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2013-06-02 05:03:30 PM
The stupid, it burns!
 
2013-06-02 05:06:09 PM
media.ebaumsworld.com
 
2013-06-02 05:21:49 PM
Yeah.That strategy usually works out great for cows.
 
2013-06-02 05:28:59 PM
Probably better for her son not to be around such idiot adults.
 
2013-06-02 05:33:21 PM
Minus the threat of a tornado, why wouldn't you go to your car during a lightning storm?

/the coaches will catch hell
 
2013-06-02 05:34:30 PM
Shielding myself with a large piece of sheet metal, I ran for cover under the tallest tree I could find...

download.lardlad.com
 
2013-06-02 05:46:20 PM
Kid's sports is dominated by assholes? When did this happen?
 
2013-06-02 06:09:26 PM
Good to know that the anti-science crowd is not found only down here in the states.
 
2013-06-02 06:16:58 PM

basemetal: Minus the threat of a tornado, why wouldn't you go to your car during a lightning storm?

/the coaches will catch hell


In the name of Daniel Faraday, THIS!
 
2013-06-02 06:28:51 PM
On one hand, she is awesome for maintaining most of the common sense that seems to leak out of people's heads when they need it most, but on the other, she named her kid "Noa".  Eh. I'm still in your corner "refused to become a lightning-rod" lady!
 
2013-06-02 06:44:06 PM
Oliveria said she is both "shocked and concerned"
That's usually code for I'm a busybody with nothing else to do but whine.  But whole lee shiat those coaches need a little science in their diet.
 
2013-06-02 07:04:14 PM

basemetal: Minus the threat of a tornado, why wouldn't you go to your car during a lightning storm?

/the coaches will catch hell


Because I'm not pussy.

Ben, fetch the kite!
 
2013-06-02 07:29:32 PM

MagSeven: On one hand, she is awesome for maintaining most of the common sense that seems to leak out of people's heads when they need it most, but on the other, she named her kid "Noa".


It would have been ironic if she'd named him "Noaa".

Or maybe not. Too much time on Fark and I don't think I understand irony anymore.
 
2013-06-02 07:36:55 PM
Think evil of me, but I really really wish after the mother and son were kicked out, a lightning strike did hit the tree.

/would have Darwin showing who was the REAL law
 
2013-06-02 07:42:59 PM

PapaChester: Good to know that the anti-science crowd is not found only down here in the states.



Heh....This.
 
2013-06-02 08:05:47 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Think evil of me, but I really really wish after the mother and son were kicked out, a lightning strike did hit the tree.

/would have Darwin showing who was the REAL law


i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-02 08:51:33 PM

OtherLittleGuy: basemetal: Minus the threat of a tornado, why wouldn't you go to your car during a lightning storm?

/the coaches will catch hell

In the name of Daniel Faraday, THIS!


Who's that?
 
2013-06-02 08:55:57 PM
Shelter

www.maniacworld.com
 
2013-06-02 08:57:26 PM
Honestly those coaches should be fired.
 
2013-06-02 08:57:41 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: OtherLittleGuy: basemetal: Minus the threat of a tornado, why wouldn't you go to your car during a lightning storm?

/the coaches will catch hell

In the name of Daniel Faraday, THIS!

Who's that?


Michael's less successful cousin. He had a Skoda dealership.
 
2013-06-02 08:59:05 PM
When I have a tiny dispute about a rain shower with child-league soccer coaches...

...I run to the press and make it international news!!
 
2013-06-02 09:00:03 PM
Someone send them lots of pictures of golfers struck by lighting after taking shelter under trees. Oh, and that soccer team that all got killed after sheltering under an oak in England, that should enlighten them.
 
2013-06-02 09:00:42 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: OtherLittleGuy: basemetal: Minus the threat of a tornado, why wouldn't you go to your car during a lightning storm?

/the coaches will catch hell

In the name of Daniel Faraday, THIS!

Who's that?


This guy.
i226.photobucket.com

I think he meant Louis Farrakhan instead.
 
2013-06-02 09:02:23 PM
Should've named the kid NOAA.
 
2013-06-02 09:03:16 PM

jaytkay: When I have a tiny dispute about a rain shower with child-league soccer coaches...

...I run to the press and make it international news!!


blogington.com
 
2013-06-02 09:05:55 PM
Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?
 
2013-06-02 09:06:14 PM
even if you are ignorant to how electricity works, you have to be a farking caveperson to think a tree is going to protect you from lightning.
 
2013-06-02 09:06:55 PM
Lightning... Yea, wait it out in the car. One of the safest places you can be during lightning.
 
2013-06-02 09:08:29 PM

basemetal: Minus the threat of a tornado, why wouldn't you go to your car during a lightning storm?


And don't leave. Someone has to call 911, so they can notify the coroner.
 
2013-06-02 09:09:56 PM

jaytkay: When I have a tiny dispute about a rain shower with child-league soccer coaches...

...I run to the press and make it international news!!


When my child's coaches insist a field full of children do the equivalent of spelling out "f%$# you Zeus you can't hit sh*t" on the field, I run to whoever will listen before their stupid actually kills someone.
 
2013-06-02 09:10:41 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Should've named the kid NOAA.


Heh heh heh
 
2013-06-02 09:10:53 PM
The coaches told them to make like a tree and get the fark off the field!
 
2013-06-02 09:10:56 PM
Rat farts!
 
2013-06-02 09:12:26 PM
When lightening hits a tree it's like a frag grenade.  Creating wood splinters because it has a resistance to electricity.  Prefer sitting in a car during a lightning storm.  Just don't touch anything metal.
 
2013-06-02 09:13:09 PM
anonuk.anonsource.org

Names and phone numbers of these retarded tree huggers?  Please?
 
2013-06-02 09:14:51 PM
Years ago I did a bicycle ride called the Markleeville Death Ride. Making my way up one of the passes, I rode right into a thunderhead. It was raining pretty hard, and there was lightning and thunder all around, but I just kept on climbing. I was shocked at how many people were taking shelter under the pine trees. It was the same day that some climbers were injured (one died) on Mt. Whitney in a stone shelter. At any rate, I felt my odds of being struck on my bicycle were lower than if I were to stand below a tall pine tree.
 
2013-06-02 09:15:37 PM
That article made my brain hurt.
 
2013-06-02 09:16:44 PM
Shoulda called the cops and had the coaches arrested for child endangerment.
 
2013-06-02 09:17:00 PM
It doesn't matter whether they were correct or not.  They were the officials in charge of situation.  You must always obey the officials who are in charge.  Continue to teach your children this please.
 
2013-06-02 09:17:45 PM
"Twenty two years ago on May 17th a tremendous thunderstorm rolled through Northwest DC and surrounding suburbs. Lightning struck spectators on the campus of St. Albans.

Some of the spectators ran to their car for cover and to some buildings close to the field; some however, took shelter under a large tree breaking the fundamental rule in lightning safety. You never want to make yourself or be near the tallest object in the landscape. Lightning struck that tree. The lightning traveled down the trunk and along the big roots that were exposed from the ground. Fred Laughlin was standing next to Noah Eig [one of the fatalities] under the tree."

WUSA9, Washington DC
 
2013-06-02 09:19:50 PM

catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one.


Consider yourself corrected.
 
2013-06-02 09:20:01 PM
FTFA: "Next think you know I have four or five of them (coaches) around me," she said. "None of them were listening, they kept asking 'are you above the law'?"

Wait, Soccer coaches also have legal authority in Canada?

I know our gov'ts our different, but jeeze.
 
2013-06-02 09:21:06 PM

skinink: The coaches told them to make like a tree and get the fark off the field!


i2.ytimg.com
 
2013-06-02 09:21:09 PM
Probably a school league.

i306.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-02 09:22:30 PM
You're fine in the middle of a flat field during a lighting storm.

Just keep your feet together so you stay grounded.

/that is, if you don't have a car
 
2013-06-02 09:23:45 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-02 09:24:02 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-02 09:25:29 PM
>Richard Richards: Better come in till this blows over.
>Bishop: What do you think, fella?
>Carl Spackler: I'd keep playing. I don't think the heavy stuff's gonna come down for quite awhile.
>Bishop: You're right. Anyway, the Good Lord would never disrupt the best game of my life.
[THUNDER]
 
2013-06-02 09:27:18 PM
People are idiots. A few years ago, I was in Walmart (don't judge me) when a massive thunderstorm rolled in. The sky was dark and the rain was pouring in sheets as I checked out, so I ended up standing by the front windows with other shoppers waiting for it to let up. We all watched as a tall industrial tower across the street was struck by lightning twice in a row, with a collective "whoa!" from the little crowd each time.

