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2013-06-02 02:05:33 PM
You have no idea how Intel names it's processors, do you?
 
2013-06-02 02:07:06 PM
I can Haswell?
 
2013-06-02 02:09:57 PM

cretinbob: You have no idea how Intel names it's processors, do you?


After towns would be a good guess.  Do I win anything?
 
2013-06-02 03:46:22 PM

cretinbob: You have no idea how Intel names it's processors, do you?


You didn't read the article, did you?
 
2013-06-02 04:31:44 PM
FTFA:"Get them to set up a plant if they'd like, though I don't know if they'd have any water," said Scott Briggs, whose family operated the town's grain elevator for 42 years.

Is it wrong how impressed I am that someone in that town knows you need water to make silicon chips?

I kind of doubt 1/65 people in the US population know that let alone 1of 65 residents in a random farming town
 
2013-06-02 06:02:07 PM
What?!?  Molalla got ROBBED!  Russ Hampsten, you Philistine!
 
xcv
2013-06-02 06:30:23 PM

zedster: FTFA:"Get them to set up a plant if they'd like, though I don't know if they'd have any water," said Scott Briggs, whose family operated the town's grain elevator for 42 years.

Is it wrong how impressed I am that someone in that town knows you need water to make silicon chips?

I kind of doubt 1/65 people in the US population know that let alone 1of 65 residents in a random farming town


Maybe he thinks you grow them in fields like potatoes for regular chips.
 
2013-06-02 06:38:41 PM

xcv: zedster: FTFA:"Get them to set up a plant if they'd like, though I don't know if they'd have any water," said Scott Briggs, whose family operated the town's grain elevator for 42 years.

Is it wrong how impressed I am that someone in that town knows you need water to make silicon chips?

I kind of doubt 1/65 people in the US population know that let alone 1of 65 residents in a random farming town

Maybe he thinks you grow them in fields like potatoes for regular chips.


You can guard your rams with all the firewalls you want but no water is a quick way to dehydrate them which makes them weak and susceptible to viruses.  I hear when someone catches bluetooth it makes silly looking shiat grow out of their ears.
 
2013-06-02 06:40:57 PM

BumpInTheNight: You can guard your rams with all the firewalls you want but no water is a quick way to dehydrate them which makes them weak and susceptible to viruses. I hear when someone catches bluetooth it makes silly looking shiat grow out of their ears.


...and they start talking to themselves...
 
2013-06-02 06:47:26 PM
If you use a word that you can find on a map, then you can't get sued over it.
 
2013-06-02 06:50:25 PM
Intel needs to start using Welsh town names:

"I overclocked by new Intel Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch processor to 6Ghz!"
 
2013-06-02 06:54:08 PM

BumpInTheNight: BumpInTheNight: You can guard your rams with all the firewalls you want but no water is a quick way to dehydrate them which makes them weak and susceptible to viruses. I hear when someone catches bluetooth it makes silly looking shiat grow out of their ears.

...and they start talking to themselves...


When I was growing up, if you saw a person walking down the street, having a conversation with an invisible individual, it meant you were simply looking at a crazy person.

Today, you have to check their ear, and even the presence of a Bluetooth device is, by itself, not enough to rule out insanity.
 
2013-06-02 07:01:04 PM
zedster:
I kind of doubt 1/65 people in the US population know that let alone 1of 65 residents in a random farming town

Manufacturing most things requires water in some quantities.  So it's fairly logical that a fab plant would require water.

But yes, it's kinda impressive he'd recognise lack of large quantities of pure water might be a problem for them.
 
2013-06-02 07:17:04 PM

nmemkha: Intel needs to start using Welsh town names:

"I overclocked by new Intel Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch processor to 6Ghz!"


I see you have a cold.

You seem to have a blocked nose and to have sneezed during your post.
 
2013-06-02 07:20:53 PM
Now I'm two generations behind. But I'm not playing any games at this time, so my Q9650 will soldier on. I'll have had this P5Q Pro motherboard for five years this fall. Asus boards have been good ones in my experience. I have a P55T2P4 from 1997 that still works. It's hopelessly obsolete, but it still works.
 
