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2013-06-04 01:46:56 PM  
One hundred one students and eight chaperones = 109
 
2013-06-04 01:50:13 PM  
I think this is the sequel to that movie.

"Jews on a Plane"
 
2013-06-04 01:52:22 PM  
"Wielgus said she would understand if individual students who were not complying had been asked to leave, but she objected to the collective punishment. "

That sounds great, so lets call up the parents and hold the entire flight up for a few hours for them to get there or have 7 people to control 100 students.  Sorry you should have told your students to stop messing around and sit and listen.
 
2013-06-04 01:54:12 PM  
Ok now I feel even less pity.

"They treated us like we were terrorists; I've never seen anything like it. I'm not someone to make these kinds of statements," Zehavi said. "I think if it was a group of non-religious kids, the air stewardess wouldn't have dared to kick them off."
 
2013-06-04 01:56:12 PM  
Air Israel, Please clear the runway!

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2013-06-04 01:56:46 PM  
One hundred one students

Picture of the stewardess:

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2013-06-04 01:57:17 PM  
"Why is this flight different from all other flights?"
 
2013-06-04 01:57:52 PM  
Student Jonathan Zehavi said he felt they were targeted because they are an identifiably Jewish group.

According to Wielgus, some students may have had to be told twice to sit down or turn off their phones, but everyone listened.

"We were more behaved than kids should be," he said.


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2013-06-04 02:01:38 PM  
God I hate teenagers. I can't imagine being stuck on a plane with 108 of them. Someone would definitely be getting kicked off that flight, and better them than me.
 
2013-06-04 02:06:42 PM  
And it's a lovely message for the school to blame the airline, instead of their own rotten students that can't behave like adults for a few damn minutes. If you can't behave on an airplane, you don't belong on one. You don't get a second chance to shut up and sit down and turn off your phone. You do it or get the hell off.
 
2013-06-04 02:09:27 PM  
Heh...I was on a flight a few weeks ago when this douchebag in front of me wouldn't get off his ipad before take off. She asked him nicely a few times before she him the best "I'm going to sound very nice while proceeding to shred you a new asshole over it." talk down I've heard in awhile.
 
2013-06-04 02:10:20 PM  

Tellingthem: Heh...I was on a flight a few weeks ago when this douchebag in front of me wouldn't get off his ipad before take off. She asked him nicely a few times before she him the best "I'm going to sound very nice while proceeding to shred you a new asshole over it." talk down I've heard in awhile.


The stewardess that is.
 
2013-06-04 02:10:50 PM  
That flight attendant did those people the biggest favor of their lives.  All 108 of them.

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2013-06-04 02:16:27 PM  

gimmegimme: That flight attendant did those people the biggest favor of their lives.  All 108 of them.

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Beat me to it.  There should never be 108 of ANYTHING on a plane.
 
2013-06-04 02:17:29 PM  
Good.
 
2013-06-04 02:18:04 PM  
FTA: Another student in the group, Michael Mamiye, said he was one of the first to be kicked off the plane. He said a flight attendant did not give him a chance to turn off his cell phone before asking him to "get off the plane."

It's not the attendants job to threaten you. I'm thinking maybe the first 8 times they asked you to turn it off, and when the captain came back and asked you all, was enough.
 
2013-06-04 02:19:35 PM  
With that many kids, it should be referred to as shoveling snow.
 
2013-06-04 02:21:22 PM  
Ha ha!  You just learned the real world doesn't think you are a precious snowflake.
 
2013-06-04 02:22:42 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: gimmegimme: That flight attendant did those people the biggest favor of their lives.  All 108 of them.

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Beat me to it.  There should never be 108 of ANYTHING on a plane.


I think that's their new slogan.

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108-free since 2004.
 
2013-06-04 02:27:08 PM  
Good, sounds like the little shiats didn't deserve that trip anyway. I just hope the stewardesses don't get into trouble.
 
2013-06-04 02:31:30 PM  

ItHurtsWhenIDoThis: FTA: Another student in the group, Michael Mamiye, said he was one of the first to be kicked off the plane. He said a flight attendant did not give him a chance to turn off his cell phone before asking him to "get off the plane."

It's not the attendants job to threaten you. I'm thinking maybe the first 8 times they asked you to turn it off, and when the captain came back and asked you all, was enough.


You see the stewardess and captain asked the group to turn off their cell phones. However no one asked Michael specifically to shut his off. How was Michael to know that the rules applied to him if he wasn't told?!!?
 
2013-06-04 02:49:53 PM  
"We were more behaved than kids should be," he said.

The experiment has failed.
We must bring corporal punishment back to schools.
 
2013-06-04 02:51:01 PM  
Only once in all my flights have I ever seen the pilot leave the cockpit to tell an asspipe "turn the phone off or you're gone" so I can only imagine the shrieking tube of misery this plane must have been to inspire such a forced exodus.
 
2013-06-04 02:52:20 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: "We were more behaved than kids should be," he said.

The experiment has failed.
We must bring corporal punishment back to schools.


No kidding. Here's a kid explaining away bad behavior because they are kids. If you're mature enough to rationalize your actions this way, you're mature enough to know what's expected of you in society.

I think all these children need a serious beating. Getting kicked off a plane should be the best thing that happens to them this week.
 
2013-06-04 02:52:47 PM  
That's a lot of kosher meals.
 
2013-06-04 02:56:54 PM  

Confabulat: rumpelstiltskin: "We were more behaved than kids should be," he said.

The experiment has failed.
We must bring corporal punishment back to schools.

No kidding. Here's a kid explaining away bad behavior because they are kids. If you're mature enough to rationalize your actions this way, you're mature enough to know what's expected of you in society.

I think all these children need a serious beating. Getting kicked off a plane should be the best thing that happens to them this week.


But these are special kids from a special school. Their family, school, and community with back them no matter how bad their behavior. Privileged perpetual victims beget Privileged perpetual victims.
 
2013-06-04 02:57:13 PM  
They were just upset about having seats in the rear of plane, that's just not kosher
 
2013-06-04 02:58:58 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Only once in all my flights have I ever seen the pilot leave the cockpit to tell an asspipe "turn the phone off or you're gone" so I can only imagine the shrieking tube of misery this plane must have been to inspire such a forced exodus.


LOL
 
2013-06-04 02:59:54 PM  

TNel: Ok now I feel even less pity.

"They treated us like we were terrorists; I've never seen anything like it. I'm not someone to make these kinds of statements," Zehavi said. "I think if it was a group of non-religious kids, the air stewardess wouldn't have dared to kick them off."


They have to play that card. It's the only one they have.
 
2013-06-04 03:00:27 PM  
"We were more behaved than kids should be," he said.

/put them all on the no fly list.
 
2013-06-04 03:00:59 PM  
Despite the length, that article sure does seem like it's only half-finished... as if there's... there's information missing or something.
 
2013-06-04 03:01:05 PM  
In the words of Henry Rollings "Sit the fark down and shut the fark up"
 
2013-06-04 03:01:27 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: We must bring corporal punishment back to schools.


Why not capitol punishment?
 
2013-06-04 03:01:45 PM  
Welcome to Chuck-E-Cheeze Airlines flight 843...
 
2013-06-04 03:02:03 PM  
Good
www.nndb.com
 
2013-06-04 03:02:14 PM  
On a flight recently, I saw the stewardess tell a kid three farking times to shut off his hone for landing.  Each time, he nodded, then continued to ignore her.

Really, it's not hard to be without your phone for 20 minutes.

Oh, yeah, and before the internet electrical engineer brigade gets on here to tell me that "it's no big deal"  well, I suppose, but lets just say something did happen, would you want to be the assfark who just killed 100 people cause you didn't want to listen?
 
2013-06-04 03:02:38 PM  
Really, CNN?

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2013-06-04 03:03:09 PM  
He said a flight attendant did not give him a chance to turn off his cell phone before asking him to "get off the plane."

He's upset because she didn't specifically tell him to turn his phone off? Shut the fark up.
 
2013-06-04 03:04:19 PM  

Confabulat: God I hate teenagers. I can't imagine being stuck on a plane with 108 of them. Someone would definitely be getting kicked off that flight, and better them than me.


Good news for the other passengers, a quiet flight!
 
2013-06-04 03:04:50 PM  
I don't think that kid quite understands how we treat terrorists. It wouldn't involve repeated warnings.

Also, fark the lot of them for hiding behind religion.
 
2013-06-04 03:05:02 PM  

tripleseven: Oh, yeah, and before the internet electrical engineer brigade gets on here to tell me that "it's no big deal" well, I suppose, but lets just say something did happen, would you want to be the assfark who just killed 100 people cause you didn't want to listen?


It's no problem on a brand new aircraft where all the wiring is perfect and properly insulated.

Mythbusters even proved though, that all it takes is the right wire to be touching a bit of aluminum bulkhead to make radio signals cause instruments to glitch out.

It's one of those things that's completely unpredictable.
 
2013-06-04 03:05:23 PM  
*reading article, thinking how cool it is they aren't playing the anti-semetic card*

FTA: Student Jonathan Zehavi said he felt they were targeted because they are an identifiably Jewish group.

Dammit.
 
2013-06-04 03:05:34 PM  
This reminds me of a kid that started college where I work, he walks around telling everyone he's one of God's chosen people and nobody has the right to tell him what to do.  I'm not exaggerating, not even other Jewish people like him.
 
2013-06-04 03:05:59 PM  
I was in the airport recently for an overnight flight, and I saw a group of cheerleaders and their moms walk into the gate area. That was an incredibly terrifying few minutes, but they were headed for a different plane.
 
2013-06-04 03:05:59 PM  
Here's a picture of the pilot
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2013-06-04 03:06:17 PM  
Didn't sit the fark down?  Didn't shut their farking phone the fark off when prompted?

Get the fark off the plane.

+10 points for that air crew.
 
2013-06-04 03:07:01 PM  

Killer Cars: Really, CNN?

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Hey Hey, when did CNN start showing THOSE types of videos?    They should advertise more, might increase page views!
 
2013-06-04 03:07:08 PM  
I doubt if they will sue, it's not like 109 Jewish people are related to any lawyers or anything.
 
2013-06-04 03:07:11 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: *reading article, thinking how cool it is they aren't playing the anti-semetic card*

FTA: Student Jonathan Zehavi said he felt they were targeted because they are an identifiably Jewish group.

Dammit.


technically the anti-religion card. TFA added the Jewish aspect as an identifier it seems but yeah, that was the point where I lost all sympathy
 
2013-06-04 03:07:15 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: That's a lot of kosher meals.


Want to know how it's obvious you don't fly often?
 
2013-06-04 03:07:37 PM  
Stewardess: `THAT'S IT! We're flying this plane to Winnipeg!'

Boys & Goils: `AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!'
 
2013-06-04 03:07:41 PM  

Students and chaperones from the Brooklyn-based school said the flight crew overreacted to the teenagers who were looking forward to visiting Six Flags and rafting, among other activities.

THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE SAT THE fark DOWN AND SHUTTED THE fark UP

 
2013-06-04 03:08:05 PM  

LessO2: TrollingForColumbine: That's a lot of kosher meals.

Want to know how it's obvious you don't fly often?


I do
 
2013-06-04 03:08:32 PM  
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2013-06-04 03:08:42 PM  
Reminds me of the security test from The Hebrew Hammer.
 
2013-06-04 03:08:50 PM  
Meh, no mercy. You delay the takeoff by 5 or 10 minutes I might be more forgiving, but when everyone has to be asked individually to comply with the farking rules, and you've delayed other people's flights by 45 minutes, causing them to miss connections to where they're going, you're just being a bunch of inconsiderate A-holes. Delays like that cost airlines tens of thousands of dollars as other planes end up jamming up in the pattern, waiting at gates, and creating ground traffic logjams. I hope the other people who were inconvenienced sue the school for their trouble.
 
2013-06-04 03:08:52 PM  

LessO2: TrollingForColumbine: That's a lot of kosher meals.

Want to know how it's obvious you don't fly often?


lightenupfrancis.jpg
 
2013-06-04 03:09:01 PM  
So you are telling me there were 101 kids on this plane, most using their cell phones or ipad's, and not one video??
 
2013-06-04 03:09:06 PM  
You'd think the little darlings would be old enough to know that sitting the fark down, putting on seatbelts and turning off all electronic gadgets aren't merely "suggestions".

