to turn off his phone?


"Stop playing that video game. It's time for Dinner/Homework/Family event"
 
2013-06-04 04:03:52 PM  

MrJesus: People who are unfamiliar with Orthodox NY Jews coming to the defense of their well-earned stereotypes ITT.

Live and/or work in NYC for a couple years first, friends


MrJesus: People who are unfamiliar with Orthodox NY Jews coming to the defense of their well-earned stereotypes ITT.

Live and/or work in NYC for a couple years first, friends.


<smart>
 
2013-06-04 04:04:36 PM  

berylman: Kids today are uncontrollable monsters. Give me shelter.


If you don't get some shelter, are you gonna fade away?
 
2013-06-04 04:04:50 PM  

umad: I have news for you. If everyone you meet is an asshole, that should tell you that you are the asshole.


As an asshole, I'd like to state that even most of the people I meet are pretty nice despite me being an asshole.

It takes a special kind of asshole for everyone you meet to be an asshole.
 
2013-06-04 04:05:30 PM  

PsiChick: I can't say I'd actually be surprised if the kids here were right. Airlines are  dickheads nowadays, and people can be serious assholes to kids just because they're kids.


To be fair, a lot of kids are assholes and deserve to be treated as such.

/don't like kids
//do my best to ignore/avoid them
///but I like to think I'm not an asshole to anyone who doesn't deserve it (and even not then, mostly)
 
2013-06-04 04:05:47 PM  
roughridersfan:
How many other students around him were asked in the meantimE? Probably more than one. He should have taken the hint the first time the flight attendant told one of his classmates to turn off their phone instead of thinking the request didn't apply to him.

I can't hear everything said in the vicinity of 109 quiet people.   You've made some interesting assumptions about the superhuman senses these kids should have.    I don't think that your conclusion is reasonable.   He may have not had any reasonable warning.   Passenger compartment speakers are not always clear, so broadcast messages may not have been understandable.
 
2013-06-04 04:07:00 PM  

umad: Kome: I'm very glad the author said "one hundred one" instead of "one hundred and one" as the former is correct when indicating 101 of something, whereas the latter means 100.1 of something.

1/10. Too subtle. This is a thread where people think a cell phone will bring down a plane or blow up a gas station.


Actually, what I said was "Until they remove the regulation, how farking hard is it to do without your phone for 20 minutes"

Do I know for certain that a phone will bring down a plane?  Nope, I leave decisions like this to people usually much more well versed than me.  You know, like the designers of the plane, or the engineers at the FAA who are responsible for the safety of the plane.

But don't let your GED in aeronautical safety stop you from your snowflakishness, it's not like there are 100 or so other people who could possibly be at risk from your decision.
 
2013-06-04 04:08:39 PM  

fluffy2097: tripleseven: Oh, yeah, and before the internet electrical engineer brigade gets on here to tell me that "it's no big deal" well, I suppose, but lets just say something did happen, would you want to be the assfark who just killed 100 people cause you didn't want to listen?

It's no problem on a brand new aircraft where all the wiring is perfect and properly insulated.

Mythbusters even proved though, that all it takes is the right wire to be touching a bit of aluminum bulkhead to make radio signals cause instruments to glitch out.

It's one of those things that's completely unpredictable.


So it will crash a dreamliner?
 
2013-06-04 04:09:34 PM  

weirdneighbour: Should of kicked them off 35,000 feet up.


And decompress the plane.
 
2013-06-04 04:09:54 PM  

groppet: So it will crash a dreamliner?


It's own battery packs do that quite well without help.
 
2013-06-04 04:11:09 PM  
Aren't there potentially better amusement parks closer to New York than farking Atlanta? Seems like a needless waste of travel time...

/also waste of money, but I won't go there
//this is FARK, so someone else probably will
 
2013-06-04 04:11:14 PM  

bikerbob59: And decompress the plane.


The plane does not care about the lack of air.

Only the humans inside do.

/you'd die of hypoxia pretty quick at 35k feet
//But not really, because of the overhead oxygen masks
 
2013-06-04 04:12:54 PM  

SultanofSchwing: Pray 4 Mojo: I think this is the sequel to that movie.

"Jews on a Plane"

I preferred "Sheikhs on a Plane," though Hollywood panned it and idk why.


Kikes on a Plane?
 
2013-06-04 04:13:48 PM  

gimmegimme: That flight attendant did those people the biggest favor of their lives.  All 108 of them.


