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2013-06-02 05:06:30 PM
Awesome, a link to an entire episode of This Week.

/Plouffe confronts Rove at 6:30
//not much of a meltdown
 
2013-06-02 05:15:11 PM
'turd-blossom'
 
2013-06-02 05:25:34 PM
yawn
oh wait
the GOP told us that ONLY the dems were bad
 
2013-06-02 05:26:39 PM
well, it is a matter of public record that the IRS investigated PETA for years at the behest of members of congress and their lobbyists
 
2013-06-02 05:29:21 PM
Karl should just get back up on that porch.
 
2013-06-02 05:29:51 PM
Shocking.
 
2013-06-02 05:42:11 PM
I, for one, am looking forward to the outrage from the Farkers who have been on about the Tea Party IRS thing.  I can't wait for them to defend the NAACP and to blast Ham Rove.
 
2013-06-02 05:44:21 PM
The IRS is an equal opportunity douchebagging agency.
 
2013-06-02 05:45:15 PM
Obama never landed on a carrier in a cod piece, therefore your argument is invalid
 
2013-06-02 06:06:56 PM
No surprise there: Karl Rove can't come up with much of anything coherent these days.
 
2013-06-02 06:07:05 PM

edmo: The IRS is an equal opportunity douchebagging agency.


Yep. Citizens United unleashes unlimited cash, and the IRS, with their fixation on where cash comes from and goes to,looks at the most likely recipients. I'm not seeing a conspiracy or scandal here.
 
2013-06-02 06:16:48 PM

i.imgur.com


The linked WaPo article. It seems some Republican constituents were upset that the NAACP ran an ad criticizing the Bush administration. Of course the hilarious part is that the NAACP is about as flabby, spineless and milquetoast a political organization as you would get. They'd find the idea of amassing with signs saying "We came unarmed this time" something out of Malcolm X or Huey P. Newton--practically gasping while clutching their pearls.

 
2013-06-02 06:20:28 PM

simplicimus: the IRS, with their fixation on where cash comes from and goes to,looks at the most likely recipients. I'm not seeing a conspiracy or scandal here.


Given that contributions from foreign sources are still banned (aren't they?) then there is still a responsibility to make sure that political funding does fall within the bounds of whatever remaining legitimacy there is.
 
2013-06-02 06:31:44 PM
His election night meltdown on Faux News is still the greatest example of unintentional comedy since the turn of the century.
 
2013-06-02 06:42:01 PM
Did not WTFV but I imagine he had words, they just didn't make any damn sense to anyone with an IQ over 80.
 
2013-06-02 07:06:54 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

/link farked?
 
2013-06-02 07:08:56 PM
Wow...it's almost as if Karl Rove is a giant pile of maggot-infested feces.

...and it's great to be able to point that out without some coservitard claiming that I only hate him because he's so good at winning.
 
2013-06-02 07:12:53 PM
It's not a problem that the IRS investigated liberal groups - it would only be a problem if the IRS inappropriately targeted them (e.g. because they were liberal).  Similarly, there's no scandal in investigating Tea Party groups; the problem is that the IRS may have disproportionately focused on conservative groups for no legitimate reason.

If the Bush White House singled out the NAACP's social welfare wing to settle a political score, it would be an abuse of power.  But if they also targeted it for non-political reasons, there is no story.

Lastly, there's no reason to think that Obama or the White House are connected to the current IRS chicanery, and trying to make this an "Obama scandal" is going to badly backfire on Republicans who underestimate the president's popularity.
 
2013-06-02 07:20:40 PM
The IRS has a hell of a job to do, and of all our federal agencies, at least from my perspective, is the most reasonable.

This assumes that you have not lied to a Federal agent.

/never ever lie to a Federal agent
//and never talk to one without your lawyer present
///and for all that is holy do not let them into your house
 
2013-06-02 07:21:23 PM
OHIO IS STILL REAL TO HIM, DAMN IT!
 
2013-06-02 07:25:02 PM
CSB: A few years ago, I had the chance to meet Karl Rove and talk to him for a few hours.  No politics here: he's shockingly charismatic in person.  One of the most gifted raconteurs I've ever met.  He has a terrific memory (remembered me over a year later, and wrote me a kind letter with details that most people would have forgotten) and a lighting-quick wit, but he didn't seem at all assuming.

I'm pretty sure that most of the TV stuff is a shtick.  He's really, really smart.
 
2013-06-02 07:27:27 PM

Captain Dan: CSB: A few years ago, I had the chance to meet Karl Rove and talk to him for a few hours.  No politics here: he's shockingly charismatic in person.  One of the most gifted raconteurs I've ever met.  He has a terrific memory (remembered me over a year later, and wrote me a kind letter with details that most people would have forgotten) and a lighting-quick wit, but he didn't seem at all assuming.