My sympathy is with the other travelers.
 
2013-06-04 03:09:13 PM  

MadMonk: This reminds me of a kid that started college where I work, he walks around telling everyone he's one of God's chosen people and nobody has the right to tell him what to do.  I'm not exaggerating, not even other Jewish people like him.

Best advice: introduce him to '70 yacht rock music
 
2013-06-04 03:10:06 PM  

tripleseven: On a flight recently, I saw the stewardess tell a kid three farking times to shut off his hone for landing.  Each time, he nodded, then continued to ignore her.

Really, it's not hard to be without your phone for 20 minutes.

Oh, yeah, and before the internet electrical engineer brigade gets on here to tell me that "it's no big deal"  well, I suppose, but lets just say something did happen, would you want to be the assfark who just killed 100 people cause you didn't want to listen?



If it were possible for a cell phone to bring down a plane they would require that they be checked. Your "what if" is silly.
 
2013-06-04 03:10:18 PM  
On the way back from Hawaii a couple weeks ago, we ran into a senior class trip going to London.  They were all normal white folk, though, so they were alllowed to be as noisy and obnoxious as they wanted to,.
 
2013-06-04 03:10:33 PM  
"Next year at Six Flags!"
 
2013-06-04 03:10:48 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: *reading article, thinking how cool it is they aren't playing the anti-semetic card*

FTA: Student Jonathan Zehavi said he felt they were targeted because they are an identifiably Jewish group.

Dammit.


Some people can never accept or admit to others that they were being a douchebag.  It's always the OTHER person and they were doing it because of some imagined reason; they're jealous, they hate that gender of person, they hate <religious group>, they hate people smarter then them, etc etc.
 
2013-06-04 03:11:10 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: I think this is the sequel to that movie.

"Jews on a Plane"


I preferred "Sheikhs on a Plane," though Hollywood panned it and idk why.
 
2013-06-04 03:11:10 PM  

skullkrusher: J. Frank Parnell: *reading article, thinking how cool it is they aren't playing the anti-semetic card*

FTA: Student Jonathan Zehavi said he felt they were targeted because they are an identifiably Jewish group.

Dammit.

technically the anti-religion card. TFA added the Jewish aspect as an identifier it seems but yeah, that was the point where I lost all sympathy


Yeah, that's it. Let's make this a religious thing when it is actually a TURN YOUR farkING CELLPHONE OFF NOW thing.
 
2013-06-04 03:11:23 PM  

ggecko: So you are telling me there were 101 kids on this plane, most using their cell phones or ipad's, and not one video??


Well they aren't going to post any because it would expose them as being dicks.
 
2013-06-04 03:11:52 PM  
Flying out of BWI (well, trying to fly out of BWI) Thursday before last there was a group of asshole kids in our gate making so much noise and acting so rowdy that we could barely hear the airline rep who was trying to rebook our flight (would have missed our connection due to severe weather and didn't want to spend the night in O'Hare). Turns out they were with a large group traveling to Houston and the rest of them, including the chaperones, were all 3 gates away waiting to board. They weren't just rowdy little assholes, they were basically playing tag in front of the counter and screeching like drunken parrots. It took every ounce of patience I had not to strangle them one at a time. I can't imagine actually being on the plane with them.
 
2013-06-04 03:11:55 PM  

what_now: I was in the airport recently for an overnight flight, and I saw a group of cheerleaders and their moms walk into the gate area. That was an incredibly terrifying few minutes, but they were headed for a different plane.


Dear Penthouse;
 
2013-06-04 03:12:10 PM  

jst3p: tripleseven: On a flight recently, I saw the stewardess tell a kid three farking times to shut off his hone for landing.  Each time, he nodded, then continued to ignore her.

Really, it's not hard to be without your phone for 20 minutes.

Oh, yeah, and before the internet electrical engineer brigade gets on here to tell me that "it's no big deal"  well, I suppose, but lets just say something did happen, would you want to be the assfark who just killed 100 people cause you didn't want to listen?


If it were possible for a cell phone to bring down a plane they would require that they be checked. Your "what if" is silly.


Whatever you say, Chaim...

/kidding
 
2013-06-04 03:12:21 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: "We were more behaved than kids should be," he said.

The experiment has failed.
We must bring corporal punishment back to schools.


I'm sorry, Corporal Punishment is busy -- we're going to have to bring in

www.noisetosignal.org
 
2013-06-04 03:12:31 PM  
As someone who flies Southwest and AirTran all the time I can only hope that these little self entitled punks fly another airline from now on.
 
2013-06-04 03:12:32 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Only once in all my flights have I ever seen the pilot leave the cockpit to tell an asspipe "turn the phone off or you're gone" so I can only imagine the shrieking tube of misery this plane must have been to inspire such a forced exodus.


Shrieking tubes of misery would be a great band name.
 
2013-06-04 03:12:58 PM  

Electric_Banana: On the way back from Hawaii a couple weeks ago, we ran into a senior class trip going to London.  They were all normal white folk, though, so they were alllowed to be as noisy and obnoxious as they wanted to,.


ksj.mit.edu
 
2013-06-04 03:13:37 PM  

PunGent: Shrieking tubes of misery would be a great band name.


It's called Nickelback.
 
2013-06-04 03:13:56 PM  

ggecko: So you are telling me there were 101 kids on this plane, most using their cell phones or ipad's, and not one video??


cdn.smosh.com
 
2013-06-04 03:14:06 PM  

PunGent: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Only once in all my flights have I ever seen the pilot leave the cockpit to tell an asspipe "turn the phone off or you're gone" so I can only imagine the shrieking tube of misery this plane must have been to inspire such a forced exodus.

Shrieking tubes of misery would be a great band name.


Or a feminine product...
 
2013-06-04 03:14:09 PM  
Kicking them off the plane was a solution, but I'm not sure it should have been the final solution.
 
2013-06-04 03:14:10 PM  
I bet the stewardess was Jewish too. She just realized with that much concentrated Jewery on one plane, the chance of a spontaneous terrorist incident occurring was rapidly approaching one.
 
2013-06-04 03:14:16 PM  
Jews crying antisemitism when called out for acting like douchebags?Say it isn't so!
 
2013-06-04 03:14:35 PM  
I was thinking "maybe the stewardess overreacted"

then they played the race card, and I'm thinking "these people are just making shiat up"
 
2013-06-04 03:14:48 PM  

jst3p: If it were possible for a cell phone to bring down a plane they would require that they be checked. Your "what if" is silly.


It's not a certainty, just a precaution. You can use your cellphone while pumping gas for years and nothing bad will happen, then one day you die in a fire.
 
2013-06-04 03:15:11 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: "We were more behaved than kids should be," he said.

The experiment has failed.
We must bring corporal punishment back to schools.


I used to be a pain in the ass kid in high school. Got away with a lot up until I pushed the line too far and ended up with the option of 2 days of suspension, or 2 swats. I took the swats.

Got my shiat together pretty quickly after that IIRC.
 
2013-06-04 03:15:29 PM  

JesusJuice: Jews crying antisemitism when called out for acting like douchebags?Say it isn't so!


an anti-semitic post biatching about Jews crying about antisemitism. That was some well constructed dickbaggery right there
 
2013-06-04 03:16:24 PM  
So these lil bastards were breaking two FARs and then are shocked that they get tossed off the plane?
 
2013-06-04 03:16:29 PM  
It would be interesting to see what other passengers thought went down.
 
2013-06-04 03:16:58 PM  

PunGent: what_now: I was in the airport recently for an overnight flight, and I saw a group of cheerleaders and their moms walk into the gate area. That was an incredibly terrifying few minutes, but they were headed for a different plane.

Dear Penthouse;


I remember being in an airport that a group of cheerleaders was flying through.

It was glorious.  Mostly because my eyes were open and my iPod was blasting, so I didn't have to listen to them talk.
 
2013-06-04 03:17:02 PM  

LessO2: PunGent: Shrieking tubes of misery would be a great band name.

It's called Nickelback.


Ha!
 
2013-06-04 03:17:06 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: so I can only imagine the shrieking tube of misery this plane must have been to inspire such a forced exodus.


You shouda seen the last exodus.

Possible reenactment.
s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-06-04 03:17:09 PM  

jst3p: tripleseven: On a flight recently, I saw the stewardess tell a kid three farking times to shut off his hone for landing.  Each time, he nodded, then continued to ignore her.

Really, it's not hard to be without your phone for 20 minutes.

Oh, yeah, and before the internet electrical engineer brigade gets on here to tell me that "it's no big deal"  well, I suppose, but lets just say something did happen, would you want to be the assfark who just killed 100 people cause you didn't want to listen?


If it were possible for a cell phone to bring down a plane they would require that they be checked. Your "what if" is silly.


And it's your snowflake like belief that your desires outweigh a federally mandated rule, that was put in place for good reason.  Lets put it this way, people who likely more well versed in electrical engineering than you have deemed it is unsafe, and they have backed it up a regulation.  Until the regulation is removed, please stop believing your ideas trump the safety of others.
 
2013-06-04 03:17:17 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: the shrieking tube of misery


Hey! That's what my wife calls my penis.

Wait .. that's not a good thing..
 
2013-06-04 03:17:19 PM  

sunbelly: Flying out of BWI (well, trying to fly out of BWI) Thursday before last there was a group of asshole kids in our gate making so much noise and acting so rowdy that we could barely hear the airline rep who was trying to rebook our flight (would have missed our connection due to severe weather and didn't want to spend the night in O'Hare). Turns out they were with a large group traveling to Houston and the rest of them, including the chaperones, were all 3 gates away waiting to board. They weren't just rowdy little assholes, they were basically playing tag in front of the counter and screeching like drunken parrots. It took every ounce of patience I had not to strangle them one at a time. I can't imagine actually being on the plane with them.


The ticket taker at the gate was struggling to make herself heard over the pack of screeching baboons even over the loudspeaker.  Her coworker grabbed the mike and had to yell into it before anyone could hear that it was time to board the plane.
 
2013-06-04 03:18:41 PM  
If I was the pilot and the kids were not listening to the crew to take their seats and buckle up:  www.popularmechanics.com
 
2013-06-04 03:18:44 PM  

skullkrusher: JesusJuice: Jews crying antisemitism when called out for acting like douchebags?Say it isn't so!

an anti-semitic post biatching about Jews crying about antisemitism. That was some well constructed dickbaggery right there


Not every thing disparaging the jews is anti-semitic, Spike Lee.
 
2013-06-04 03:18:45 PM  

mrmyxolodian: Kicking them off the plane was a solution, but I'm not sure it should have been the final solution.


damn thats good
 
2013-06-04 03:19:09 PM  

Jument: It would be interesting to see what other passengers thought went down.


I'm gonna guess they were thrilled to be rid of 100 high schoolers, and won't attribute it to jihad.
 
2013-06-04 03:19:12 PM  

PunGent: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Only once in all my flights have I ever seen the pilot leave the cockpit to tell an asspipe "turn the phone off or you're gone" so I can only imagine the shrieking tube of misery this plane must have been to inspire such a forced exodus.

Shrieking tubes of misery would be a great band name.


"shrieking tube of misery" is what I'm calling my ex from now on.
 
2013-06-04 03:19:13 PM  
We're flying in a Lockheed Eagle Series L-1011. Came off the line twenty months ago. Carries a Sim-5 transponder tracking system. And you're telling me I can still flummox this thing with something I bought at Radio Shack?
 
2013-06-04 03:19:37 PM  
"Bye-bye plane! Bye-bye plane! Bye-bye..."
 
2013-06-04 03:19:53 PM  
"We take this matter seriously and have started our own investigation,"


Ooooh.
Double secret probation.
I'm so scared.
 
2013-06-04 03:20:01 PM  

mama2tnt: PunGent: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Only once in all my flights have I ever seen the pilot leave the cockpit to tell an asspipe "turn the phone off or you're gone" so I can only imagine the shrieking tube of misery this plane must have been to inspire such a forced exodus.

Shrieking tubes of misery would be a great band name.

"shrieking tube of misery" is what I'm calling my ex from now on.


Wait - he's a guy. Does this still work? I was thinking "tube" like half-filled, half-limp balloon....
 
2013-06-04 03:20:06 PM  

tfresh: So these lil bastards were breaking two FARs and then are shocked that they get tossed off the plane?


Shows you how prepared Jewish people are.
 