And right in the middle of that, a manager appeared with a very worried-looking teen girl and a giant patio umbrella with a metal pole. He was ordering her to walk people to their cars with it, and when she tried to protest, he jumped down her throat about doing her job.

Several customers and I lit into him to basically say, "No, you farkwit, nobody is walking across the flat, open parking lot carrying a long metal pole in a lightning storm." We finally managed to get him to back off of his cunning plan, but he wasn't happy about it.
 
2013-06-02 09:28:35 PM

Amusement: When lightening hits a tree it's like a frag grenade.  Creating wood splinters because it has a resistance to electricity.  Prefer sitting in a car during a lightning storm.  Just don't touch anything metal.


Touching metal in the car won't hurt you in a lightning strike. Lightning is a surface effect. A live wire laying across your car means don't touch any metal.

/no it is not the rubber tires that protect you in you car, it is the metal.
 
2013-06-02 09:28:54 PM

catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?


You are correct that under a stand of trees is safer than in the middle of the field, provided you are not under the tallest trees. But this is "safer", not safe. Cars are generally safe. But let's not distract people from their outrage fix.
 
2013-06-02 09:29:26 PM

catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?


The best thing to do is hide in the nearest body of water.
 
2013-06-02 09:29:47 PM

the_chief: Shoulda called the cops and had the coaches arrested for child endangerment.


Unless the league has it in it's written laws the reasons why they can kick out someone or ask them to leave, the police would have kindly told them to shut up and play soccer.
 
2013-06-02 09:30:09 PM
Nothing like the combination of arrogance and stupidity to make one hate humanity that much more.
 
2013-06-02 09:30:51 PM
Was looking for examples of  people under trees who were struck by lightning when I found this  one about a guy on a motorcycle who took a bolt through his penis.

Doctors said there would be "no lasting effects."
 
2013-06-02 09:32:03 PM

MooseUpNorth: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one.

Consider yourself corrected.


http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/outdoors.htm
These actions may slightly reduce your risk of being struck by lightning:
Avoid open fields, the top of a hill or a ridge top.Stay away from tall, isolated trees or other tall objects. If you are in a forest, stay near a lower stand of trees.
 
2013-06-02 09:33:06 PM

Firebelle: People are idiots. A few years ago, I was in Walmart (don't judge me) when a massive thunderstorm rolled in. The sky was dark and the rain was pouring in sheets as I checked out, so I ended up standing by the front windows with other shoppers waiting for it to let up. We all watched as a tall industrial tower across the street was struck by lightning twice in a row, with a collective "whoa!" from the little crowd each time.

And right in the middle of that, a manager appeared with a very worried-looking teen girl and a giant patio umbrella with a metal pole. He was ordering her to walk people to their cars with it, and when she tried to protest, he jumped down her throat about doing her job.

Several customers and I lit into him to basically say, "No, you farkwit, nobody is walking across the flat, open parking lot carrying a long metal pole in a lightning storm." We finally managed to get him to back off of his cunning plan, but he wasn't happy about it.


Good.
 
2013-06-02 09:33:19 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Was looking for examples of  people under trees who were struck by lightning when I found this  one about a guy on a motorcycle who took a bolt through his penis.

Doctors said there would be "no lasting effects."


Except bragging rights.
 
2013-06-02 09:33:39 PM
Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?
 
2013-06-02 09:35:57 PM

pippi longstocking: Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?


Since Ottawa was annexed by New York.
 
2013-06-02 09:36:53 PM

pippi longstocking: Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?


An Ottawa mom is outraged after being kicked off a soccer field because she and her son wouldn't take shelter under trees during a thunderstorm.

RTFA
 
2013-06-02 09:37:00 PM

MagSeven: On one hand, she is awesome for maintaining most of the common sense that seems to leak out of people's heads when they need it most, but on the other, she named her kid "Noa".  Eh. I'm still in your corner "refused to become a lightning-rod" lady!


Don't be concerned about the name. By her name she sounds Portuguese and Noa is a Spanish/Portguese name.

I've seen a cow that got hit under a tree after a storm. Wasn't dead but...melted eyeball and crippled.
 
2013-06-02 09:38:02 PM

J Noble Daggett: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?

You are correct that under a stand of trees is safer than in the middle of the field, provided you are not under the tallest trees. But this is "safer", not safe. Cars are generally safe. But let's not distract people from their outrage fix.


Unless your being an arse like me your wrong.  If your within range of the root structure your still toast, and root structures are interconnected.  Lay flat on the ground away from trees if you can't quickly move to a safe shelter.
 
2013-06-02 09:40:06 PM

pippi longstocking: Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?


And all this time I didn't need to show my passport when going to Ottawa? DAMMIT!
 
2013-06-02 09:40:53 PM

MooseUpNorth: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one.

Consider yourself corrected.


NOAA would like a word with you--catmandu is correct, provided there is no alternative (buildings, cars) for cover and the trees are low to the ground.

Ishkur: You're fine in the middle of a flat field during a lighting storm.

Just keep your feet together so you stay grounded.

/that is, if you don't have a car


And with you.


http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/outdoors.htm#near

These actions may  slightly reduce your risk of being struck by lightning:

Avoid open fields, the top of a hill or a ridge top.Stay away from tall, isolated trees or other tall objects. If you are in a forest, stay near a lower stand of trees.
Coaches were farking idiots and should be fired: Mom was also an idiot for standing around in an open field and not taking Junior straight to the car. From NOAA's outdoor sports guide:

No place OUTSIDE is safe in or near a thunderstorm. Stop what you are doing and get to a safe place immediately.  Small outdoor buildings including dugouts, rain shelters, sheds, etc., are NOT SAFE. Substantial buildings with wiring and plumbing are the safest places. Office buildings, schools, and homes offer good protection. Once inside, stay away from windows and doors and anything that conducts electricity such as corded phones, wiring, plumbing, and anything connected to these.

hard-topped metal vehicle with the windows closed also provides good protection. Avoid contact with metal in the vehicle and try to keep away from windows.
 
 
2013-06-02 09:41:48 PM
Tried posting on their facebook page but they seem to be deleting anything slightly negative.
 
2013-06-02 09:43:05 PM
If you're caught out in a thunderstorm, just grab a one-iron and hold it up. Not even God can hit one of those things.

latimesblogs.latimes.com
 
2013-06-02 09:43:30 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: pippi longstocking: Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?

Since Ottawa was annexed by New York.


To be fair, a friend of mine from Ottawa has described the place as filled with civil servants, mindlessly rule following nitwits, political reactionaries, and drunk weirdos.
 
2013-06-02 09:44:12 PM

eventhelosers: J Noble Daggett: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?

You are correct that under a stand of trees is safer than in the middle of the field, provided you are not under the tallest trees. But this is "safer", not safe. Cars are generally safe. But let's not distract people from their outrage fix.

Unless your being an arse like me your wrong.  If your within range of the root structure your still toast, and root structures are interconnected.  Lay flat on the ground away from trees if you can't quickly move to a safe shelter.


The roots are grounded. In the sense of being in the farking ground.

Smartest thing is indeed to wait in a car. Then you're also sheltered from wind and rain. Under trees, you're still going to get soaked if a heavy straight-line wind comes up (which we had in Ontario during this recent batch of storms).

And living across from a soccer field I can safely say, if it's one thing you'll find a farkton of at a kid's soccer game, it's cars. Vans even.
 
2013-06-02 09:44:43 PM

FunkOut: The_Original_Roxtar: pippi longstocking: Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?

Since Ottawa was annexed by New York.

To be fair, a friend of mine from Ottawa has described the place as filled with civil servants, mindlessly rule following nitwits, political reactionaries, and drunk weirdos.


So just like everywhere else?
 
2013-06-02 09:44:58 PM

catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?


Sheltering under a stand of low trees is safer than standing in a field, but on a good day a lightning strike can kill everything that isn't grounded for a mile or so around.
 
2013-06-02 09:45:58 PM

Ishkur: You're fine in the middle of a flat field during a lighting storm.

Just keep your feet together so you stay grounded.

/that is, if you don't have a car


It will can only hit you if you  are grounded. Rubber tires make good insulators.
 
2013-06-02 09:46:10 PM
At the golf course where I worked as a teenage, one golfer tried to take this course of action during a particularly bad storm, and sure enough lightning hit the tree he took cover under.  Fortunately he only suffered minor injuries, and I got to hear him tell us about what it was like being hit by lightning.  Also fortunately nobody I knew tried that again.
 
2013-06-02 09:46:12 PM

FunkOut: The_Original_Roxtar: pippi longstocking: Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?

