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(Denver Channel)   Democratic Colorado State Senator from Colorado Springs facing possible recall election over gun vote, which brings up an important question: there's a Democrat in Colorado Springs?   (thedenverchannel.com) divider line 116
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2013-06-03 01:27:12 PM
I think HST's Dead Carcass might be a Democrat?
 
2013-06-03 01:42:58 PM
Well, his district includes all the hippies in Manitou Springs.
 
2013-06-03 01:44:26 PM
Weird. That's like saying there's a democrat in Colorado Springs
 
2013-06-03 02:19:08 PM
I've been told that the Springs does have a small population of Democrats.
They're vastly outnumbered by the megachurch crowd, but they are there.
 
2013-06-03 02:52:56 PM
Beautiful city. Mostly.

Terrible people. Mostly.
 
2013-06-03 02:59:51 PM
Do not I repeat do not read the comments on that site, wow just.... wow
 
2013-06-03 03:04:55 PM
Holy crap! They might actually pull this off. Even though it's the Springs, I didn't think they had a chance.

FTFA: "Opponents of Senate President John Morse of Colorado Springs turned in 16,046 petition signatures to state officials Monday in an effort to force a new election. They need 7,178 signatures to force a recall election."
 
2013-06-03 03:06:53 PM
As a Canadian who has lived in Colorado Spring twice, it's probably the one plce I've lived that I would love to go back to.

Mind you, as I was ages 2-5 the first time, and 9-12 the second time, I didn't really have an idea of the politics of the region. Might change my mind now.
 
2013-06-03 03:06:59 PM
Well, it's nicest way to deal with him.
 
2013-06-03 03:08:04 PM
Recall elections should be reserved for cases of gross negligence, incompetence, or illegal activity. They are not to be used simply because you disagree with so-and-so's opinion on such-and-such. This is a very slippery slope.

Also, I've heard that Colorado Springs is so conservative that it is technically illegal to poop there. The residents just hold it in and then drive down to a rest stop outside of Pueblo once a week to let it out.
 
2013-06-03 03:09:06 PM
Ahh C Springs...

Keepin' it classy, keepin' it Colorado!

Colorado cities family:
Denver is the super busy mother and father with every issue you can imagine
Grand Junction is the redneck uncle
Vail is the rich trophy-wife aunt
Aspen is the rich actor uncle
Boulder is the dreamy hippy daughter with a beer and weed problem
Fort Collins is the software developer son with a beer and weed problem

...and C Springs is the fundamentalist militant aggro son who wants to kill his whole family. Srsly, C, u mad.
 
2013-06-03 03:14:02 PM
Ah, Colorado. The wild, wild, West. Where you can't save your own rainwater but by gum...nobody...mah...guns...

Amazing how no one win an election without this guy working for their campaign:

inspectorkemp.dyndns.org
 
2013-06-03 03:14:45 PM
Failing that, ricin letters.
 
2013-06-03 03:19:00 PM

seventypercent: Recall elections should be reserved for cases of gross negligence, incompetence, or illegal activity. They are not to be used simply because you disagree with so-and-so's opinion on such-and-such. This is a very slippery slope.


I disagree wholeheartedly.

If you can get enough people to sign a petition to force a recall election, and then unseat a sitting politician in that election, isn't that the very essence of representational democracy?  After all, if that person gets removed from office in an election, it's obvious that he wasn't representing his constituents as they would like.
 
2013-06-03 03:20:33 PM
Hey, look. More "Pro-Freedom" "Pro-American" partisan farktards.
 
2013-06-03 03:23:16 PM

seventypercent: Recall elections should be reserved for cases of gross negligence, incompetence, or illegal activity. They are not to be used simply because you disagree with so-and-so's opinion on such-and-such. This is a very slippery slope.

Also, I've heard that Colorado Springs is so conservative that it is technically illegal to poop there. The residents just hold it in and then drive down to a rest stop outside of Pueblo once a week to let it out.


Hardly. Even if he is recalled, it doesn't change the fact that it still takes a significant and expensive effort to make it happen again. And if a constituency is unhappy with the performance of their elected officials and don't feel they are being properly represented, regardless of reason, they have an obvious right to make a change.  Democracy can be a biatch.
 