2013-06-04 03:20:18 PM  
imagine that many people acting like Kyle's cousin Kyle:  constantly complaining about everything, highly sensitive to the dryness of the air, allergic to most meats excluding fish, and penny-pinching in nature. That's alot of BUH-BYE's  but I wouldn't have blamed them.
 
2013-06-04 03:20:23 PM  
I hurd dey wuz stealing the Palistinian's peanuts!

/the ones crowded in the back
 
2013-06-04 03:20:40 PM  
That reminds me, a new Suikoden game made by the original scenario writer would be awesome.
 
2013-06-04 03:20:51 PM  

BunkoSquad: "Next year at Six Flags!"


I am trying to figure out why the hell a group from an overpriced NY private school planned a senior trip to Atlanta.  I mean Six Flags is OK but for the passed few years they seem to be on the deferred maintenance plan, the aquarium nice but not of interest to most people above the age of 12, white water rafting on the same river where they filmed Deliverance, a little weird considering there are much better rafting opportunities in the Northeast. Atlanta is an airport you pass through going to somewhere good.
 
2013-06-04 03:20:58 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Electric_Banana: On the way back from Hawaii a couple weeks ago, we ran into a senior class trip going to London.  They were all normal white folk, though, so they were alllowed to be as noisy and obnoxious as they wanted to,.

[ksj.mit.edu image 400x300]


Could you teach me to be as cool, interesting and as original as you are?
 
2013-06-04 03:21:00 PM  
You played the religion card; your argument is invalid. Also, you're on your SENIOR CLASS TRIP! That means you've graduated high school. You're officially an adult.

/everything they said stinks to high heaven.
 
2013-06-04 03:21:15 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: One hundred one students and eight chaperones = 109


Nobody in this thread seems to care.
 
2013-06-04 03:22:06 PM  
I have never been on a plane with a group of teenagers who were not loud, obnoxious pricks desperate for attention.  This includes when I was with a group of teenagers on a plane.
 
2013-06-04 03:22:07 PM  
Disclaimer:  I don't have kids, nor do I want them.

However, I fail to comprehend why parents now believe that the entire world is essentially their living room, and that their spawn can act any way they damn well please.  Just the other day, was in Target, almost got run over by a kid riding a bike.  The parent was no less than 5 feet behind them, encouraging it.

WTF?

I gotta go, got some clouds to yell at, and I think there are people on my lawn.
 
2013-06-04 03:22:54 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: One hundred one students and eight chaperones = 109


One of them was chosen to stay.
 
2013-06-04 03:23:06 PM  
The gate right after the kids were kicked off.
thatwasabitmental.files.wordpress.com

/Candyman is coming for their asses now.
 
2013-06-04 03:23:46 PM  

Russ1642: The Stealth Hippopotamus: One hundred one students and eight chaperones = 109

Nobody in this thread seems to care.


Hesonarolljustlethimgo.jpg
 
2013-06-04 03:24:19 PM  

tripleseven: On a flight recently, I saw the stewardess tell a kid three farking times to shut off his hone for landing.  Each time, he nodded, then continued to ignore her.

Really, it's not hard to be without your phone for 20 minutes.

Oh, yeah, and before the internet electrical engineer brigade gets on here to tell me that "it's no big deal"  well, I suppose, but lets just say something did happen, would you want to be the assfark who just killed 100 people cause you didn't want to listen?


facepalm.naurunappula.com
 
2013-06-04 03:24:48 PM  

Tom_Slick: BunkoSquad: "Next year at Six Flags!"

I am trying to figure out why the hell a group from an overpriced NY private school planned a senior trip to Atlanta.  I mean Six Flags is OK but for the passed few years they seem to be on the deferred maintenance plan, the aquarium nice but not of interest to most people above the age of 12, white water rafting on the same river where they filmed Deliverance, a little weird considering there are much better rafting opportunities in the Northeast. Atlanta is an airport you pass through going to somewhere good.


They got a deal.
 
2013-06-04 03:25:02 PM  

ggecko: So you are telling me there were 101 kids on this plane, most using their cell phones or ipad's, and not one video??


They were supposed to be turned off at that point. A student posting that would just incriminate themselves. So I guess we'll see it in a few days on Facebook maybe?
 
2013-06-04 03:25:10 PM  

Electric_Banana: sunbelly: Flying out of BWI (well, trying to fly out of BWI) Thursday before last there was a group of asshole kids in our gate making so much noise and acting so rowdy that we could barely hear the airline rep ...

The ticket taker at the gate was struggling to make herself heard over the pack of screeching baboons even over the loudspeaker.  Her coworker grabbed the mike and had to yell into it before anyone could hear that it was time to board the plane.


You got to experience them too? I feel for you if you were on that flight.
 
2013-06-04 03:25:20 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: jst3p: If it were possible for a cell phone to bring down a plane they would require that they be checked. Your "what if" is silly.

It's not a certainty, just a precaution. You can use your cellphone while pumping gas for years and nothing bad will happen, then one day you die in a fire.


I find it kind of funny that your example to support a bullshiat position is another bullshiat position:

http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp
 
2013-06-04 03:26:13 PM  
Any of these folks on the plane?
static.thecia.com.au
 
2013-06-04 03:26:33 PM  

Tom_Slick: BunkoSquad: "Next year at Six Flags!"

I am trying to figure out why the hell a group from an overpriced NY private school planned a senior trip to Atlanta.  I mean Six Flags is OK but for the passed few years they seem to be on the deferred maintenance plan, the aquarium nice but not of interest to most people above the age of 12, white water rafting on the same river where they filmed Deliverance, a little weird considering there are much better rafting opportunities in the Northeast. Atlanta is an airport you pass through going to somewhere good.


It's really too bad.  I wonder how many of them would have been stabbed at Six Flags Over Georgia.
 
2013-06-04 03:26:46 PM  

duffblue: skullkrusher: JesusJuice: Jews crying antisemitism when called out for acting like douchebags?Say it isn't so!

an anti-semitic post biatching about Jews crying about antisemitism. That was some well constructed dickbaggery right there

Not every thing disparaging the jews is anti-semitic, Spike Lee.


that lil article there makes it anti-semitic by definition, Hermann Hess.
 
2013-06-04 03:27:43 PM  

what_now: He said a flight attendant did not give him a chance to turn off his cell phone before asking him to "get off the plane."

He's upset because she didn't specifically tell him to turn his phone off? Shut the fark up.


Worse than that:  She didn't come up to him and give one "last" chance to do what she asked

"You must turn that off right now, or else you will be asked to get off the plane.  And this time I really  really  really  really  really  really  really  really  really really  really  really  really  really  really  mean it.  Swear to God.  right now.  Turn it off.  Seriously.  Now.  Or else."

fark them.  Maybe next time, not so many on one plane - book two.  Easier to control in small numbers
 
2013-06-04 03:28:11 PM  
i actually posted on CNN's forum and it seems they deleted it.  All i said was the following:

I would like to know if any of the passengers who remained on the plane has made any kind of a statement yet?  I'd really like to hear what the other passengers on the plane felt about the incident.  I have a feeling the airline was not in the wrong.

i really wonder why they deleted my comment...
 
2013-06-04 03:28:17 PM  

LessO2: TrollingForColumbine: That's a lot of kosher meals.

Want to know how it's obvious you don't fly often?


Especially Southwest.
 
2013-06-04 03:28:50 PM  
My father is a lawyer!

Mine's an accountant!
 
2013-06-04 03:29:06 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: jst3p: If it were possible for a cell phone to bring down a plane they would require that they be checked. Your "what if" is silly.

It's not a certainty, just a precaution. You can use your cellphone while pumping gas for years and nothing bad will happen, then one day you die in a fire.


That logic tends to lend itself well to a slippery slope fallacy.
 
2013-06-04 03:29:07 PM  
It amazes me how so many people either don't realize or don't give a fark how loud they're being.  I was on a flight out of ATL, and there were a handful of teenage girls traveling with I guess some of their moms.  They were about 6-8 rows behind us.  I was sitting right by one of the engines, and had my earphones in and set to max volume, and I could still hear every word they said, as if they were talking to me directly.  Why do people shout at someone who is right beside them?  Just use a normal farking talking voice.  If they are only 2 feet away from you, your voice doesn't need to travel 30 feet for them to hear you.

We took our son out to a restaurant for the first time when he was just over 2 months old.  We were both nervous about him having an outburst and disturbing people (Don't know why, he's a quiet baby), but we knew we had to bite the bullet sooner or later.  He slept half the time, and spent the rest just calmly looking around.  I realized how foolish I was for worrying about him disturbing someone, when every time I go out to eat, I have to listen to the conversation someone else is having on the other side of the dining room.  From now on, I'm officially not going to give a fark if my baby cries for a minute in a restaurant.  Everyone else is being just as loud, if not worse, and is old enough to know better.
 
2013-06-04 03:29:08 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: "We were more behaved than kids should be," he said.

The experiment has failed.
We must bring corporal punishment back to schools.


Or bring it on the plane. 20 lashes each.
 
2013-06-04 03:29:12 PM  

ggecko: So you are telling me there were 101 kids on this plane, most using their cell phones or ipad's, and not one video??


Why would they do that?  That would show how bad they really were.
 
2013-06-04 03:29:48 PM  

deadspace: i actually posted on CNN's forum and it seems they deleted it.  All i said was the following:

I would like to know if any of the passengers who remained on the plane has made any kind of a statement yet?  I'd really like to hear what the other passengers on the plane felt about the incident.  I have a feeling the airline was not in the wrong.

i really wonder why they deleted my comment...


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-04 03:29:49 PM  
DRTFA-

But I suspect a combination of the following-

Disrespectful brats
Overreaction from airline
No kosher meals
 
2013-06-04 03:30:23 PM  

skullkrusher: duffblue: skullkrusher: JesusJuice: Jews crying antisemitism when called out for acting like douchebags?Say it isn't so!

an anti-semitic post biatching about Jews crying about antisemitism. That was some well constructed dickbaggery right there

Not every thing disparaging the jews is anti-semitic, Spike Lee.

that lil article there makes it anti-semitic by definition, Hermann Hess.


Yeah, it is "zee JEWS!"  Get it right. Sheesh.
 
2013-06-04 03:30:24 PM  

Betep: My father is a lawyer!

Mine's an accountant!


haha, Betep has two dads
 
2013-06-04 03:30:26 PM  

what_now: I was in the airport recently for an overnight flight, and I saw a group of cheerleaders and their moms walk into the gate area. That was an incredibly terrifying few minutes, but they were headed for a different plane.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-04 03:30:52 PM  

Rapmaster2000: It's really too bad. I wonder how many of them would have been stabbed at Six Flags Over Georgia.


Hey now those stabbings happen in the parking lot.

/Six Flags Over Georgia season pass summer daycare program.
 
2013-06-04 03:30:59 PM  

Gunny Highway: skullkrusher: duffblue: skullkrusher: JesusJuice: Jews crying antisemitism when called out for acting like douchebags?Say it isn't so!

an anti-semitic post biatching about Jews crying about antisemitism. That was some well constructed dickbaggery right there

Not every thing disparaging the jews is anti-semitic, Spike Lee.

that lil article there makes it anti-semitic by definition, Hermann Hess.

Yeah, it is "zee JEWS!"  Get it right. Sheesh.


hehe
 
2013-06-04 03:31:02 PM  

litespeed74: DRTFA-

But I suspect a combination of the following-

Disrespectful brats
Overreaction from airline
No kosher meals


Yep.  Everyone involved sucks.
 
2013-06-04 03:31:38 PM  
Religion aside, the mere fact that you have a group of 100-plus kids who can afford to take a plane on a senior trip to go rafting and to Six Flags screams spoiled brats.

AirTran:  Good work.

Kids: Do a farking community service project or maybe help out someone less fortunate than you rather than essentially buying a plane and treating the hired help, who are just trying to do a job for your own good, like crap.
 
2013-06-04 03:31:44 PM  

OHDUDENESS: what_now: I was in the airport recently for an overnight flight, and I saw a group of cheerleaders and their moms walk into the gate area. That was an incredibly terrifying few minutes, but they were headed for a different plane.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x299]


actually, all things considered, that's how you know what_now is NOT gay

/think about it
 
2013-06-04 03:32:12 PM  
i621.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-04 03:33:02 PM  

mama2tnt: mama2tnt: PunGent: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Only once in all my flights have I ever seen the pilot leave the cockpit to tell an asspipe "turn the phone off or you're gone" so I can only imagine the shrieking tube of misery this plane must have been to inspire such a forced exodus.

