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2013-06-02 09:28:54 PM  

catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?


You are correct that under a stand of trees is safer than in the middle of the field, provided you are not under the tallest trees. But this is "safer", not safe. Cars are generally safe. But let's not distract people from their outrage fix.
 
2013-06-02 09:29:26 PM  

catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?


The best thing to do is hide in the nearest body of water.
 
2013-06-02 09:29:47 PM  

the_chief: Shoulda called the cops and had the coaches arrested for child endangerment.


Unless the league has it in it's written laws the reasons why they can kick out someone or ask them to leave, the police would have kindly told them to shut up and play soccer.
 
2013-06-02 09:30:09 PM  
Nothing like the combination of arrogance and stupidity to make one hate humanity that much more.
 
2013-06-02 09:30:51 PM  
Was looking for examples of  people under trees who were struck by lightning when I found this  one about a guy on a motorcycle who took a bolt through his penis.

Doctors said there would be "no lasting effects."
 
2013-06-02 09:32:03 PM  

MooseUpNorth: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one.

Consider yourself corrected.


http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/outdoors.htm
These actions may slightly reduce your risk of being struck by lightning:
Avoid open fields, the top of a hill or a ridge top.Stay away from tall, isolated trees or other tall objects. If you are in a forest, stay near a lower stand of trees.
 
2013-06-02 09:33:06 PM  

Firebelle: People are idiots. A few years ago, I was in Walmart (don't judge me) when a massive thunderstorm rolled in. The sky was dark and the rain was pouring in sheets as I checked out, so I ended up standing by the front windows with other shoppers waiting for it to let up. We all watched as a tall industrial tower across the street was struck by lightning twice in a row, with a collective "whoa!" from the little crowd each time.

And right in the middle of that, a manager appeared with a very worried-looking teen girl and a giant patio umbrella with a metal pole. He was ordering her to walk people to their cars with it, and when she tried to protest, he jumped down her throat about doing her job.

Several customers and I lit into him to basically say, "No, you farkwit, nobody is walking across the flat, open parking lot carrying a long metal pole in a lightning storm." We finally managed to get him to back off of his cunning plan, but he wasn't happy about it.


Good.
 
2013-06-02 09:33:19 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Was looking for examples of  people under trees who were struck by lightning when I found this  one about a guy on a motorcycle who took a bolt through his penis.

Doctors said there would be "no lasting effects."


Except bragging rights.
 
2013-06-02 09:33:39 PM  
Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?
 
2013-06-02 09:35:57 PM  

pippi longstocking: Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?


Since Ottawa was annexed by New York.
 
2013-06-02 09:36:53 PM  

pippi longstocking: Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?


An Ottawa mom is outraged after being kicked off a soccer field because she and her son wouldn't take shelter under trees during a thunderstorm.

RTFA
 
2013-06-02 09:37:00 PM  

MagSeven: On one hand, she is awesome for maintaining most of the common sense that seems to leak out of people's heads when they need it most, but on the other, she named her kid "Noa".  Eh. I'm still in your corner "refused to become a lightning-rod" lady!


Don't be concerned about the name. By her name she sounds Portuguese and Noa is a Spanish/Portguese name.

I've seen a cow that got hit under a tree after a storm. Wasn't dead but...melted eyeball and crippled.
 
2013-06-02 09:38:02 PM  

J Noble Daggett: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?

You are correct that under a stand of trees is safer than in the middle of the field, provided you are not under the tallest trees. But this is "safer", not safe. Cars are generally safe. But let's not distract people from their outrage fix.


Unless your being an arse like me your wrong.  If your within range of the root structure your still toast, and root structures are interconnected.  Lay flat on the ground away from trees if you can't quickly move to a safe shelter.
 
2013-06-02 09:40:06 PM  

pippi longstocking: Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?


And all this time I didn't need to show my passport when going to Ottawa? DAMMIT!
 
