Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Ahram Online)   In your face: War torn Syria issues Turkey travel warning to its citizens after Turkish protests in the last week. Apparently, the two countries do not like each other very much   (english.ahram.org.eg) divider line 121
    More: Ironic, Turkey, Turkish, travel warning, information minister, Prime Minister of Turkey, Syrian refugees  
•       •       •

1251 clicks; posted to Main » on 02 Jun 2013 at 7:25 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



121 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-06-02 05:12:01 PM  
Finally a thread about the Turkey protests goes green, and it's this? Oookay. I'll take whatever I guess.
 
2013-06-02 06:34:26 PM  
If anyone is curious and has questions, ask away. I have friends on the ground in Istanbul, Izmir, Ankara, and Adana and am getting a lot of reports.

Live blog: Link

Photos and links: Link
 
2013-06-02 06:37:37 PM  
Also, a live stream though much of it is in Turkish: Link
 
2013-06-02 06:41:36 PM  
thanks for the links, coco ebert. hope your friends stay safe
 
2013-06-02 06:52:36 PM  

21-7-b: thanks for the links, coco ebert. hope your friends stay safe


Thanks! So far, so good. Though many of them have had to run into apartment buildings. Luckily most people are unlocking their doors and offering refuge.
 
2013-06-02 06:53:24 PM  

coco ebert: 21-7-b: thanks for the links, coco ebert. hope your friends stay safe

Thanks! So far, so good. Though many of them have had to run into apartment buildings. Luckily most people are unlocking their doors and offering refuge.


To escape tear gas and rubber bullets, that is. No random running into apartment buildings for no reason whatsoever. :)
 
2013-06-02 07:12:56 PM  
www.commondreams.org

That's a helluva lot of people.

i.imgur.com

Uh oh, shiat just got REAL.

More pics.
 
2013-06-02 07:20:02 PM  
shiat is blowing the fark up in Turkey, I'm surprised that there haven't been more threads about this here. This is not as bad as Iran or as big as Egypt, but these protests are massive and they are getting bigger and bigger.

Just yesterday nearly 450 people were injured, (including 1 dead and a dozen in very critical state) from being shot with tear-gas grenades guns.

The farking riot cops are firing those directly at people's heads.
 
2013-06-02 07:30:34 PM  
Those people seem so excitable.
 
2013-06-02 07:32:38 PM  
www.cardotcom.com

I know of 3 guys that can take care of this.
 
2013-06-02 07:35:08 PM  
Well...no one really likes Syria (except Russia).   And no one really likes Turkey.

So who cares.  Let Syrians kill Syrians +Hizbullah, because that is win-win.
If someone wanders into Lebanon or Turkey to kill people....well so be it.
 
2013-06-02 07:35:17 PM  
Hooooly shiat, the protesters have taken over an excavator and are right now chasing police vehicles with it

fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net

shiat's cray, yo.
 
2013-06-02 07:44:59 PM  
Turkey warning?

www.randallburkey.com
 
2013-06-02 07:47:24 PM  

Tatsuma: Hooooly shiat, the protesters have taken over an excavator and are right now chasing police vehicles with it

[fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net image 524x412]

shiat's cray, yo.


Yeah, there's a leftist soccer fan club of Besiktas called Carsi that have already run off police from a district. They took over that bulldozer. Lol! There's a bit about them in this New Yorker piece: Link
 
2013-06-02 07:48:29 PM  

fusillade762: [www.commondreams.org image 600x800]

That's a helluva lot of people.

[i.imgur.com image 600x450]

Uh oh, shiat just got REAL.

More pics.


Heh, and that first photo isn't even of Istanbul! It's of Eskisehir.
 
2013-06-02 07:48:52 PM  
Well I hope this won't lead to the fall of the most secular, advanced, and democratic government in the Muslim World.
 
2013-06-02 07:49:16 PM  
Kingston Trio on line 1, subby.
 
2013-06-02 07:49:20 PM  

fusillade762: [www.commondreams.org image 600x800]

That's a helluva lot of people.

