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(Washington Post)   Turns out that not all single mothers are like Murphy Brown   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2013-06-03 08:45:10 AM  
 
2013-06-03 09:17:04 AM  
Annoying and looking more that a little like a dude in a wig?
 
2013-06-03 09:30:11 AM  
"Recent demographic shifts show women gaining supremacy across a spectrum of quantitative measures, including education and employment.Women outnumber men in college and in most graduate fields."

But not in science, technology, engineering and math degrees which is where all of the jobs are, where the job stability is, and wherethe new intellectual property (ie, future job creating stuff) is. The demographic trends have been exclusively in the US, not in Canada/Australia/Japan/Eu where the 'lets spend money on fake university educations to keep kids off the job market' has resulted in lots of Mickey Mouse degrees.

"Increasingly, owing in part to the recession and job loss in historically male-dominated fields, they are surpassing men as wage-earners, though women still lag behind at the highest income and executive levels."

Traditional fields are becoming low-skilled jobs due to robotics/power assist. Moreover, women don't tend to start STEM companies, which is where the higher earnings and growth are, and higher risk.  Lo and behold, if you don't take risks, you do not get the top jobs. The top jobs are few and far between and the top dogs compete for these Veblen positions as they yield status and compensation. You may not like the reasons, but there's a predictability to it.  (There's a big down side to it as 95+ per cent of people killed on the job are men. That sucks big time.)
 
2013-06-03 10:04:08 AM  
"Why do we need men?"

So you have someone to give that sammich to
 
2013-06-03 10:04:14 AM  
You mean not all single mothers want to date Henry Kissinger?
 
2013-06-03 10:05:47 AM  

gaslight: "Increasingly, owing in part to the recession and job loss in historically male-dominated fields, they are surpassing men as wage-earners, though women still lag behind at the highest income and executive levels."

Traditional fields are becoming low-skilled jobs due to robotics/power assist. Moreover, women don't tend to start STEM companies, which is where the higher earnings and growth are, and higher risk.  Lo and behold, if you don't take risks, you do not get the top jobs. The top jobs are few and far between and the top dogs compete for these Veblen positions as they yield status and compensation. You may not like the reasons, but there's a predictability to it.  (There's a big down side to it as 95+ per cent of people killed on the job are men. That sucks big time.)


People with STEM degrees do not dominate executive positions.
 
2013-06-03 10:05:49 AM  
 Obviously, I'm on that treadmill myself. I've raised three children while working (mostly self-employed and briefly as a single mom).

The Conservative Movement: "No, no, no!!!! I said, 'Do as I say, not as I do!!!!"'
 
2013-06-03 10:05:57 AM  
The sitcom from the early 90s? Who is going to get that?
 
2013-06-03 10:08:49 AM  
And sadly these days, where is he?

Obviously it's women's fault if men walk out on their families. Damn feminism.
 
2013-06-03 10:08:50 AM  
Not all single mothers are 67-years-old? Go figure.
 
2013-06-03 10:09:49 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: The sitcom from the early 90s? Who is going to get that?


Blah blah blah John Sanunu.
Blah blah blah blah Tipper Gore.
Hey Murph, you can't blah blah the Ayatola.
Blah blah, Desmond Tutu, blah blah.

/Straight from memory.
//Sorry for the spelling.
 
2013-06-03 10:11:14 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Obviously it's women's fault if men walk out on their families. Damn feminism.


And if its something we know around here, it's that
 
2013-06-03 10:11:34 AM  

sweetmelissa31: And sadly these days, where is he?

Obviously it's women's fault if men walk out on their families. Damn feminism.


No, it's always the man's fault.  *ALWAYS*.  Stupid patriarchal society.
 
2013-06-03 10:11:56 AM  

sweetmelissa31: And sadly these days, where is he?

Obviously it's women's fault if men walk out on their families. Damn feminism.


Being vilified doesn't bother me all that much as long as I can still write my name in pee in the snow.

...I'm a simple man that way.
 
2013-06-03 10:12:55 AM  
So what's the next step? We've thrown off the shackles of patriarchal domination. When will prosperity dominate?
 
2013-06-03 10:15:46 AM  
That article was worthless.  What I mean by that is that it defends an overwhelmingly mainstream position as a rebellious stance.  It's unnecessary.