2013-06-02 09:40:53 PM  

MooseUpNorth: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one.

Consider yourself corrected.


NOAA would like a word with you--catmandu is correct, provided there is no alternative (buildings, cars) for cover and the trees are low to the ground.

Ishkur: You're fine in the middle of a flat field during a lighting storm.

Just keep your feet together so you stay grounded.

/that is, if you don't have a car


And with you.


http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/outdoors.htm#near

These actions may  slightly reduce your risk of being struck by lightning:

Avoid open fields, the top of a hill or a ridge top.Stay away from tall, isolated trees or other tall objects. If you are in a forest, stay near a lower stand of trees.
Coaches were farking idiots and should be fired: Mom was also an idiot for standing around in an open field and not taking Junior straight to the car. From NOAA's outdoor sports guide:

No place OUTSIDE is safe in or near a thunderstorm. Stop what you are doing and get to a safe place immediately.  Small outdoor buildings including dugouts, rain shelters, sheds, etc., are NOT SAFE. Substantial buildings with wiring and plumbing are the safest places. Office buildings, schools, and homes offer good protection. Once inside, stay away from windows and doors and anything that conducts electricity such as corded phones, wiring, plumbing, and anything connected to these.

hard-topped metal vehicle with the windows closed also provides good protection. Avoid contact with metal in the vehicle and try to keep away from windows.
 
 
2013-06-02 09:41:48 PM  
Tried posting on their facebook page but they seem to be deleting anything slightly negative.
 
2013-06-02 09:43:05 PM  
If you're caught out in a thunderstorm, just grab a one-iron and hold it up. Not even God can hit one of those things.

latimesblogs.latimes.com
 
2013-06-02 09:43:30 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: pippi longstocking: Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?

Since Ottawa was annexed by New York.


To be fair, a friend of mine from Ottawa has described the place as filled with civil servants, mindlessly rule following nitwits, political reactionaries, and drunk weirdos.
 
2013-06-02 09:44:12 PM  

eventhelosers: J Noble Daggett: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?

You are correct that under a stand of trees is safer than in the middle of the field, provided you are not under the tallest trees. But this is "safer", not safe. Cars are generally safe. But let's not distract people from their outrage fix.

Unless your being an arse like me your wrong.  If your within range of the root structure your still toast, and root structures are interconnected.  Lay flat on the ground away from trees if you can't quickly move to a safe shelter.


The roots are grounded. In the sense of being in the farking ground.

Smartest thing is indeed to wait in a car. Then you're also sheltered from wind and rain. Under trees, you're still going to get soaked if a heavy straight-line wind comes up (which we had in Ontario during this recent batch of storms).

And living across from a soccer field I can safely say, if it's one thing you'll find a farkton of at a kid's soccer game, it's cars. Vans even.
 
2013-06-02 09:44:43 PM  

FunkOut: The_Original_Roxtar: pippi longstocking: Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?

Since Ottawa was annexed by New York.

To be fair, a friend of mine from Ottawa has described the place as filled with civil servants, mindlessly rule following nitwits, political reactionaries, and drunk weirdos.


So just like everywhere else?
 
2013-06-02 09:44:58 PM  

catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?


Sheltering under a stand of low trees is safer than standing in a field, but on a good day a lightning strike can kill everything that isn't grounded for a mile or so around.
 
2013-06-02 09:45:58 PM  

Ishkur: You're fine in the middle of a flat field during a lighting storm.

Just keep your feet together so you stay grounded.

/that is, if you don't have a car


It will can only hit you if you  are grounded. Rubber tires make good insulators.
 
2013-06-02 09:46:10 PM  
At the golf course where I worked as a teenage, one golfer tried to take this course of action during a particularly bad storm, and sure enough lightning hit the tree he took cover under.  Fortunately he only suffered minor injuries, and I got to hear him tell us about what it was like being hit by lightning.  Also fortunately nobody I knew tried that again.
 