Since Ottawa was annexed by New York.

To be fair, a friend of mine from Ottawa has described the place as filled with civil servants, mindlessly rule following nitwits, political reactionaries, and drunk weirdos.


That's true. But also a lot of hot single girls.
 
2013-06-02 09:46:32 PM

dogboy360: Amusement: When lightening hits a tree it's like a frag grenade.  Creating wood splinters because it has a resistance to electricity.  Prefer sitting in a car during a lightning storm.  Just don't touch anything metal.

Touching metal in the car won't hurt you in a lightning strike. Lightning is a surface effect. A live wire laying across your car means don't touch any metal.

/no it is not the rubber tires that protect you in you car, it is the metal.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve6XGKZxYxA  2:58 seconds into video.  Enjoy education.
 
2013-06-02 09:46:50 PM
Could they have found a more unflattering angle for that photo?
 
Ral
2013-06-02 09:48:45 PM
<i>"Next think you know I have four or five of them (coaches) around me," she said. "None of them were listening, they kept asking 'are you above the law'?" </i>

They sound like Scientologists.

/what are your crimes?
 
2013-06-02 09:49:03 PM
CSB time:

When I was in 9th grade, we went on a class field trip to some lake (just for the day). In the middle of the field trip, a big lightning storm rolls in. So my SCIENCE teacher (Chemistry, but still) tells us to go stand under the tall, lonely tree. I do for about 3 seconds, and then remember "idiot, that's NOT where you're supposed to be!"
So I took off running (for about 1 mile) towards better shelter. I was a real fatty then, so the only way I made it was through pure adrenaline. Everybody thought I was a dumbass, only because they got lucky and DIDN'T get struck by lightning.

/CSB time

/Now a meteorologist
 
2013-06-02 09:54:09 PM

hershy799: /Now a meteorologist


THAT made it the best CSB in recent memory
 
2013-06-02 09:54:50 PM
"The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right."

Mark Twain
 
2013-06-02 09:57:19 PM
http://southkeysgreenboro.com/contact/

If you'd like to tell them how stupid they are directly. this appears to be their website.
 
2013-06-02 09:57:26 PM
catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?

That is what we were told in a wilderness survival class. (Cool class, had to make an effective atlatl with the items I had on me to pass)
 
2013-06-02 09:59:43 PM

jaytkay: hershy799: /Now a meteorologist

THAT made it the best CSB in recent memory


Really? That's not what got me into the field -- I wanted to be a meteorologist since I was like 3. Seriously.
 
2013-06-02 10:02:20 PM
As for one who was punished for his stupidity and ignorance by his Lightening Overloads, this simpleton will never tempt their wrath again and will follow follow best practices to not attract their attention.
 
2013-06-02 10:04:35 PM

Firebelle: People are idiots. A few years ago, I was in Walmart (don't judge me) when a massive thunderstorm rolled in. The sky was dark and the rain was pouring in sheets as I checked out, so I ended up standing by the front windows with other shoppers waiting for it to let up. We all watched as a tall industrial tower across the street was struck by lightning twice in a row, with a collective "whoa!" from the little crowd each time.

And right in the middle of that, a manager appeared with a very worried-looking teen girl and a giant patio umbrella with a metal pole. He was ordering her to walk people to their cars with it, and when she tried to protest, he jumped down her throat about doing her job.

Several customers and I lit into him to basically say, "No, you farkwit, nobody is walking across the flat, open parking lot carrying a long metal pole in a lightning storm." We finally managed to get him to back off of his cunning plan, but he wasn't happy about it.


If I was in your group there I would've held up my phone showing it ready to call the cops and tell that idiot manager that I would (try) to have him arrested for attempted murder if he sent anyone out.
 
2013-06-02 10:06:44 PM

eventhelosers: J Noble Daggett: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?

You are correct that under a stand of trees is safer than in the middle of the field, provided you are not under the tallest trees. But this is "safer", not safe. Cars are generally safe. But let's not distract people from their outrage fix.

Unless your being an arse like me your wrong.  If your within range of the root structure your still toast, and root structures are interconnected.  Lay flat on the ground away from trees if you can't quickly move to a safe shelter.


Nobody is "right" in that there is no safe place outdoors in a lightening storm. Kneeling, crouching in an open field? Not good but better than standing.
Under tallest tree = worst. Standing in field, 2nd worst.
The "experts" cannot generically answer if certain trees are safer than laying out in the field. Closer to the trees but not under them is probably better than directly under them where you will be partially sheltered from the rain, except not being as wet is also good to avoid being affected by a nearby strike which will affect a greater radius if it hits wet ground.

Ultimately, if they sheltered under some smaller trees when there were larger trees somewhat nearby, versus staying out in the field, they probably reduced their risk. Depends on the trees, how much smaller, what else is around, but nether is particularly safe. Both in fact are dangerous.

Here's a tip. If you feel a tingle, hair start standing up, move. It gives you a small chance of being injured less. But don't stick your tongue out as you run.
 
2013-06-02 10:06:51 PM
I am a little worried that every picture taken in the 21st century will feature the subjects either looking up or down -- at a steep angle -- toward the camera's viewfinder..
 
2013-06-02 10:15:06 PM

Aigoo: MooseUpNorth: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one.

Consider yourself corrected.

NOAA would like a word with you--catmandu is correct, provided there is no alternative (buildings, cars) for cover and the trees are low to the ground.


Excuse me, but you should re-compare your statement against catmandu's. They are quite different. Also, there's a world of difference between "if there's no sensible option available, this is slightly less dangerous" and "you're fine if". Standing under trees (plural) of any height just means that if/when one of them gets hit, and you're very very lucky, you might have another tree and/or a little distance between you and the flying splinters.

/  Was a hundred yards away from a large oak that got vanished by a lightning strike (with some other trees between me and it.) Safest place to be in that area was the bloody tents in the middle of a clearing.
 
2013-06-02 10:15:11 PM

catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?


No they bent over in the middle of the field with their asses in the air.

/If you're gonna get struck by lightning, it's the safest orifice
 
2013-06-02 10:25:16 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Think evil of me, but I really really wish after the mother and son were kicked out, a lightning strike did hit the tree.


I thought the same thing. Would've been great if it had zapped the stupid coaches.

Also got a kick out of "Oliveria said she is shocked," because no, she wasn't. HAHAHAHAHA! ... well, I thought it was funny.
 
2013-06-02 10:32:37 PM

MooseUpNorth: Aigoo: MooseUpNorth: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one.

Consider yourself corrected.

NOAA would like a word with you--catmandu is correct, provided there is no alternative (buildings, cars) for cover and the trees are low to the ground.

Excuse me, but you should re-compare your statement against catmandu's. They are quite different. Also, there's a world of difference between "if there's no sensible option available, this is slightly less dangerous" and "you're fine if". Standing under trees (plural) of any height just means that if/when one of them gets hit, and you're very very lucky, you might have another tree and/or a little distance between you and the flying splinters.

/  Was a hundred yards away from a large oak that got vanished by a lightning strike (with some other trees between me and it.) Safest place to be in that area was the bloody tents in the middle of a clearing.


http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/outdoors.htm
These actions may slightly reduce your risk of being struck by lightning:
Avoid open fields, the top of a hill or a ridge top.Stay away from tall, isolated trees or other tall objects. If you are in a forest, stay near a lower stand of trees.If you are camping in an open area, set up camp in a valley, ravine or other low area. Remember, a tent offers NO protection from lighting.and
http://rendezvous.nols.edu/files/Curriculum/research_projects/Risk%2 0M anagement%20Reports/NOLS%20Backcountry%20Lightning%20Safety%20Guidelin es.pdf
Tents may actually increase the likelihood of lightning hitting
that spot if they are higher than nearby objects.
 
2013-06-02 10:32:44 PM

jaytkay: When I have a tiny dispute about a rain shower with child-league soccer coaches...

...I run to the press and make it international news!!


1. She has no control over whether her local story becomes "international news." Also, it's not a "tiny dispute" when an entire team is at risk of electrocution in the future because the coaches are idiots. (Are people really this stupid, or are you trolling?)

2. If that many people on the field are misinformed, don't you think a story in the newspaper would have some educational value? Or should the newspaper wait until someone taking refuge under a tree gets hit with a lightning bolt? (Are people really this stupid, or are you trolling?)
 
2013-06-02 10:33:31 PM

sno man: Oliveria said she is both "shocked and concerned"
That's usually code for I'm a busybody with nothing else to do but whine.  But whole lee shiat those coaches need a little science in their diet.


