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2013-06-03 09:55:38 AM  
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2013-06-03 10:00:58 AM  
Bob Dole: Reagan or Nixon would never get elected to today's GOP.

Goldberg: That's farking ridiculous! What the hell is that old man thinking?! Furthermore, neither Nixon or Reagan would get elected to the modern GOP.
 
2013-06-03 10:02:22 AM  
NRO?  I've heard that breed will turn on you.
 
2013-06-03 10:06:15 AM  
Bob Dole was not perfect, but he deserves a lot better than this. Then again, he deserved better for falling on his sword going against Clinton too. This is the claptrap that alienated me from the party. Embrasure of rhetoric over facts and substantive policy are killing politics in this country, and pieces like this only remind me that the rot within the GOP is not just affecting the party, but the discussion of any substantive issues or our ability to deal with them.
 
2013-06-03 10:10:34 AM  
rlv.zcache.com
 
2013-06-03 10:13:54 AM  

cretinbob: [rlv.zcache.com image 271x271]


Heh... I love it
 
2013-06-03 10:15:44 AM  
Bob Dole was a war hero who gave up the use of his right arm in combat against the Nazis during WWII. He was one of the first to volunteer when war broke out.

Jonah Goldberg is just a schmuck.
 
2013-06-03 10:22:55 AM  
Well, given all those viagra commercials he did, we all knew he was horny.
 
2013-06-03 10:23:14 AM  
I'm really starting to believe that these attacks against the likes of Dole and others Republicans who speak out against the nonsense and self-desctructive actions rampant in the party have very little to do with actual ideology.  In the case of Goldberg, it's a defense of their constant derp, paranoia, and outrage businesses.

Can't run these businesses very well if your respected members leaders tell the world you're full of shiat.
 
2013-06-03 10:23:30 AM  

hubiestubert: This is the claptrap that alienated me from the party. Embrasure of rhetoric over facts and substantive policy are killing politics in this country, and pieces like this only remind me that the rot within the GOP is not just affecting the party, but the discussion of any substantive issues or our ability to deal with them.


you can trace it back to the republican takeover of congress in '94 and people like frank luntz (for whom a special circle of hell is being created, i'm sure) who seized on rhetoric as the prime mover of elections. add to that the advent of fox news in '96 and its effect on the media in general, shifting the paradigm to one in which both sides of the argument, no matter how vile, false or inflammatory, must be presented without comment, lest there be any cries of bias (yet somehow allowing themselves to be vile, false AND inflammatory at the same time).

it's sort of a perfect storm atop bullshiat mountain that helped push the GOP to prominence in the early 2000s, but will eventually be their undoing by making them the crazy old racist party.
 
2013-06-03 10:33:23 AM  
By Jonah Goldberg

Is as far as anyone needs to read.
 
2013-06-03 10:37:40 AM  

vernonFL: By Jonah Goldberg

Is as far as anyone needs to read.


i put it right there at the top of the thread for everyone
 
2013-06-03 10:39:29 AM  

Jackson Herring: vernonFL: By Jonah Goldberg

Is as far as anyone needs to read.

i put it right there at the top of the thread for everyone


I was wondering who that bearded Muslim was.
 
2013-06-03 10:40:17 AM  

hubiestubert: Embrasure of rhetoric over facts and substantive policy are killing politics in this country


Many people have a Pavlovian response to bumper sticker politics. That's why it's so easy to dupe them with phrases and flags while not providing any substantive value.

I understand that Dems can be guilty of this, too, but to nowhere near the extreme as 'conservatives.' They appear to exist on the cheap appeal to base fears.Can you recall anything other than Obama's campaign slogan that was designed to be a mantra? 'Conservatives' these days package everything for quick consumption.
 
2013-06-03 10:44:31 AM  
Oblig. Link
 
2013-06-03 10:45:08 AM  

Sgt Otter: Jackson Herring: vernonFL: By Jonah Goldberg

Is as far as anyone needs to read.

i put it right there at the top of the thread for everyone

I was wondering who that bearded Muslim was.


It's a goatee. We all know what that means. In an alternate universe, an unbearded version of him writes opinion pieces for the New Yorker.
 