2013-06-03 03:25:21 PM

joonyer: Ahh C Springs...

Keepin' it classy, keepin' it Colorado!

Colorado cities family:
Denver is the super busy mother and father with every issue you can imagine that listens to decent music and smokes weed because its legal
Grand Junction is the redneck uncle who is losing teeth from meth and smokes weed because its legal
Vail is the rich trophy-wife aunt who smokes weed in secret because its legal
Aspen is the rich actor uncle who smokes weed because its legal
Boulder is the dreamy hippy daughter with a beer and weed problem
Fort Collins is the software developer son with a beer and weed problem

...and C Springs is the fundamentalist militant aggro air force son who wants to kill his whole family with fighter jets for jesus. Srsly, C, u mad.


slightly modified that for you.
 
2013-06-03 03:26:10 PM

dittybopper: I disagree wholeheartedly.

If you can get enough people to sign a petition to force a recall election, and then unseat a sitting politician in that election, isn't that the very essence of representational democracy? After all, if that person gets removed from office in an election, it's obvious that he wasn't representing his constituents as they would like.


Depends.  If you start having a monthly recall election regardless of the persons voting record then it's inefficient and a distraction from the practice of actually governing.

Look at, say, the President.  He's won election but you know that if recalls were allowed the Republicans would be going after them weekly just because.
 
2013-06-03 03:30:04 PM

ArtosRC: Beautiful city. Mostly.

Terrible people. Mostly.


I work in Oracle's support center in Orlando.  But I hear our other US facility in Colorado Springs is beautiful.  Right near the AF Academy and the Garden of the Gods.  I'd like to visit some time.
 
2013-06-03 03:30:55 PM

joonyer: Ahh C Springs...

Keepin' it classy, keepin' it Colorado!

Colorado cities family:
Denver is the super busy mother and father with every issue you can imagine
Grand Junction is the redneck uncle
Vail is the rich trophy-wife aunt
Aspen is the rich actor uncle
Boulder is the dreamy hippy daughter with a beer and weed problem
Fort Collins is the software developer son with a beer and weed problem

...and C Springs is the fundamentalist militant aggro son who wants to kill his whole family. Srsly, C, u mad.


not bad.

I personally think of the Springs as the fundie grandma that everyone ignores.
 
2013-06-03 03:31:28 PM

Satanic_Hamster: dittybopper: I disagree wholeheartedly.

If you can get enough people to sign a petition to force a recall election, and then unseat a sitting politician in that election, isn't that the very essence of representational democracy? After all, if that person gets removed from office in an election, it's obvious that he wasn't representing his constituents as they would like.

Depends.  If you start having a monthly recall election regardless of the persons voting record then it's inefficient and a distraction from the practice of actually governing.

Look at, say, the President.  He's won election but you know that if recalls were allowed the Republicans would be going after them weekly just because.


That's why you require X amount of signatures to have one (7800 in this case)

This person went LALA to his constituents and now has to answer to them for that
 
2013-06-03 03:32:28 PM
As someone who actually, you know, participated in the all the gun bills at each stage, House Appropriations, Senate Judiciary, etc and watched the Democrats absolutely trample the pro firearms folks that showed up (there were bother Conservative and Liberal gun owners represented), I can tell you that Morse got what he deserved. He treated constituents like garbage. Whether or not you agree with the other sides they pay your salary and deserve fair treatment and a modicum of respect. That foolish(and criminal) Rep Rhonda Fields will suffer as well.

tl;dr he's gonna reap it

/csb
 
2013-06-03 03:32:30 PM

Diogenes: ArtosRC: Beautiful city. Mostly.

Terrible people. Mostly.

I work in Oracle's support center in Orlando.  But I hear our other US facility in Colorado Springs is beautiful.  Right near the AF Academy and the Garden of the Gods.  I'd like to visit some time.


it really is pretty here. also you should check out at least 1 AF football game, one of the best college FB experiences I've had.
 
2013-06-03 03:32:54 PM

Diogenes: ArtosRC: Beautiful city. Mostly.

Terrible people. Mostly.

I work in Oracle's support center in Orlando.  But I hear our other US facility in Colorado Springs is beautiful.  Right near the AF Academy and the Garden of the Gods.  I'd like to visit some time.


