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2004-01-04 04:19:53 AM  
what is wrong with the words "Past Life" ?

/reminds self that MSNBC/NBC/MS stated that we are looking for "Past Life"

/With the pics rolling in, hope MSNBC/NBC/MS are proved wrong in their words...
 
2004-01-04 04:22:05 AM  
They will find Beagle 2 tommorow. The problem was that it landed on Christmas. This little kid found it, and told his mom. She called 9-11, and when the cops came out - they told her to put it in the garage until someone from the Martian Space Agency can come out after the Holidays. She won't let him play with it either because it might have germs.
 
2004-01-04 04:31:00 AM  
Anyone know how long light takes one-way to get from Mars to Earth?
 
2004-01-04 04:38:06 AM  
aphexcoil3 - depends on how fast you're going doesn't it.

you mean, for the transmissions or for the journey?
 
2004-01-04 04:39:47 AM  
Woohoo! expensive pitures of dirt

*goes outside and discovers a new species of insect under a rock*
 
2004-01-04 05:00:24 AM  
My name is on the cd on the lander too! I registered my entire family. I also registered Douglas Quaid just for a goof and had it turned into a poster I have in my room. "Get your ass to Mars"



/bigger nerd
 
2004-01-04 05:00:59 AM  
aphexcoil3 - depends on how fast you're going doesn't it.

Last I heard, the speed of light was constant. I was just wondering how many minutes/seconds the trip took between the two planets.
 
2004-01-04 05:02:52 AM  
aphexcoil3: 19 minutes.
 
2004-01-04 05:03:58 AM  
Divide distance to mars by the speed of light for length of time. I'm to lazy.
 
2004-01-04 05:04:17 AM  
today Mars, tomarrow Uranus
 
2004-01-04 05:05:21 AM  
Now Ishkur was motivated. Nice job.
 
2004-01-04 05:11:39 AM  
No, wait...that's the time of c from the sun to Mars.

From Earth to Mars, one-way, is.....4.5 minutes, I think.
 
2004-01-04 05:15:24 AM  
No, that can't be right either. It really depends. Mars has a really elliptical orbit and its position relative to earth can vary as much as 200 million miles...

So I would say a command from NASA beamed to the mars probe would take anywhere from 5-23 minutes, depending on where mars is.
 
2004-01-04 05:19:53 AM  
Penis Mightier - holy crap, I'd forgotten about that, my name's up there, too. Cool.
 
2004-01-04 05:26:07 AM  
I thought the Beagle 2 was a promising mission, until I heard that Blur had composed the landing confirmation tones. :)
 
2004-01-04 05:35:27 AM  
Based on current position, expect somewhere around 4 minutes for just the datastream to get to Mars. If there's any handshaking to be done in the communications protocol or if any retries are necessary, start multiplying. Relaying from the orbiter will also add time.

And that, of course, is for a single packet. The length of the message and the bit rate / baud will also figure into the overall time for a "command" to be sent.
 
2004-01-04 05:43:45 AM  
Should also mention that space communications are generally done with forward error correction... they include enough data inline that errors can not only be detected, but also corrected on the fly.

If you want to geek out on protocols, google up "forward error correction" or "reed solomon coding". Or just accept that it works. :)
 
2004-01-04 05:56:30 AM  
WOOHOO!

I hope the Beagle 2 crawls out of the crater if landed in, and it joined later this month by Opportunity!

GO PEOPLE OF THE EARTH!
 
2004-01-04 06:10:45 AM  
There's one thing that's been bugging me...one of the pictures being published is one of rover being taken from a top view. Now, obviously, that would mean there's some camera attached to some mast or something...yet...there's no mast in the picture. You can see the entire contents of the rover sitting in its deflated airbags...yet there's nothing coming out of it where a second camera could be attached. Am I not seeing something here??
 
2004-01-04 06:34:03 AM  
In some of the earlier pictures, you can see a cylindrical thing sitting horizontally on top of the rover. That's the mast with the stereoscopic cameras, unextended. Later, it raised up and took the panoramas and whatever else. The reason the mast doesn't see itself is because it doesn't look down.

As far as the pictures taken with the mast down, the rover either has another camera mounted somewhere, or the pictures were taken from the same cameras, just with the mast unextended.
 
2004-01-04 06:37:48 AM  
Yay Humans!

We did it folks. One more tiny step on the long road up.
 
2004-01-04 07:07:29 AM  
2004-01-04 05:59:04 AM mikemoto


This is one more reason not to vote for that asshat Dean. He would redirect NASA money for God knows what kind of "social" program.


Dean is a doctor - one would hope that he'd have some awareness of the need for basic research

Bush on the other hand proposed a smaller budget than congress for NASA
 
2004-01-04 07:23:43 AM  
Do Martians have DVD players?

Too bad Beagle 2 died. We coulda duked it out Robot Wars style. Gotta settle for the cheap forfeit win.
 