I'm pretty sure that most of the TV stuff is a shtick.  He's really, really smart.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, and he's also an evil asshole who helped the Bush Administration use the Constitution the way most people use Charmin.  Bond villains tell great stories, too.
 
2013-06-02 07:33:06 PM

gimmegimme: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, and he's also an evil asshole who helped the Bush Administration use the Constitution the way most people use Charmin.  Bond villains tell great stories, too.


I was casting no judgment on his character - I think he's basically a ruthless, ends-justify-the-means political operative who stands out because he's unusually good at his job.

But, God damn, the man can tell a story.  You'd be amazed.
 
2013-06-02 07:33:16 PM
Well you see, they are BLACK and they have money. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out crime must be involved.
 
2013-06-02 07:34:17 PM

Captain Dan: gimmegimme: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, and he's also an evil asshole who helped the Bush Administration use the Constitution the way most people use Charmin.  Bond villains tell great stories, too.

I was casting no judgment on his character - I think he's basically a ruthless, ends-justify-the-means political operative who stands out because he's unusually good at his job.

But, God damn, the man can tell a story.  You'd be amazed.


I believe you.  I guess I would just make the personal choice to avoid traitors.  I can totally see the appeal of talking with him and trying to pretend he's a human being so you can see what makes him tick.
 
2013-06-02 07:39:36 PM

Captain Dan: CSB: A few years ago, I had the chance to meet Karl Rove and talk to him for a few hours.  No politics here: he's shockingly charismatic in person.  One of the most gifted raconteurs I've ever met.  He has a terrific memory (remembered me over a year later, and wrote me a kind letter with details that most people would have forgotten) and a lighting-quick wit, but he didn't seem at all assuming.

I'm pretty sure that most of the TV stuff is a shtick.  He's really, really smart.


Nice try, Karl
 
2013-06-02 07:46:06 PM

gimmegimme: I believe you.  I guess I would just make the personal choice to avoid traitors.  I can totally see the appeal of talking with him and trying to pretend he's a human being so you can see what makes him tick.


If you hate someone to the point of illegitimatizing ("traitor") and dehumanizing ("pretend he's a human being") him, you need to take a break from politics.  I'd say the same to any Republican deranged by Obama hatred.  Taking politics seriously is not worth the mental illness and warping that it inflicts on some people.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Nice try, Karl

Ha.
 
2013-06-02 07:46:44 PM

Captain Dan: gimmegimme: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, and he's also an evil asshole who helped the Bush Administration use the Constitution the way most people use Charmin.  Bond villains tell great stories, too.

I was casting no judgment on his character - I think he's basically a ruthless, ends-justify-the-means political operative who stands out because he's unusually good at his job.

But, God damn, the man can tell a story.  You'd be amazed.



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Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfarker. Rove sleeps and roots in shiat. That's a filthy animal. I ain't eat nothin' that ain't got sense enough to disregard its own feces.
 
2013-06-02 07:49:45 PM

Captain Dan: gimmegimme: I believe you.  I guess I would just make the personal choice to avoid traitors.  I can totally see the appeal of talking with him and trying to pretend he's a human being so you can see what makes him tick.

If you hate someone to the point of illegitimatizing ("traitor") and dehumanizing ("pretend he's a human being") him, you need to take a break from politics.  I'd say the same to any Republican deranged by Obama hatred.  Taking politics seriously is not worth the mental illness and warping that it inflicts on some people.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Nice try, Karl

Ha.


You really don't think he's a traitor?  Dehumanizing him requires a little bit of metaphor, but he is a traitor to the country.
 
2013-06-02 07:55:02 PM

gimmegimme: Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfarker.


You'd probably score very high on the purity/sanctity portion of "moral foundation" tests, which is somewhat unusual for a liberal.  I don't view things the same way.

I'd eat a sewer rat's ball sack if it tasted like pumpkin pie.  Good pumpkin pie, anyway.  I'm also assuming the ball sack would be reasonable in terms of calories.
 
2013-06-02 07:56:35 PM

Captain Dan: gimmegimme: Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfarker.

You'd probably score very high on the purity/sanctity portion of "moral foundation" tests, which is somewhat unusual for a liberal.  I don't view things the same way.

I'd eat a sewer rat's ball sack if it tasted like pumpkin pie.  Good pumpkin pie, anyway.  I'm also assuming the ball sack would be reasonable in terms of calories.


You're a very understanding person, recently defending that gay bashing preacher, some other guy and Karl Rove.  I'm genuinely curious; what does a person have to do for you to disapprove of them?
 
2013-06-02 08:10:01 PM

gimmegimme: I'm genuinely curious; what does a person have to do for you to disapprove of them?