Shrieking tubes of misery would be a great band name.

"shrieking tube of misery" is what I'm calling my ex from now on.

Wait - he's a guy. Does this still work? I was thinking "tube" like half-filled, half-limp balloon....


Heh, I think it's a pretty good insult for EITHER gender...
 
2013-06-04 03:33:12 PM  

MadMonk: This reminds me of a kid that started college where I work, he walks around telling everyone he's one of God's chosen people and nobody has the right to tell him what to do.  I'm not exaggerating, not even other Jewish people like him.


Being Jewish has vertually nothing to do with the problem here.  Out of 108 anything there's going to be some doofus playing the _____ card.
 
2013-06-04 03:33:20 PM  

BrainyBear: I'm sorry, Corporal Punishment is busy -- we're going to have to bring in



"How old are these kids!? Damnit Venture! I've got a court order!"
 
2013-06-04 03:33:27 PM  
Kids today are uncontrollable monsters. Give me shelter.
 
2013-06-04 03:33:37 PM  

Pfighting Polish: Religion aside, the mere fact that you have a group of 100-plus kids who can afford to take a plane on a senior trip to go rafting and to Six Flags screams spoiled brats.


flying to Atlanta from NY for a rafting and amusement park trip isn't exactly St Tropaz
 
2013-06-04 03:34:04 PM  
Southwest rules. They don't put up with that shiat
 
2013-06-04 03:34:08 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: fark them. Maybe next time, not so many on one plane - book two. Easier to control in small numbers


Honestly I'm surprised that isn't policy to begin with. If that plane goes down you've lost your entire senior class.
 
2013-06-04 03:34:23 PM  

ItHurtsWhenIDoThis: FTA: Another student in the group, Michael Mamiye, said he was one of the first to be kicked off the plane. He said a flight attendant did not give him a chance to turn off his cell phone before asking him to "get off the plane."

It's not the attendants job to threaten you. I'm thinking maybe the first 8 times they asked you to turn it off, and when the captain came back and asked you all, was enough.


I'm going to guess the self-entitled little brat thought he could finish his phone call first.  And anyone who has dealt with a teenager knows that "just a sec" means approximately 34 minutes (give or take a minute).
 
2013-06-04 03:34:36 PM  

OHDUDENESS: what_now: I was in the airport recently for an overnight flight, and I saw a group of cheerleaders and their moms walk into the gate area. That was an incredibly terrifying few minutes, but they were headed for a different plane.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x299]


That would be appropriate if I started talking about how much I WANTED the cheerleaders on my flight, as I am a girl.
 
2013-06-04 03:34:42 PM  

jst3p: tripleseven: On a flight recently, I saw the stewardess tell a kid three farking times to shut off his hone for landing.  Each time, he nodded, then continued to ignore her.

Really, it's not hard to be without your phone for 20 minutes.

Oh, yeah, and before the internet electrical engineer brigade gets on here to tell me that "it's no big deal"  well, I suppose, but lets just say something did happen, would you want to be the assfark who just killed 100 people cause you didn't want to listen?


If it were possible for a cell phone to bring down a plane they would require that they be checked. Your "what if" is silly.


Then the kids learned a valuable lesson: even if you think rules and laws are silly, you still need to follow them or there are consequences.

If nothing else, the rule means other passengers are spared from listening to one side of an asinine phone conversation for an extra 5 minutes and for that it's worth it. If they need to use an excuse about radio signals and guidance systems to shut people up, that's fine.
 
2013-06-04 03:34:55 PM  

Kyosuke: TNel: Ok now I feel even less pity.

"They treated us like we were terrorists; I've never seen anything like it. I'm not someone to make these kinds of statements," Zehavi said. "I think if it was a group of non-religious kids, the air stewardess wouldn't have dared to kick them off."

They have to play that card. It's the only one they have.


What right does a woman have telling them what to do anyway?
 
2013-06-04 03:35:20 PM  
Should have turned it off as soon as they closed the doors. The chaperones should have known better that this is the rule for all flights and not just stupidly stood by until they were told to turn them off multiple times.

There will be a lot of lawyers to fight. Airline will probably settle.
 
2013-06-04 03:35:26 PM  

deadspace: i actually posted on CNN's forum and it seems they deleted it.  All i said was the following:

I would like to know if any of the passengers who remained on the plane has made any kind of a statement yet?  I'd really like to hear what the other passengers on the plane felt about the incident.  I have a feeling the airline was not in the wrong.

i really wonder why they deleted my comment...


You....ASKED A QUESTION!!!
 
2013-06-04 03:35:28 PM  

tripleseven: Oh, yeah, and before the internet electrical engineer brigade gets on here to tell me that "it's no big deal" well, I suppose, but lets just say something did happen, would you want to be the assfark who just killed 100 people cause you didn't want to listen?


This is why I am a member of every religion, because even though there is no proof, any of them might be right. It is also why I do what my horroscope tells me, and why I believe absolutely everything I read on the internet. Better safe than sorry!

It is nice to meet a fellow idiot on the internet. We should get together and do idiot things.
 
2013-06-04 03:35:59 PM  

skullkrusher: deadspace: i actually posted on CNN's forum and it seems they deleted it.  All i said was the following:

I would like to know if any of the passengers who remained on the plane has made any kind of a statement yet?  I'd really like to hear what the other passengers on the plane felt about the incident.  I have a feeling the airline was not in the wrong.

i really wonder why they deleted my comment...

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 183x275]


Hm... if you think so...
 
2013-06-04 03:36:04 PM  

mrmyxolodian: Kicking them off the plane was a solution, but I'm not sure it should have been the final solution.


Groooan.
 
2013-06-04 03:36:09 PM  
Back in the day, most Rabbis were bright enough to know better than trying to defend actions of spoiled crotchfruit.
There is no winning position, as usual, for these Jews.
And, as usual, it was self imposed.

/don't start, all "religion", each and every stinking sociopathic one of them, gets the same snark
 
2013-06-04 03:36:22 PM  

skullkrusher: OHDUDENESS: what_now: I was in the airport recently for an overnight flight, and I saw a group of cheerleaders and their moms walk into the gate area. That was an incredibly terrifying few minutes, but they were headed for a different plane.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x299]

actually, all things considered, that's how you know what_now is NOT gay

/think about it


Well done, sir, well done.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-06-04 03:36:35 PM  

deadspace: i actually posted on CNN's forum and it seems they deleted it.  All i said was the following:

I would like to know if any of the passengers who remained on the plane has made any kind of a statement yet?  I'd really like to hear what the other passengers on the plane felt about the incident.  I have a feeling the airline was not in the wrong.

i really wonder why they deleted my comment...


Because it didn't have the words "libtard" "obama" or "Teabagger" in the post.
 
2013-06-04 03:36:35 PM  

deadspace: skullkrusher: deadspace: i actually posted on CNN's forum and it seems they deleted it.  All i said was the following:

I would like to know if any of the passengers who remained on the plane has made any kind of a statement yet?  I'd really like to hear what the other passengers on the plane felt about the incident.  I have a feeling the airline was not in the wrong.

i really wonder why they deleted my comment...

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 183x275]

Hm... if you think so...


No, I don't. Seemed to be the direction you were heading, however.
 
2013-06-04 03:36:58 PM  

insano: Then the kids learned a valuable lesson: even if you think rules and laws are silly, you still need to follow them or there are consequences.


media.fakeposters.com
/hot like an attack chopper.
 
2013-06-04 03:38:58 PM  

fluffy2097: i/hot like an attack chopper.
A

lways did wonder about that. Great bluff
 
2013-06-04 03:40:10 PM  

skullkrusher: deadspace: skullkrusher: deadspace: i actually posted on CNN's forum and it seems they deleted it.  All i said was the following:

I would like to know if any of the passengers who remained on the plane has made any kind of a statement yet?  I'd really like to hear what the other passengers on the plane felt about the incident.  I have a feeling the airline was not in the wrong.

i really wonder why they deleted my comment...

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 183x275]

Hm... if you think so...

No, I don't. Seemed to be the direction you were heading, however.


again, if you think so.  All i did was pose the question - sounds like you jump to the same conclusions as the would-be passengers do.
 
2013-06-04 03:40:11 PM  

what_now: OHDUDENESS: what_now: I was in the airport recently for an overnight flight, and I saw a group of cheerleaders and their moms walk into the gate area. That was an incredibly terrifying few minutes, but they were headed for a different plane.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x299]

That would be inappropriate if I started talking about how much I WANTED the cheerleaders on my flight, as I am a girl.


/Giggity
 
2013-06-04 03:41:22 PM  

fluffy2097: insano: Then the kids learned a valuable lesson: even if you think rules and laws are silly, you still need to follow them or there are consequences.

[media.fakeposters.com image 600x480]
/hot like an attack chopper.


I've always wanted to see that happen.  Some dickbag breaking every traffic law known to man with no cops around when behind the next hill, Mr. Chopper surfaces.  The driver slows down, but it's too late, missiles are locked, guns already blazing towards Dr. Dickbag.  In a flash, the bullets hit the car just as the missiles vaporize the car and knock its existence from the road surface.  The crowd goes wild.
 
2013-06-04 03:41:23 PM  

what_now: That would be appropriate if I started talking about how much I WANTED the cheerleaders on my flight, as I am a girl.


I see: You had your hatchet with you.
 
2013-06-04 03:41:44 PM  
From another article:

 Here's an explanation from Southwest spokesman Brad Hawkins to us:
"Our crew, responsible for the overall safety of AirTran flight 345 from New York LaGuardia to Atlanta on Monday, had a group of non-compliant passengers leave the aircraft before departing the gate.
"Reports from flight attendants and other customers confirm some passengers in the group would not sit down in their seats and some were using their mobile devices. Both are violations of federal air regulations, as well as our policies.
"The crew, led by the captain, asked several times that the passengers comply with regulations. The issue ultimately delayed the flight's departure to Atlanta. All members of the group were accommodated on other flights."
The airline denied accusations that the students were targeted because they were Orthodox Jews or that airline employees acted too hastily to boot them off, as some of those kicked off have alleged.
"They treated us like we were terrorists," Jonathan Zehavi told CNN. "I think if it was a group of non-religious kids,  the air stewardess wouldn't have dared to kick them off."
(We hope none in the group called the flight attendants "stewardesses" on board the flight.)
 
2013-06-04 03:42:17 PM  
Maybe they should have taken the train.
 
2013-06-04 03:42:54 PM  

jst3p: I find it kind of funny that your example to support a bullshiat position is another bullshiat position:


They still have the no cell phone warnings at the gas stations around here, and they can cause static, which that article admits is a threat. It's one of those things you can't count on happening, so it's hard to quantify, but people try to be safe anyway.

But you're more than welcome to not take such precautions. Be sure to argue with the flight staff about it, too.
 
2013-06-04 03:44:19 PM  
People who are unfamiliar with Orthodox NY Jews coming to the defense of their well-earned stereotypes ITT.

Live and/or work in NYC for a couple years first, friends.
 
2013-06-04 03:44:43 PM  
Sounds like some chaperones weren't doing their farking jobs.
 
2013-06-04 03:46:21 PM  

MadMonk: This reminds me of a kid that started college where I work, he walks around telling everyone he's one of God's chosen people and nobody has the right to tell him what to do. I'm not exaggerating, not even other Jewish people like him.


I work for Hasids. One day one of the owners brought in one of his 14 children who is about 12-14 years old. IAC, he came around the corner at the same time as one of the top guys here (poly sales office), they bumped into each other. The guy here said "excuse me" the little boy said "you better be nicer to me and get out of my way, I'm going to own this place one day" or something to that effect. He's now 25 and acts no better.
 
gja
2013-06-04 03:46:26 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: I think this is the sequel to that movie.

"Jews on a Plane"


"I am sick and tired of all these muthfarkin students on this muthfarkin plane"
t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-04 03:46:58 PM  

deadspace: skullkrusher: deadspace: skullkrusher: deadspace: i actually posted on CNN's forum and it seems they deleted it.  All i said was the following:

I would like to know if any of the passengers who remained on the plane has made any kind of a statement yet?  I'd really like to hear what the other passengers on the plane felt about the incident.  I have a feeling the airline was not in the wrong.

i really wonder why they deleted my comment...