It is nice, great view of the foothills north of the city.  Not really "right near" Garden, but it is around the corner a bit.
 
2013-06-03 03:33:32 PM

Diogenes: ArtosRC: Beautiful city. Mostly.

Terrible people. Mostly.

I work in Oracle's support center in Orlando.  But I hear our other US facility in Colorado Springs is beautiful.  Right near the AF Academy and the Garden of the Gods.  I'd like to visit some time.


The campus isn't much, but it does have a nice view. Agree with folks upthread, the Springs is beautiful, but has a sharp right-wing, often religious, viewpoint.
 
2013-06-03 03:34:17 PM
Also, as a Colorado Springs resident freaking out over some idiot shooting up Garden of the Gods last night (  http://gazette.com/shooter-unloads-150-rounds-at-rocks-in-garden-of-t h e-gods-police-say/article/1501528 , no injuries, just shooting rocks), I'm getting a kick out of the idea of us trying to recall a politician over gun control.
 
2013-06-03 03:37:25 PM
I go back and forth between the Denver Metro and the Springs a lot (work in the Springs, grew-up/play in Denver)...it's interesting how they kinda pretend the other doesn't exist (business, culturally, etc). It's not even a political thing, conservative Douglas County, which is between the 2, seems pretty much entirely focused on the Denver Metro.
 
2013-06-03 03:37:33 PM

ShadowKamui: That's why you require X amount of signatures to have one (7800 in this case)

This person went LALA to his constituents and now has to answer to them for that


Some places have / may have way too low of a number to trigger a recall.  And the number needed for the recall is still below the number needed to WIN the recall.

Just saying; while recalling has it's place, using it as a tool to just waste time isn't kosher.
 
2013-06-03 03:39:00 PM
The Republicans may win this round, but some day President Hickenlooper is going to sign the law that makes weed legal for all Americans and bring real freedom to our great nation.

/exhales
 
2013-06-03 03:40:29 PM

Satanic_Hamster: dittybopper: I disagree wholeheartedly.

If you can get enough people to sign a petition to force a recall election, and then unseat a sitting politician in that election, isn't that the very essence of representational democracy? After all, if that person gets removed from office in an election, it's obvious that he wasn't representing his constituents as they would like.

Depends.  If you start having a monthly recall election regardless of the persons voting record then it's inefficient and a distraction from the practice of actually governing.

Look at, say, the President.  He's won election but you know that if recalls were allowed the Republicans would be going after them weekly just because.


We don't directly elect the president, so it doesn't matter, and there is a process to remove the president if necessary, but the circumstances are strictly limited by the Constitution.

This process (recall election) is specifically spelled out in Colorado law.  If it wasn't exercised every once in a while, I'd actually be worried, because that would be a sign of either a complacent electorate, or a corrupt political machine, or both.
 
2013-06-03 03:41:57 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Just saying; while recalling has it's place, using it as a tool to just waste time isn't kosher.


This isn't about wasting time.  These people are really, really upset about what happened, and as a result they are taking action.
 
2013-06-03 03:44:29 PM

NkThrasher: Also, as a Colorado Springs resident freaking out over some idiot shooting up Garden of the Gods last night (  http://gazette.com/shooter-unloads-150-rounds-at-rocks-in-garden-of-t h e-gods-police-say/article/1501528 , no injuries, just shooting rocks), I'm getting a kick out of the idea of us trying to recall a politician over gun control.


heh...that sounds about right. the north and west sides of El Paso county are nice (some of the nicest people I've ever met), but Southern and Eastern El Paso can be like a Rob Zombie movie.
 
2013-06-03 03:45:01 PM

Satanic_Hamster: ShadowKamui: That's why you require X amount of signatures to have one (7800 in this case)

This person went LALA to his constituents and now has to answer to them for that

Some places have / may have way too low of a number to trigger a recall.  And the number needed for the recall is still below the number needed to WIN the recall.

Just saying; while recalling has it's place, using it as a tool to just waste time isn't kosher.


It is not being used to "just waste time". Morse will have another session to push his agenda as Senate President, if not recalled. Obviously, many of his constituents don't want him to have that chance.
 
2013-06-03 03:47:50 PM

ArtosRC: Beautiful city. Mostly.

Terrible people. Mostly.