2013-06-03 10:45:36 AM  

dickfreckle: hubiestubert: Embrasure of rhetoric over facts and substantive policy are killing politics in this country

Many people have a Pavlovian response to bumper sticker politics. That's why it's so easy to dupe them with phrases and flags while not providing any substantive value.

I understand that Dems can be guilty of this, too, but to nowhere near the extreme as 'conservatives.' They appear to exist on the cheap appeal to base fears.Can you recall anything other than Obama's campaign slogan that was designed to be a mantra? 'Conservatives' these days package everything for quick consumption.


McTalkingpoints
 
2013-06-03 10:51:58 AM  
Can't say I'm surprised.
 
2013-06-03 10:57:53 AM  

RexTalionis: Bob Dole was a war hero who gave up the use of his right arm in combat against the Nazis during WWII. He was one of the first to volunteer when war broke out.

Jonah Goldberg is just a schmuck.


He fights the wars on the ideological front so our brave men and women don't have to! He's a national hero.
 
2013-06-03 10:59:24 AM  

vernonFL: By Jonah Goldberg

Is as far as anyone needs to read.


Doughey Pantsload. An evil f#ck who wants to grow up to be Dick Cheney.
 
2013-06-03 11:00:52 AM  
Can anyone show me a world leaders that the derp squad respects?

i.telegraph.co.uk

- Wants to revert to the way things were.
- "Embraces Capitalism"
- Projects Strength
- Wrestles polar bears
- Crushes dissent
 
2013-06-03 11:03:14 AM  
Bob Dole - traitor and RINO
Michelle Bachmann - voice of freedom and GOP heroine

This is why you fail.
 
2013-06-03 11:03:23 AM  
Dole was a "politician of undisputed integrity"?

No.
 
2013-06-03 11:04:21 AM  
i46.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-03 11:05:16 AM  

2wolves: vernonFL: By Jonah Goldberg

Is as far as anyone needs to read.

Doughey Pantsload. An evil f#ck who wants to grow up to be Dick Cheney.


He wishes he could muster the darkness from beyond the cold gasp at the end of all time that is Dick Cheney. Goldberg is evil's leftover taco fart compared to the dank and musty satanic curry sh*t that is Dick Cheney.

Dick Cheney once received a heart transplant from Jonah Goldberg and promptly went out and killed a whole box of puppies. That's awful, you say? Consider that Dick Cheney flosses his teeth with freshly plucked kitten whiskers, and then grinds up the leftover whiskerless kittens for his morning coffee. That's how mild Jonah Goldberg's nastiness is to Dick Cheney's.
 
2013-06-03 11:05:18 AM  
If NRO can be compared to an enormous dung heap, and I think you'll concede that it can, then Jonah Goldberg is the largest ugliest weed growing out of it. I wouldn't trust him to sit the right way on a toilet seat.
 
2013-06-03 11:06:06 AM  
It's the other way around Bob Dole is a Republican but the people like Jonah Goldberg are... well RINO's to say the least.
 
2013-06-03 11:08:03 AM  

2wolves: vernonFL: By Jonah Goldberg

Is as far as anyone needs to read.

Doughey Pantsload. An evil f#ck who wants to grow up to be Dick Cheney.


For as much as I hate Cheney, I have to say Goldberg's nowhere near his level.  Cheney's shiats are tougher than Goldberg.  The only reason he's even in the business is because of his mother.  "Doughy Pantload" is a compliment.
 
2013-06-03 11:08:32 AM  

NuttierThanEver: I wouldn't trust him to sit the right way on a toilet seat.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-03 11:11:10 AM  

dickfreckle: hubiestubert: Embrasure of rhetoric over facts and substantive policy are killing politics in this country

Many people have a Pavlovian response to bumper sticker politics. That's why it's so easy to dupe them with phrases and flags while not providing any substantive value.

I understand that Dems can be guilty of this, too, but to nowhere near the extreme as 'conservatives.' They appear to exist on the cheap appeal to base fears.Can you recall anything other than Obama's campaign slogan that was designed to be a mantra? 'Conservatives' these days package everything for quick consumption.


They want light switch answers to complex issues. That cannot work.

I hate bumper sticker politics. Instead of it being a motto and intro to their stances, the right MAKES it their stances. Their issues are boiled down to context-less, vague and insulting style of 'Ed good. Rocko bad.'
 