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 183x275]

Hm... if you think so...

No, I don't. Seemed to be the direction you were heading, however.

again, if you think so.   All i did was pose the question - sounds like you jump to the same conclusions as the would-be passengers do.


ok Glenn
 
2013-06-04 03:46:58 PM  

skullkrusher: LessO2: TrollingForColumbine: That's a lot of kosher meals.

Want to know how it's obvious you don't fly often?

I do


Meals? What's that?
 
2013-06-04 03:47:18 PM  
"I think if it was a group of non-religious kids, the air stewardess wouldn't have dared to kick them off."

Congratulations Christians, you're not the only religion who can pretend to be victims.
 
2013-06-04 03:47:23 PM  
"Chatty." <--that's what I saw a pediatrician put in some asshole teenager's chart so she would be reminded in the future that she's dealing with a little turd.

/True story
 
2013-06-04 03:48:37 PM  

Madbassist1: skullkrusher: LessO2: TrollingForColumbine: That's a lot of kosher meals.

Want to know how it's obvious you don't fly often?

I do

Meals? What's that?


ooooh, I get it
 
2013-06-04 03:48:56 PM  
I call this one a draw. I hate flying, I'm a big dude that smokes so the whole flying thing is as close to spending a day in prison as i care to get. However I do hate children that aren't mine. Not sure which way to tip the scales
 
2013-06-04 03:49:04 PM  
Either:

- An entire airline crew engaged in mass discrimination knowing 100+ teenagers with video capable cell phones were their target and felt their disgust and vicious glee would be overlooked by other passengers

or

- 100+ entitled students armed with video capable cell phones behaved like a bunch of rowdy farkheads, got kicked off the plane and withheld their video footage until they can edit it

I dunno, that's a stumper.
 
2013-06-04 03:49:19 PM  

Kyosuke: Tom_Slick: BunkoSquad: "Next year at Six Flags!"

I am trying to figure out why the hell a group from an overpriced NY private school planned a senior trip to Atlanta.  I mean Six Flags is OK but for the passed few years they seem to be on the deferred maintenance plan, the aquarium nice but not of interest to most people above the age of 12, white water rafting on the same river where they filmed Deliverance, a little weird considering there are much better rafting opportunities in the Northeast. Atlanta is an airport you pass through going to somewhere good.

They got a deal.


Who would pay full retail for such a thing?
 
2013-06-04 03:49:31 PM  

berylman: Always did wonder about that. Great bluff


They really do it (or did at one point.)  They have paint markings on the ground a know distance apart, then time how long it takes you to get from one to the other.

I'm not sure if it's still legal, but thats how it was done.
 
2013-06-04 03:49:41 PM  

Deep Contact: rumpelstiltskin: "We were more behaved than kids should be," he said.

The experiment has failed.
We must bring corporal punishment back to schools.

Or bring it on the plane. 20 lashes each.


Screw that. Bring back keel hauling.
 
2013-06-04 03:49:48 PM  

Dirtybird971: He's now 25 and acts no better.


soon
 
2013-06-04 03:50:24 PM  
Should of kicked them off 35,000 feet up.
 
2013-06-04 03:51:01 PM  
I'm gonna go out on a limb and speculate that more than a couple of these kids' parents might be lawyers.  I smell lawsuit.
 
2013-06-04 03:51:09 PM  
It's the little things that make me smile. For instance, I'm very glad the author said "one hundred one" instead of "one hundred and one" as the former is correct when indicating 101 of something, whereas the latter means 100.1 of something.
 
2013-06-04 03:51:26 PM  
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-06-04 03:51:54 PM  
Also (I said this in another thread about this) Airtran attendents are coonts. They'll kick you off for looking at them wrong. I was threatened by an attendant for telling my seatmate that the reason the plane was doing maintenance on the tarmac with us onboard instead of at the gate before we boarded was so they could protect their "on time departure" numbers. The stewardess got up, came back to my seat in (business class) and told me in a no-nonsense voice that I needed to settle down. Someone behind me said "he got in trouble for telling the truth"

That is being "disruptive" to those pricks and they WILL kick you off for less.
 
2013-06-04 03:52:50 PM  

StaleCoffee: - 100+ entitled students armed with video capable cell phones behaved like a bunch of rowdy farkheads, got kicked off the plane and withheld their video footage until they can edit it

 

If they were all behaving and obeying the rules, all their phones would be turned off an unable to take video.
 
2013-06-04 03:53:01 PM  
True heroes. Rock on, awesome flight workers.
 
2013-06-04 03:53:14 PM  
Even if it was a school for the deaf, 101 students on a plane would be way too loud for my taste.
 
2013-06-04 03:53:33 PM  

Madbassist1: That is being "disruptive" to those pricks and they WILL kick you off for less.


The truth is always disruptive.
 
2013-06-04 03:53:50 PM  

Drunk and Bitter Jesus: Screw that. Bring back keel hauling.


But planes don't have keels.
 
2013-06-04 03:53:51 PM  
No Tatsuma????
 
2013-06-04 03:55:54 PM  

StaleCoffee: Either:

- An entire airline crew engaged in mass discrimination knowing 100+ teenagers with video capable cell phones were their target and felt their disgust and vicious glee would be overlooked by other passengers

or

- 100+ entitled students armed with video capable cell phones behaved like a bunch of rowdy farkheads, got kicked off the plane and withheld their video footage until they can edit it

I dunno, that's a stumper.



Try this one on.  Either:

- One or two of the flight crew were having a bad day and overreacted.

or

- 100+ students with chaperones from the Jewish school were all being uncontrollable hellions.

Still stumped?
 
2013-06-04 03:56:24 PM  

mrmyxolodian: Kicking them off the plane was a solution, but I'm not sure it should have been the final solution.


108 Jews crammed into public transportation, headed for an uncertain destination...

CONNECT THE DOTS, SHEEPLE!
 
2013-06-04 03:56:47 PM  
FTA: Another student in the group, Michael Mamiye, said he was one of the first to be kicked off the plane. He said a flight attendant did not give him a chance to turn off his cell phone before asking him to "get off the plane."

How many other students around him were asked in the meantim? Probably more than one. He should have taken the hint the first time the flight attendant told one of his classmates to turn off their phone instead of thinking the request didn't apply to him.
 
2013-06-04 03:56:57 PM  

skullkrusher: deadspace: skullkrusher: deadspace: skullkrusher: deadspace: i actually posted on CNN's forum and it seems they deleted it.  All i said was the following:

I would like to know if any of the passengers who remained on the plane has made any kind of a statement yet?  I'd really like to hear what the other passengers on the plane felt about the incident.  I have a feeling the airline was not in the wrong.

i really wonder why they deleted my comment...

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Hm... if you think so...

No, I don't. Seemed to be the direction you were heading, however.

again, if you think so.   All i did was pose the question - sounds like you jump to the same conclusions as the would-be passengers do.

ok Glenn


images4.wikia.nocookie.net

Thanks!  how'd you know?

but seriously, to imply that asking a question benignly written, looking for no more than an objective view into the incident is in any way improper is utterly ridiculous.
 
2013-06-04 03:56:58 PM  
I can't say I'd actually be surprised if the kids here were right. Airlines are  dickheads nowadays, and people can be serious assholes to kids just because they're kids.
 
2013-06-04 03:57:12 PM  

StaleCoffee: Either:

- An entire airline crew engaged in mass discrimination knowing 100+ teenagers with video capable cell phones were their target and felt their disgust and vicious glee would be overlooked by other passengers

or

- 100+ entitled students armed with video capable cell phones behaved like a bunch of rowdy farkheads, got kicked off the plane and withheld their video footage until they can edit it

I dunno, that's a stumper.


Nothing in between?
 
2013-06-04 03:57:19 PM  
img.pandawhale.com
 
2013-06-04 03:57:36 PM  

Snarfangel: mrmyxolodian: Kicking them off the plane was a solution, but I'm not sure it should have been the final solution.

108 Jews crammed into public transportation, headed for an uncertain destination...

CONNECT THE DOTS, SHEEPLE!


Atlanta macht frei

/imsry
 
2013-06-04 03:57:55 PM  

Kome: I'm very glad the author said "one hundred one" instead of "one hundred and one" as the former is correct when indicating 101 of something, whereas the latter means 100.1 of something.


1/10. Too subtle. This is a thread where people think a cell phone will bring down a plane or blow up a gas station.
 
2013-06-04 03:58:04 PM  

fluffy2097: berylman: Always did wonder about that. Great bluff

They really do it (or did at one point.)  They have paint markings on the ground a know distance apart, then time how long it takes you to get from one to the other.

I'm not sure if it's still legal, but thats how it was done.


I've driven Interstate 5 frequently through the remote parts of the north Central Valley in California, and they measure it overpass to overpass.  Also, they buzz you and squawk through a loudspeaker before sending the CHP to engage.  Usually does the trick.
 
2013-06-04 03:58:16 PM  
"A SECOND LAWSUIT HAS JUST HIT THE SOUTHWEST AIRLINES!"
 
2013-06-04 03:59:03 PM  
if they had bee acting civilized there would be video proof. the fact that no one posted a video shows that they don't want to show what was really going on and that the flight crew was in the right about things.
 
2013-06-04 03:59:57 PM  
vudukungfu

Dirtybird971: He's now 25 and acts no better.

soon


he's here already.
 
2013-06-04 04:00:52 PM  
So Chaperones did not do their JOB...and made it impossible for Flight Attendants to do their JOB. So flight attendants make the only choice they have left =remove passengers.
This is more about following instructions.
These are safety precautions put into place.
However, if you can not follow a simple instruction to turn off all electrical devices and not chitty chater while the flight attendant is doing his/her safety speech-then you need to get off a plane. Has nothing to do with them being Jewish and everything to do with not following instructions.
 
2013-06-04 04:01:10 PM  
So if it was 109 people at $129 a pop they spent $14061

The Airtran B737 they were on has 125 couch class seats, it would have cost them only $2064 more to buy up the whole section or $20.43 more per student per leg

I wonder how much a charter would have cost
 
2013-06-04 04:01:16 PM  
Lawsuit ha these kids are lucky they weren't all arrested and charged with interfering with a flight crew
 
2013-06-04 04:01:19 PM  

Snarfangel: 108 Jews crammed into public transportation, headed for an uncertain destination...

CONNECT THE DOTS, SHEEPLE!


Dude... Not cool...

We Jew only get nervous around trains.
 
2013-06-04 04:01:33 PM  
Here's a test... remove all the names from the article, including the school and airline and the fact that they were Jewish, then have someone read it. Dollars to doughnuts whomever read it would get to the end of the article and say, "they're Jewish, aren't they?"
 
2013-06-04 04:02:04 PM  

Truther: No Tatsuma????


He's on a plane to Atlanta.
 
2013-06-04 04:02:12 PM  
Is there anything more hapless than asking a kid to turn off his phone?
 
2013-06-04 04:02:58 PM  

PsiChick: I can't say I'd actually be surprised if the kids here were right. Airlines are  dickheads nowadays, and people can be serious assholes to kids just because they're kids the mouth-breathing wastes of oxygen that shiat them out can't be bothered to teach them how to behave in public.


FTFY

I have news for you. If everyone you meet is an asshole, that should tell you that you are the asshole.
 
2013-06-04 04:03:28 PM  

ChrisDe: Is there anything more hapless than asking a kid to turn off his phone?


"Stop playing that video game. It's time for Dinner/Homework/Family event"
 
2013-06-04 04:03:52 PM  

MrJesus: People who are unfamiliar with Orthodox NY Jews coming to the defense of their well-earned stereotypes ITT.

Live and/or work in NYC for a couple years first, friends


MrJesus: People who are unfamiliar with Orthodox NY Jews coming to the defense of their well-earned stereotypes ITT.

Live and/or work in NYC for a couple years first, friends.


<smart>
 
2013-06-04 04:04:36 PM  

berylman: Kids today are uncontrollable monsters. Give me shelter.


If you don't get some shelter, are you gonna fade away?
 
2013-06-04 04:04:50 PM  

umad: I have news for you. If everyone you meet is an asshole, that should tell you that you are the asshole.


As an asshole, I'd like to state that even most of the people I meet are pretty nice despite me being an asshole.

It takes a special kind of asshole for everyone you meet to be an asshole.
 