Are you as it ignorant of science as you are of technology? There's a moronic group of adults putting kids' life at risk, and while it doesn't necessarily play in the pathetic little narrative where you're better than everyone in the article, it's pretty farking shocking and concerning that their are idiots in this world that will tell a group of children to stand under a tree during a thunderstorm. I think you and the coaches must have spawned from the same education system.
 
2013-06-02 10:35:24 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Should've named the kid NOAA.



In Canada, it's Noa-eh.
 
2013-06-02 10:38:12 PM

Bender The Offender: That's usually code for I'm a busybody with nothing else to do but whine.  But whole lee shiat those coaches need a little science in their diet.

Are you as it ignorant of science as you are of technology? There's a moronic group of adults putting kids' life at risk, and while it doesn't necessarily play in the pathetic little narrative where you're better than everyone in the article, it's pretty farking shocking and concerning that their are idiots in this world that will tell a group of children to stand under a tree during a thunderstorm. I think you and the coaches must have spawned from the same education system.


Somebody just failed at reading comprehension.
 
2013-06-02 10:42:11 PM

jaytkay: When I have a tiny dispute about a rain shower with child-league soccer coaches...

...I run to the press and make it international news!!


In this case I'm going to side with the boy's mother. By taking this to the press she ensured that the parents of the other children on the team knew what these lamebrained coaches did.

If I had a child on the team and the coaches did something that endangered their life I'd sure as hell want to know about it.
 
2013-06-02 10:46:36 PM
I guess the coaches never saw Caddyshack..
forums.mikeholt.com
 
2013-06-02 10:49:44 PM

Bender The Offender: sno man: Oliveria said she is both "shocked and concerned"
That's usually code for I'm a busybody with nothing else to do but whine.  But whole lee shiat those coaches need a little science in their diet.

Are you as it ignorant of science as you are of technology? There's a moronic group of adults putting kids' life at risk, and while it doesn't necessarily play in the pathetic little narrative where you're better than everyone in the article, it's pretty farking shocking and concerning that their are idiots in this world that will tell a group of children to stand under a tree during a thunderstorm. I think you and the coaches must have spawned from the same education system.


Read what I typed again Rookie. especially the part I bold for you. I get you really want to think I'm an idiot. Fine. Whatever. But dude...
reading 101...
 
2013-06-02 10:55:09 PM
The tree was probably a Whomping Willow -- the Chuck Norris of trees, known to chase lightning bolts clear into the next county.

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-06-02 10:57:52 PM

catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?


No way. Remember, lightning is not the only thing that can hit a tree during a storm. Thunderstorms can be accompanied by strong winds as well. I don't mean tornadoes. (Those are rarer, albeit hella strong.) I mean straight-line winds and downbursts. Frankly, I'd be more worried about being struck by a falling limb than by lightning. Sheltering under a group of trees just means more risk of a really stupid head injury.

Thunderstorm on the way? Go the fark indoors.
 
2013-06-02 10:58:33 PM

Ishkur: You're fine in the middle of a flat field during a lighting storm.

Just keep your feet together so you stay grounded.

/that is, if you don't have a car


Are you trying to make a joke?
 
2013-06-02 10:59:01 PM
Roy Sullivan would probably disagree that there are any safe places.

Ofc, in his case, he pissed of *something*...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Sullivan
 
2013-06-02 11:02:01 PM
"they kept asking 'are you above the law'?"

Meaning, are you above the laws of physics? No! And neither are you. What will happen is that because there are more of these idiots, in the aftermath and ridicule, it will somehow be implied that it was 'bad' of her to hold this minority opinion because most of this group disagreed with. Christ. These people farking vote.


t3.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-02 11:03:37 PM
I hate to characterize these athletic coaches as dullards and bullies, but they seems to be OK acting like that.
 
2013-06-02 11:05:16 PM

picturescrazy: BarkingUnicorn: Was looking for examples of  people under trees who were struck by lightning when I found this  one about a guy on a motorcycle who took a bolt through his penis.

Doctors said there would be "no lasting effects."

Except bragging rights.


You know that his pick-up line involved "Ride the Lightning"

/so ashamed for typing that, but still laughing
 
2013-06-02 11:06:35 PM
Quick!  Everybody come do this stupid thing and shun the few people offering correct advice!
 
2013-06-02 11:11:24 PM

J Noble Daggett: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one.

http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/outdoors.htm
These actions may slightly reduce your risk of being struck by lightning:
Avoid open fields, the top of a hill or a ridge top.Stay away from tall, isolated trees or other tall objects. If you are in a forest, stay near a lower stand of trees.


That is what I thought i remembered from survival classes. Get and stay as low as you can, make sure you are not the tallest thing around, make sure you are not near the tallest thing around, and if you are in the middle of a field, remove backpacks and anything that might be metal and go into the three point crouch (feet together touching the ground and hands on the ground a short distance away from each other and the feet.
 
2013-06-02 11:21:40 PM
People who end up being adult soccer coaches of children collectively aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer? That's a shock(electrical). I hope these remedial bastards get fired for trying their feeble hands at authoritarianism.
 
JVD
2013-06-02 11:35:13 PM
lol, soccer.
 
2013-06-02 11:37:09 PM
I still remember a similar incident when I played in 'coaches pitch' baseball league (8 yros).  Storm came in and the coaches agreed to continue the game till rain fell.  When lightning struck near the field we ignored the coaches and fled to the cars.  They called us kids wimps for not getting back to play with aluminum bats.  My parents sure didn't send me back out there.  Eight standing people on a field and three near a metal backstop with one holding a bat just sound like multiple lightning rods.

Phil Moskowitz: People who end up being adult soccer coaches of children collectively aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer? That's a shock(electrical). I hope these remedial bastards get fired for trying their feeble hands at authoritarianism.


I agree with that.  Most I have encountered never played the game themselves and took it up because they weren't good at baseball.  Other than kick the ball and run, they really don't teach play strategy.  I pity the coaches in the older youth leagues.  As in the 12 yro and up leagues where playing time isn't guaranteed and snowflakes find out what the bench really feels like.
 
2013-06-02 11:48:36 PM
lack of warmth:Phil Moskowitz: People who end up being adult soccer coaches of children collectively aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer? That's a shock(electrical). I hope these remedial bastards get fired for trying their feeble hands at authoritarianism.

I agree with that.  Most I have encountered never played the game themselves and took it up because they weren't good at baseball.  Other than kick the ball and run, they really don't teach play strategy.  I pity the coaches in the older youth leagues.  As in the 12 yro and up leagues where playing time isn't guaranteed and snowflakes find out what the bench really feels like.


I had a couple of great coaches when I was a kid. Granted, this was elementary school, and I was one of two girls on a co-ed team, but the coach and assistant coach did teach some strategy and basic techniques. And they didn't ignore the girls on the team, which was admirable. I ended up on left defense much of the time, because I could actually kick with my left foot. Good times.

Of course, my brother's go at soccer was short, due to a coach who was kind of a jerk. He was not sympathetic with my brother's medical issues -- and related endurance issues -- and turned my brother off of the sport for good.

So maybe I just lucked out.

/CSS
 
2013-06-02 11:50:56 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: eventhelosers: J Noble Daggett: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?

You are correct that under a stand of trees is safer than in the middle of the field, provided you are not under the tallest trees. But this is "safer", not safe. Cars are generally safe. But let's not distract people from their outrage fix.

Unless your being an arse like me your wrong.  If your within range of the root structure your still toast, and root structures are interconnected.  Lay flat on the ground away from trees if you can't quickly move to a safe shelter.

The roots are grounded. In the sense of being in the farking ground.

Smartest thing is indeed to wait in a car. Then you're also sheltered from wind and rain. Under trees, you're still going to get soaked if a heavy straight-line wind comes up (which we had in Ontario during this recent batch of storms).

And living across from a soccer field I can safely say, if it's one thing you'll find a farkton of at a kid's soccer game, it's cars. Vans even.


IMHO....................

ROOTS ARE GROUNDED BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE GROUND?????  NO NO NO NO NO

I'LL PARTIALLY BURY SOME BARE COPPER WIRE AND ENERGIZE IT, FEEL FREE TO GRAB THE OTHER END!

ROOTS CAN BE INTERTUBES FULL OF WATER YOU CAN DRIVE BIG ELECTRICITY TRUCKS THROUGH WITHOUT LOSING MUCH AMPERAGE

GOOGLE "CAMP WEBB LIGHTNING"

MY LAZY ARSE HARDLY GOES OUTSIDE ANYMORE, SO I JUST UNPLUG THE LAPTOP
 
2013-06-02 11:52:22 PM

catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?


progolferdigest.com
 
2013-06-02 11:53:04 PM

poison_amy: Could they have found a more unflattering angle for that photo?