2013-06-03 11:12:44 AM  

MrBallou: Sgt Otter: Jackson Herring: vernonFL: By Jonah Goldberg

Is as far as anyone needs to read.

i put it right there at the top of the thread for everyone

I was wondering who that bearded Muslim was.

It's a goatee. We all know what that means. In an alternate universe, an unbearded version of him writes opinion pieces for the New Yorker.


I'm suddenly terrified by the prospect of an unbearded alternate-universe Republi-Krugman.

What sort of atrocities could that man bring about, and should we be worried about their cross-dimensional effects??

Maybe Unskewed Polls was just an echo...
 
2013-06-03 11:15:22 AM  
Best Bob Dole quote "The Land of the Provincial and Home of the Naïve Thank God"
 
2013-06-03 11:18:09 AM  

dickfreckle: hubiestubert: Embrasure of rhetoric over facts and substantive policy are killing politics in this country

Many people have a Pavlovian response to bumper sticker politics. That's why it's so easy to dupe them with phrases and flags while not providing any substantive value.

I understand that Dems can be guilty of this, too, but to nowhere near the extreme as 'conservatives.' They appear to exist on the cheap appeal to base fears.Can you recall anything other than Obama's campaign slogan that was designed to be a mantra? 'Conservatives' these days package everything for quick consumption.


The worst I see on a Lefty-mobile usually involves "End this War" in reference to Iraq and something about the Environment,. "Conservative-mobiles" usually advocate killing liberals and brown people, as well as advertising the love they have for their shiatty, sub-par AR-15 clones. Of course, the new rightie code word if "Zombie".

As for Jonah Goldberg, christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-06-03 11:18:11 AM  
As for the Democrats, which one, exactly, would have an easy time getting elected today? Forget about the repugnant sexual antics; John F. Kennedy was a foreign-policy hawk and tax-cutter. Jimmy Carter? A haughty, born-again Christian Southerner? Sure, he'd sail through the Democratic primaries. Even Bill Clinton, despite his enormous popularity among Democrats today, probably couldn't get nominated if he ran as the Democrat he was in 1992.

Exactly why I've always found the liberal love for JFK very strange.
 
2013-06-03 11:23:18 AM  

dickfreckle: hubiestubert: Embrasure of rhetoric over facts and substantive policy are killing politics in this country

Many people have a Pavlovian response to bumper sticker politics. That's why it's so easy to dupe them with phrases and flags while not providing any substantive value.

I understand that Dems can be guilty of this, too, but to nowhere near the extreme as 'conservatives.' They appear to exist on the cheap appeal to base fears.Can you recall anything other than Obama's campaign slogan that was designed to be a mantra? 'Conservatives' these days package everything for quick consumption.


When the NeoCons brought back the Congress, and their "Revolution" they brought a lot of weight to the table. Publishing houses, media, and a grass roots campaign that tapped into a lot of fears. It also skewed the politics in the way that many of the older GOP feared, as it gave the NeoCons a lot of allies, and Rove and his ilk brought a campaign strategy that had to be held up in public perception with actual policies. Never mind that the policies actively contravened most of the last twenty years of Republican policy, they then had captive scholars to spin justifications for all these changes, and even make them look patriotic.

I weep that my favorite Senator, Olympia Snowe stepped down, because she represented the best hope to bring the party back to sanity, but without the NeoCon and Religious Right's cash and rabid voters, she and the old guard didn't really have much of a chance. Even McCain fell to it, and it's sad because as the Presidential candidate back in 2000, he represented a far better vision for the party. The problem was, with his interest in campaign finance reform, and an actual military background, he alienated much of the NeoCons who understand that their rise to power is directly tied to keeping the money train rolling, and the industries attached to it. The NeoCons hammered out a strong coalition within the party after Reagan got into office, and then sealed it with Bush, and Clinton's win only inflamed those folks.

In part, we can sort of blame Clinton for the rise of the party in its current form, because his move towards the middle, forced the party to head more towards the extreme right, just to differentiate themselves from Clinton and the Democrats. The party saw the middle ground as being tainted, and thus have moved to be more and then even more, and now we have Representatives and Senators who simply put, can never head towards that middle ground that they have actively been avoiding. Rove and his buddies, they've maintained that staking out ideology over policy is the key to winning, and sadly, they've made that a winning strategy. Even at the cost of actual governance. Campaign finance reform would have cost them dearly, and thus McCain and that old guard cannot be seen as winning much of anything, and are suffered to continue on so long as they can deliver votes on issues, they still have a seat at the table, just not much that they can actually do to get much done. The current Congress doesn't really care all that much for the job, but it's the only way to keep folks from getting into those chairs and doing "damage" to the folks that they've sold their souls to.