2013-06-04 04:05:30 PM  

PsiChick: I can't say I'd actually be surprised if the kids here were right. Airlines are  dickheads nowadays, and people can be serious assholes to kids just because they're kids.


To be fair, a lot of kids are assholes and deserve to be treated as such.

/don't like kids
//do my best to ignore/avoid them
///but I like to think I'm not an asshole to anyone who doesn't deserve it (and even not then, mostly)
 
2013-06-04 04:05:47 PM  
roughridersfan:
How many other students around him were asked in the meantimE? Probably more than one. He should have taken the hint the first time the flight attendant told one of his classmates to turn off their phone instead of thinking the request didn't apply to him.

I can't hear everything said in the vicinity of 109 quiet people.   You've made some interesting assumptions about the superhuman senses these kids should have.    I don't think that your conclusion is reasonable.   He may have not had any reasonable warning.   Passenger compartment speakers are not always clear, so broadcast messages may not have been understandable.
 
2013-06-04 04:07:00 PM  

umad: Kome: I'm very glad the author said "one hundred one" instead of "one hundred and one" as the former is correct when indicating 101 of something, whereas the latter means 100.1 of something.

1/10. Too subtle. This is a thread where people think a cell phone will bring down a plane or blow up a gas station.


Actually, what I said was "Until they remove the regulation, how farking hard is it to do without your phone for 20 minutes"

Do I know for certain that a phone will bring down a plane?  Nope, I leave decisions like this to people usually much more well versed than me.  You know, like the designers of the plane, or the engineers at the FAA who are responsible for the safety of the plane.

But don't let your GED in aeronautical safety stop you from your snowflakishness, it's not like there are 100 or so other people who could possibly be at risk from your decision.
 
2013-06-04 04:08:39 PM  

fluffy2097: tripleseven: Oh, yeah, and before the internet electrical engineer brigade gets on here to tell me that "it's no big deal" well, I suppose, but lets just say something did happen, would you want to be the assfark who just killed 100 people cause you didn't want to listen?

It's no problem on a brand new aircraft where all the wiring is perfect and properly insulated.

Mythbusters even proved though, that all it takes is the right wire to be touching a bit of aluminum bulkhead to make radio signals cause instruments to glitch out.

It's one of those things that's completely unpredictable.


So it will crash a dreamliner?
 
2013-06-04 04:09:34 PM  

weirdneighbour: Should of kicked them off 35,000 feet up.


And decompress the plane.
 
2013-06-04 04:09:54 PM  

groppet: So it will crash a dreamliner?


It's own battery packs do that quite well without help.
 
2013-06-04 04:11:09 PM  
Aren't there potentially better amusement parks closer to New York than farking Atlanta? Seems like a needless waste of travel time...

/also waste of money, but I won't go there
//this is FARK, so someone else probably will
 
2013-06-04 04:11:14 PM  

bikerbob59: And decompress the plane.


The plane does not care about the lack of air.

Only the humans inside do.

/you'd die of hypoxia pretty quick at 35k feet
//But not really, because of the overhead oxygen masks
 
2013-06-04 04:12:54 PM  

SultanofSchwing: Pray 4 Mojo: I think this is the sequel to that movie.

"Jews on a Plane"

I preferred "Sheikhs on a Plane," though Hollywood panned it and idk why.


Kikes on a Plane?
 
2013-06-04 04:13:48 PM  

gimmegimme: That flight attendant did those people the biggest favor of their lives.  All 108 of them.


Came for LOST reference, leaving satisfied

/that's just farking creepy, is all I have to say
 
2013-06-04 04:14:12 PM  

Killer Cars: Really, CNN?

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Oral Sex
Deacon Jones
Insanity Plea
NBA Finals
Burma Shave
 
2013-06-04 04:14:17 PM  
I heard they only kicked off 107 of the kids because one of the girls hid and they couldn't find her.
 
2013-06-04 04:16:39 PM  
I'm giving this a 99% likely scenario that this was the kids' (or at least a few of them) fault.

I fly 2-3 times a week for work and on multiple occasions, I've witnessed the same flight attendant have to ask someone sitting near me multiple times to shut down a device.  Even then, that person usually waits till the attendant is in their take-off seat and pulls their iPad/laptop right out and continues working or watching movies.

Given the financial implications of running an airline, it'd be ridiculous to let a plane take off with 109 seats empty (especially if it only seats 125 as another poster said).  Kicking someone out has to be a last resort for some really poor behavior.  Kicking off 109 people wouldn't be done without a really compelling airtight reason. There's no question the airline had to have reviewed everything the crew used to justify the decision, and they are standing behind their staff.

Unless there's some really other facts behind this, I'm with the airline here.
 
2013-06-04 04:17:33 PM  
ivy.aholic.us
 
2013-06-04 04:18:07 PM  
I guarantee there was a standing ovation as the group was escorted out.
 
2013-06-04 04:18:22 PM  

Jument: PsiChick: I can't say I'd actually be surprised if the kids here were right. Airlines are  dickheads nowadays, and people can be serious assholes to kids just because they're kids.

To be fair, a lot of kids are assholes and deserve to be treated as such.

/don't like kids
//do my best to ignore/avoid them
///but I like to think I'm not an asshole to anyone who doesn't deserve it (and even not then, mostly)


Sure. But there's a lot of prejudice at the same time.
 
2013-06-04 04:18:31 PM  

balki1867: Unless there's some really other facts behind this, I'm with the airline here.


Unless there's some really COMPELLING other facts behind this, I'm with the airline here.
 
2013-06-04 04:19:48 PM  

jst3p: If it were possible for a cell phone to bring down a plane they would require that they be checked. Your "what if" is silly.


There are degrees of risk. A cell phone isn't going to bring down a plane by itself, but phones can interfere with nearby electronics. If a citation is needed for that, put a GSM phone next to your computer speakers. You'll hear occasional bursts of interference even if it's not making a call.

I have no problem with the airlines using a "better safe than sorry" policy. Even if there were only a one-in-a-million chance that interference from a phone could contribute to an accident, with the number of people travelling each year it would be an unacceptable risk to allow everyone to use their phones.

RF sometimes behaves in strange ways. There was a story on Slashdot yesterday about a beer fridge interfering with cellular signals in Australia. Considering how many important radio-based systems there are on an airplane (communication, VHF navigation signals, GPS, TCAS, etc.) and how many different types of personal electronics there are in the world, it's a bold statement to claim that there will never be any harmful interference, even from defective devices.
 
2013-06-04 04:23:53 PM  

JesusJuice: Jews crying antisemitism when called out for acting like douchebags?Say it isn't so!


FINALLY! I was wondering where all the anti-semitic Farkers were.

Tom_Slick: BunkoSquad: "Next year at Six Flags!"

I am trying to figure out why the hell a group from an overpriced NY private school planned a senior trip to Atlanta.  I mean Six Flags is OK but for the passed few years they seem to be on the deferred maintenance plan, the aquarium nice but not of interest to most people above the age of 12, white water rafting on the same river where they filmed Deliverance, a little weird considering there are much better rafting opportunities in the Northeast. Atlanta is an airport you pass through going to somewhere good.


This. I live in Atlanta. It's a great place to live (if you live near your work), but you wouldn't want to visit here. They do have an extremely swanky Jewish community center in Dunwoody, but I don't see that as a senior trip draw. And Six Flags is a dump. Has some OK roller coasters, but the rest of it is like going to a rundown county fair.

OTOH, the air fare from New York to Atlanta on Air Tran is REALLY cheap, so that might be a consideration.
 
2013-06-04 04:23:57 PM  
Persnickety:
Try this one on.  Either:

- One or two of the flight crew were having a bad day and overreacted.

or

- 100+ students with chaperones from the Jewish school were all being uncontrollable hellions.

Still stumped?


Well, let's think about that for second. Airlines are fairly sensitive about their departure times. Airports want their gates cleared and their take-off slots used as per planned. Aircrew know that it's not career-enhancing to mess with either. The likelihood of a single member of the flight crew being allowed to cause a 45 minute delay on a whim is pretty close to zero. The likelihood that being in a large group will cause a sizable percentage of teenagers to go from annoying to insufferable? Almost a given. No, I'm not stumped at all. Flight crew as a rule want passengers to sit down, buckle up, stow their carry-ons and be ready for push-back on time.

All of the kids were hellions? No. But if the flight crew had picked out 10 offenders, they would have had to ask for volunteers from among the chaperones, and wouldn't that have made for some lovely wrangling? Nope, kick the group off. It's educational for young people to encounter an authority that doesn't budge - too bad they had to wait until this late in life.
 
2013-06-04 04:24:03 PM  
Isn't there a six flag in New Jersey, or did that close?
 
2013-06-04 04:25:44 PM  

deadspace: i actually posted on CNN's forum and it seems they deleted it.  All i said was the following:

I would like to know if any of the passengers who remained on the plane has made any kind of a statement yet?  I'd really like to hear what the other passengers on the plane felt about the incident.  I have a feeling the airline was not in the wrong.

i really wonder why they deleted my comment...


I posted about the same thing, had someone reply by linking  this comment from a passenger
TLDR:  Kids brought too much crap for overhead baggage area, flight delayed while some had to be checked, during this time kids were non-compliant, antsy, and disruptive.  Captain tells all passengers to calmly deboard, after which the airline told chaperons that a few of the students would not be allowed back on the flight.  Chaperons tell airline they can't just leave kids behind, so kicking a few off would be kicking them all off, airline told them okay then.
 
2013-06-04 04:26:03 PM  
They delayed the flight 45 minutes. Nuff said.

Accusations of antisemitism make the school look like a bunch of dummis
 
2013-06-04 04:26:51 PM  

fluffy2097: StaleCoffee: - 100+ entitled students armed with video capable cell phones behaved like a bunch of rowdy farkheads, got kicked off the plane and withheld their video footage until they can edit it
 

If they were all behaving and obeying the rules, all their phones would be turned off an unable to take video.


Yes, every single one is an angel and had them turned off as they were supposed to. They're magic teenagers and their next stop after Six Flags was Rainbowland, because they had to feed the unicorns.

Even well behaved kids will surreptitiously take a video.
 
2013-06-04 04:27:53 PM  
Arrogant little pricks.   Two weeks ago, there was a full grown adult on my last flight who refused to turn off her phone, even after the flight attendants told everyone to turn off their phones. Some people just don't belong sharing public space with others.
 
2013-06-04 04:28:47 PM  

Animatronik: They delayed the flight 45 minutes. Nuff said.

Accusations of antisemitism make the school look like a bunch of dummis


Unless of course, ya know.   Antisemitism.

45 minutes.   Is the crew required to provide a report to the airport, TSA, or a local authority when kicking passengers off the plane?   That could easily account for 30 minutes.
 
2013-06-04 04:28:51 PM  

Persnickety: StaleCoffee: Either:

- An entire airline crew engaged in mass discrimination knowing 100+ teenagers with video capable cell phones were their target and felt their disgust and vicious glee would be overlooked by other passengers

or

- 100+ entitled students armed with video capable cell phones behaved like a bunch of rowdy farkheads, got kicked off the plane and withheld their video footage until they can edit it

I dunno, that's a stumper.


Try this one on.  Either:

- One or two of the flight crew were having a bad day and overreacted.

or

- 100+ students with chaperones from the Jewish school were all being uncontrollable hellions.

Still stumped?


So because they're from a Jewish school, they're different from other teenagers? Okay.
 
2013-06-04 04:30:11 PM  

Gunny Highway: StaleCoffee: Either:

- An entire airline crew engaged in mass discrimination knowing 100+ teenagers with video capable cell phones were their target and felt their disgust and vicious glee would be overlooked by other passengers

or

- 100+ entitled students armed with video capable cell phones behaved like a bunch of rowdy farkheads, got kicked off the plane and withheld their video footage until they can edit it

I dunno, that's a stumper.

Nothing in between?


I liked the extremes presented in the story. If we can get Tim Curry to play the role of the pilot we have ourselves a summer blockbuster.
 
2013-06-04 04:31:20 PM  

Kanemano: Isn't there a six flag in New Jersey, or did that close?


I was thinking that, it's about an hour from Brooklyn and it's amazing as amusement parks go.
 