2013-06-02 07:28:19 PM
Drove from California to Seattle about 6 mos ago and it was really cool to see signs for all the various towns, especially in Oregon. I knew the code names but previously had no idea where they came from.
 
2013-06-02 07:31:58 PM

cretinbob: You have no idea how Intel names it's processors, do you?


You have no idea how to use the apostrophe, do you?
 
2013-06-02 07:33:00 PM
And the best part.. Five less pins! So yay for motherboard replacements for everyone with an 1155 socket who wants to upgrade to Haswell!  For FIVE LESS GOD DAMN PINS!
 
2013-06-02 07:37:50 PM

styckx: And the best part.. Five less pins! So yay for motherboard replacements for everyone with an 1155 socket who wants to upgrade to Haswell!  For FIVE LESS GOD DAMN PINS!


Hah. How about their last upgrade when they went from 1156 to 1155 pins? That was frustrating.
 
2013-06-02 07:45:39 PM

ActionJoe: styckx: And the best part.. Five less pins! So yay for motherboard replacements for everyone with an 1155 socket who wants to upgrade to Haswell!  For FIVE LESS GOD DAMN PINS!

Hah. How about their last upgrade when they went from 1156 to 1155 pins? That was frustrating.


Exactly.

Looks like another efficiency upgrade anyway. No more cores, still in the 3.8Ghz range.

I know 4Ghz is sort of the inefficiency barrier for chips, but I'm surprised to see they are still only pushing quad cores. Still no real advancement in chipsets again. I thought we would see then turn to lower clocks but doing more work

My 2600k will live another year. Just not worth upgrading for a small fraction of an improvement you *might* see.
 
2013-06-02 07:47:40 PM

styckx: And the best part.. Five less pins! So yay for motherboard replacements for everyone with an 1155 socket who wants to upgrade to Haswell!  For FIVE LESS GOD DAMN PINS!




Remember Socket 370? When they changed the pin out when they went from Coppermine to Tualatin cores? So you couldn't upgrade your Coppermine motherboard with a Tualatin CPU? They usually made up some sort of BS to cover this sort of thing, but people figured out that some creative rewiring could make a Tualatin CPU work on a Coppermine motherboard. There were even inexpensive socket adapters you could buy. Basically, they also sell chipsets, so if you have to buy a new motherboard, more money for them. Think about what shenanigans they would pull if they had no competition at all.
 
2013-06-02 07:48:14 PM
If you have a processor made in the last 3-5 years, a SSD or new video card will probably give you better bang for your buck.
 
2013-06-02 07:56:12 PM

Repo Man: styckx: And the best part.. Five less pins! So yay for motherboard replacements for everyone with an 1155 socket who wants to upgrade to Haswell!  For FIVE LESS GOD DAMN PINS!



Remember Socket 370? When they changed the pin out when they went from Coppermine to Tualatin cores? So you couldn't upgrade your Coppermine motherboard with a Tualatin CPU? They usually made up some sort of BS to cover this sort of thing, but people figured out that some creative rewiring could make a Tualatin CPU work on a Coppermine motherboard. There were even inexpensive socket adapters you could buy. Basically, they also sell chipsets, so if you have to buy a new motherboard, more money for them. Think about what shenanigans they would pull if they had no competition at all.


that last sentence keeps me up at night. not really, but it does factor into my purchases.
 
2013-06-02 07:56:57 PM

Repo Man: styckx: And the best part.. Five less pins! So yay for motherboard replacements for everyone with an 1155 socket who wants to upgrade to Haswell!  For FIVE LESS GOD DAMN PINS!

Remember Socket 370? When they changed the pin out when they went from Coppermine to Tualatin cores? So you couldn't upgrade your Coppermine motherboard with a Tualatin CPU? They usually made up some sort of BS to cover this sort of thing, but people figured out that some creative rewiring could make a Tualatin CPU work on a Coppermine motherboard. There were even inexpensive socket adapters you could buy. Basically, they also sell chipsets, so if you have to buy a new motherboard, more money for them. Think about what shenanigans they would pull if they had no competition at all.


Yup.. There was a lot of `rewiring' tricks back in the day.. I remember unlocking the multiplier on an Athlon XP chip by dropping a piece of wire in the socket to bridge two pins.  Good times..
 