[i.imgur.com image 600x450]

Uh oh, shiat just got REAL.

More pics.


Those are phenomenal.

This one, right here, though, speaks volumes.

i.imgur.com

It also serves as a lesson to our own Occupy pansies, by demonstrating what real courage in the face of state oppression looks like.  That pretty lady right there, in her little black dress and sandals, has more stones than the entirety of the US Occupy organization.

That is what it looks like, folks.  It's water cannons, tear gas, and rubber bullets.  If you aren't willing to stand up in the face of that, you have already lost.  If you quiescently leave when the cops tell you too (I'm looking at you, Seattle) then you're part of the problem.
 
2013-06-02 07:49:57 PM  

Tatsuma: shiat is blowing the fark up in Turkey, I'm surprised that there haven't been more threads about this here. This is not as bad as Iran or as big as Egypt, but these protests are massive and they are getting bigger and bigger.

Just yesterday nearly 450 people were injured, (including 1 dead and a dozen in very critical state) from being shot with tear-gas grenades guns.

The farking riot cops are firing those directly at people's heads.


I've seen plenty of links submitted (and I submitted one myself), so I'm a little disappointed in Fark, particularly because they were so involved in the Iran protests. Perhaps I need the type of pull you have. ;)
 
2013-06-02 07:51:04 PM  
Waiting for live at the scene reports from Les Nessman, five-time winner of the "Buckeye Newshawk Award".

barfblog.com
 
2013-06-02 07:51:25 PM  
They sure must love that park.
 
2013-06-02 07:51:38 PM  

Tatsuma: shiat is blowing the fark up in Turkey, I'm surprised that there haven't been more threads about this here. This is not as bad as Iran or as big as Egypt, but these protests are massive and they are getting bigger and bigger.

Just yesterday nearly 450 people were injured, (including 1 dead and a dozen in very critical state) from being shot with tear-gas grenades guns.

The farking riot cops are firing those directly at people's heads.


i.imgur.com
Ayup.

i.imgur.com

They closed Starbucks. It must be pretty serious.
 
2013-06-02 07:53:02 PM  
Makes me sad seing this, I used to love pulling into Turkey, I cant remember the name of the port (its been over 30 years) but it was a bowl shaped harbor with the old city kinda climbing up a cliff with the new city on top, anyway we would go ashore and bargain with the locals, bartering was a almost full contact sport with them, newbs always thought we were about to get into a knock down fight with the street vendors. we would stand nose to nose, calling each other every name in the book while screaming out prices untl we finally agreed on one, at which time the vendor became your best friend, all thoughts of the insults we had just spent the last 5 minutes hurling at each other forgotten. On the other end of the spectrum were the higher class shops in the new city up on top, there you would be seated in air conditioned comfort, served with some of the strongest tea you have ever tasted (in these little cups that looked like enlognated shot glasses with wire basket handles) while they paraded their goods in front of you.
To see it coming apart like this is just sad.

/sorry getting old, doing the stream of conscious thing...
 
2013-06-02 07:54:00 PM  

coco ebert: I've seen plenty of links submitted (and I submitted one myself), so I'm a little disappointed in Fark, particularly because they were so involved in the Iran protests. Perhaps I need the type of pull you have. ;)


I have not submitted any, so I guess I am slightly guilty. Also I've not really worked on a comprehensive explanation and details but if things keep blowing up I'll start being more active and work on getting more stuff out.
 
2013-06-02 07:55:53 PM  
What's the political breakdown here? Secularist protesting against Islamists? Have the AK been that oppressive? Does the economy have a lot to do with it? I kind of missed how this went from a local protest to A Big Deal. The Alevis have been quite active recently in my neck of the woods. PKK too.
 
2013-06-02 07:55:59 PM  

coco ebert: Heh, and that first photo isn't even of Istanbul!


Not Constantinople?
 
2013-06-02 07:56:11 PM  
In case anyone didn't see it, this was floating around tumblr yesterday. (some violence, iffy NSFW) Basically an account of the day in pictures. Looks like the link coco put up had more pictures though.
 