2013-06-02 09:46:12 PM  

FunkOut: The_Original_Roxtar: pippi longstocking: Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?

Since Ottawa was annexed by New York.

To be fair, a friend of mine from Ottawa has described the place as filled with civil servants, mindlessly rule following nitwits, political reactionaries, and drunk weirdos.


That's true. But also a lot of hot single girls.
 
2013-06-02 09:46:32 PM  

dogboy360: Amusement: When lightening hits a tree it's like a frag grenade.  Creating wood splinters because it has a resistance to electricity.  Prefer sitting in a car during a lightning storm.  Just don't touch anything metal.

Touching metal in the car won't hurt you in a lightning strike. Lightning is a surface effect. A live wire laying across your car means don't touch any metal.

/no it is not the rubber tires that protect you in you car, it is the metal.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve6XGKZxYxA  2:58 seconds into video.  Enjoy education.
 
2013-06-02 09:46:50 PM  
Could they have found a more unflattering angle for that photo?
 
Ral
2013-06-02 09:48:45 PM  
<i>"Next think you know I have four or five of them (coaches) around me," she said. "None of them were listening, they kept asking 'are you above the law'?" </i>

They sound like Scientologists.

/what are your crimes?
 
2013-06-02 09:49:03 PM  
CSB time:

When I was in 9th grade, we went on a class field trip to some lake (just for the day). In the middle of the field trip, a big lightning storm rolls in. So my SCIENCE teacher (Chemistry, but still) tells us to go stand under the tall, lonely tree. I do for about 3 seconds, and then remember "idiot, that's NOT where you're supposed to be!"
So I took off running (for about 1 mile) towards better shelter. I was a real fatty then, so the only way I made it was through pure adrenaline. Everybody thought I was a dumbass, only because they got lucky and DIDN'T get struck by lightning.

/CSB time

/Now a meteorologist
 
2013-06-02 09:54:09 PM  

hershy799: /Now a meteorologist


THAT made it the best CSB in recent memory
 
2013-06-02 09:54:50 PM  
"The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right."

Mark Twain
 
2013-06-02 09:57:19 PM  
http://southkeysgreenboro.com/contact/

If you'd like to tell them how stupid they are directly. this appears to be their website.
 
2013-06-02 09:57:26 PM  
catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?

That is what we were told in a wilderness survival class. (Cool class, had to make an effective atlatl with the items I had on me to pass)
 
2013-06-02 09:59:43 PM  

jaytkay: hershy799: /Now a meteorologist

THAT made it the best CSB in recent memory


Really? That's not what got me into the field -- I wanted to be a meteorologist since I was like 3. Seriously.
 
2013-06-02 10:02:20 PM  
As for one who was punished for his stupidity and ignorance by his Lightening Overloads, this simpleton will never tempt their wrath again and will follow follow best practices to not attract their attention.
 
2013-06-02 10:04:35 PM  

Firebelle: People are idiots. A few years ago, I was in Walmart (don't judge me) when a massive thunderstorm rolled in. The sky was dark and the rain was pouring in sheets as I checked out, so I ended up standing by the front windows with other shoppers waiting for it to let up. We all watched as a tall industrial tower across the street was struck by lightning twice in a row, with a collective "whoa!" from the little crowd each time.

And right in the middle of that, a manager appeared with a very worried-looking teen girl and a giant patio umbrella with a metal pole. He was ordering her to walk people to their cars with it, and when she tried to protest, he jumped down her throat about doing her job.

Several customers and I lit into him to basically say, "No, you farkwit, nobody is walking across the flat, open parking lot carrying a long metal pole in a lightning storm." We finally managed to get him to back off of his cunning plan, but he wasn't happy about it.


If I was in your group there I would've held up my phone showing it ready to call the cops and tell that idiot manager that I would (try) to have him arrested for attempted murder if he sent anyone out.
 
2013-06-02 10:06:44 PM  

eventhelosers: J Noble Daggett: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?