You might as well argue for the cuteness of puppies or the deliciousness of ice cream.
 
2013-06-03 10:17:55 AM  

sweetmelissa31: And sadly these days, where is he?

Obviously it's women's fault if men walk out on their families. Damn feminism.


It was my fault. I insisted he stop drinking. Lord, I'm too demanding

/yes, I was stupid for putting up with him to begin with, I don't deny that at all.
 
2013-06-03 10:21:37 AM  
 
2013-06-03 10:22:07 AM  

QueenMamaBee: sweetmelissa31: And sadly these days, where is he?

Obviously it's women's fault if men walk out on their families. Damn feminism.

It was my fault. I insisted he stop drinking. Lord, I'm too demanding

/yes, I was stupid for putting up with him to begin with, I don't deny that at all.


As long as you admit you have a problem.
 
2013-06-03 10:22:57 AM  

dittybopper: No, it's always the man's fault. *ALWAYS*. Stupid patriarchal society.


If you walk out on your family, it is your fault. Get a divorce, but take care of your kids.
 
2013-06-03 10:23:03 AM  

StopLurkListen: The world would be better served if she never again had another word published.


She was on CNN for a while, which is pretty much like that.
 
2013-06-03 10:24:31 AM  

sweetmelissa31: dittybopper: No, it's always the man's fault. *ALWAYS*. Stupid patriarchal society.

If you walk out on your family, it is your fault. Get a divorce, but take care of your kids.


No way, they probably weren't even mine to begin with!
 
2013-06-03 10:25:44 AM  

sweetmelissa31: dittybopper: No, it's always the man's fault. *ALWAYS*. Stupid patriarchal society.

If you walk out on your family, it is your fault. Get a divorce, but take care of your kids.


Yes, and women never, ever do that.   And women never, ever try to use the children against the father.  Nor do they ever make false accusations, or resort to physical violence.  It just doesn't happen.

/That's sarcasm, btw.
 
2013-06-03 10:26:28 AM  
Some farkers have explained from their own experience that they are seeing a surprising number of women choosing to be single mothers via adoption or through visiting the sperm bank.  Not sure if there is a trend emerging but perhaps with more time we will see.
 
2013-06-03 10:26:33 AM  
Why do we need men?

Deep dicking.
 
2013-06-03 10:26:43 AM  

sweetmelissa31: dittybopper: No, it's always the man's fault. *ALWAYS*. Stupid patriarchal society.

If you walk out on your family, it is your fault. Get a divorce, but take care of your kids.


Bullshiat.  I named my son Sue and walked out knowing that name would save his ass as he grew up!
 
2013-06-03 10:27:11 AM  

StopLurkListen: Not gonna click. I remember Kathleen Parker:

'Here's a note I got recently from a friend and former Delta Force member, who has been observing American politics from the trenches:


blogs.amctv.com
 
2013-06-03 10:28:29 AM  

Rapmaster2000: That article was worthless.  What I mean by that is that it defends an overwhelmingly mainstream position as a rebellious stance.  It's unnecessary.

You might as well argue for the cuteness of puppies or the deliciousness of ice cream.


But by establishing it as a conservative talking point you can dismiss all arguments in favor of higher salaries for women ("it makes men feel inadequate and drives them away!"), women's health issues ("it makes men unnecessary and drives them away!") or social welfare ("it makes it possible for women to survive without men and so drives them away!"). If involved fatherhood is a conservative virtue, then all liberals, men and women, are by definition anti-family and pro-gay agenda.
 
2013-06-03 10:29:41 AM  
single mothers are more likely to be younger, black or Hispanic, and less educated, according to Pew, and they have a median family income of $23,000.

They didn't choose it.

In those families where married women earn more than their husbands, the woman is more often white, older and college educated and the median household income is $80,000.

They're doing fine.

Tell me again how I'm supposed to view families that a man left behind and families that are doing fine as huge problem for men or an attack on manhood.
 
2013-06-03 10:30:16 AM  

dittybopper: Yes, and women never, ever do that. And women never, ever try to use the children against the father. Nor do they ever make false accusations, or resort to physical violence. It just doesn't happen.