Why, yes, I AM bitter about what happened to my party...
 
2013-06-03 11:25:18 AM  

trotsky: dickfreckle: hubiestubert: Embrasure of rhetoric over facts and substantive policy are killing politics in this country

Many people have a Pavlovian response to bumper sticker politics. That's why it's so easy to dupe them with phrases and flags while not providing any substantive value.

I understand that Dems can be guilty of this, too, but to nowhere near the extreme as 'conservatives.' They appear to exist on the cheap appeal to base fears.Can you recall anything other than Obama's campaign slogan that was designed to be a mantra? 'Conservatives' these days package everything for quick consumption.

The worst I see on a Lefty-mobile usually involves "End this War" in reference to Iraq and something about the Environment,. "Conservative-mobiles" usually advocate killing liberals and brown people, as well as advertising the love they have for their shiatty, sub-par AR-15 clones. Of course, the new rightie code word if "Zombie".

As for Jonah Goldberg, christ, what an asshole.


Meh, both sides are bad. Now the fact this line is brought out mostly to downplay the right's fark-ups is merely coincidence.
 
2013-06-03 11:30:32 AM  

RobertBruce: Exactly why I've always found the liberal love for JFK very strange.


Kennedy cut the top rate (which was then snagging more people than it initially did) from 90%. Not all rate cuts are created equal.

// his escalation of Vietnam is the big sticking point for many modern liberals - hardly hawkish for the time (we didn't nuke them)
// and Kennedy had actually served, meaning I'd trust his military judgement over the 4-F's from 2003 any day
 
2013-06-03 11:40:01 AM  

hubiestubert: Why, yes, I AM bitter about what happened to my party...


why? literally 100% of your views are in line with the democrats and have been as long as I've seen you post

is it just embarrassing to be known as a "liberal? I mean there has been a decades long media campaign to demonize the word so I get it
 
2013-06-03 11:54:45 AM  

hubiestubert: Bob Dole was not perfect, but he deserves a lot better than this. Then again, he deserved better for falling on his sword going against Clinton too. This is the claptrap that alienated me from the party. Embrasure of rhetoric over facts and substantive policy are killing politics in this country, and pieces like this only remind me that the rot within the GOP is not just affecting the party, but the discussion of any substantive issues or our ability to deal with them.


I'd agree with you, but do you remember his column that triggers this?  Half of it was how the GOP needs to change and Reagan would never make it today.  The other half was how it was all entirely Obama's fault for being the libiest liberal to ever lib liberalism and being such an extreme liberal and for refusing to even talk to Republicans even at social events and HE'S SUCH A farkING LIBERAL.

hubiestubert: In part, we can sort of blame Clinton for the rise of the party in its current form, because his move towards the middle, forced the party to head more towards the extreme right, just to differentiate themselves from Clinton and the Democrats.


No one forced the Republicans to the right.  They did that willingly and they've been doing it for decades.
 
2013-06-03 11:55:10 AM  
FTA:

But this, too, has more poetic license than people realize. After all, a candidate who kept insisting that we should roll back the Soviet Union wouldn't be greeted as a man of unbending principle, but as a loon. The Soviet Union is gone. The world has moved on. The issues have changed.

============

I guess someone should have told that to Romney and his security advisers?

/ it's NRO
// it's Goldberg
 
2013-06-03 11:59:57 AM  

GitOffaMyLawn: I guess someone should have told that to Romney and his security advisers?

/ it's NRO
// it's Goldberg


Loved how the same people made the same mistakes in both 2008 and 2012.  The Republicans just can't get over in their minds that the Soviet Union is gone.
 
2013-06-03 12:07:00 PM  

Dr Dreidel: // his escalation of Vietnam is the big sticking point for many modern liberals - hardly hawkish for the time (we didn't nuke them)


True although I'm trying to think of a Democratic President who wouldn't have been considered a hawk by liberal standards.  Even Carter set the groundwork for military force that Reagan later used.
 