You are correct that under a stand of trees is safer than in the middle of the field, provided you are not under the tallest trees. But this is "safer", not safe. Cars are generally safe. But let's not distract people from their outrage fix.

Unless your being an arse like me your wrong.  If your within range of the root structure your still toast, and root structures are interconnected.  Lay flat on the ground away from trees if you can't quickly move to a safe shelter.


Nobody is "right" in that there is no safe place outdoors in a lightening storm. Kneeling, crouching in an open field? Not good but better than standing.
Under tallest tree = worst. Standing in field, 2nd worst.
The "experts" cannot generically answer if certain trees are safer than laying out in the field. Closer to the trees but not under them is probably better than directly under them where you will be partially sheltered from the rain, except not being as wet is also good to avoid being affected by a nearby strike which will affect a greater radius if it hits wet ground.

Ultimately, if they sheltered under some smaller trees when there were larger trees somewhat nearby, versus staying out in the field, they probably reduced their risk. Depends on the trees, how much smaller, what else is around, but nether is particularly safe. Both in fact are dangerous.

Here's a tip. If you feel a tingle, hair start standing up, move. It gives you a small chance of being injured less. But don't stick your tongue out as you run.
 
2013-06-02 10:06:51 PM  
I am a little worried that every picture taken in the 21st century will feature the subjects either looking up or down -- at a steep angle -- toward the camera's viewfinder..
 
2013-06-02 10:15:06 PM  

Aigoo: MooseUpNorth: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one.

Consider yourself corrected.

NOAA would like a word with you--catmandu is correct, provided there is no alternative (buildings, cars) for cover and the trees are low to the ground.


Excuse me, but you should re-compare your statement against catmandu's. They are quite different. Also, there's a world of difference between "if there's no sensible option available, this is slightly less dangerous" and "you're fine if". Standing under trees (plural) of any height just means that if/when one of them gets hit, and you're very very lucky, you might have another tree and/or a little distance between you and the flying splinters.

/  Was a hundred yards away from a large oak that got vanished by a lightning strike (with some other trees between me and it.) Safest place to be in that area was the bloody tents in the middle of a clearing.
 
2013-06-02 10:15:11 PM  

catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?


No they bent over in the middle of the field with their asses in the air.

/If you're gonna get struck by lightning, it's the safest orifice
 
2013-06-02 10:25:16 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Think evil of me, but I really really wish after the mother and son were kicked out, a lightning strike did hit the tree.


I thought the same thing. Would've been great if it had zapped the stupid coaches.

Also got a kick out of "Oliveria said she is shocked," because no, she wasn't. HAHAHAHAHA! ... well, I thought it was funny.
 
2013-06-02 10:32:37 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Aigoo: MooseUpNorth: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one.

Consider yourself corrected.

NOAA would like a word with you--catmandu is correct, provided there is no alternative (buildings, cars) for cover and the trees are low to the ground.

Excuse me, but you should re-compare your statement against catmandu's. They are quite different. Also, there's a world of difference between "if there's no sensible option available, this is slightly less dangerous" and "you're fine if". Standing under trees (plural) of any height just means that if/when one of them gets hit, and you're very very lucky, you might have another tree and/or a little distance between you and the flying splinters.

/  Was a hundred yards away from a large oak that got vanished by a lightning strike (with some other trees between me and it.) Safest place to be in that area was the bloody tents in the middle of a clearing.


http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/outdoors.htm
These actions may slightly reduce your risk of being struck by lightning:
Avoid open fields, the top of a hill or a ridge top.Stay away from tall, isolated trees or other tall objects. If you are in a forest, stay near a lower stand of trees.If you are camping in an open area, set up camp in a valley, ravine or other low area. Remember, a tent offers NO protection from lighting.and
http://rendezvous.nols.edu/files/Curriculum/research_projects/Risk%2 0M anagement%20Reports/NOLS%20Backcountry%20Lightning%20Safety%20Guidelin es.pdf
Tents may actually increase the likelihood of lightning hitting
that spot if they are higher than nearby objects.
 