2004-01-04 07:26:42 AM  
This is my colorized version of the panorama (click for large image):
 
2004-01-04 07:47:05 AM  
What pisses me off is that NASA has to compete with crap like Prescription drug $$ for funding. where does one write to fund NASA DIRECTLY? Lets get around congress and start paying these dead-sexy pencil-necked geeks to get our red-white-and-blue asses to Mars.

Speaking of which ; What's the general Opinion of Zubrin's "Mars Direct" proposals? I found it fascinating that you *could* go to Mars w/o having to go "Cadallac"
 
2004-01-04 08:05:47 AM  
Zubrin's general ideas are good, although I think Mars Direct is a bit too optimistic. Realistically, we'd probably need at least $50 billion to go to Mars (compared to Zubrin's $20 billion). Still, that's way less than the $450 billion estimate that NASA came up with for Bush Sr.

Oh, and BTW, the JPL website with the high-res photos that you will be seeing in tomorrow's paper is http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/index.html
 
2004-01-04 08:06:29 AM  
 
2004-01-04 08:35:39 AM  
Zansstuff : try using the target value in your link tag ; it lets us all look at it in *another* window :-)
 
2004-01-04 08:36:32 AM  
Just have to put my two cents in, regarding NASA funding.
Science funding is the only government funding that actually produces something of value and long term benefit.(NASA, NIH, DARPA, etc) Even if the return on investment is 1 cent on the dollar(and it has got to be way more than that) it is still more than all of the social crap we as a country blow our money on.(short term benefit) In fact I would be hard pressed not to say that every dollar spend on social programs eventually generates a negative return. Becuase it simply begets more social programs and or abuses of such.
 
2004-01-04 09:05:29 AM  
aphexcoil3 - depends on how fast you're going doesn't it.

Last I heard, the speed of light was constant. I was just wondering how many minutes/seconds the trip took between the two planets.
 
2004-01-04 09:14:58 AM  
Er... Here in Europe we don't need to go Mars. Heh.
 
2004-01-04 09:22:03 AM  
 
2004-01-04 09:34:36 AM  
They called ahead to the martians this time and told them not to disable their probe. Otherwise the martians would have been all over it, just like a car in the ghetto.
 
2004-01-04 09:36:13 AM  
14:55.....14:56.....14:57.......
 
2004-01-04 09:45:13 AM  
the european one cost 1/10th of the price, so they got at least 10 more tries before they surrender!!!
 
2004-01-04 09:47:08 AM  
The two missions were different in many ways

A key one being that one worked and the other didn't.
 
2004-01-04 10:40:15 AM  
redbo
Sweet.. impromptu photoshop contest.
Give me a high res picture and 2 minutes to paste in Arkbar!
I mean.. um.. come up with something really witty and original.


I was thinking of something like the Domo-kun chasing the rover. "Please, think of the rovers."

Er, I mean I was thinking of something witty and original, too.
 
2004-01-04 10:43:09 AM  
The ESA's unilateral invasion of Mars has been checked! International balance is restored.

I hope there were huge speakers hanging from the bottom of Spirit blasting Grand Funk Railroad's "We're An American Band" during the approach!

I say we name the landing spot "Star-Spangled Over-Achievers Point" and send our craft to rend Bungle2 limb from limb, like an X-rated version of "Robot Wars".

(just trying to maintain the stereotype)
 
2004-01-04 11:22:24 AM  
Aren't all threads on Fark pretty much a 'flag waving' circle-jerk of nationalistic oneupsmanship?

Exact same sort of tribalism that got us into this mess in the first place.

They don't see it.

Rah rah! Hooray for our side!

...whatever.
 
2004-01-04 11:30:54 AM  

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!! !
 
2004-01-04 11:43:14 AM  
WoodyTX - It's OK, they have subway.
 
2004-01-04 11:59:44 AM  
aphexcoil3 Last I heard, the speed of light was constant. I was just wondering how many minutes/seconds the trip took between the two planets.

The distance between the planets varies greatly.
 
2004-01-04 12:04:48 PM  
before being too hard on our Euro-friends for losing their space probe, we might recall the time that us Americans smashed our probe into Mars because some asshat *used the wrong units* in a calculation.

/can't we all be brothers?
 
2004-01-04 12:08:52 PM  
I'm sick of mars already. What planet is next?
 
2004-01-04 01:50:05 PM  
 
2004-01-04 01:56:01 PM  
FoldedSpace
Haha, now when the aliens find that thing they'll come after you first.
/got nothing
 
2004-01-04 02:00:05 PM  
FoldedSpace
Haha, now when the aliens find that thing they'll come after you first.
/got nothing
 
2004-01-04 03:07:46 PM  
1996 Soviets launch Mars 96, which fails after launch and falls back into Earth's atmosphere.

Soviets?
 
2004-01-04 04:16:25 PM  
The aliens DVD players aren't region-free, so I'm not worried...
 
2004-01-04 05:28:19 PM  
~O~

WE GET SIGNAL. MAIN SCREEN TURN ON.

~O~
 
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