Came for LOST reference, leaving satisfied

/that's just farking creepy, is all I have to say
 
2013-06-04 04:14:12 PM  

Killer Cars: Really, CNN?

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Burma Shave
 
2013-06-04 04:14:17 PM  
I heard they only kicked off 107 of the kids because one of the girls hid and they couldn't find her.
 
2013-06-04 04:16:39 PM  
I'm giving this a 99% likely scenario that this was the kids' (or at least a few of them) fault.

I fly 2-3 times a week for work and on multiple occasions, I've witnessed the same flight attendant have to ask someone sitting near me multiple times to shut down a device.  Even then, that person usually waits till the attendant is in their take-off seat and pulls their iPad/laptop right out and continues working or watching movies.

Given the financial implications of running an airline, it'd be ridiculous to let a plane take off with 109 seats empty (especially if it only seats 125 as another poster said).  Kicking someone out has to be a last resort for some really poor behavior.  Kicking off 109 people wouldn't be done without a really compelling airtight reason. There's no question the airline had to have reviewed everything the crew used to justify the decision, and they are standing behind their staff.

Unless there's some really other facts behind this, I'm with the airline here.
 
2013-06-04 04:17:33 PM  
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2013-06-04 04:18:07 PM  
I guarantee there was a standing ovation as the group was escorted out.
 
2013-06-04 04:18:22 PM  

Jument: PsiChick: I can't say I'd actually be surprised if the kids here were right. Airlines are  dickheads nowadays, and people can be serious assholes to kids just because they're kids.

To be fair, a lot of kids are assholes and deserve to be treated as such.

/don't like kids
//do my best to ignore/avoid them
///but I like to think I'm not an asshole to anyone who doesn't deserve it (and even not then, mostly)


Sure. But there's a lot of prejudice at the same time.
 
2013-06-04 04:18:31 PM  

balki1867: Unless there's some really other facts behind this, I'm with the airline here.


Unless there's some really COMPELLING other facts behind this, I'm with the airline here.
 
2013-06-04 04:19:48 PM  

jst3p: If it were possible for a cell phone to bring down a plane they would require that they be checked. Your "what if" is silly.


There are degrees of risk. A cell phone isn't going to bring down a plane by itself, but phones can interfere with nearby electronics. If a citation is needed for that, put a GSM phone next to your computer speakers. You'll hear occasional bursts of interference even if it's not making a call.

I have no problem with the airlines using a "better safe than sorry" policy. Even if there were only a one-in-a-million chance that interference from a phone could contribute to an accident, with the number of people travelling each year it would be an unacceptable risk to allow everyone to use their phones.

RF sometimes behaves in strange ways. There was a story on Slashdot yesterday about a beer fridge interfering with cellular signals in Australia. Considering how many important radio-based systems there are on an airplane (communication, VHF navigation signals, GPS, TCAS, etc.) and how many different types of personal electronics there are in the world, it's a bold statement to claim that there will never be any harmful interference, even from defective devices.
 
2013-06-04 04:23:53 PM  

JesusJuice: Jews crying antisemitism when called out for acting like douchebags?Say it isn't so!


FINALLY! I was wondering where all the anti-semitic Farkers were.

Tom_Slick: BunkoSquad: "Next year at Six Flags!"

I am trying to figure out why the hell a group from an overpriced NY private school planned a senior trip to Atlanta.  I mean Six Flags is OK but for the passed few years they seem to be on the deferred maintenance plan, the aquarium nice but not of interest to most people above the age of 12, white water rafting on the same river where they filmed Deliverance, a little weird considering there are much better rafting opportunities in the Northeast. Atlanta is an airport you pass through going to somewhere good.


This. I live in Atlanta. It's a great place to live (if you live near your work), but you wouldn't want to visit here. They do have an extremely swanky Jewish community center in Dunwoody, but I don't see that as a senior trip draw. And Six Flags is a dump. Has some OK roller coasters, but the rest of it is like going to a rundown county fair.

OTOH, the air fare from New York to Atlanta on Air Tran is REALLY cheap, so that might be a consideration.
 
2013-06-04 04:23:57 PM  
Persnickety:
Try this one on.  Either:

- One or two of the flight crew were having a bad day and overreacted.

or

- 100+ students with chaperones from the Jewish school were all being uncontrollable hellions.

Still stumped?