Colorado Springs is an embarrassment to the state along the lines of Tom Tancredo and Coors Light.
 
2013-06-03 03:48:02 PM
The problem with all this is he's already cost Colorado untold millions in revenue by chasing off sportsmen and their associated companies. The damage he's done to the economy is unfixable. All this does is staunch the bleeding.
 
2013-06-03 03:49:10 PM
What I find the most amazing is that they are trying to recall the senate president.  Having that much power brings a lot of pork back home.
 
2013-06-03 03:52:15 PM

Wadded Beef: ArtosRC: Beautiful city. Mostly.

Terrible people. Mostly.

Colorado Springs is an embarrassment to the state along the lines of Tom Tancredo and Coors Light.


meh...Coors Light is fine for yard work or hang-overs.
 
2013-06-03 03:52:22 PM

eynonmcwanker: heh...that sounds about right. the north and west sides of El Paso county are nice (some of the nicest people I've ever met), but Southern and Eastern El Paso can be like a Rob Zombie movie


I swear, I love Colorado (apart from my nose going nuts with the dry air and pollen around here), but holy crap is Colorado Springs a nut house of a city.  About all we have going for us are all the things that aren't actually ours (Pikes, Manitou, the foot hills).
 
2013-06-03 03:52:48 PM

Wadded Beef: ArtosRC: Beautiful city. Mostly.

Terrible people. Mostly.

Colorado Springs is an embarrassment to the state along the lines of Tom Tancredo and Coors Light.


And Focus on the Family, which is, incidentally, based in C. Springs.
 
2013-06-03 04:04:44 PM
If its done in accordance with the constitutional framework for it, then I can't criticize people for exercising their options. I might disagree and vote against if I lived there, but its hard to argue with the framework.
 
2013-06-03 04:08:23 PM

Mrbogey: The problem with all this is he's already cost Colorado untold millions in revenue by chasing off sportsmen and their associated companies. The damage he's done to the economy is unfixable. All this does is staunch the bleeding.


Stopping the bleeding is the first step.  Then you can work on healing later.
 
2013-06-03 04:17:22 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Hardly. Even if he is recalled, it doesn't change the fact that it still takes a significant and expensive effort to make it happen again. And if a constituency is unhappy with the performance of their elected officials and don't feel they are being properly represented, regardless of reason, they have an obvious right to make a change. Democracy can be a biatch.


But it isn't a significant or expensive effort, at least not to the folks organizing the recall.

All you need (in this case) is 7,000 signatures to force a recall election. You can get 7,000 signatures with a modest number of volunteers standing outside of supermarkets. It would cost you next to nothing. Now, of course, when you turn the petition in and force the election, then it gets expensive. Then it costs money to taxpayers. If you could force the people behind the recall to actually finance the recall election in its entirety, that might be another thing entirely, but that isn't the way that it works. You end up sticking the taxpayers with the bill, including the majority of taxpayers who are wholly and fundamentally opposed to having the recall election at all.

Yes, democracy can be a biatch. One corollary to that is that elections have consequences. Elected officials in the US are not elected for life (some judicial posts notwithstanding.) This is the entire reason why officials have terms of office. If you're unhappy or disagree with your elected officials, then vote them out of office when they're up for re-election. If there's a guy that's embezzling money to bang cocktail waitresses in Aspen, then by all means, recall him. But this idea of using the recall process because people don't like the result of elections and want a "do-over" is completely antithetical to the concept of American democracy and not what our founding fathers intended.
 
2013-06-03 04:20:51 PM
Wow.  Subby and about the first 10 comments missed

"Democrats hold a slight registration advantage in the district,"

The stoopid.  It burns.
 
2013-06-03 04:21:22 PM
dittybopper:
This process (recall election) is specifically spelled out in Colorado law.  If it wasn't exercised every once in a while, I'd actually be worried, because that would be a sign of either a complacent electorate, or a corrupt political machine, or both.

Funny, I pull the fire alarm in my building every couple of weeks just because I'm worried the fire department's corrupt or  my fellow coworkers don't give a damn if the whole place goes up in smoke.
 
2013-06-03 04:23:26 PM

seventypercent: Recall elections should be reserved for cases of gross negligence, incompetence, or illegal activity. They are not to be used simply because you disagree with so-and-so's opinion on such-and-such. This is a very slippery slope.