2013-06-02 07:56:14 PM  
Istanbul isn't asleep right now: ">Link
 
2013-06-02 07:56:38 PM  
Riot cops decided to fire a barrage of tear gas at the guy

i.imgur.com

farking scum.
 
2013-06-02 07:57:03 PM  

TheJoe03: Well I hope this won't lead to the fall of the most secular, advanced, and democratic government in the Muslim World.


Well, Erdogan is residing over a very anti-secular government, and most of the protesters are secular.
 
2013-06-02 07:58:15 PM  

netcentric: Well...no one really likes Syria (except Russia).   And no one really likes Turkey.

So who cares.  Let Syrians kill Syrians +Hizbullah, because that is win-win.
If someone wanders into Lebanon or Turkey to kill people....well so be it.


I kinda like Turkey, probably about the only islamic country I do like.  I'm pretty sure its about to get a hellova lot more fundamentalist if this shiat continues though.  As for anybody in that region "wandering into" Turkey.....that would be monumentally stupid.  Turkey could handle any of its neighbors, maybe even all of them at once.
 
2013-06-02 07:59:37 PM  

Bad_Seed: What's the political breakdown here? Secularist protesting against Islamists? Have the AK been that oppressive? Does the economy have a lot to do with it? I kind of missed how this went from a local protest to A Big Deal. The Alevis have been quite active recently in my neck of the woods. PKK too.


Mostly seculars against Islamists. The APK and Erdogan have been chipping away at secular reforms in the last 5 years, but they've been going at it in overdrive in the last year or so.

For example, Erdogan recently said that anyone who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic, and that the national drink is raki (anis-based alcohol) but rather ayran (yogurt-based one). The economy has been getting better, but mostly for the Islamists.

It's not the first protest, nor the first one that turned badly, this month. This is just basically the people reaching the 'We can't deal with this shiat anymore' point.
 
2013-06-02 08:01:36 PM  

coco ebert: I've seen plenty of links submitted (and I submitted one myself), so I'm a little disappointed in Fark, particularly because they were so involved in the Iran protests. Perhaps I need the type of pull you have. ;)


Nobody has the pull he has.  I think he's a troll account started by drews wife.
 
2013-06-02 08:03:03 PM  

coco ebert: Well, Erdogan is residing over a very anti-secular government, and most of the protesters are secular


Oh, well then go protesters!
 
2013-06-02 08:04:02 PM  

Rent Party: fusillade762: [www.commondreams.org image 600x800]

That's a helluva lot of people.

[i.imgur.com image 600x450]

Uh oh, shiat just got REAL.

More pics.

Those are phenomenal.

This one, right here, though, speaks volumes.

[i.imgur.com image 520x340]

It also serves as a lesson to our own Occupy pansies, by demonstrating what real courage in the face of state oppression looks like.  That pretty lady right there, in her little black dress and sandals, has more stones than the entirety of the US Occupy organization.

That is what it looks like, folks.  It's water cannons, tear gas, and rubber bullets.  If you aren't willing to stand up in the face of that, you have already lost.  If you quiescently leave when the cops tell you too (I'm looking at you, Seattle) then you're part of the problem.


Man, the ladies of the Turkish protests have been phenomenal!! Just some examples:

news.bbcimg.co.uk

www.cp24.com

www.washingtonpost.com (this one might be a guy!!)

metrouk2.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-02 08:04:07 PM  

netcentric: Well...no one really likes Syria (except Russia).   And no one really likes Turkey.

So who cares.  Let Syrians kill Syrians +Hizbullah, because that is win-win.
If someone wanders into Lebanon or Turkey to kill people....well so be it.


I like Turkey.  Their food is farking excellent.
 
2013-06-02 08:04:56 PM  

orclover: I kinda like Turkey, probably about the only islamic country I do like.


Morocco is pretty cool.
 
2013-06-02 08:07:20 PM  

Tatsuma: It's not the first protest, nor the first one that turned badly, this month. This is just basically the people reaching the 'We can't deal with this shiat anymore' point.