2013-06-02 08:00:17 PM
It's sort of like the HAL/IBM thing in 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY. . If you go up one letter in the alphabet from Haswell you get Ibtxfkk, which... still doesn't make any sense.
 
2013-06-02 08:10:47 PM

dready zim: nmemkha: Intel needs to start using Welsh town names:

"I overclocked by new Intel Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch processor to 6Ghz!"

I see you have a cold.

You seem to have a blocked nose and to have sneezed during your post.


Looks like he bazooka barfed to me.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-02 08:18:52 PM
Attorneys for the late rocker Frank Zappa helped put an end to that practice after reaching out to the company about a potential trademark violation

Should have called the next processor BHM.
 
2013-06-02 08:24:56 PM

styckx: Repo Man: styckx: And the best part.. Five less pins! So yay for motherboard replacements for everyone with an 1155 socket who wants to upgrade to Haswell!  For FIVE LESS GOD DAMN PINS!

Remember Socket 370? When they changed the pin out when they went from Coppermine to Tualatin cores? So you couldn't upgrade your Coppermine motherboard with a Tualatin CPU? They usually made up some sort of BS to cover this sort of thing, but people figured out that some creative rewiring could make a Tualatin CPU work on a Coppermine motherboard. There were even inexpensive socket adapters you could buy. Basically, they also sell chipsets, so if you have to buy a new motherboard, more money for them. Think about what shenanigans they would pull if they had no competition at all.

Yup.. There was a lot of `rewiring' tricks back in the day.. I remember unlocking the multiplier on an Athlon XP chip by dropping a piece of wire in the socket to bridge two pins.  Good times..


I seem to remember unlocking a barton chip with a pencil, this must have been back in 2003-2004 timeframe.

Current comp is only a year old, I was going to overclock it until I realized that despite a fairly aggressive fan setting I've never had the fans kick into high gear (or for that matter ramp up enough to get noticeable), so I haven't bothered yet.

I figure I'll OC in two years when I might need it, no point in doing it now.
 
2013-06-02 08:34:10 PM

zedster: Is it wrong how impressed I am that someone in that town knows you need water to make silicon chips?


It might simply be the knowledge that every house/office/factory needs water for the inhabitants/workers.
 
2013-06-02 08:35:28 PM

styckx: And the best part.. Five less pins! So yay for motherboard replacements for everyone with an 1155 socket who wants to upgrade to Haswell!  For FIVE LESS GOD DAMN PINS!


Meanwhile the performance and feature difference between a Sandybridge and a Haswell is so minimal I can't see a compelling reason why anyone would in the first place.  But yah, that's a dick move none the less.
 
2013-06-02 08:41:57 PM

BumpInTheNight: Meanwhile the performance and feature difference between a Sandybridge and a Haswell is so minimal I can't see a compelling reason why anyone would in the first place.


Haswell's low wattage and graphics make Sandy Bridge obsolete.

Not enough for most current users to upgrade (especially people who buy whole computers, not components).

But the improvements are substantial.
 
2013-06-02 08:46:10 PM

jaytkay: BumpInTheNight: Meanwhile the performance and feature difference between a Sandybridge and a Haswell is so minimal I can't see a compelling reason why anyone would in the first place.

Haswell's low wattage and graphics make Sandy Bridge obsolete.

Not enough for most current users to upgrade (especially people who buy whole computers, not components).

But the improvements are substantial.


But not that huge an upgrade if you all ready have an Ivy Bridge?
 
2013-06-02 09:35:18 PM

jaytkay: BumpInTheNight: Meanwhile the performance and feature difference between a Sandybridge and a Haswell is so minimal I can't see a compelling reason why anyone would in the first place.

Haswell's low wattage and graphics make Sandy Bridge obsolete.

Not enough for most current users to upgrade (especially people who buy whole computers, not components).

But the improvements are substantial.