Agreed.  So I suspect you signed the petition then?
 
2013-06-03 04:25:35 PM

seventypercent: Ow! That was my feelings!: Hardly. Even if he is recalled, it doesn't change the fact that it still takes a significant and expensive effort to make it happen again. And if a constituency is unhappy with the performance of their elected officials and don't feel they are being properly represented, regardless of reason, they have an obvious right to make a change. Democracy can be a biatch.

But it isn't a significant or expensive effort, at least not to the folks organizing the recall.

All you need (in this case) is 7,000 signatures to force a recall election. You can get 7,000 signatures with a modest number of volunteers standing outside of supermarkets. It would cost you next to nothing. Now, of course, when you turn the petition in and force the election, then it gets expensive. Then it costs money to taxpayers. If you could force the people behind the recall to actually finance the recall election in its entirety, that might be another thing entirely, but that isn't the way that it works. You end up sticking the taxpayers with the bill, including the majority of taxpayers who are wholly and fundamentally opposed to having the recall election at all.

Yes, democracy can be a biatch. One corollary to that is that elections have consequences. Elected officials in the US are not elected for life (some judicial posts notwithstanding.) This is the entire reason why officials have terms of office. If you're unhappy or disagree with your elected officials, then vote them out of office when they're up for re-election. If there's a guy that's embezzling money to bang cocktail waitresses in Aspen, then by all means, recall him. But this idea of using the recall process because people don't like the result of elections and want a "do-over" is completely antithetical to the concept of American democracy and not what our founding fathers intended.


It takes 25% of the electorate from the previous election to force a Colorado state legislative recall. The 7,000 number is immaterial. It is the result of a very low turnout in Morse's last election. Maybe if Morse actually represented his district, he wouldn't be having this issue now.
 
2013-06-03 04:32:11 PM

seventypercent: If you're unhappy or disagree with your elected officials, then vote them out of office when they're up for re-election. If there's a guy that's embezzling money to bang cocktail waitresses in Aspen, then by all means, recall him. But this idea of using the recall process because people don't like the result of elections and want a "do-over" is completely antithetical to the concept of American democracy and not what our founding fathers intended.


So you're okay with a political process of recalls for non-political issues like embezzlement (it's criminal, not political) but against it for political reasons.

Reality check:  If you campaign on a pro-X platform and basically lied to the people that voted for you based on that pro-X platform, please expect to be recalled.  Political promises have consequences.  Oh, and if you are committing felonies like embezzlement, the remedy is prison, not recalls.
 
2013-06-03 04:37:20 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: It takes 25% of the electorate from the previous election to force a Colorado state legislative recall. The 7,000 number is immaterial. It is the result of a very low turnout in Morse's last election. Maybe if Morse actually represented his district, he wouldn't be having this issue now.


The 7,000 number is immaterial because even if it were 70,000, the fact remains that it costs next to nothing to gather signatures. It's taxpayers that end up having to bear the burden financially (as well as the inevitable onslaught of insufferable political advertising on radio/TV/social media.)
 
2013-06-03 04:37:37 PM

NkThrasher: Also, as a Colorado Springs resident freaking out over some idiot shooting up Garden of the Gods last night (  http://gazette.com/shooter-unloads-150-rounds-at-rocks-in-garden-of-t h e-gods-police-say/article/1501528 , no injuries, just shooting rocks), I'm getting a kick out of the idea of us trying to recall a politician over gun control.


Damn, I can hit the south side of GoG with a rock. That's so farked, I hope they confiscated his weapons...
 
2013-06-03 04:42:06 PM

DeadPuppySociety: NkThrasher: Also, as a Colorado Springs resident freaking out over some idiot shooting up Garden of the Gods last night (  http://gazette.com/shooter-unloads-150-rounds-at-rocks-in-garden-of-t h e-gods-police-say/article/1501528 , no injuries, just shooting rocks), I'm getting a kick out of the idea of us trying to recall a politician over gun control.

Damn, I can hit the south side of GoG with a rock. That's so farked, I hope they confiscated his weapons...


I used to live at Garden and Centennial, not quite as close as you, but even so still a crazy thing to think of.  I probably could have heard the shots from my old place.
 
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