Well, let's think about that for second. Airlines are fairly sensitive about their departure times. Airports want their gates cleared and their take-off slots used as per planned. Aircrew know that it's not career-enhancing to mess with either. The likelihood of a single member of the flight crew being allowed to cause a 45 minute delay on a whim is pretty close to zero. The likelihood that being in a large group will cause a sizable percentage of teenagers to go from annoying to insufferable? Almost a given. No, I'm not stumped at all. Flight crew as a rule want passengers to sit down, buckle up, stow their carry-ons and be ready for push-back on time.

All of the kids were hellions? No. But if the flight crew had picked out 10 offenders, they would have had to ask for volunteers from among the chaperones, and wouldn't that have made for some lovely wrangling? Nope, kick the group off. It's educational for young people to encounter an authority that doesn't budge - too bad they had to wait until this late in life.
 
2013-06-04 04:24:03 PM  
Isn't there a six flag in New Jersey, or did that close?
 
2013-06-04 04:25:44 PM  

deadspace: i actually posted on CNN's forum and it seems they deleted it.  All i said was the following:

I would like to know if any of the passengers who remained on the plane has made any kind of a statement yet?  I'd really like to hear what the other passengers on the plane felt about the incident.  I have a feeling the airline was not in the wrong.

i really wonder why they deleted my comment...


I posted about the same thing, had someone reply by linking  this comment from a passenger
TLDR:  Kids brought too much crap for overhead baggage area, flight delayed while some had to be checked, during this time kids were non-compliant, antsy, and disruptive.  Captain tells all passengers to calmly deboard, after which the airline told chaperons that a few of the students would not be allowed back on the flight.  Chaperons tell airline they can't just leave kids behind, so kicking a few off would be kicking them all off, airline told them okay then.
 
2013-06-04 04:26:03 PM  
They delayed the flight 45 minutes. Nuff said.

Accusations of antisemitism make the school look like a bunch of dummis
 
2013-06-04 04:26:51 PM  

fluffy2097: StaleCoffee: - 100+ entitled students armed with video capable cell phones behaved like a bunch of rowdy farkheads, got kicked off the plane and withheld their video footage until they can edit it
 

If they were all behaving and obeying the rules, all their phones would be turned off an unable to take video.


Yes, every single one is an angel and had them turned off as they were supposed to. They're magic teenagers and their next stop after Six Flags was Rainbowland, because they had to feed the unicorns.

Even well behaved kids will surreptitiously take a video.
 
2013-06-04 04:27:53 PM  
Arrogant little pricks.   Two weeks ago, there was a full grown adult on my last flight who refused to turn off her phone, even after the flight attendants told everyone to turn off their phones. Some people just don't belong sharing public space with others.
 
2013-06-04 04:28:47 PM  

Animatronik: They delayed the flight 45 minutes. Nuff said.

Accusations of antisemitism make the school look like a bunch of dummis


Unless of course, ya know.   Antisemitism.

45 minutes.   Is the crew required to provide a report to the airport, TSA, or a local authority when kicking passengers off the plane?   That could easily account for 30 minutes.
 
2013-06-04 04:28:51 PM  

Persnickety: StaleCoffee: Either:

- An entire airline crew engaged in mass discrimination knowing 100+ teenagers with video capable cell phones were their target and felt their disgust and vicious glee would be overlooked by other passengers

or

- 100+ entitled students armed with video capable cell phones behaved like a bunch of rowdy farkheads, got kicked off the plane and withheld their video footage until they can edit it

I dunno, that's a stumper.


Try this one on.  Either:

- One or two of the flight crew were having a bad day and overreacted.

or

- 100+ students with chaperones from the Jewish school were all being uncontrollable hellions.

Still stumped?


So because they're from a Jewish school, they're different from other teenagers? Okay.
 
2013-06-04 04:30:11 PM  

Gunny Highway: StaleCoffee: Either:

- An entire airline crew engaged in mass discrimination knowing 100+ teenagers with video capable cell phones were their target and felt their disgust and vicious glee would be overlooked by other passengers

or

- 100+ entitled students armed with video capable cell phones behaved like a bunch of rowdy farkheads, got kicked off the plane and withheld their video footage until they can edit it

I dunno, that's a stumper.

Nothing in between?


I liked the extremes presented in the story. If we can get Tim Curry to play the role of the pilot we have ourselves a summer blockbuster.
 
2013-06-04 04:31:20 PM  

Kanemano: Isn't there a six flag in New Jersey, or did that close?


I was thinking that, it's about an hour from Brooklyn and it's amazing as amusement parks go.
 
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