They wanted a pic of them each holding soccer balls, but she stuffed hers under her shirt.
 
2013-06-02 11:54:32 PM

Marshal805: pippi longstocking: Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?

An Ottawa mom is outraged after being kicked off a soccer field because she and her son wouldn't take shelter under trees during a thunderstorm.

RTFA


Well, Canada's the 51st state, right?
 
2013-06-02 11:55:47 PM

pippi longstocking: Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?


Just you... for thinking Canada is a state in the USA... and, a soccer coach?


As for the article, I personally would not want my child on the team anymore... but, being my assholish self, I would go try my absolute damnedest to swear out a warrant for attempted murder to trying to get us to stand under a tree in a lightning storm, child endangerment at the LEAST, considering the well known results of such an ignorant maneuver!  If the warrant made it through, it would/may not stick (doubtfully) but it sure as hell would scare some sense into the morons (possibly.. they may actually be too far gone if they did not know about trees and lightning by the age of 4 or 5).

This is as bad as the the school/teachers not wanting the deaf child to use sign language to say his name because it looks somewhat like making a gun with his hand(s).. (submitted this to fark as STUPID, but apparently didn't get greened).
 
2013-06-02 11:56:22 PM

nickerj1: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?

[progolferdigest.com image 470x297]


I don't think it helps holding a golf club like that, nor can I twist my leg like that.  I can get down like that, but I don't want my leg all mad at me later.  Getting old and all that.
 
2013-06-02 11:58:06 PM

pippi longstocking: Are you saying NORTHAmericans are stupid and fascist? Since when?


/FTFY
 
2013-06-02 11:59:46 PM

picturescrazy: BarkingUnicorn: Was looking for examples of  people under trees who were struck by lightning when I found this  one about a guy on a motorcycle who took a bolt through his penis.

Doctors said there would be "no lasting effects."

Except bragging rights.


Hey Baby..... Wanna ride the lightning?
 
2013-06-03 12:08:55 AM

pippi longstocking: Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?


Kill yourself.
 
2013-06-03 12:10:27 AM

fusillade762: MagSeven: On one hand, she is awesome for maintaining most of the common sense that seems to leak out of people's heads when they need it most, but on the other, she named her kid "Noa".

It would have been ironic if she'd named him "Noaa".

Or maybe not. Too much time on Fark and I don't think I understand irony anymore.


LIke RAAA-AAIII-INNN, on your soccer DAYYYY.
And whoo-oo-oo dies, it ain't Nooo-AAYYY.
 
2013-06-03 12:10:43 AM

Fecal Conservative: picturescrazy: BarkingUnicorn: Was looking for examples of  people under trees who were struck by lightning when I found this  one about a guy on a motorcycle who took a bolt through his penis.

Doctors said there would be "no lasting effects."

Except bragging rights.

Hey Baby..... Wanna ride the lightning?


I beat ya to that one. :P GMTA!

Anastacya: picturescrazy: BarkingUnicorn: Was looking for examples of  people under trees who were struck by lightning when I found this  one about a guy on a motorcycle who took a bolt through his penis.

Doctors said there would be "no lasting effects."

Except bragging rights.

You know that his pick-up line involved "Ride the Lightning"

/so ashamed for typing that, but still laughing

 
2013-06-03 12:14:50 AM

BigRightRear: It will can only hit you if you  are grounded. Rubber tires make good insulators.


Ok, work with me here.  Lightning manages to travel through several thousand feet of air (an exceptionally good insulator) and you think that 3 inches of rubber is going to stop it?  Rubber that is typically heavily embedded with belts of steel?
2.bp.blogspot.com

/This guy frowns at your notion

BummerDuck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Sullivan


Roy comes out sounding a little nutty after a while but damn after 7 documented strikes he gets to be as nutty as he likes.
 
2013-06-03 12:19:49 AM

Canton: No way. Remember, lightning is not the only thing that can hit a tree during a storm. Thunderstorms can be accompanied by strong winds as well. I don't mean tornadoes. (Those are rarer, albeit hella strong.) I mean straight-line winds and downbursts. Frankly, I'd be more worried about being struck by a falling limb than by lightning. Sheltering under a group of trees just means more risk of a really stupid head injury.


Definitely. Googling for 'killed by falling tree' results in pages of news stories.  Leads one to believe that deaths and injuries of that nature are common and under reported. Also falling power lines are not uncommon either. Once saw a power line fall to the ground.  Bunch of sparks, then the nothing, minute later more sparks as a breaker reset. General rule, stay away as a fallen power line can be dead one moment and live the next and power lines are not insulated.
 
2013-06-03 12:22:05 AM

catmandu: J Noble Daggett: catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one.

http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/outdoors.htm
These actions may slightly reduce your risk of being struck by lightning:
Avoid open fields, the top of a hill or a ridge top.Stay away from tall, isolated trees or other tall objects. If you are in a forest, stay near a lower stand of trees.

That is what I thought i remembered from survival classes. Get and stay as low as you can, make sure you are not the tallest thing around, make sure you are not near the tallest thing around, and if you are in the middle of a field, remove backpacks and anything that might be metal and go into the three point crouch (feet together touching the ground and hands on the ground a short distance away from each other and the feet.


That's a lot of work.

Just don't get hit by lightning. Easy peasy.
 
2013-06-03 12:31:16 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Shielding myself with a large piece of sheet metal, I ran for cover under the tallest tree I could find...

[download.lardlad.com image 320x240]


"Even God can't hit a one-iron."
 
2013-06-03 12:31:36 AM
The article should have listed the coaches by name.  Shame is a much better educator than tragedy.
 
2013-06-03 12:33:05 AM

hershy799: CSB time:

When I was in 9th grade, we went on a class field trip to some lake (just for the day). In the middle of the field trip, a big lightning storm rolls in. So my SCIENCE teacher (Chemistry, but still) tells us to go stand under the tall, lonely tree. I do for about 3 seconds, and then remember "idiot, that's NOT where you're supposed to be!"
So I took off running (for about 1 mile) towards better shelter. I was a real fatty then, so the only way I made it was through pure adrenaline. Everybody thought I was a dumbass, only because they got lucky and DIDN'T get struck by lightning.

/CSB time

/Now a meteorologist


Hmmm... you're a fatty... a meteorologist... and your username is "hershy799".

Well, Mr. hershy799, or should I say Al Roker!!!  Consider yourself exposed!


imustruth.typepad.com
 
2013-06-03 12:38:22 AM

catmandu: Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure many will) but I have always understood that you don't shelter under A tree during a thunderstorm but sheltering under trees is fine if it is a group and you are not near the tallest one. Did she and her son go into the three point crouch, grounding themselves, or did they just stand around watching and being the tallest thing on the field?


What you have to understand about lightning strikes is that a minority of deaths are caused by being hit by the lightning bolt itself.  What actually kills most people is being near the strike (in the range of tens to hundreds of meters)  where current is flowing up to the strike point.

Also, being "highest" doesn't meant being the point that lightning strikes.  It follows the path of least resistance where the most charge builds up.  Pointy things mean higher charge density (why flagpoles have spherical caps) so pointy trees, trees with less resistive sap and deeper root systems, etc. may provide more likely targets even if they are slightly shorter.  What height has to do with it is simply that that height also reduces the resistance by having to pass through less air, air being highly resistive.

Lightning can also emerge from multiple points in concert.  (in fact, given points of roughly equal resistance, it would prefer to)

So, if you are going to be near *a lot* of trees anyway and they are providing good rain cover, it might be to your advantage to find a lower area and hunker down in that tree cover, but only because the dry ground will conduct more poorly than the moist ground.  In almost all cases, I would suggest getting far away from anything tall and organic/metallic.  If you're in a field with trees on the periphery, by all means, go stand in the middle of the field, that's the safest spot.  (If you are in a field without trees or poles in the periphery, bad news, you are the closest thing around to a lightning rod.  Try to crouch down on those rubber souled shoes you are hopefully wearing.)
 
2013-06-03 12:43:38 AM

dogboy360: Touching metal in the car won't hurt you in a lightning strike. Lightning is a surface effect. A live wire laying across your car means don't touch any metal.


Not necessarily true.

http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_pls/vehicle_strike.html

According to the National Lightning Safety Institute:
Reported incidents and related injuries make it clear that a person inside a fully enclosed metal vehicle must not be touching metallic objects referenced to the outside of the car. Door and window handles, radio dials, CB microphones, gearshifts, steering wheels, and other inside-to-outside metal objects should be left alone during close-in lightning events. We suggest pulling off to the side of the road in a safe manner, turning on the emergency blinkers, turning off the engine, putting one's hands in one's lap, and waiting out the storm."
 