I dislike very few people, finding that emotion to be unproductive.  I either ignore them or focus on the actions/ideas of theirs that I find disagreeable.
 
2013-06-02 08:29:51 PM
They should've been investigating Jesse Jackson's shakedown operation instead.
 
2013-06-02 08:41:15 PM

Gulper Eel: They should've been investigating Jesse Jackson's shakedown operation instead.


On that, you can find agreement from me and pretty much every black person I have ever known.
 
2013-06-02 08:50:42 PM

Captain Dan: CSB: A few years ago, I had the chance to meet Karl Rove and talk to him for a few hours.  No politics here: he's shockingly charismatic in person.  One of the most gifted raconteurs I've ever met.  He has a terrific memory (remembered me over a year later, and wrote me a kind letter with details that most people would have forgotten) and a lighting-quick wit, but he didn't seem at all assuming.

I'm pretty sure that most of the TV stuff is a shtick.  He's really, really smart.


He's a charismatic psychopath.

Captain Dan: gimmegimme: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, and he's also an evil asshole who helped the Bush Administration use the Constitution the way most people use Charmin.  Bond villains tell great stories, too.

I was casting no judgment on his character - I think he's basically a ruthless, ends-justify-the-means political operative who stands out because he's unusually good at his job.

But, God damn, the man can tell a story.  You'd be amazed.


He's a charismatic psychopath. It's well documented phenomenon and not particularly surprising in the case of a man with the evident moral failings of Rove.
 
2013-06-02 08:55:58 PM

Tigger: Captain Dan: CSB: A few years ago, I had the chance to meet Karl Rove and talk to him for a few hours.  No politics here: he's shockingly charismatic in person.  One of the most gifted raconteurs I've ever met.  He has a terrific memory (remembered me over a year later, and wrote me a kind letter with details that most people would have forgotten) and a lighting-quick wit, but he didn't seem at all assuming.

I'm pretty sure that most of the TV stuff is a shtick.  He's really, really smart.

He's a charismatic psychopath. Captain Dan: gimmegimme: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, and he's also an evil asshole who helped the Bush Administration use the Constitution the way most people use Charmin.  Bond villains tell great stories, too.

I was casting no judgment on his character - I think he's basically a ruthless, ends-justify-the-means political operative who stands out because he's unusually good at his job.

But, God damn, the man can tell a story.  You'd be amazed.

He's a charismatic psychopath. It's well documented phenomenon and not particularly surprising in the case of a man with the evident moral failings of Rove.


It's his intellect and charisma that feeds his conviction that the ends justify the means.  He's 'smarter' than the rest the GOP, and he'll lead them to the Promised Land if ONLY THEY WOULD DO WHAT HE SAID.
 
2013-06-02 08:56:14 PM
Huh, well if both sides use the IRS as a cudgel, it must be OK.

Unless both sides are bad.
 
2013-06-02 08:58:06 PM

edmo: The IRS is an equal opportunity douchebagging agency.


This.

I cringe a bit whenever I see either side defending them.
 
2013-06-02 09:01:15 PM

gimmegimme: I, for one, am looking forward to the outrage from the Farkers who have been on about the Tea Party IRS thing.  I can't wait for them to defend the NAACP and to blast Ham Rove.


I'm sure it's got nothing to do with their tax status and the name of their organization or their decidedly left-leaning tendencies.
 
2013-06-02 09:01:42 PM

Infernalist: Tigger: Captain Dan: CSB: A few years ago, I had the chance to meet Karl Rove and talk to him for a few hours.  No politics here: he's shockingly charismatic in person.  One of the most gifted raconteurs I've ever met.  He has a terrific memory (remembered me over a year later, and wrote me a kind letter with details that most people would have forgotten) and a lighting-quick wit, but he didn't seem at all assuming.

I'm pretty sure that most of the TV stuff is a shtick.  He's really, really smart.

He's a charismatic psychopath. Captain Dan: gimmegimme: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, and he's also an evil asshole who helped the Bush Administration use the Constitution the way most people use Charmin.  Bond villains tell great stories, too.

I was casting no judgment on his character - I think he's basically a ruthless, ends-justify-the-means political operative who stands out because he's unusually good at his job.

But, God damn, the man can tell a story.  You'd be amazed.

He's a charismatic psychopath. It's well documented phenomenon and not particularly surprising in the case of a man with the evident moral failings of Rove.

It's his intellect and charisma that feeds his conviction that the ends justify the means.  He's 'smarter' than the rest the GOP, and he'll lead them to the Promised Land if ONLY THEY WOULD DO WHAT HE SAID.