2013-06-03 12:19:46 PM  

FlashHarry: hubiestubert: This is the claptrap that alienated me from the party. Embrasure of rhetoric over facts and substantive policy are killing politics in this country, and pieces like this only remind me that the rot within the GOP is not just affecting the party, but the discussion of any substantive issues or our ability to deal with them.

you can trace it back to the republican takeover of congress in '94 and people like frank luntz (for whom a special circle of hell is being created, i'm sure) who seized on rhetoric as the prime mover of elections. add to that the advent of fox news in '96 and its effect on the media in general, shifting the paradigm to one in which both sides of the argument, no matter how vile, false or inflammatory, must be presented without comment, lest there be any cries of bias (yet somehow allowing themselves to be vile, false AND inflammatory at the same time).

it's sort of a perfect storm atop bullshiat mountain that helped push the GOP to prominence in the early 2000s, but will eventually be their undoing by making them the crazy old racist party.


I've also tied it to 94 and the grand Gingrich modus operandi: when you can't beat them on policy or ideas, then by any means necessary, try to destroy their character.
 
2013-06-03 12:21:27 PM  

RobertBruce: Exactly why I've always found the liberal love for JFK very strange.


I'll bet. You and Jonah Goldberg.

JFK is hugely popular with the general public. Hardly surprising that Republicans now try to claim him as conservative.
They do the same with MLK.
 
2013-06-03 12:22:17 PM  

NuttierThanEver: If NRO can be compared to an enormous dung heap, and I think you'll concede that it can, then Jonah Goldberg is the largest ugliest weed growing out of it. I wouldn't trust him to sit the right way on a toilet seat.


That line has always cracked me up. WTF is that from?

/needs to be used more often, IMHO
 
2013-06-03 12:25:55 PM  

Fart_Machine: Dr Dreidel: // his escalation of Vietnam is the big sticking point for many modern liberals - hardly hawkish for the time (we didn't nuke them)

True although I'm trying to think of a Democratic President who wouldn't have been considered a hawk by liberal standards.  Even Carter set the groundwork for military force that Reagan later used.


As a doctrine, protecting US interests (oil) is not a bad idea, in and of itself. The way most presidents have gone about it is, of course, a different story.

"Hawkery", as a construct, has moved steadily rightward ever since Vietnam put the lie to "just kill them all; what's the problem?" and other regions' peaceful revolutions/diplomacy have yielded positive results.

// and now someone will tell me that Vietnam woulda been better if we killed everyone with eye-opening narrower than Tommy Chong's on Friday night, and that diplomacy is the reason we still have terrorism, liberals and syphilis
 
2013-06-03 12:31:00 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: RobertBruce: Exactly why I've always found the liberal love for JFK very strange.

I'll bet. You and Jonah Goldberg.

JFK is hugely popular with the general public. Hardly surprising that Republicans now try to claim him as conservative.
They do the same with MLK.


And Lincoln.
 
2013-06-03 12:37:06 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: NuttierThanEver: If NRO can be compared to an enormous dung heap, and I think you'll concede that it can, then Jonah Goldberg is the largest ugliest weed growing out of it. I wouldn't trust him to sit the right way on a toilet seat.

That line has always cracked me up. WTF is that from?

/needs to be used more often, IMHO


Shamelessly stolen from Rowan Atkinson
 
2013-06-03 12:47:51 PM  
The Doughy Pantload is besmirching a wounded warrior from the Greatest Generation? But of course he is.
 
2013-06-03 01:19:09 PM  

Fart_Machine: Dr Dreidel: // his escalation of Vietnam is the big sticking point for many modern liberals - hardly hawkish for the time (we didn't nuke them)

True although I'm trying to think of a Democratic President who wouldn't have been considered a hawk by liberal standards.  Even Carter set the groundwork for military force that Reagan later used.


Carter sent Delta Force into Iran, to rescue the U.S. embassy hostage. the raid was a disaster, but he made the call.

Reagan tried to portray Carter was weak on defense because Carter tried to kill the B-1 bomber. allegedly, Carter was told about the promising results of early tests of stealth technology, something that made the B-1 obsolete before its first flight.

There's rumors Reagn knew it too, but knew Carter wouldn't leak such as classified project.
 
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