I like how this started over the "redevelopment" of a park into a shopping mall. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seemed like a backlash against neo-liberalism as much as anything. I can imagine David Harvey nodding his head watching it.
 
2013-06-02 08:09:16 PM  

Bad_Seed: I like how this started over the "redevelopment" of a park into a shopping mall. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seemed like a backlash against neo-liberalism as much as anything. I can imagine David Harvey nodding his head watching it.


Yeah you are. The park thing did had something to do with it, but the second it turned violent it became about Erdogan. As I said, there had been like half a dozen major protests in the last four months. This was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
 
2013-06-02 08:12:01 PM  

Bad_Seed: What's the political breakdown here? Secularist protesting against Islamists? Have the AK been that oppressive? Does the economy have a lot to do with it? I kind of missed how this went from a local protest to A Big Deal. The Alevis have been quite active recently in my neck of the woods. PKK too.


So, here's the thing, someone upthread said something like, "That's a lot of protesting over a park" but it's about much more. There is a whole host of things that have been bothering a good half of the country (mostly secularists but a diverse group of leftists, nationalists, and moderately religious people) since Erdogan and his party came to power ten years ago. It has reached a tipping point, and the violent attack of peaceful protesters by the police allowed it to snowball.

One is related to the attacks on secularism that Tatsuma mentioned- curbing alcohol use, trying to outlaw abortion, clampdowns on public displays of affection, and so on.

Another is unchecked, unsustainable development- building with little thought to the environment, working class people, cultural heritage, and other factors.

People are unhappy with the suppression of journalists (we have one of the highest rates of incarceration of journalists), politically active people, minorities such as Kurds and Alevis, and even military leaders.

Yet another issue relates to his governing style- he is a bully, unwilling to compromise on ANYTHING and ramming through legislation willy-nilly. Just yesterday he said something to the protesters along the lines of, "oh, you have tens of thousands of people? Well I have a million I could bring out to take you on". I mean, can you imagine Obama saying that to Tea Partiers? There is no sense that he governs ALL of Turkey. He has written off whole segments of Turkish society (who, to be fair, often were not so nice when they were in power).

Finally, there is the foreign policy issue. People are not happy with Erdogan's meddling in Syria and a couple of weeks ago 20 Turks were killed in a bombing thought to be committed by Syrian forces. This has led to widespread unhappiness.
 
2013-06-02 08:13:41 PM  

Bad_Seed: Tatsuma: It's not the first protest, nor the first one that turned badly, this month. This is just basically the people reaching the 'We can't deal with this shiat anymore' point.

I like how this started over the "redevelopment" of a park into a shopping mall. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seemed like a backlash against neo-liberalism as much as anything. I can imagine David Harvey nodding his head watching it.


Yes, this is part of it too.
 
2013-06-02 08:14:39 PM  

Pribar: Makes me sad seing this, I used to love pulling into Turkey, I cant remember the name of the port (its been over 30 years) but it was a bowl shaped harbor with the old city kinda climbing up a cliff with the new city on top, anyway we would go ashore and bargain with the locals, bartering was a almost full contact sport with them, newbs always thought we were about to get into a knock down fight with the street vendors. we would stand nose to nose, calling each other every name in the book while screaming out prices untl we finally agreed on one, at which time the vendor became your best friend, all thoughts of the insults we had just spent the last 5 minutes hurling at each other forgotten. On the other end of the spectrum were the higher class shops in the new city up on top, there you would be seated in air conditioned comfort, served with some of the strongest tea you have ever tasted (in these little cups that looked like enlognated shot glasses with wire basket handles) while they paraded their goods in front of you.
To see it coming apart like this is just sad.

/sorry getting old, doing the stream of conscious thing...


I loved this story. Definitely a CSB. :)

Are you thinking of Izmir perhaps?
 
2013-06-02 08:16:52 PM  

Tatsuma: coco ebert: I've seen plenty of links submitted (and I submitted one myself), so I'm a little disappointed in Fark, particularly because they were so involved in the Iran protests. Perhaps I need the type of pull you have. ;)

I have not submitted any, so I guess I am slightly guilty. Also I've not really worked on a comprehensive explanation and details but if things keep blowing up I'll start being more active and work on getting more stuff out.