2013-06-04 04:32:09 PM  

Semantic Warrior: deadspace: i actually posted on CNN's forum and it seems they deleted it.  All i said was the following:

I would like to know if any of the passengers who remained on the plane has made any kind of a statement yet?  I'd really like to hear what the other passengers on the plane felt about the incident.  I have a feeling the airline was not in the wrong.

i really wonder why they deleted my comment...

I posted about the same thing, had someone reply by linking  this comment from a passenger
TLDR:  Kids brought too much crap for overhead baggage area, flight delayed while some had to be checked, during this time kids were non-compliant, antsy, and disruptive.  Captain tells all passengers to calmly deboard, after which the airline told chaperons that a few of the students would not be allowed back on the flight.  Chaperons tell airline they can't just leave kids behind, so kicking a few off would be kicking them all off, airline told them okay then.


Thank you!
 
2013-06-04 04:32:11 PM  
People today are coddling the kids too much. Back when I was a kid, if I had been kicked off the plane like this, the teacher would have given me a beating and then sent me home to my dad who would have given me another beating.
 
2013-06-04 04:33:48 PM  
I would bet good money this was said at some point:

"What are they going to do? Throw us all off?"
 
2013-06-04 04:33:53 PM  
Perhaps the best punishment would have been rebooking them on Spirit via Fort Lauderdale.

I shudder to think what would have happened had this been El Al.

...or if this was the FA:

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-04 04:34:05 PM  

balki1867: I'm giving this a 99% likely scenario that this was the kids' (or at least a few of them) fault.

I fly 2-3 times a week for work and on multiple occasions, I've witnessed the same flight attendant have to ask someone sitting near me multiple times to shut down a device.  Even then, that person usually waits till the attendant is in their take-off seat and pulls their iPad/laptop right out and continues working or watching movies.

Given the financial implications of running an airline, it'd be ridiculous to let a plane take off with 109 seats empty (especially if it only seats 125 as another poster said).  Kicking someone out has to be a last resort for some really poor behavior.  Kicking off 109 people wouldn't be done without a really compelling airtight reason. There's no question the airline had to have reviewed everything the crew used to justify the decision, and they are standing behind their staff.

Unless there's some really other facts behind this, I'm with the airline here.


I agree, pure speculation but it is likely a few of them were asked to disembark which in turn the rest of the pack also voluntarily got off with them.

While I am sure their are cases of overreacting flight staff for the most part people treat airline personnel like shiat and I really do feel sorry for them, especially ticket counter personnel. There are numerous occasions have wanted to tell that person yelling at them to STFU and sit down.

CSB: Friday before memorial day DFW was shut down due to a huge thunderstorm, a lot of flights got cancelled, including mine, I was confirmed for a flight the next day but asked to be put on stand by for the later flight, which I was able to get on. Anyway,the guy at my gate for standby was really cool and tried to lighten to situation with humor when people weren't yelling at him. Not much one can do about weather.
 
2013-06-04 04:34:19 PM  

RevMark: Here's a test... remove all the names from the article, including the school and airline and the fact that they were Jewish, then have someone read it. Dollars to doughnuts whomever read it would get to the end of the article and say, "they're Jewish, aren't they?"


I would have said black.
 
2013-06-04 04:35:18 PM  

Begoggle: "I think if it was a group of non-religious kids, the air stewardess wouldn't have dared to kick them off."

Congratulations Christians, you're not the only religion who can pretend to be victims.


Are you implying Jewish people have not been victimized in the past, or am I inferring incorrectly?
 
2013-06-04 04:35:56 PM  

bikerbob59: RevMark: Here's a test... remove all the names from the article, including the school and airline and the fact that they were Jewish, then have someone read it. Dollars to doughnuts whomever read it would get to the end of the article and say, "they're Jewish, aren't they?"

I would have said black.


My first thought was a Brazilian soccer team that couldn't afford Disney that year.
 
2013-06-04 04:36:28 PM  

fluffy2097: Mythbusters even proved though, that all it takes is the right wire to be touching a bit of aluminum bulkhead to make radio signals cause instruments to glitch out.


All it takes is the right wire to be touching a bit of other wire in the wrong fuel probe to cause an airplane to explode.

The flaw is with the wiring, not external radar signals, which are beyond the plane's control.
 
2013-06-04 04:37:26 PM  

bikerbob59: weirdneighbour: Should of kicked them off 35,000 feet up.

And decompress the plane.


Damn, my cunning plan.
 
2013-06-04 04:40:35 PM  

balki1867: balki1867: Unless there's some really other facts behind this, I'm with the airline here.

Unless there's some really COMPELLING other facts behind this, I'm with the airline here.


What goes around, comes around.  10 years from now - may any of them who fail to learn from this check into in a hotel on a personal or business trip, near any major metro airport.  On the same floor as every graduating senior from Burnt Corn (Iowa) High School.  Where they can neither jump out of a window themselves, nor toss them all through one.

*smirk*
 
2013-06-04 04:40:46 PM  
I'll be honest, I think the chance of consumer electronics interfering with avionics is zero. I still fully support kicking a bunch of rowdy, uncompliant loudmouths off the plane. What's next? We negotiate whether you wear a seatbelt? Are we going to hold a group meeting and decide whether we really think pissing in the aisle instead of the bathroom is so bad?
 
2013-06-04 04:40:58 PM  

My Yali or Yours: I guarantee there was a standing ovation as the group was escorted out.


Or sitting, since the other passenger were wearing their seatbelts as they should.
 
2013-06-04 04:41:56 PM  

This text is now purple: The flaw is with the wiring, not external radar signals, which are beyond the plane's control.


That's what kills me about this whole "Turn off your cell phones" BS.  So, my cell phone can apparently crash your plane... and this is somehow *my* fault?  Maybe the airplane companies should hire some engineers from Apple.
 
2013-06-04 04:42:45 PM  

Erik_Emune: Airlines are fairly sensitive about their departure times.


Define "fairly sensitive". Because it's clearly not sufficiently sensitive to make sure their flight crews arrive at the airport early enough to regularly make their flights.
 
2013-06-04 04:43:05 PM  
How DO you babysit 100 kids if they won't babysit themselves? You don't.

/boot
 
2013-06-04 04:43:32 PM  

technofiend: I'll be honest, I think the chance of consumer electronics interfering with avionics is zero.



It doesn't matter what you think.  It's an FAA regulation.  Don't like?  Don't fly if you can't do so without heeding the regulations.
 
2013-06-04 04:43:45 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: That's what kills me about this whole "Turn off your cell phones" BS. So, my cell phone can apparently crash your plane... and this is somehow *my* fault? Maybe the airplane companies should hire some engineers from Apple.


Apple certainly knows how to make sure a device cannot receive a cellular signal.
 
2013-06-04 04:45:45 PM  

MadMonk: I'm not exaggerating, not even other Jewish people like him.


The Jewish communities here in Queens NY (Forest Hills, mostly) were your fairly typical run-of-the-mill, helps-you-with-your-taxes-jews. you know, the kind who's grandparents grew up on the lower east side and their cousin Murray is now a talent agent out in Hollywood. In the 70s and 80s, they they started hearing about all the Persecution and torment that their brothers in the Bukarian and Orthodox sects were having back in eastern Europe and Central Asia, so they campaigned for a long time to help them out and get them over here after the fall of the USSR.  Well, they accepted the invitation, and proceeded to destroy the existing communities in queens and piss off the people who brought them here. to say they regret it is an understatement. The arrogance and sense of entitlement, and complete lack of respect for others is simply amazing.
 
2013-06-04 04:46:18 PM  
They treated us like we were terrorists

My heart bleeds for you. (; _ ;)

In keeping with the slight exaggeration you pose, follow me for a minute: If you and your persecuted little buddies are all using electronic devices, that's a lot of stray EMR. Granted, the risk of bringing down a plane with even a lot of stray EMR is somewhere between minute and minuscule - but your actions do create a risk of killing an airplane-load of people for no good g--d--- reason. Now what is it that terrorists like to do again...?
 
2013-06-04 04:46:37 PM  
Good for AirTran. I'm sure the 101 future personal injury lawyers and politicians were obnoxious and rude and 100% to blame.
 
2013-06-04 04:47:11 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: This text is now purple: The flaw is with the wiring, not external radar signals, which are beyond the plane's control.

That's what kills me about this whole "Turn off your cell phones" BS.  So, my cell phone can apparently crash your plane... and this is somehow *my* fault?  Maybe the airplane companies should hire some engineers from Apple.


Yeah... Apple never built anything that crashed.
 
2013-06-04 04:50:33 PM  
They were going to Six Flags in Atlanta. That place is a sucky money trap. The kids should give the flight crew medals for keeping them from getting there.

/It used to be a lot of fun in the 70s though.
 
2013-06-04 04:51:09 PM  
Flight Attendant kicks rowdy children off of plane. All 108 of them

FTAOne hundred one students and eight chaperones were kicked off

But what??

One hundred one students and eight chaperones were kicked off

There's a code here.  Or...chicharones...or...everyon fails
 
2013-06-04 04:51:22 PM  

oldfarthenry: Stewardess: `THAT'S IT! We're flying this plane to Winnipeg!'

Boys & Goils: `AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!'


Mayor Sam Katz would greet them at the airport.
 
2013-06-04 05:02:26 PM  

tripleseven: On a flight recently, I saw the stewardess tell a kid three farking times to shut off his hone for landing.  Each time, he nodded, then continued to ignore her.

Really, it's not hard to be without your phone for 20 minutes.

Oh, yeah, and before the internet electrical engineer brigade gets on here to tell me that "it's no big deal"  well, I suppose, but lets just say something did happen, would you want to be the assfark who just killed 100 people cause you didn't want to listen?


A kid next to me on a flight was told twice, the third time she took his phone from him and gave it back when the flight ended.
 
2013-06-04 05:05:40 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: This text is now purple: The flaw is with the wiring, not external radar signals, which are beyond the plane's control.

That's what kills me about this whole "Turn off your cell phones" BS.  So, my cell phone can apparently crash your plane... and this is somehow *my* fault?  Maybe the airplane companies should hire some engineers from Apple.


Turn off your damn cell phone because at 20k+ feet you're tying up channels on many many towers.
 
2013-06-04 05:07:45 PM  
Dear Staff of Joel Braverman High School at Yeshiva of Flatbush:

Airtran did not remove your schoolchildren and their chaperones from the plane for Flying Whilst Orthodox; they were removed because a) the kids were being insufferable shiats who apparently are too damned derpy and distracted to be able to read the in-flight safety brochures and listen to the pre-flight safety instruction that pretty explicitly says "no phones in flight, and no electronic devices until the captain gives the OK and even then the iDevices need to be in airplane mode" and b) your chaperones were doing an utterly piss-poor job at chaperoning and making sure the insufferable shiats mentioned in a) actually followed the instructions of the stewardess.

Perhaps if your chaperones did their job (making sure the kids turned off the electronic devices and pay attention to the safety instructions so they can know what to do in case something goes Very Wrong during flight) and the kids followed the instructions (which are not just a thing that the flight attendant makes up to be an Evil Nazi Meanie but are part of FAA instructions and thus are federal laws), we'd not have to worry about this.

(And just in case you wonder why the attendant gets extra persnickety on this on takeoff and landing--"flight" is basically the art of falling without hitting the ground.  Takeoff and landing are the most dangerous times in flight because you're trying to throw the airplane up in the air in such a way that it will fall without hitting, and then gently having it fall instead of smacking very hard and very fast into the ground.  This also happens to be the times that the pilots REALLY tend to rely on THEIR electronic doodads.)

Shalom,
-GPD
 
2013-06-04 05:09:10 PM  
Being on a plane with 101 teenagers is a close to the definition of a living hell as you can get.

I was on a plane with like 10-15 and it was insane.  Constantly being told to not do this or that by the crew and other passengers, yelling , laughing, singing, whistling, tapping on things.  It was basically every single violation of plane (or just plain societal) etiquette:   FOR 12 HOURS.
 
2013-06-04 05:09:38 PM  

BgJonson79: Begoggle: "I think if it was a group of non-religious kids, the air stewardess wouldn't have dared to kick them off."

Congratulations Christians, you're not the only religion who can pretend to be victims.

Are you implying Jewish people have not been victimized in the past, or am I inferring incorrectly?


Having ancestors who were genuinely victimized in the past does not mean you are presently being victimized.

(Hell, having been genuinely victimized yourself in the past doesn't mean you are presently being victimized... but for some strange reason that's rarely not a moot point.)