You'd have to be gunning your CPU at full tilt an awful long time to make the power savings of a Haswell worth the purchase price of the chip and a motherboard, like a really really really long time.  I have no reason to suggest someone would want to buy a Sandybridge over a Haswell if they were building something new, but I don't think there's enough compelling reasons to swap a Sandybridge out for a Haswell.  While the HD4600 (damnit, why didn't they just call it the HD5000 like they were supposed to release) is better then the Sandy's HD3000, we're still talking 3d rendering capabilities on par with the $50 entry level Nvidia or ATI cards.  While nifty its all within the CPU, its still nothing to really write home about, especially buying it to replace an HD3000 capable chip.
 
2013-06-02 10:00:55 PM
I have a Sandybridge computer and won't upgrade for Haswell or anything really for another 5 years at least. Already had my rig for 2 1/2 yrs now. The thing runs the same like I just bought it yesterday. I have over a 100 processes at startup and yet my booting time has change from 30 secs to 35 in the past 2 1/2 yrs. I'm sure if I played around more I can get the boot time to under 20 sec. Just too lazy to do too much work to shave 10 secs. After effects CS 5 loads in 7 secs flat. Did I mention I love my computer?

The specs, though the board is an Asus P8P67 Pro and a Planar 27" monitor. Spend about $1200-1300 over the course of 2 1/2 yrs for the whole thing with rebates, deals, price mistakes,etc.. Original working assembly cost $550.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12mn6
 
2013-06-02 10:02:33 PM
I had been laying awake at night worrying about what they would name the new processor.....
 
2013-06-02 10:14:10 PM

roflmaonow: I have a Sandybridge computer and won't upgrade for Haswell or anything really for another 5 years at least. Already had my rig for 2 1/2 yrs now. The thing runs the same like I just bought it yesterday. I have over a 100 processes at startup and yet my booting time has change from 30 secs to 35 in the past 2 1/2 yrs. I'm sure if I played around more I can get the boot time to under 20 sec. Just too lazy to do too much work to shave 10 secs. After effects CS 5 loads in 7 secs flat. Did I mention I love my computer?

The specs, though the board is an Asus P8P67 Pro and a Planar 27" monitor. Spend about $1200-1300 over the course of 2 1/2 yrs for the whole thing with rebates, deals, price mistakes,etc.. Original working assembly cost $550.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12mn6


*fist bump* the P8P67 board is a beast, sportin the WS revolution myself :)  I also agree I don't see myself going onto another CPU/board combo for several years at this point, the 2600K OCs to 4.8Ghz without much effort and the 4x PCIE slots on the board give me glorious expansion range for whatever the hell is coming down the road.  The Haswell is nice & all but not worth rebuying a chip and a board compared to what the sandy did vs my previous E8500 wolfdale.  Basically something would have to hit 5Ghz+ on air at 8 cores or so for me to think about it, that or gaming companies finally get a really really good handle on how to thread their products to take advantage of more cores.
 
2013-06-02 10:37:27 PM
BumpInTheNight:
*fist bump* the P8P67 board is a beast, sportin the WS revolution myself :)  I also agree I don't see myself going onto another CPU/board combo for several years at this point, the 2600K OCs to 4.8Ghz without much effort and the 4x PCIE slots on the board give me glorious expansion range for whatever the hell is coming down the road.  The Haswell is nice & all but not worth rebuying a chip and a board compared to what the sandy did vs my previous E8500 wolfdale.  Basically something would have to hit 5Ghz+ on air at 8 cores or so for me to think about it, that or gaming companies finally get a really really good handle on how to thread their products to take advantage of more cores.

Yup exactly, games play great on my current rig, latest game I have is BF3 & ME3 and they play and look great on ultra quality. As do the Crysis games. I've OCed mine to 4.2 Ghz on air and its really great. I have a bunch of VMs running, do some video editing as a hobby, all running quite amazingly well. I came from a E4400 core2duo that I had for about 5 years and this build pretty much blows that away by leaps and bounds galore.
 
2013-06-02 11:00:10 PM

bingethinker: cretinbob: You have no idea how Intel names it's processors, do you?

You didn't read the article, did you?


Yes, I did.
They typically go with geopgraphical locations in Oregon. Nice to see them expand.
 
2013-06-03 12:09:28 AM

jaytkay: zedster: Is it wrong how impressed I am that someone in that town knows you need water to make silicon chips?