2013-06-03 12:44:21 AM

fst_creeper: BigRightRear: It will can only hit you if you  are grounded. Rubber tires make good insulators.

Ok, work with me here.  Lightning manages to travel through several thousand feet of air (an exceptionally good insulator) and you think that 3 inches of rubber is going to stop it?  Rubber that is typically heavily embedded with belts of steel?


Cars are safe to the extent that you are inside of a metal cage. The juice will flow on the outside of the cage and generally leave you safe. The rubber tires have nothing to do with it.
3.bp.blogspot.com

Oddly enough, this means that if you are on a playground with an old style
jungle gym, that's a good place to run too if you stay in the middle and don't touch the metal.
Not room for a full soccer team.
francies.files.wordpress.com
One of these domes would be good, if it were metal, but it's probably plastic. Again, if inside the cage.
www.domeclimber.com
 
2013-06-03 01:15:06 AM

gweilo8888: dogboy360: Touching metal in the car won't hurt you in a lightning strike. Lightning is a surface effect. A live wire laying across your car means don't touch any metal.

Not necessarily true.

http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_pls/vehicle_strike.html

According to the National Lightning Safety Institute:
Reported incidents and related injuries make it clear that a person inside a fully enclosed metal vehicle must not be touching metallic objects referenced to the outside of the car. Door and window handles, radio dials, CB microphones, gearshifts, steering wheels, and other inside-to-outside metal objects should be left alone during close-in lightning events. We suggest pulling off to the side of the road in a safe manner, turning on the emergency blinkers, turning off the engine, putting one's hands in one's lap, and waiting out the storm."



What if you're in a convoy?
 
2013-06-03 01:23:22 AM
eventhelosers:
The best thing to do is hide in the nearest body of water.

If you're serious, you're an idiot.
If you're joking, you should make that clear so some other idiot doesn't take your advice and get himself killed.

/notice my correct usage of "you're" and "your".
 
2013-06-03 01:29:08 AM

wademh: fst_creeper: BigRightRear: <snip>

Cars are safe to the extent that you are inside of a metal cage. The juice will flow on the outside of the cage and generally leave you safe. The rubber tires have nothing to do with it.



You are not pointing this at me are you?  Because my point was that 3 inches of rubber is nothing to a bolt that crosses a couple thousand feet of open air.  I even linked to Faraday's wiki page.

www.topgear.com
 
2013-06-03 01:31:12 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: pippi longstocking: Are you saying Americans are stupid and fascist? Since when?

Since Ottawa was annexed by New York.


You're mistaken. We don't want Ottawa. You take that back.

CSS: I was on my high school swim team briefly in freshman year, and there was a bad thunderstorm during practice one day. I expressed concern about being in the pool, as I had been taught for nearly a decade at that point that it was dangerous. The coach was basically an asshole to me as said to keep practicing.

Two years ago when participating in NaNoWriMo, I happened on this while researching a scene. Turns out my Girl Scout leaders were right all along and the coach should probably have been suspended at least for endangering us.
 
2013-06-03 01:37:46 AM

dogboy360: Touching metal in the car won't hurt you in a lightning strike. Lightning is a surface effect. A live wire laying across your car means don't touch any metal.

/no it is not the rubber tires that protect you in you car, it is the metal.


While it is a surface effect, you can model it as two capacitors that are very close together and connected with an inductor with the person touching it acting like a third LC.  Apply million volts on the outside and see what SPICE says.  If you can try model the air's increasing conductivity for extra credit but you may need a better model and faster computer for that one.

Tires today are slightly conductive anyway.
 
2013-06-03 01:46:03 AM

JungleBoogie: "Twenty two years ago on May 17th a tremendous thunderstorm rolled through Northwest DC and surrounding suburbs. Lightning struck spectators on the campus of St. Albans.

Some of the spectators ran to their car for cover and to some buildings close to the field; some however, took shelter under a large tree breaking the fundamental rule in lightning safety. You never want to make yourself or be near the tallest object in the landscape. Lightning struck that tree. The lightning traveled down the trunk and along the big roots that were exposed from the ground. Fred Laughlin was standing next to Noah Eig [one of the fatalities] under the tree."

WUSA9, Washington DC


Someone should have told them to Get Down.
 
2013-06-03 01:48:07 AM
I can't see why soccer mom was so outraged with the coach. He did her, and her son, a favor by removing them from his stupidity and the overblown importance he has of himself being a soccer coach.
 
2013-06-03 01:50:59 AM

edmo: Kid's sports is dominated by assholes? When did this happen?


Coaches have always been nearly-were's. Hence the dickery. This was 5 coaches dream decision-dispute, but the ref is a woman who thinks she can flount the rules and get away with it (on their watch, motherfarker? Not.Farking.Likely.)

"I ASKED: DO YOU BELIEVE YOURSELF TO BE ABOVE THE LAW AT THIS TIME?"
 
2013-06-03 01:56:24 AM

stu1-1: eventhelosers:
The best thing to do is hide in the nearest body of water.

If you're serious, you're an idiot.
If you're joking, you should make that clear so some other idiot doesn't take your advice and get himself killed.

/notice my correct usage of "you're" and "your".


I notice youare able to get my pointeds.  I was joking but yet I am an idiot.   Go figures'.
 
2013-06-03 02:01:01 AM

eventhelosers: IMHO....................

ROOTS ARE GROUNDED BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE GROUND?????  NO NO NO NO NO

Yes Yes Yes.   I suggest you google "electrical ground"

I'LL PARTIALLY BURY SOME BARE COPPER WIRE AND ENERGIZE IT, FEEL FREE TO GRAB THE OTHER END!
Copper is an electrical conductor,  a very good one.   Tree roots are not.

ROOTS CAN BE INTERTUBES FULL OF WATER YOU CAN DRIVE BIG ELECTRICITY TRUCKS THROUGH WITHOUT LOSING MUCH AMPERAGE
Intertubes?  Electricity trucks?   You just went into full-derp mode.

GOOGLE "CAMP WEBB LIGHTNING"

I did.   Nothing there says that the lightning was conducted through the tree roots.

MY LAZY ARSE HARDLY GOES OUTSIDE ANYMORE, SO I JUST UNPLUG THE LAPTOP.


Unplug it now please.
 
2013-06-03 02:05:45 AM

Firebelle: People are idiots. A few years ago, I was in Walmart (don't judge me) when a massive thunderstorm rolled in. The sky was dark and the rain was pouring in sheets as I checked out, so I ended up standing by the front windows with other shoppers waiting for it to let up. We all watched as a tall industrial tower across the street was struck by lightning twice in a row, with a collective "whoa!" from the little crowd each time.

And right in the middle of that, a manager appeared with a very worried-looking teen girl and a giant patio umbrella with a metal pole. He was ordering her to walk people to their cars with it, and when she tried to protest, he jumped down her throat about doing her job.

Several customers and I lit into him to basically say, "No, you farkwit, nobody is walking across the flat, open parking lot carrying a long metal pole in a lightning storm." We finally managed to get him to back off of his cunning plan, but he wasn't happy about it.


I will judge you....for not being a lemming in that situation (along with others). Good jerb in perhaps saving a few lives that fateful day!
 
2013-06-03 02:11:37 AM

powhound: Firebelle: People are idiots. A few years ago, I was in Walmart (don't judge me) when a massive thunderstorm rolled in. The sky was dark and the rain was pouring in sheets as I checked out, so I ended up standing by the front windows with other shoppers waiting for it to let up. We all watched as a tall industrial tower across the street was struck by lightning twice in a row, with a collective "whoa!" from the little crowd each time.

And right in the middle of that, a manager appeared with a very worried-looking teen girl and a giant patio umbrella with a metal pole. He was ordering her to walk people to their cars with it, and when she tried to protest, he jumped down her throat about doing her job.

Several customers and I lit into him to basically say, "No, you farkwit, nobody is walking across the flat, open parking lot carrying a long metal pole in a lightning storm." We finally managed to get him to back off of his cunning plan, but he wasn't happy about it.

I will judge you....for not being a lemming in that situation (along with others). Good jerb in perhaps saving a few lives that fateful day!


OTOH, he thwarted a fantastic Fark link.

Was this the Beverly Hills Walmart?  I have never found a Walmart manager, let alone had one offer to keep me dry on my way to my car.
 
2013-06-03 02:15:50 AM

Aigoo: Mom was also an idiot for standing around in an open field and not taking Junior straight to the car.