If you are not presently being victimized but claim you are, you are pretending to be a victim. Simple enough?
 
2013-06-04 05:10:22 PM  

Rhypskallion: roughridersfan:
How many other students around him were asked in the meantimE? Probably more than one. He should have taken the hint the first time the flight attendant told one of his classmates to turn off their phone instead of thinking the request didn't apply to him.

I can't hear everything said in the vicinity of 109 quiet people.   You've made some interesting assumptions about the superhuman senses these kids should have.    I don't think that your conclusion is reasonable.   He may have not had any reasonable warning.   Passenger compartment speakers are not always clear, so broadcast messages may not have been understandable.


Thank you for fixing the missing "e" in "meantime". I saw it after and cursed my proofreading! I hang my head in shame.

I've flown a lot in my life. I usually have minimal trouble hearing the announcements, but that's because I pay attention. Even as a teenager I did - but I treated flying like a privilege and still do.

A plane is a very crowded thing and conversations can be heard, especially when the same thing is repeated multiple times. Flight attendants tend to be a little louder in these situations so they don't have to repeat the same message to EVERY SINGLE PERSON. They may give a gentle reminder the first time or two but, if they see a pattern, they don't want to waste time because passengers on the ground get restless and want to fly.

I don't think I'm making poor assumptions about the situation.
 
2013-06-04 05:11:55 PM  

Zmog: My Yali or Yours: I guarantee there was a standing ovation as the group was escorted out.

Or sitting, since the other passenger were wearing their seatbelts as they should.


Speaking of people clapping on planes, what's with old people applauding when the plane lands?
 
2013-06-04 05:16:51 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Only once in all my flights have I ever seen the pilot leave the cockpit to tell an asspipe "turn the phone off or you're gone" so I can only imagine the shrieking tube of misery this plane must have been to inspire such a forced exodus.


I see what you did there.
 
2013-06-04 05:17:10 PM  
Student Jonathan Zehavi said he felt they were targeted because they are an identifiably Jewish group.

Yep, I was wondering how long into the article I could get without seeing the "persecution" excuse.
 
2013-06-04 05:19:29 PM  
I lay the blame on the chaperones. Kids should have been made to shut off cell phones before they even got on the plane. What business does a kid have that would necessitate them even using the phone once on the plane. (yeah yeah some people gotta play their music). Your still a douche for even having it on once you cross the planes door until the pilot says OK to use now.
 
2013-06-04 05:26:15 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: They still have the no cell phone warnings at the gas stations around here, and they can cause static


My understanding is that the phones themselves do not generate static electricity.  Also, the electromagnetic emissions are too low to generate a spark.

The problem is that a lot of people on the phone will reenter their vehicle while fueling up.  Sliding in and out of your seat can generate a static build-up.  When they return to the pump, zap.  You can discharge any build-up by touching the car before you touch the pump, but people talking on a cell phone are less likely to remember to do that even if they know about it.

That's how we ended up with blanket rules against cell phones at most fuel stations.
 
2013-06-04 05:27:52 PM  

tripleseven: Oh, yeah, and before the internet electrical engineer brigade gets on here to tell me that "it's no big deal"  well, I suppose, but lets just say something did happen, would you want to be the assfark who just killed 100 people cause you didn't want to listen?


Have you flown at all in the last 15 years?  I'd bet that no more than 20% of the passengers turn off their phones (and I think I'm being overly generous with that number).  If something were going to happen, it would have happened.

Cell phones don't interfere with plane instrumentation.  I'll go ahead and say that again: "Your federally-mandated-to-not-interfere-with-electronics cell phone does not interfere with a plane's instrumentation."

That said, I'm still on team "Kids got what they deserved."
 
2013-06-04 05:29:05 PM  

TNel: Sorry you should have told your students to stop messing around and sit and listen.


Used to be 7 teachers could control 100 students in public because if and when you acted up they had authority to punish you. Hell, Victorian teachers had more leeway than military interrogations do now.

Now, it's freakin' impossible. Not only do teachers not have the legal and social authority to punish kids, the kids know it.
 
2013-06-04 05:29:51 PM  
Anyone who has to deal with teenagers for more than five minutes will walk away believing abortions should be legal up to the 75th trimester.
 
2013-06-04 05:32:48 PM  

Persnickety: I'm gonna go out on a limb and speculate that more than a couple of these kids' parents might be lawyers.  I smell lawsuit.


Maybe just for show, but bigger, badder, celebrities have tried and failed.
 
2013-06-04 05:34:42 PM  
While I think the idea of phones causing some electrical disturbance in the plane is farking stupid, I don't have a problem with stowing small objects that can be painful projectiles during the two times emergency maneuvers or oh shiat moments happen.  Just sit down and put your damned phone/pad whatever in the seat pocket in front of you.

If having phones on did cause such massive interference in commercial aircraft that it was a danger to the plane:
1. It would have happened by now
2. We would have to check the damned things upon entry so they could be stored in a shielded container.
 
2013-06-04 05:38:50 PM  

fluffy2097: BrainyBear: I'm sorry, Corporal Punishment is busy -- we're going to have to bring in


"How old are these kids!? Damnit Venture! I've got a court order!"


"What, did Henry Darger write this?"

/love that show
//so glad it's back
 
2013-06-04 05:42:46 PM  

wingnut396: While I think the idea of phones causing some electrical disturbance in the plane is farking stupid, I don't have a problem with stowing small objects that can be painful projectiles during the two times emergency maneuvers or oh shiat moments happen.  Just sit down and put your damned phone/pad whatever in the seat pocket in front of you.

If having phones on did cause such massive interference in commercial aircraft that it was a danger to the plane:
1. It would have happened by now
2. We would have to check the damned things upon entry so they could be stored in a shielded container.


You make a good suggestion.
When it is people, there is no limit to creative mayhem.
In a group, with "magic" toys and tools, the mind boggles at the possibilities!

/ok Duke, roll that big, beautiful monkey with an AK footage
 
2013-06-04 05:44:43 PM  
Regarding the whole "phone/ipad video" thing ... Aren't planes pretty much frickin' lined with cameras by the airlines themselves these days?
 
2013-06-04 05:45:14 PM  

wingnut396: If having phones on did cause such massive interference in commercial aircraft that it was a danger to the plane:
1. It would have happened by now
2. We would have to check the damned things upon entry so they could be stored in a shielded container.


I think the biggest issue with electronics at take-off & landing is that those two moments are when they are most likely to have an emergency.  If the flight crew needs to quickly dish out instructions, they don't want people messing around with angry birds or listening to music on their noise cancelling headset.  It's entirely true that a handful of people will be buried in a book and wearing earplugs, but that's generally not the case, and earplugs are not as ubiquitous as electronics on a plane. They want people to be able to listen to instructions and quickly act on them.  That's also why they want seats and trays up-- so you are not fiddling with the tray table or the reclined seat in front of you as you're trying to get to the aisle.

Once the plane gets in the air, they have plenty of time to run diagnostics if something on the plane isn't working, or get everyone's attention if there is an emergency.  The reason the phone continues to be banned, as another poster pointed out, is that it's attempting to handshake with every cell tower it can talk to and wasting bandwidth on multiple towers at once.

Of course it's way easier to tell everyone it interferes with communications than to talk about the plane potentially landing in the Hudson river, requiring a prompt exit.
 
2013-06-04 05:47:22 PM  

BunkoSquad: "Next year at Six Flags!"


That is funny


+1
 
2013-06-04 05:49:32 PM  

wingnut396: If having phones on did cause such massive interference in commercial aircraft that it was a danger to the plane:
1. It would have happened by now


You said you would never forget!
 
2013-06-04 05:50:37 PM  

mbillips: JesusJuice: Jews crying antisemitism when called out for acting like douchebags?Say it isn't so!

FINALLY! I was wondering where all the anti-semitic Farkers were.


That's not really antisemitism.

RevMark: Here's a test... remove all the names from the article, including the school and airline and the fact that they were Jewish, then have someone read it. Dollars to doughnuts whomever read it would get to the end of the article and say, "they're Jewish, aren't they?"


This is antisemitism.
 
2013-06-04 05:53:16 PM  

doglover: TNel: Sorry you should have told your students to stop messing around and sit and listen.

Used to be 7 teachers could control 100 students in public because if and when you acted up they had authority to punish you. Hell, Victorian teachers had more leeway than military interrogations do now.

Now, it's freakin' impossible. Not only do teachers not have the legal and social authority to punish kids, the kids know it.


I think you have it backwards.  8 chaperones can't begin to properly control 100 kids.  Maybe my class was terrible, but I remember having 5-6 chaperones for just 20 kids.  That being said, I went to a high school that could still motivate with its punishments.  (CSB: 5-day Sun-Fri boarding school making you stay the weekend was always a nasty punishment.)
 
2013-06-04 05:53:22 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: Dear Staff of Joel Braverman High School at Yeshiva of Flatbush:

Airtran did not remove your schoolchildren and their chaperones from the plane for Flying Whilst Orthodox; they were removed because a) the kids were being insufferable shiats who apparently are too damned derpy and distracted to be able to read the in-flight safety brochures and listen to the pre-flight safety instruction that pretty explicitly says "no phones in flight, and no electronic devices until the captain gives the OK and even then the iDevices need to be in airplane mode" and b) your chaperones were doing an utterly piss-poor job at chaperoning and making sure the insufferable shiats mentioned in a) actually followed the instructions of the stewardess.

Perhaps if your chaperones did their job (making sure the kids turned off the electronic devices and pay attention to the safety instructions so they can know what to do in case something goes Very Wrong during flight) and the kids followed the instructions (which are not just a thing that the flight attendant makes up to be an Evil Nazi Meanie but are part of FAA instructions and thus are federal laws), we'd not have to worry about this.

(And just in case you wonder why the attendant gets extra persnickety on this on takeoff and landing--"flight" is basically the art of falling without hitting the ground.  Takeoff and landing are the most dangerous times in flight because you're trying to throw the airplane up in the air in such a way that it will fall without hitting, and then gently having it fall instead of smacking very hard and very fast into the ground.  This also happens to be the times that the pilots REALLY tend to rely on THEIR electronic doodads.)

Shalom,
-GPD


Associate Principal Bacon frowns at your shenanigans.
 
2013-06-04 05:57:44 PM  

ceebeecates4: 8 chaperones can't begin to properly control 100 kids


They could if all the little brats were fitted with shock collars.
 
2013-06-04 05:58:07 PM  
On one hand, when the flight crew tells you to knock shiat off, you knock shiat off.

On the other hand, the FAA has cleared iPads to replace flight log books in the cockpit, so... why do the cell phones need to be off, again?
 
2013-06-04 05:59:15 PM  

Marine1: why do the cell phones need to be off, again?


Because they cut into the massive profits they get from those in-flight phones fitted on the back of each seat.
 
2013-06-04 06:05:19 PM  

JPSimonetti: Regarding the whole "phone/ipad video" thing ... Aren't planes pretty much frickin' lined with cameras by the airlines themselves these days?


You'd think they would be.  They've got cameras in school buses and every damned streetcorner, but apparently not in airplanes.  One camera on the coach bulkhead would put this matter rest.
 
2013-06-04 06:05:38 PM  

OgreMagi: Marine1: why do the cell phones need to be off, again?

Because they cut into the massive profits they get from those in-flight phones fitted on the back of each seat.


I've actually never seen one of those in an aircraft. Then again, wherever I fly is from KCI, so you can get anywhere in a 737...

/I doubt that's the reason, though.
 
2013-06-04 06:07:31 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-04 06:07:40 PM  

ceebeecates4: doglover: TNel: Sorry you should have told your students to stop messing around and sit and listen.

Used to be 7 teachers could control 100 students in public because if and when you acted up they had authority to punish you. Hell, Victorian teachers had more leeway than military interrogations do now.

Now, it's freakin' impossible. Not only do teachers not have the legal and social authority to punish kids, the kids know it.

I think you have it backwards.  8 chaperones can't begin to properly control 100 kids.  Maybe my class was terrible, but I remember having 5-6 chaperones for just 20 kids.  That being said, I went to a high school that could still motivate with its punishments.  (CSB: 5-day Sun-Fri boarding school making you stay the weekend was always a nasty punishment.)


The summer after 8th grade, I went on a one-week trip to the East Coast that was run by the school.  Only kids who were invited got to go, so the worst troublemakers we