It might simply be the knowledge that every house/office/factory needs water for the inhabitants/workers.


This.

Due to water rights issues in Colorado, hooking up to the city water system (even for something simple like the restroom for your small business) can be a challenge.  Some places aren't even allowed to hook up at all, so they have to truck their water in.
 
2013-06-03 12:24:24 AM
I noticed this was coming out about a week ago as I was pricing out a new box. Love when my new-box-building needs happen right on a hardware refresh.

I was hoping that AMD would actually do something this year. Like 22nm upgrades for the A series apu and 8 core zambezi's, but so far it looks like they are just giving up, rolling over and dying. I guess they are more interested in consoles, which is probably wise from their perspective.

Would love to see something like a new a10 release powering the next generation of mac-mini's or something wacky.
 
2013-06-03 03:51:20 AM
Manzanita shakes its tiny fist in rage.
 
2013-06-03 08:25:01 AM

BumpInTheNight: roflmaonow: I have a Sandybridge computer and won't upgrade for Haswell or anything really for another 5 years at least. Already had my rig for 2 1/2 yrs now. The thing runs the same like I just bought it yesterday. I have over a 100 processes at startup and yet my booting time has change from 30 secs to 35 in the past 2 1/2 yrs. I'm sure if I played around more I can get the boot time to under 20 sec. Just too lazy to do too much work to shave 10 secs. After effects CS 5 loads in 7 secs flat. Did I mention I love my computer?

The specs, though the board is an Asus P8P67 Pro and a Planar 27" monitor. Spend about $1200-1300 over the course of 2 1/2 yrs for the whole thing with rebates, deals, price mistakes,etc.. Original working assembly cost $550.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12mn6

*fist bump* the P8P67 board is a beast, sportin the WS revolution myself :)  I also agree I don't see myself going onto another CPU/board combo for several years at this point, the 2600K OCs to 4.8Ghz without much effort and the 4x PCIE slots on the board give me glorious expansion range for whatever the hell is coming down the road.  The Haswell is nice & all but not worth rebuying a chip and a board compared to what the sandy did vs my previous E8500 wolfdale.  Basically something would have to hit 5Ghz+ on air at 8 cores or so for me to think about it, that or gaming companies finally get a really really good handle on how to thread their products to take advantage of more cores.


Yeah, I'm pretty happy with the P8P67 Deluxe, though I wish the SATA headers faced upward rather than to the side.  My Sandy Bridge CPU is powerful enough that I won't have to upgrade it for a while, but the GTX 470 might get switched out in a year or two.
 
2013-06-03 09:00:07 AM

ActionJoe: styckx: And the best part.. Five less pins! So yay for motherboard replacements for everyone with an 1155 socket who wants to upgrade to Haswell!  For FIVE LESS GOD DAMN PINS!

Hah. How about their last upgrade when they went from 1156 to 1155 pins? That was frustrating.


This is why Altera needs to get into the x86 game... multi family common footprints.
 
2013-06-03 09:14:23 AM

State_College_Arsonist: BumpInTheNight: roflmaonow: I have a Sandybridge computer and won't upgrade for Haswell or anything really for another 5 years at least. Already had my rig for 2 1/2 yrs now. The thing runs the same like I just bought it yesterday. I have over a 100 processes at startup and yet my booting time has change from 30 secs to 35 in the past 2 1/2 yrs. I'm sure if I played around more I can get the boot time to under 20 sec. Just too lazy to do too much work to shave 10 secs. After effects CS 5 loads in 7 secs flat. Did I mention I love my computer?

The specs, though the board is an Asus P8P67 Pro and a Planar 27" monitor. Spend about $1200-1300 over the course of 2 1/2 yrs for the whole thing with rebates, deals, price mistakes,etc.. Original working assembly cost $550.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12mn6

*fist bump* the P8P67 board is a beast, sportin the WS revolution myself :)  I also agree I don't see myself going onto another CPU/board combo for several years at this point, the 2600K OCs to 4.8Ghz without much effort and the 4x PCIE slots on the board give me glorious expansion range for whatever the hell is coming down the road.  The Haswell is nice & all but not worth rebuying a chip and a board compared to what the sandy did vs my previous E8500 wolfdale.  Basically something would have to hit 5Ghz+ on air at 8 cores or so for me to think about it, that or gaming companies finally get a really really good handle on how to thread their products to take advantage of more cores.