2013-06-02 10:32:44 PM  

jaytkay: When I have a tiny dispute about a rain shower with child-league soccer coaches...

...I run to the press and make it international news!!


1. She has no control over whether her local story becomes "international news." Also, it's not a "tiny dispute" when an entire team is at risk of electrocution in the future because the coaches are idiots. (Are people really this stupid, or are you trolling?)

2. If that many people on the field are misinformed, don't you think a story in the newspaper would have some educational value? Or should the newspaper wait until someone taking refuge under a tree gets hit with a lightning bolt? (Are people really this stupid, or are you trolling?)
 
2013-06-02 10:33:31 PM  

sno man: Oliveria said she is both "shocked and concerned"
That's usually code for I'm a busybody with nothing else to do but whine.  But whole lee shiat those coaches need a little science in their diet.


Are you as it ignorant of science as you are of technology? There's a moronic group of adults putting kids' life at risk, and while it doesn't necessarily play in the pathetic little narrative where you're better than everyone in the article, it's pretty farking shocking and concerning that their are idiots in this world that will tell a group of children to stand under a tree during a thunderstorm. I think you and the coaches must have spawned from the same education system.
 
2013-06-02 10:35:24 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Should've named the kid NOAA.



In Canada, it's Noa-eh.
 
2013-06-02 10:38:12 PM  

Bender The Offender: That's usually code for I'm a busybody with nothing else to do but whine.  But whole lee shiat those coaches need a little science in their diet.

Are you as it ignorant of science as you are of technology? There's a moronic group of adults putting kids' life at risk, and while it doesn't necessarily play in the pathetic little narrative where you're better than everyone in the article, it's pretty farking shocking and concerning that their are idiots in this world that will tell a group of children to stand under a tree during a thunderstorm. I think you and the coaches must have spawned from the same education system.


Somebody just failed at reading comprehension.
 
2013-06-02 10:42:11 PM  

jaytkay: When I have a tiny dispute about a rain shower with child-league soccer coaches...

...I run to the press and make it international news!!


In this case I'm going to side with the boy's mother. By taking this to the press she ensured that the parents of the other children on the team knew what these lamebrained coaches did.

If I had a child on the team and the coaches did something that endangered their life I'd sure as hell want to know about it.
 
2013-06-02 10:46:36 PM  
I guess the coaches never saw Caddyshack..
forums.mikeholt.com
 
2013-06-02 10:49:44 PM  

Bender The Offender: sno man: Oliveria said she is both "shocked and concerned"
That's usually code for I'm a busybody with nothing else to do but whine.  But whole lee shiat those coaches need a little science in their diet.

Are you as it ignorant of science as you are of technology? There's a moronic group of adults putting kids' life at risk, and while it doesn't necessarily play in the pathetic little narrative where you're better than everyone in the article, it's pretty farking shocking and concerning that their are idiots in this world that will tell a group of children to stand under a tree during a thunderstorm. I think you and the coaches must have spawned from the same education system.


Read what I typed again Rookie. especially the part I bold for you. I get you really want to think I'm an idiot. Fine. Whatever. But dude...
reading 101...
 
2013-06-02 10:55:09 PM  
The tree was probably a Whomping Willow -- the Chuck Norris of trees, known to chase lightning bolts clear into the next county.

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-06-02 10:57:52 PM  

catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?


No way. Remember, lightning is not the only thing that can hit a tree during a storm. Thunderstorms can be accompanied by strong winds as well. I don't mean tornadoes. (Those are rarer, albeit hella strong.) I mean straight-line winds and downbursts. Frankly, I'd be more worried about being struck by a falling limb than by lightning. Sheltering under a group of trees just means more risk of a really stupid head injury.

Thunderstorm on the way? Go the fark indoors.
 
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