You assume Mom had a car available.

Dad could have dropped her and the kid off, they might have taken a bus, walked from home or carpooled with one of the other parents.
 
2013-06-03 02:16:00 AM

edmo: Kid's sports is dominated by assholes? When did this happen?


Last Thursday, in 1978.
 
2013-06-03 02:43:36 AM

BarkingUnicorn: powhound: Firebelle: People are idiots. A few years ago, I was in Walmart (don't judge me) when a massive thunderstorm rolled in. The sky was dark and the rain was pouring in sheets as I checked out, so I ended up standing by the front windows with other shoppers waiting for it to let up. We all watched as a tall industrial tower across the street was struck by lightning twice in a row, with a collective "whoa!" from the little crowd each time.

And right in the middle of that, a manager appeared with a very worried-looking teen girl and a giant patio umbrella with a metal pole. He was ordering her to walk people to their cars with it, and when she tried to protest, he jumped down her throat about doing her job.

Several customers and I lit into him to basically say, "No, you farkwit, nobody is walking across the flat, open parking lot carrying a long metal pole in a lightning storm." We finally managed to get him to back off of his cunning plan, but he wasn't happy about it.

I will judge you....for not being a lemming in that situation (along with others). Good jerb in perhaps saving a few lives that fateful day!

OTOH, he thwarted a fantastic Fark link.

Was this the Beverly Hills Walmart?  I have never found a Walmart manager, let alone had one offer to keep me dry on my way to my car.


Come on...do you really think that manager wanted anything less than to get those "unwashed masses" a good washing?
 
2013-06-03 02:47:39 AM

stu1-1: eventhelosers: IMHO....................

ROOTS ARE GROUNDED BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE GROUND?????  NO NO NO NO NO
Yes Yes Yes.   I suggest you google "electrical ground"

I'LL PARTIALLY BURY SOME BARE COPPER WIRE AND ENERGIZE IT, FEEL FREE TO GRAB THE OTHER END!
Copper is an electrical conductor,  a very good one.   Tree roots are not.

ROOTS CAN BE INTERTUBES FULL OF WATER YOU CAN DRIVE BIG ELECTRICITY TRUCKS THROUGH WITHOUT LOSING MUCH AMPERAGE
Intertubes?  Electricity trucks?   You just went into full-derp mode.

GOOGLE "CAMP WEBB LIGHTNING"
I did.   Nothing there says that the lightning was conducted through the tree roots.

MY LAZY ARSE HARDLY GOES OUTSIDE ANYMORE, SO I JUST UNPLUG THE LAPTOP.

Unplug it now please.


DER twee woots have waters enemum  have to spellz out for you,  me saw it first handed i grows up thare, gets backs to mai when you after yous had years of handz on electricalizing, you gotsta have a fancy diploma dontcha
 
2013-06-03 02:49:30 AM
Electricity, how does it work?
 
2013-06-03 02:58:03 AM
eventhelosers:

DER twee woots have waters enemum  have to spellz out for you,  me saw it first handed i grows up thare, gets backs to mai when you after yous had years of handz on electricalizing, you gotsta have a fancy diploma dontcha

yez I do.
I gotz 20 yeers exsperance on electricalizing. Fixin TVees an such.  I aslo dun 10 yeers puttin in satelite systems sos I nos awl about grounding.
 
2013-06-03 03:00:10 AM
here it bees in best engrishInfo-Facts & Myths
Here are some important facts about electricity. 
Basic Facts about electricity you should know ....
 

Electricity seeks the easiest and shortest path to the ground - when people or objects come too close to, or touch and electrical wire, they can become a part of an electrical circuit which can result in an instant flow of electricity through them to ground.

The flow of electricity through the human body can kill - less than one ampere of electricity can burn, severely injure or cause death.Electricity is fast - electricity travels at approximately 299,330 km per second. That leaves no room for mistakes - never put yourself into electricity's path. 

"conductors" conduct electricity readily and in large amounts - all metals, waters, humans and even non-metallic materials (trees, ropes etc.) can conduct electricity depending on moisture content and surface contamination - caution needs to be applied.

SOURCE
http://www.powerlinesafety.info/RightPanel-001.php

here it bees in best engrish
 
2013-06-03 03:01:22 AM

stu1-1: eventhelosers:

DER twee woots have waters enemum  have to spellz out for you,  me saw it first handed i grows up thare, gets backs to mai when you after yous had years of handz on electricalizing, you gotsta have a fancy diploma dontcha

yez I do.
I gotz 20 yeers exsperance on electricalizing. Fixin TVees an such.  I aslo dun 10 yeers puttin in satelite systems sos I nos awl about grounding.

OBKB

 
2013-06-03 03:02:50 AM

stu1-1: eventhelosers:

DER twee woots have waters enemum  have to spellz out for you,  me saw it first handed i grows up thare, gets backs to mai when you after yous had years of handz on electricalizing, you gotsta have a fancy diploma dontcha

yez I do.
I gotz 20 yeers exsperance on electricalizing. Fixin TVees an such.  I aslo dun 10 yeers puttin in satelite systems sos I nos awl about grounding.

BTW please call all your customer and tell them you didn't know what the hell you were doing, and they should have someone with a clue check your work

 
2013-06-03 03:07:29 AM

eventhelosers: stu1-1: eventhelosers:

DER twee woots have waters enemum  have to spellz out for you,  me saw it first handed i grows up thare, gets backs to mai when you after yous had years of handz on electricalizing, you gotsta have a fancy diploma dontcha

yez I do.
I gotz 20 yeers exsperance on electricalizing. Fixin TVees an such.  I aslo dun 10 yeers puttin in satelite systems sos I nos awl about grounding.

BTW please call all your customer and tell them you didn't know what the hell you were doing, and they should have someone with a clue check your work


Actually, my work was so good I was promoted to quality control.  I went out and inspected everyone else's work....  including making sure the systems were grounded.
 
2013-06-03 03:26:28 AM

BigRightRear: Ishkur: You're fine in the middle of a flat field during a lighting storm.

Just keep your feet together so you stay grounded.

/that is, if you don't have a car

It will can only hit you if you  are grounded. Rubber tires make good insulators.


You don't say.
www.flightglobal.com
 
2013-06-03 03:26:48 AM

Spyder11791: Tried posting on their facebook page but they seem to be deleting anything slightly negative.


There are several posts about the incident on their Facebook -

(search  South Keys Greenboro Community Association)
 
2013-06-03 03:34:47 AM

SpaceBison: BigRightRear: Ishkur: You're fine in the middle of a flat field during a lighting storm.

Just keep your feet together so you stay grounded.

/that is, if you don't have a car

It will can only hit you if you  are grounded. Rubber tires make good insulators.

You don't say.
[www.flightglobal.com image 560x313]


Rubber shoes. Nice and thick!
 
2013-06-03 03:39:58 AM
To  eventhelosers:
The point you're trying to make is that lightning will conduct through tree roots.
I'm not disputing that, but lightning will not jump back up out of the ground from the roots once it's there.
There are cases where people and animals have been struck just by standing near a tree that's been hit.
In those cases, the lightning conducted through wet grass or standing water on it's way to ground.

If you can find me one case where someone or some animal was struck by lightning from tree roots,
I will vote "SMART" on every post you've made here.
 
2013-06-03 04:32:34 AM

Ishkur: You're fine in the middle of a flat field during a lighting storm.

Just keep your feet together so you stay grounded.

/that is, if you don't have a car


people like you get people killed by giving bad advice.

/shut up if you don't know what you're talking about.

If you find yourself in a flat field with a lightning storm around you, crouch low and find a ditch to lay in if you can. if not lay down. electricity WILL take the path of least resistance. if you are the tallest point around, congrats, it's you.
 
2013-06-03 05:12:41 AM
Nothing having to do with soccer is rational.
This story includes soccer.
/Divide by zero.
 
2013-06-03 05:42:50 AM

J Noble Daggett: Here's a tip. If you feel a tingle, hair start standing up, move. It gives you a small chance of being injured less. But don't stick your tongue out as you run.


As I recall, if you feel a tingle you should immediately lie flat on the ground to earth yourself.
 
2013-06-03 06:10:17 AM

gaslight: "they kept asking 'are you above the law'?"

Meaning, are you above the laws of physics? No! And neither are you. What will happen is that because there are more of these idiots, in the aftermath and ridicule, it will somehow be implied that it was 'bad' of her to hold this minority opinion because most of this group disagreed with. Christ. These people farking vote.


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The mob mentality, despite being wrong is what is frightening.
 