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2013-06-03 10:30:34 AM  

dittybopper: sweetmelissa31: dittybopper: No, it's always the man's fault. *ALWAYS*. Stupid patriarchal society.

If you walk out on your family, it is your fault. Get a divorce, but take care of your kids.

Yes, and women never, ever do that.   And women never, ever try to use the children against the father.  Nor do they ever make false accusations, or resort to physical violence.  It just doesn't happen.

/That's sarcasm, btw.


Who claimed women never do any of those things? You sound bitter.
 
2013-06-03 10:30:57 AM  
Nonsense- men have hundreds of uses.  At any rate, a species as complex as ours will always need an auxiliary sex.
 
2013-06-03 10:32:11 AM  

StopLurkListen: Not gonna click. I remember Kathleen Parker:

'Here's a note I got recently from a friend and former Delta Force member, who has been observing American politics from the trenches: "These bastards like Clark and Kerry and that incipient ass, Dean, and Gephardt and Kucinich and that absolute mental midget Sharpton, race baiter, should all be lined up and shot." '

She serves no valuable function in society. She's purely vitriol. The world would be better served if she never again had another word published.


I mostly associate her with me noticing the worrying trend of conservative columnists regretting that females have the right to vote. Granted, it's probably said in jest, but there seems to be a huge amount of self-loathing directed at other women from female conservatives.
 
2013-06-03 10:33:11 AM  
If all goes well in the next few months, my fiancee will out earn me for at least a little while. I apologize for contributing to the collapse of society.
 
2013-06-03 10:33:27 AM  
Contrary to the Hollywood version of single motherhood, a trend that began with Murphy Brown more than 20 years ago,

4.bp.blogspot.com

abcnews.go.com

www.sitcomsonline.com
 
2013-06-03 10:33:56 AM  
So where do I find these women that do everything? I'd like to slack off for a while.
 
2013-06-03 10:35:39 AM  

sweetmelissa31: dittybopper: No, it's always the man's fault. *ALWAYS*. Stupid patriarchal society.

If you walk out on your family, it is your fault. Get a divorce, but take care of your kids.


It's not always the man. I know someone the wife ran away because she wanted to swing and the husband wanted to stay monogamous.
 
2013-06-03 10:37:41 AM  
Philip Francis Queeg:
People with STEM degrees do not dominate executive positions.

No, but the competitive ones do. See my next point.
 
2013-06-03 10:38:13 AM  
I remember getting divorced in the mid 80's. I recall getting my first paycheck after the divorce. I had $10 left after paying child support and my bills. $5 went into the gas tank of my car, the other $5 went for a bag of rice and a bag of beans. Lemme tell you, I was pretty sick of beans and rice by the end of the week. My kid however, ate well that week, and every week after.

You breed 'em, you feed 'em.
 
2013-06-03 10:40:06 AM  

hammer85: QueenMamaBee: sweetmelissa31: And sadly these days, where is he?

Obviously it's women's fault if men walk out on their families. Damn feminism.

It was my fault. I insisted he stop drinking. Lord, I'm too demanding

/yes, I was stupid for putting up with him to begin with, I don't deny that at all.

As long as you admit you have a problem.


Had. Past tense. He's not my problem anymore and I've wised up regarding exactly what I tolerate and what I don't.
 
2013-06-03 10:40:07 AM  

Mrbogey: sweetmelissa31: dittybopper: No, it's always the man's fault. *ALWAYS*. Stupid patriarchal society.

If you walk out on your family, it is your fault. Get a divorce, but take care of your kids.

It's not always the man. I know someone the wife ran away because she wanted to swing and the husband wanted to stay monogamous.


In what alternative world did anyone say it "always the man." Looks like you've got an ax to grind.
 
2013-06-03 10:40:08 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: "Why do we need men?"

So you have someone to give that sammich to


To kill the spider that sent you running and screaming out of the kitchen... and btw that was a dustbunny, you really should clean your kitchen better.
 
2013-06-03 10:41:30 AM  

hammer85: sweetmelissa31: dittybopper: No, it's always the man's fault. *ALWAYS*. Stupid patriarchal society.

If you walk out on your family, it is your fault. Get a divorce, but take care of your kids.

No way, they probably weren't even mine to begin with!