Thanks Tatsuma.

antron: coco ebert: Heh, and that first photo isn't even of Istanbul!

Not Constantinople?


I was waiting for this reference! ;)
 
2013-06-02 08:16:56 PM  

coco ebert: Another is unchecked, unsustainable development- building with little thought to the environment, working class people, cultural heritage, and other factors.


I love how in the last two years a lot of historical and cultural building 'mysteriously' caught on fire, letting Erdogan-linked entrepreneurs build over what would have been previously considered national heritage.
 
2013-06-02 08:17:54 PM  
created a badge for thread

i.imgur.com

bastards cut off "country" with the logo. it's ruined
 
2013-06-02 08:19:58 PM  

Tatsuma: coco ebert: Another is unchecked, unsustainable development- building with little thought to the environment, working class people, cultural heritage, and other factors.

I love how in the last two years a lot of historical and cultural building 'mysteriously' caught on fire, letting Erdogan-linked entrepreneurs build over what would have been previously considered national heritage.


Ugh, they're like Bloomberg but 100 times worse when it comes to development. And really, don't we have ENOUGH shopping malls and mosques? Seriously, it's a beautiful analogy to what they really care about: religious piety and neoliberal capital.
 
2013-06-02 08:20:42 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: created a badge for thread

[i.imgur.com image 400x300]

bastards cut off "country" with the logo. it's ruined


I love it! :D
 
2013-06-02 08:23:25 PM  

coco ebert: So, here's the thing, someone upthread said something like, "That's a lot of protesting over a park" but it's about much more.


Yeah that was me. That was a joke.

There is a whole host of things that have been bothering a good half of the country (mostly secularists but a diverse group of leftists, nationalists, and moderately religious people) since Erdogan and his party came to power ten years ago. It has reached a tipping point, and the violent attack of peaceful protesters by the police allowed it to snowball.

Ten years is a long time. Apart from the semi-free media, Turkey is a proper democracy, right? It's slightly odd seeing Egypt/Iran style protests in a country with the option for electoral change. I remember the army weren't particularity fond of the government when they came to power, but the police seem to be quite loyal for now.
 
2013-06-02 08:26:38 PM  

coco ebert: Ugh, they're like Bloomberg but 100 times worse when it comes to development. And really, don't we have ENOUGH shopping malls and mosques? Seriously, it's a beautiful analogy to what they really care about: religious piety and neoliberal capital.


Talking of asshole mayors, at least Bloomberg doesn't use the police to find the info of those who criticize him over Twitter, then tweets their private information to the rest of the country and insulting them, like the mayor of Ankara.

And that's when he doesn't get them arrested in the first place.
 
2013-06-02 08:31:14 PM  

Bad_Seed: coco ebert: So, here's the thing, someone upthread said something like, "That's a lot of protesting over a park" but it's about much more.

Yeah that was me. That was a joke.

There is a whole host of things that have been bothering a good half of the country (mostly secularists but a diverse group of leftists, nationalists, and moderately religious people) since Erdogan and his party came to power ten years ago. It has reached a tipping point, and the violent attack of peaceful protesters by the police allowed it to snowball.

Ten years is a long time. Apart from the semi-free media, Turkey is a proper democracy, right? It's slightly odd seeing Egypt/Iran style protests in a country with the option for electoral change. I remember the army weren't particularity fond of the government when they came to power, but the police seem to be quite loyal for now.


Even I was willing to give AKP a chance initially, though I never voted for them. I'm pretty much a diehard liberal. Yet, I have to admit that they brought stability to the economy (which is booming, mostly for a particular class of people). They were also willing to allow Kurds more rights than any other previous government. But Erdogan has truly gotten much worse over the last several years. He has grown increasingly authoritarian and unwilling to acknowledge the desire of half of the country.

He's neutered the military, btw. A large percentage of generals are languishing in jails right now.
 
Displayed 50 of 121 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter





In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report