It's the other way around. He's a psychopath first. Because he has intellect he's a successful psychopath. If he were dumb as rocks he'd be in prison for <insert random crime here>

These people aren't hard to identify.
 
2013-06-02 09:08:48 PM

fatalvenom: His election night meltdown on Faux News is still the greatest example of unintentional comedy since the turn of the century.


This.  That...was awesome.
 
2013-06-02 09:10:04 PM
ROVE: No. No. I think people sitting in Cincinnati, Laguna Niguel, Baltimore and Washington, D.C. listen to people like Senator Max Baucus, Senator Chuck Schumer. President Obama - when President Obama goes out in 2008 and - 2010 and calls these groups, quote "A threat to the democracy.", he's - he's blowing the dog whistle, and people heard it.

Wait, what?

Did I just hear hear Karl "McCain's black babby" Rove accuse Obama of blowing the dog whistle?

Oh, right, the first rule of Rovian politics states that you must accuse your political opponents of your own worst faults.

Forgot that for a sec. Carry on.

Oh, and I would kinda like to point out that Obama was correct in that allowing corporate speech to dominate the electoral process as the 501 (c)4s have been allowed to do is a very real threat to democracy.
 
2013-06-02 09:14:29 PM

gimmegimme: I, for one, am looking forward to the outrage from the Farkers who have been on about the Tea Party IRS thing.  I can't wait for them to defend the NAACP and to blast Ham Rove.


ehhh, far as I know/can tell, naacp for the blacks is analogous to what feminism is for the womens.
 
2013-06-02 09:22:11 PM
What's this, Bush?

Everyone is automatically cleared!
 
2013-06-02 09:22:51 PM

Dr. Goldshnoz: gimmegimme: I, for one, am looking forward to the outrage from the Farkers who have been on about the Tea Party IRS thing.  I can't wait for them to defend the NAACP and to blast Ham Rove.

ehhh, far as I know/can tell, naacp for the blacks is analogous to what feminism is for the womens.


Really?  I disagree; I don't really have any problems with the NAACP.  And I don't have problems with feminism until you start getting into specific positions and factions within the movement.

The NAACP is one real, tangible organization.  "Feminism" means different things to different people.
 
2013-06-02 09:24:49 PM

Keyser_Soze_Death: I cringe a bit whenever I see either side defending them.


pfft, who needs roads, amirite?
 
2013-06-02 09:24:50 PM

Marcus Aurelius: The IRS has a hell of a job to do, and of all our federal agencies, at least from my perspective, is the most reasonable.

This assumes that you have not lied to a Federal agent.

/never ever lie to a Federal agent
//and never talk to one without your lawyer present
///and for all that is holy do not let them into your house


that last slashie is great.

csb: old man knew a guy who got audited once and set about making a hellish game of it for the auditors.

he first refused to go to their offices as it wasn't required, just kinda expected.

he then after making them go to his place and sort his documents, refused to let them take said documents from the property.


they came back again, this time with a copier machine and he asked "you cant steal my electricity, where are you going to plug it in?"

in the end they threw their hands in the air and decided there was easier ways of doing their jobs.

/WINNING.
 
2013-06-02 09:27:59 PM

Captain Dan: Similarly, there's no scandal in investigating Tea Party groups; the problem is that the IRS may have disproportionately focused on conservative groups for no legitimate reason.


"No legitimate reason" being the IRS looking extra closely at groups that have historically been very vocal about paying taxes, and they are vying for tax-exempt status. Sounds legitimate to me -- why wouldn't the IRS look a little more closely into that?

It's like the FBI looking very closely into fringe survival and militia groups advocating assassinating the President.

It's kinda like racial profiling, only for anti-government dumbasses.

I still don't understand how it's a scandal.
 
2013-06-02 09:29:39 PM

Dr. Goldshnoz: Marcus Aurelius: The IRS has a hell of a job to do, and of all our federal agencies, at least from my perspective, is the most reasonable.

This assumes that you have not lied to a Federal agent.

/never ever lie to a Federal agent
//and never talk to one without your lawyer present
///and for all that is holy do not let them into your house

that last slashie is great.

csb: old man knew a guy who got audited once and set about making a hellish game of it for the auditors.

he first refused to go to their offices as it wasn't required, just kinda expected.

he then after making them go to his place and sort his documents, refused to let them take said documents from the property.


they came back again, this time with a copier machine and he asked "you cant steal my electricity, where are you going to plug it in?"

in the end they threw their hands in the air and decided there was easier ways of doing their jobs.

/WINNING.


Looks like he smacked them down with his big brass balls.
 
2013-06-02 09:39:40 PM

TalenLee: Keyser_Soze_Death: I cringe a bit whenever I see either side defending them.

pfft, who needs roads, amirite?


The derp is strong in you young Padawan.
 
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