2013-06-03 06:13:25 AM
It would of been poetic justice if they all were killed by lightening except one. Good for her!!
 
2013-06-03 06:18:49 AM
Roll an imaginary 60-meter sphere across the landscape and look at where it touches.

what-if.xkcd.com

To figure out where lightning is likely to hit, you roll the imaginary 60-meter sphere across the landscape (for safety reasons, do not use a real sphere). This sphere climbs up over trees and buildings without passing through anything (or rolling it up). Places the surface makes contact - treetops, fenceposts, and golfers in fields - are potential lightning targets.

This means you can calculate a lightning "shadow" around an object of height h on a flat surface.

 http://what-if.xkcd.com/16/
 
2013-06-03 06:23:21 AM

fknra: If you find yourself in a flat field with a lightning storm around you, crouch low and find a ditch to lay in if you can. if not lay down. electricity WILL take the path of least resistance. if you are the tallest point around, congrats, it's you.


I learned in high school that it's better to crouch on your feet (shoes) than lie down.

"After the current hits the tall object, it flows out into the ground. If you're touching the ground nearby, it can travel through your body." (link above)
 
2013-06-03 06:51:14 AM

Ilmarinen: Roll an imaginary 60-meter sphere across the landscape and look at where it touches.

[what-if.xkcd.com image 375x268]

To figure out where lightning is likely to hit, you roll the imaginary 60-meter sphere across the landscape (for safety reasons, do not use a real sphere). This sphere climbs up over trees and buildings without passing through anything (or rolling it up). Places the surface makes contact - treetops, fenceposts, and golfers in fields - are potential lightning targets.

This means you can calculate a lightning "shadow" around an object of height h on a flat surface.

 http://what-if.xkcd.com/16/


Fark, you mean I have been carrying around this 60m sphere for nothing?
 
2013-06-03 07:22:10 AM

Gunny Walker: Quantum Apostrophe: OtherLittleGuy: basemetal: Minus the threat of a tornado, why wouldn't you go to your car during a lightning storm?

/the coaches will catch hell

In the name of Daniel Faraday, THIS!

Who's that?

This guy.
[i226.photobucket.com image 300x400]

I think he meant Louis Farrakhan instead.

 
2013-06-03 07:23:39 AM

OtherLittleGuy: Gunny Walker: Quantum Apostrophe: OtherLittleGuy: basemetal: Minus the threat of a tornado, why wouldn't you go to your car during a lightning storm?

/the coaches will catch hell

In the name of Daniel Faraday, THIS!

Who's that?

This guy.
[i226.photobucket.com image 300x400]

I think he meant Louis Farrakhan instead.


Take two:

i101.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-03 07:25:45 AM
She said the coach also told her the field was private because the team rented it from the city, and she was therefore breaking the law by refusing their direction.

"Next think you know I have four or five of them (coaches) around me," she said. "None of them were listening, they kept asking 'are you above the law'?"


What the fark is it with pathetic little officials and their Stalinist complexes. Farking soccer coaches are police now? Damn the world is full of stupid.
 
2013-06-03 07:27:19 AM
Lightning.

Not lightEning.

Lightning.

/twitch
 
2013-06-03 07:45:39 AM
deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com
Sheltering myself with a large piece of sheet metal, I ran for cover under the tallest tree i could find.
 
2013-06-03 08:12:08 AM
More a case of
rantchick.com
 
2013-06-03 08:22:52 AM
sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk
 
2013-06-03 08:54:33 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Was looking for examples of  people under trees who were struck by lightning when I found this  one about a guy on a motorcycle who took a bolt through his penis.

Doctors said there would be "no lasting effects."


except for some exciting new super powers
 
2013-06-03 09:09:04 AM
In a situation like this, wouldn't everyone be safest running to their soccer vans? Or even that smelly, wooden, public bathroom that every park has that usually has a trough in addition to one urinal?
 
2013-06-03 09:30:23 AM

stu1-1: To  eventhelosers:
The point you're trying to make is that lightning will conduct through tree roots.
I'm not disputing that, but lightning will not jump back up out of the ground from the roots once it's there.
There are cases where people and animals have been struck just by standing near a tree that's been hit.
In those cases, the lightning conducted through wet grass or standing water on it's way to ground.

If you can find me one case where someone or some animal was struck by lightning from tree roots,
I will vote "SMART" on every post you've made here.


http://www.esdjournal.com/articles/Lightning/Fowler/sc%20fowler.htm

www.ces.ncsu.edu

I observed the scene (days later) of the Camp Webb strike.  Google "lightning through roots" and take of your pick if you are still not satisfied.  I apologize for the personal attack, the aliens weren't very gentle with the probe last time and my hemorrhoids are killing me.
 
2013-06-03 09:57:24 AM

eventhelosers: stu1-1: To  eventhelosers:
The point you're trying to make is that lightning will conduct through tree roots.
I'm not disputing that, but lightning will not jump back up out of the ground from the roots once it's there.
There are cases where people and animals have been struck just by standing near a tree that's been hit.
In those cases, the lightning conducted through wet grass or standing water on it's way to ground.

If you can find me one case where someone or some animal was struck by lightning from tree roots,
I will vote "SMART" on every post you've made here.

http://www.esdjournal.com/articles/Lightning/Fowler/sc%20fowler.htm

[www.ces.ncsu.edu image 404x270]

I observed the scene (days later) of the Camp Webb strike.  Google "lightning through roots" and take of your pick if you are still not satisfied.  I apologize for the personal attack, the aliens weren't very gentle with the probe last time and my hemorrhoids are killing me.


OK...   you win.
No need to apologize, no offense was taken.
when people piss me off I just send my friends to their house disguised as aliens.
Commencing voting.   *sigh*
 
2013-06-03 10:34:33 AM

gibbon1: Definitely. Googling for 'killed by falling tree' results in pages of news stories. Leads one to believe that deaths and injuries of that nature are common and under reported. Also falling power lines are not uncommon either. Once saw a power line fall to the ground. Bunch of sparks, then the nothing, minute later more sparks as a breaker reset. General rule, stay away as a fallen power line can be dead one moment and live the next and power lines are not insulated.


Yup.  After a breaker trips on a big wire they wait a little bit and reset it and see what happens.  The thing is the usual cause of tripping is some animal that got too close and the remains of the crispy critter usually fall away, clearing the short.

However, if the wires are down you have a dead wire that suddenly goes hot for a moment until the breakers trip again.
 
2013-06-03 11:27:08 AM

J Noble Daggett: Tents may actually increase the likelihood of lightning hitting
that spot if they are higher than nearby objects.


You need to work on your reading comprehension, Sparky. I didn't say we were safe. I said the tents were the safest available shelter given the circumstances. We were 40 kilometers away from anything genuinely useful.

The only advantage the tents offered us is that we were lying down and dry in a clearing somewhat away from the woods that otherwise totally surrounded us, and about a hundred yards away from the tree that actually got hit and flash-steamed. We found largish splinters that actually reached the edge of the clearing, and more than thirty yards away from the ex-tree.
 
2013-06-03 12:07:24 PM
The worst lightning strike I ever saw up close and personal struck a tenth of a mile from me.  The lightning struck the corner of a barb wire fence holding a herd of cattle, and the electricity ran down the entire length of the fence.  Every cow within 10 feet of that fence dropped dead.  Even the ones a full mile away where two separate pastures connected to the same fence posts at one point.  I think the total was something like 30 cattle dead from that one strike.
 
2013-06-03 12:35:36 PM
Why would the stupid biatch have wanted to remain on a soccer field during a thunderstorm anyway?
 
2013-06-03 12:52:19 PM
Their Facebook says no one was asked to stand under trees.

We need the mounties to investigate!

https://www.facebook.com/ottawaskgca
 
2013-06-03 02:54:43 PM

Ilmarinen: Roll an imaginary 60-meter sphere across the landscape and look at where it touches.

[what-if.xkcd.com image 375x268]

To figure out where lightning is likely to hit, you roll the imaginary 60-meter sphere across the landscape (for safety reasons, do not use a real sphere). This sphere climbs up over trees and buildings without passing through anything (or rolling it up). Places the surface makes contact - treetops, fenceposts, and golfers in fields - are potential lightning targets.

This means you can calculate a lightning "shadow" around an object of height h on a flat surface.

 http://what-if.xkcd.com/16/


Came for this, leaving satisfied...
 
2013-06-03 04:42:44 PM
 
2013-06-03 05:10:07 PM
Not sure why she'd want her kid to play in that league now anyway. It is apparently run by farking idiots.

Isn't "Don't take shelter under a tree during a storm" the kind of shiat you learn when you're a little kid?
 
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