Doesn't matter.  For instance, in my state, even if you can absolutely prove through DNA that the kids aren't yours, even if you divorce you will be on the hook for child support even though they aren't your children.

That's actually irrelevant to me though:  The littlebopper is adopted, and the distaffbopper and I have been married for 18 years now.  Plus, the majority of first-time marriages where both spouses are living make it to 40 years.  That oft-cited "most marriages end in divorce" saw is because serial matrimonialists run up the average by marrying and divorcing several times.
 
2013-06-03 10:42:06 AM  

Saiga410: IdBeCrazyIf: "Why do we need men?"

So you have someone to give that sammich to

To kill the spider that sent you running and screaming out of the kitchen... and btw that was a dustbunny, you really should clean your kitchen better.


THIS.

I have called a male friend of mine or one of my male cousins to kill centipedes and/or cave crickets in my house and basement. Those things scare the fark out of me (the bugs, not my friends and cousins).
 
2013-06-03 10:42:24 AM  
Oh, we'll say "F#$&" in a 30-Rock second, but "father"?

a) I don't think they ever said the F-word on 30 Rock.

b) Liz ended up adopting kids WITH HER PARTNER. The characters who were raised by single mothers -- Jack, Tracy, and Jenna -- were written as neurotic wrecks because of their terrible childhoods.

c) Go home, Kathleen, you're drunk.
 
2013-06-03 10:42:51 AM  

gaslight: Philip Francis Queeg:
People with STEM degrees do not dominate executive positions.

No, but the competitive ones do. See my next point.


And of course women are never competitive due to their frail, timid nature. Biology dictates that they fetch sammiches for the superior male STEM bearing warriors who engage in the toughest of corporate combat.
 
2013-06-03 10:43:20 AM  
Fifteen years from now we'll be arguing over the "unfair advantage" of kids raised in two parent households as they generally seem to do better in school and have higher career aspirations.
 
2013-06-03 10:44:15 AM  

dittybopper: hammer85: sweetmelissa31: dittybopper: No, it's always the man's fault. *ALWAYS*. Stupid patriarchal society.

If you walk out on your family, it is your fault. Get a divorce, but take care of your kids.

No way, they probably weren't even mine to begin with!

Doesn't matter.  For instance, in my state, even if you can absolutely prove through DNA that the kids aren't yours, even if you divorce you will be on the hook for child support even though they aren't your children.

That's actually irrelevant to me though:  The littlebopper is adopted, and the distaffbopper and I have been married for 18 years now.  Plus, the majority of first-time marriages where both spouses are living make it to 40 years.  That oft-cited "most marriages end in divorce" saw is because serial matrimonialists run up the average by marrying and divorcing several times.


I'm well aware.  I thought we were on FARK here?

Saiga410: IdBeCrazyIf: "Why do we need men?"

So you have someone to give that sammich to

To kill the spider that sent you running and screaming out of the kitchen... and btw that was a dustbunny, you really should clean your kitchen better.


Other than that, I'm also needed due to my tallness, which my wife feels is a superpower.  Mainly to turn off the fire alarm that seems to go off everytime she cooks certain foods (our stove is a piece of shiat and the smoke doesn't ventilate properly through the vents and so blows around the kitchen and sets the alarm off in the next room, her cooking is fantastic).
 
2013-06-03 10:46:23 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: dittybopper: sweetmelissa31: dittybopper: No, it's always the man's fault. *ALWAYS*. Stupid patriarchal society.

If you walk out on your family, it is your fault. Get a divorce, but take care of your kids.

Yes, and women never, ever do that.   And women never, ever try to use the children against the father.  Nor do they ever make false accusations, or resort to physical violence.  It just doesn't happen.

/That's sarcasm, btw.

Who claimed women never do any of those things? You sound bitter.


Actually, I'm not.  As I point out, I've been married for 18 years now (we've been together for 21 years).

I was replying to sweetmelissa31, who seems to have been taking the easy road of "men are bad".  So I was adding a bit of yin to the thread to counteract her yang.
 
2013-06-03 10:47:27 AM  

dittybopper: Plus, the majority of first-time marriages where both spouses are living make it to 40 years.


What about first-time marriages where one or both spouses are not living?
 
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