Yeah, I'm pretty happy with the P8P67 Deluxe, though I wish the SATA headers faced upward rather than to the side.  My Sandy Bridge CPU is powerful enough that I won't have to upgrade it for a while, but the GTX 470 might get switched out in a year or two.


I had bought the Deluxe version first and unfortunately had to RMA it and replaced it with the P67 Pro. The deluxe was a beast of a board as well and I wished I could find a replacement for that same board.

One thing for sure is that these ASUS boards handle overclocking extremely well. Before the sandybridge recall for the faulty SATA chipset I had a Gigabyte board and I really had no complaints except that I could only overclock it by OCing each core manually in the bios. If I tried to up the base clock to more than 99.9 MHz the whole board would crash. The asus board could OC in so many ways, it was great fun to meddle with it.

I do wish that I had gotten a Z68 board instead as the I would've liked to utilize the quicksync 2.0 feature of the HD 3000 for transcoding. With handbrake finally supporting quicksync it would've been a great utilization of that feature for me.

Im looking at currently prices on newegg for the i5 4670K (the unlocked version) and currently its starting from $250. I remember the i5 2500k starting at $210ish and many times came with a coupon or a combo board made the price cheaper. look like Intel are steadily bumping up the starting price again of new released CPUs. I dont blame them really, I mean AMD doesnt seem to have anything comparable coming out to lower those prices.
 
2013-06-03 11:29:19 AM

roflmaonow: Before the sandybridge recall for the faulty SATA chipset


Not trying to nitpick, but it was the Cougarpoint chipset with a possible faulty secondary SATA controller.  I work in the fab that made them.  A good portion of the line had to be scrapped and a new lithography reticle shipped down from Oregon and put to in place to resolve the issue.  We had to ramp the shiat out of production for the next few months to meet original release dates.

Did get a $3000 bonus and a T-shirt for my efforts.
 
2013-06-03 11:41:15 AM

Calehedron: roflmaonow: Before the sandybridge recall for the faulty SATA chipset

Not trying to nitpick, but it was the Cougarpoint chipset with a possible faulty secondary SATA controller.  I work in the fab that made them.  A good portion of the line had to be scrapped and a new lithography reticle shipped down from Oregon and put to in place to resolve the issue.  We had to ramp the shiat out of production for the next few months to meet original release dates.

Did get a $3000 bonus and a T-shirt for my efforts.


Sorry thats what i meant, thats awesome that you got to work on the fab. I'm always so intrigued by these complex designs and their implementations. I mean the CPUs have like a billion transistors on them and that die is so small. technology baffles me sometimes.
 
2013-06-03 12:29:01 PM

roflmaonow: Sorry thats what i meant, thats awesome that you got to work on the fab. I'm always so intrigued by these complex designs and their implementations. I mean the CPUs have like a billion transistors on them and that die is so small. technology baffles me sometimes.


It is a cool job overall.  There are times I hate it, times I love it.  It is pretty amazing how small things have gotten but the flipside to that is how much more clean and precise the machines have to be and that makes my job tougher.  Every maintenance procedure has to be done with intense attention to detail.  There is no close or good enough.  Everything has to be done exactly the same way, every time, to achieve the same results.

Right now I am using one of the cool benefits of the job, the sabbatical.  Eight straight weeks off paid outside of vacation time for every seven years of service.  I needed the break.
 
2013-06-03 12:33:18 PM
Ha! Swell.
 
2013-06-03 01:48:03 PM

Repo Man: Now I'm two generations behind. But I'm not playing any games at this time, so my Q9650 will soldier on. I'll have had this P5Q Pro motherboard for five years this fall. Asus boards have been good ones in my experience. I have a P55T2P4 from 1997 that still works. It's hopelessly obsolete, but it still works.


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2013-06-03 02:01:15 PM
I've written a number of programs that are used with seismic recording systems that are named after towns in New Mexico. Examples are Willard, Pecos, and Cimarron.
 
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